Ukash warning

[tel_house]

I decide that I wanted to try a RB so went to a corner shop I have never been in before and will never go in again to by a £10 UKASH voucher.

To my surprise the woman behind the counter asked what I wanted it for, so being taken off guard I said, "I need it to book a prostitute on the Internet who I want to fuck up the  arse after she has sucked my cock." No I didn't, only joking. But her question did take me aback. I said I wanted to buy something on ebay, I then got a barrage of questions like   - there are lots of scams about - are you sure its genuine -  are you sure - are you really sure - we have to ask because there has been a lot of scams about.

After some quick thinking I said that its only £10 and I could have paid by paypal but my wife changed the password and messed it up and we are waiting to get a new password but I wanted the item straight away so I suggested UKASH and they agreed.

So be ready to answer the questions when you get asked.

[myothernameis]

I decide that I wanted to try a RB so went to a corner shop I have never been in before and will never go in again to by a £10 UKASH voucher.

To my surprise the woman behind the counter asked what I wanted it for, so being taken off guard I said, "I need it to book a prostitute on the Internet who I want to fuck up the  arse after she has sucked my cock." No I didn't, only joking. But her question did take me aback. I said I wanted to buy something on ebay, I then got a barrage of questions like   - there are lots of scams about - are you sure its genuine -  are you sure - are you really sure - we have to ask because there has been a lot of scams about.

After some quick thinking I said that its only £10 and I could have paid by paypal but my wife changed the password and messed it up and we are waiting to get a new password but I wanted the item straight away so I suggested UKASH and they agreed.

So be ready to answer the questions when you get asked.

I would just tell them, its none of your business what I do with the voucher, or joke your going to buy some drugs 

[Stealthshagger]

The easiest is to always answer that you are buying something ( a hobby model from Poland, for example) from a new site, and you always take this precaution the first few times after you got conned once.

[Stealthshagger]

I would just tell them, its none of your business what I do with the voucher, or joke your going to buy some drugs 

Some are more nosey than others, but Id guess sellers are aware of their use in schemes. In scandinavia and germany it was the way the transported and cleaned money in big deals until restrictions were tightened. They used to use 100 euro and 500 eurp pre paids as currency. Looking at the card you cant tell it is topped up, and they are vastly easier to move than cash in large amounts. There are no sniffer dogs for cards. Also you can do it anonymously, without the serial numbers on cash. You can also launder online very easily with the cards. Moving the money internationally would be very easy, especially through fake storefronts. It then enters the system fast, no travel expense and it has entered the legal money circuit. Almost no risk and hard to prove.

[Ali Katt]

If they're nosey tell them you'll take your business elsewhere. They have no reason to ask, tell them you need it for online poker or bingo.

[smiths]

I decide that I wanted to try a RB so went to a corner shop I have never been in before and will never go in again to by a £10 UKASH voucher.

To my surprise the woman behind the counter asked what I wanted it for, so being taken off guard I said, "I need it to book a prostitute on the Internet who I want to fuck up the  arse after she has sucked my cock." No I didn't, only joking. But her question did take me aback. I said I wanted to buy something on ebay, I then got a barrage of questions like   - there are lots of scams about - are you sure its genuine -  are you sure - are you really sure - we have to ask because there has been a lot of scams about.

After some quick thinking I said that its only £10 and I could have paid by paypal but my wife changed the password and messed it up and we are waiting to get a new password but I wanted the item straight away so I suggested UKASH and they agreed.

So be ready to answer the questions when you get asked.

I would of said thats my business, not yours.

[vorian]

Sorry, I would have told them to go forth and multiply. Cheeky cow, no way she has been told to ask those questions.

[Johny Stone]

I tell them is for an online game, which I actually play sometimes
No more questions after that

[k]

I decide that I wanted to try a RB so went to a corner shop I have never been in before and will never go in again to by a £10 UKASH voucher.

To my surprise the woman behind the counter asked what I wanted it for, so being taken off guard I said, "I need it to book a prostitute on the Internet who I want to fuck up the  arse after she has sucked my cock." No I didn't, only joking. But her question did take me aback. I said I wanted to buy something on ebay, I then got a barrage of questions like   - there are lots of scams about - are you sure its genuine -  are you sure - are you really sure - we have to ask because there has been a lot of scams about.

After some quick thinking I said that its only £10 and I could have paid by paypal but my wife changed the password and messed it up and we are waiting to get a new password but I wanted the item straight away so I suggested UKASH and they agreed.

So be ready to answer the questions when you get asked.

This woman: was she attractive?


