Author Topic: Noticed a lot of WGs in my area demanding deposits through bank transfer of late  (Read 4421 times)

Offline jkrieg

i havent been asked, but if a sauna asked as a condition of booking, i would have no problem in doing so. its no different than booking a table in a restaurant, i didnt ask if you used agencies, i asked if they took a deposit. What do you think, they would send a girl across town with no guarantee ? just asking a man of the world like you. as the sex industry is presently organised i wouldnt pay a deposit,to a free lancer, though i am perfectly happy that girls ask, what i want is a mature industry, and card payments and deposits will be part of that.

The difference here is one is a registered business that can be held accountable... The other is a random anonymous person on the internet using an alias and potentially fake pictures.

I can't see the logic in handing out a deposit to someone who could so easily ghost you and leave you pennyless in an industry where you wouldn't exactly want to pipe up about being scammed. It would be like going to the police because a drug dealer ran off with your money  :lol:

Offline nike

I always leave a deposit, preferably in her mouth.  :lol:

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Willie's train of "thinking" could or would only ever apply to him.  If you're retired, no immediate family or friends and punt solely in saunas and essentially use them as a social club,  and are friendly with the management and have no issues sharing your personal information, and if for some reason they suddenly started requiring a deposit for a booking, then despite him having never being asked for one before, he'd happily pay one.   :thumbsdown:

If things go all  card payment, how will you pay for your extras, Willie?  :unknown:
« Last Edit: June 29, 2021, 09:37:46 am by Matrix »

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Willie's train of "thinking" could or would only ever apply to him.  If you're retired, no immediate family or friends and punt solely in saunas and essentially use them as a social club,  and are friendly with the management and have no issues sharing your personal information, and if for some reason they suddenly started requiring a deposit for a booking, then despite him having never being asked for one before, he'd happily pay one.   :thumbsdown:

If things go all  card payment, how will you pay for your extras, Willie?  :unknown:

always a laugh sparring with you matrix, plenty of low blows in that post, though fortunately none true, except being friendly with the management, i am from the west you see, we like personalising encounters and chatting to people.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2021, 06:36:10 pm by willie loman »

Offline Sha99er

It's a bit of a cheek really, I've been let down more times from whores than I care to remember, usually without any form of comms too.

 It goes both ways, but I dont ever pay a penny upfront.

Offline TheRealDeal10

I was asked recently by Mistress Imara for not only a bank transfer deposit but also a picture of my passport. I told her, impolitely, where to go. She tried to cite her numerous reviews in AW but I was having none of it. I felt it was a complete liberty of her to even ask.

Also there was another one in Glasgow, can’t mind her name who asked for a deposit to visit fife and when I queried it she blocked me instantly on AW.

Scammers IMO.
Banned reason: Threat and a little strange
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Offline Sha99er

she blocked me instantly on AW.



Didnt even know that was a thing, can they do that?

Offline PunterNumber69

I don't have a problem paying a small deposit to a reputable well established and reviewed escort but I'd never do it via bank transfer. I'd use an anonymous payment method.  When I make bookings I intend to turn up on time to enjoy myself.  I think COVID and the constant rule changes and unplanned events like vaccination call up, etc. have probably caused an increase in short notice cancellations hence the WGs are asking for deposits so they get something out of the booking if it falls through.

I'd not pay an unknown to me escort a deposit.

However, it's entirely up to the punter if they are happy paying one.

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I don't have a problem paying a small deposit to a reputable well established and reviewed escort but I'd never do it via bank transfer. I'd use an anonymous payment method.  When I make bookings I intend to turn up on time to enjoy myself.  I think COVID and the constant rule changes and unplanned events like vaccination call up, etc. have probably caused an increase in short notice cancellations hence the WGs are asking for deposits so they get something out of the booking if it falls through.

I'd not pay an unknown to me escort a deposit.

However, it's entirely up to the punter if they are happy paying one.

Have you actually paid one?

Offline NicAndrew


when i went on holiday, i paid the travel agency. was i being a naive fool? why didnt you answer my straightforward genuine question, do escort agencies ask for deposits?
Holiday companies are covered by ABTA. In theory you get your money back if it goes pear shaped. If ABTA could cover WG's deposits then it wouldn't be a problem. The fact that you have no redress if an SP doesn't go through with a booking even if you've paid a deposit makes the whole prospect of paying deposits unrealistic. I've paid a deposit in the past and guess what? yep she fucked off never to be seen again, therefore I won't be paying deposits again. I've not read any of your reviews, however if you write in future ones that you've paid a deposit then that would be very helpful and indicate SP's that honour the deposit scheme...