Thinking about it, if she was, I think I would be inclined to say something line "It's to book a date with someone."  If she asks more questions I would be very tempted to ask whether she would like to watch or join in. 

Then, every week I would go back there to buy more UKASH vouchers.

[kefcseries]

I then got a barrage of questions like   - there are lots of scams about - are you sure its genuine -  are you sure - are you really sure - we have to ask because there has been a lot of scams about.

She's talking bullshit. I've bought Ukash plenty of times and the only question I've been asked is how much do I want.

She's taking the piss, it's your money. Tell her to go fuck herself.   

[kefcseries]

That being said, she may have just been looking out for you;

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[pianodave]

I used to buy hundreds of pounds of ukash a week for legitimate reasons. After a few weeks I was banned for life from buying ukash and my picutre circulated to all their retailers    They are very jumpy.

[Corky]

Ukash has been subject to a large amount of fraud. They instruct the retailers to be vigilant and ask questions to satisfy themselves that the purchaser isn't under some kind of duress, or falling victim to a scam like the one posted by kefcseries.

Unfortunately some shop assistants get the total wrong idea about using their common sense and seem to think they have been given Police duties, actually ending up grilling the customers.

I've even had transactions blocked and had to answer questions on the phone (at the till!) to Ukash security. They really do go overboard.

For £10 though - that level of grilling is ridiculous.

To save getting a grilling in the shops you can buy Ukash online;

becharge.co.uk

If you buy amounts over £20 you need to verify your identity with them.

Once you've made your purchase you just get a Ukash code like you do in the shops.

[JV547845]

But then it's not anonymous, albeit harder to track you.  Can't you just go to a different shop?  I've never had any trouble.  the online gaming excuse sounds best but I could also just say I'm donating to a leftwing charity (or even just TLC) and don't want it on my bank statement.  Noone wants to stop someone else from charitably doing charity giving generously blah blah because  charity.

[tel_house]

This woman: was she attractive?

Unfortunately not, middle aged short plump asian woman, not my type but I'm sure someone on UKP would fancy her.

As I said earlier I have no intention of every going back to that corner shop as it was some miles from where I live.

[squeezebox]

But then it's not anonymous, albeit harder to track you.  Can't you just go to a different shop?  I've never had any trouble.  the online gaming excuse sounds best but I could also just say I'm donating to a leftwing charity (or even just TLC) and don't want it on my bank statement.  Noone wants to stop someone else from charitably doing charity giving generously blah blah because  charity.

Sounds as though they track for money laundering purposes.

All cash transacted and cash payment facilities are being steered that way.

Casinos can track you.
Betting shop's can track you. (still ways around this)
U-Kash staff can track you.

[JV547845]

Casinos want a credit card and a name and dress and photo id potentially.  Do betting shops make you fill something in to collect your winnings? 

U-Kash staff can track you.

U-Kash on the other hand can connect my AW account to a throw away email address connected to a punting phone.  Anything more than that and I'd have to be an enemy of the state or under criminal investigation, but it's more than enough to hide my habit from credit records, the odd WG who loses it and future girlfriends and/or wives.

[kefcseries]

Sounds as though they track for money laundering purposes.

All cash transacted and cash payment facilities are being steered that way.

Casinos can track you.
Betting shop's can track you. (still ways around this)
U-Kash staff can track you.

Being tracked my be a concern, but I would advise everyone against using their credit card on AW for other reasons.

I too was curious about reverse bookings and used my credit card to buy credits. A few hours later my bank was ringing me, asked me a bunch of security questions then said there had been "suspicious activity" detected on my account. They had already cancelled my card and I had to wait a few days for a new one to arrive.

They wouldn't tell me exactly what, so I don't know if it's AW themselves that are flagged as suspicious or if my details had been compromised.

[smiths]

Being tracked my be a concern, but I would advise everyone against using their credit card on AW for other reasons.

I too was curious about reverse bookings and used my credit card to buy credits. A few hours later my bank was ringing me, asked me a bunch of security questions then said there had been "suspicious activity" detected on my account. They had already cancelled my card and I had to wait a few days for a new one to arrive.

They wouldn't tell me exactly what, so I don't know if it's AW themselves that are flagged as suspicious or if my details had been compromised.

Indeed, using my card on a site run by proven low life scumbags, that wont be happening in this lifetime.

[Ali Katt]

There was a scam going round, but it was a phone scammer targeting shops asking them to print off vouchers and recording them. It had noting to do with genuine customers.

[squeezebox]

Casinos want a credit card and a name and dress and photo id potentially.  Do betting shops make you fill something in to collect your winnings? 

U-Kash on the other hand can connect my AW account to a throw away email address connected to a punting phone.  Anything more than that and I'd have to be an enemy of the state or under criminal investigation, but it's more than enough to hide my habit from credit records, the odd WG who loses it and future girlfriends and/or wives.

95% are cash transactions. Betting by debit card gives trackability.
Entering their in-house competitions offers up identity. Staff are strong on customer services they get to know you..etc   Also loyalty cards that are swiped before each bet will need registering to get one.
 
If you cop over £5k it's unlikely they could pay out in readies...still possible. The way they try and do it is offer a cheque and then the triigger kicks off in your back account. This is down to their insurance liability and cash held in the branch at any time.

Best way for any amount is to arrange for a cash payment over £5k and use their open credit facility and get the cash from the bank cashier off premises from their bank. No ID required. It would take a phone call from the betting office staff, 2-3 hours to clear, and then its sorted. (you have to have a winning bet first of course)   

Other ways is to shovel lumps of cash into the cash roulette machines, make a couple of no win/lose bets, cash out. Clean money from gambling winnings that aren't taxable.   

[k]

95% are cash transactions. Betting by debit card gives trackability.
Entering their in-house competitions offers up identity. Staff are strong on customer services they get to know you..etc   Also loyalty cards that are swiped before each bet will need registering to get one.
 
If you cop over £5k it's unlikely they could pay out in readies...still possible. The way they try and do it is offer a cheque and then the triigger kicks off in your back account. This is down to their insurance liability and cash held in the branch at any time.

Best way for any amount is to arrange for a cash payment over £5k and use their open credit facility and get the cash from the bank cashier off premises from their bank. No ID required. It would take a phone call from the betting office staff, 2-3 hours to clear, and then its sorted. (you have to have a winning bet first of course)   

Other ways is to shovel lumps of cash into the cash roulette machines, make a couple of no win/lose bets, cash out. Clean money from gambling winnings that aren't taxable.   

If you do win a large amount on gambling I would think it better that it is traceable to you otherwise HMRC will ask where the money came from when you spend it.

[vorian]

If you do win a large amount on gambling I would think it better that it is traceable to you otherwise HMRC will ask where the money came from when you spend it.

Not if you spend it on prossies

[smiths]

95% are cash transactions. Betting by debit card gives trackability.
Entering their in-house competitions offers up identity. Staff are strong on customer services they get to know you..etc   Also loyalty cards that are swiped before each bet will need registering to get one.
 
If you cop over £5k it's unlikely they could pay out in readies...still possible. The way they try and do it is offer a cheque and then the triigger kicks off in your back account. This is down to their insurance liability and cash held in the branch at any time.

Best way for any amount is to arrange for a cash payment over £5k and use their open credit facility and get the cash from the bank cashier off premises from their bank. No ID required. It would take a phone call from the betting office staff, 2-3 hours to clear, and then its sorted. (you have to have a winning bet first of course)   

Other ways is to shovel lumps of cash into the cash roulette machines, make a couple of no win/lose bets, cash out. Clean money from gambling winnings that aren't taxable.   

I dont bet so wouldnt know. But i am very surprised the betting companies bank doesnt ask for photo and address ID before giving someone a large amount of cash even if they ring the bank beforehand. In fact i thought it was part of the money laundering regulations to have to see such ID. Seems they have left this loophole.

[smiths]

Not if you spend it on prossies

Or if you spend it on anything in cash. HMRC arent mind readers, if the cash is untraceable they wont know you have it unless they are told so. I was given £10k in cash by an elderly relative a few years back, totally untraceable unless they were to tell HMRC which of course they didnt do. I just spent it as i went along, i didnt bank it or buy large purchases with it where i would of had to give my name etc.

[vorian]

Or if you spend it on anything in cash. HMRC arent mind readers, if the cash is untraceable they wont know you have it unless they are told so. I was given £10k in cash by an elderly relative a few years back, totally untraceable unless they were to tell HMRC which of course they didnt do. I just spent it as i went along, i didnt bank it or buy large purchases with it where i would of had to give my name etc.

I think,  and I maybe wrong that they only ask for ID checks to be made on cash transactions over £500 at least that what the sign states in my local bookers cash and carry.

[smiths]

I think,  and I maybe wrong that they only ask for ID checks to be made on cash transactions over £500 at least that what the sign states in my local bookers cash and carry.

Squeezebox said cash over £5k though, no ID needed, the betting shop merely rings their bank to inform them and 2-3 hours later the money will be ready to be collected.

[tel_house]

I think,  and I maybe wrong that they only ask for ID checks to be made on cash transactions over £500 at least that what the sign states in my local bookers cash and carry.

The only thing with Bookers is you have to have a card and the named person on the card has to provide company, bank account and VAT registration details in order to get the card. Having had to go through the process myself they certainly know who the card holder is before you are allowed to buy anything.

[squeezebox]

Squeezebox said cash over £5k though, no ID needed, the betting shop merely rings their bank to inform them and 2-3 hours later the money will be ready to be collected.

That's because the account the withdrawal (winnings) is from the betting shops account and the bank know the reason for it. The winning punter if no interest to their bank.

If the winning punter deposited it into their own account and later withdrew it from another branch, then there may be a different rule.

[jcdmj12]

Or if you spend it on anything in cash. HMRC arent mind readers, if the cash is untraceable they wont know you have it unless they are told so. I was given £10k in cash by an elderly relative a few years back, totally untraceable unless they were to tell HMRC which of course they didnt do. I just spent it as i went along, i didnt bank it or buy large purchases with it where i would of had to give my name etc.

This - the two places they can catch you are on obvious  asset purchases (houses, boats, cars, jewellery that you bling about), and holidays where you get your passport stamped. Anything else doesn't leave much of a paper trail.

[smiths]

That's because the account the withdrawal (winnings) is from the betting shops account and the bank know the reason for it. The winning punter if no interest to their bank.

If the winning punter deposited it into their own account and later withdrew it from another branch, then there may be a different rule.

Thanks i realise that but am still very surprised photo and address ID isnt required to validate the person doing the withdrawing.

[sarahjayneleeds]

Thanks i realise that but am still very surprised photo and address ID isnt required to validate the person doing the withdrawing.

In my days when I worked in a betting shop Head Office would inform the bank of the withdrawal and  I would  accompany the winner to our branch of the bank. The staff there knew who we were due to us paying in daily and we were issued with security passes confirming who we were ( Managers only) and we were authorised to pay out by the company. We had a password to confirm and the cash was handed to the customer. This of course may vary depending on the bookie.

[smiths]

In my days when I worked in a betting shop Head Office would inform the bank of the withdrawal and  I would  accompany the winner to our branch of the bank. The staff there knew who we were due to us paying in daily and we were issued with security passes confirming who we were ( Managers only) and we were authorised to pay out by the company. We had a password to confirm and the cash was handed to the customer. This of course may vary depending on the bookie.

Thanks, doesnt change my surprise that ID is not required though, and especially now in these days of money laudering regulations. Interesting to learn about though, but of no benefit to me as i dont gamble.

[k]

In my days when I worked in a betting shop Head Office would inform the bank of the withdrawal and  I would  accompany the winner to our branch of the bank. The staff there knew who we were due to us paying in daily and we were issued with security passes confirming who we were ( Managers only) and we were authorised to pay out by the company. We had a password to confirm and the cash was handed to the customer. This of course may vary depending on the bookie.

The winner must have thought he really had hit the jackpot.

[squeezebox]

In my days when I worked in a betting shop Head Office would inform the bank of the withdrawal and  I would  accompany the winner to our branch of the bank. The staff there knew who we were due to us paying in daily and we were issued with security passes confirming who we were ( Managers only) and we were authorised to pay out by the company. We had a password to confirm and the cash was handed to the customer. This of course may vary depending on the bookie.

You described it better than me.

[mh]

I think they have to ask what it is for because there are two different types of Ukash vouchers - under 18 and 18+. AW (plus gambling sites etc) should not accept the under 18 version... They should only be asking whether you want an over 18 version. I have been asked this as just said it is to send the money to my brother and he is over 18 so I need that.

[Ali Katt]

I think they have to ask what it is for because there are two different types of Ukash vouchers - under 18 and 18+. AW (plus gambling sites etc) should not accept the under 18 version... They should only be asking whether you want an over 18 version. I have been asked this as just said it is to send the money to my brother and he is over 18 so I need that.

If they use payzone I think the staff only have the option to print one voucher off, and it is the over 18s one.

[cockneybstrd]

UK Cash vouchers. Are a very easy way to clean cash and show an income for criminals. For example if you have a grand. You buy ten vouchers for a 100 quid. Then on seperate betting websites you make a deposit. You play around with a tenner and then withdraw the rest to your bank account.

With regards to bookmakers if you bet on line and have a half decent win - I am not even talking four figures. Half the time you have to spilt your withdrawl between your bank account and debit card. Unless it with a private bookmakers who do offer to withdraw it too wherever you want it.

[k]

One thing I don't understand here. 

If I won a fortune on gambling, I would want it to be paid straight into my bank account because it is free of tax and I have nothing to hide, and HMRC know that if I start splurging out that the money is totally accounted for in the winnings.