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Holiday companies are covered by ABTA. In theory you get your money back if it goes pear shaped. If ABTA could cover WG's deposits then it wouldn't be a problem. The fact that you have no redress if an SP doesn't go through with a booking even if you've paid a deposit makes the whole prospect of paying deposits unrealistic. I've paid a deposit in the past and guess what? yep she fucked off never to be seen again, therefore I won't be paying deposits again. I've not read any of your reviews, however if you write in future ones that you've paid a deposit then that would be very helpful and indicate SP's that honour the deposit scheme...

He's never been asked or paid one and ceased writing reviews years ago, despite him apparently punting every week. By his own "standards", he's full of shite.

Offline willie loman

Holiday companies are covered by ABTA. In theory you get your money back if it goes pear shaped. If ABTA could cover WG's deposits then it wouldn't be a problem. The fact that you have no redress if an SP doesn't go through with a booking even if you've paid a deposit makes the whole prospect of paying deposits unrealistic. I've paid a deposit in the past and guess what? yep she fucked off never to be seen again, therefore I won't be paying deposits again. I've not read any of your reviews, however if you write in future ones that you've paid a deposit then that would be very helpful and indicate SP's that honour the deposit scheme...

the holiday example was tongue in cheek. however if a housewife was making a cake for you, small cottage business, she might ask for a deposit, there is no difference between this and a wg, no one has to pay a deposit if they dont want to, the sex industry is going to evolve going forward, it will become more mature , open, less furtive, its the punters who pay the price for it being a shameful activity, in the nearish future, the idea of paying 90- 100 for half an hour will seem absurd

Offline willie loman

He's never been asked or paid one and ceased writing reviews years ago, despite him apparently punting every week. By his own "standards", he's full of shite.

i give plenty of advice and recommendations, and am often contacted via pm, you stick to what you enjoy, criticizing other posters, and creating unnecessary aggression on the forum, this used to be a happy forum, full of tongue in cheeks jokes, by people who didnt take themselves too seriously, before you and your acolytes began ruining it.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2021, 06:09:55 pm by willie loman »

Offline NicAndrew

the holiday example was tongue in cheek. however if a housewife was making a cake for you, small cottage business, she might ask for a deposit, there is no difference between this and a wg, no one has to pay a deposit if they dont want to, the sex industry is going to evolve going forward, it will become more mature , open, less furtive, its the punters who pay the price for it being a shameful activity, in the nearish future, the idea of paying 90- 100 for half an hour will seem absurd
You can't retract your quote by saying it's tongue in cheek and using the example of cake making small cottage business. You have either made successful encounters paying a deposit or you haven't. If you have fine, if you haven't then that's fine too. Paying a working girl a deposit for a booking is theoretically a good idea to weed out the time wasters, however if she 'scams' you then you have no redress. At the moment it's not illegal to procure a girl for sexual activity by paying her for sex and I'm not ashamed of indulging in that activity. I do have a problem with SP's who demand a deposit with no intention of providing said service. Again, if you have paid a deposit for sexual services and achieved said desire, then be open about it and tell us, if not then in the words of others on the forum you are full of shite...

Offline willie loman

You can't retract your quote by saying it's tongue in cheek and using the example of cake making small cottage business. You have either made successful encounters paying a deposit or you haven't. If you have fine, if you haven't then that's fine too. Paying a working girl a deposit for a booking is theoretically a good idea to weed out the time wasters, however if she 'scams' you then you have no redress. At the moment it's not illegal to procure a girl for sexual activity by paying her for sex and I'm not ashamed of indulging in that activity. I do have a problem with SP's who demand a deposit with no intention of providing said service. Again, if you have paid a deposit for sexual services and achieved said desire, then be open about it and tell us, if not then in the words of others on the forum you are full of shite...
it was obviously tongue in cheek, an attempt at humour, some people ffs.

Offline hairdownthere

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This girl is asking for a deposit or if you don't agree to it, higher charges.

She has a few positive reviews on here but there is no way I'd pay a deposit, nor agree to the higher charges out of principle

Shame really as I do like the look of her

Offline jkrieg

I don't agree with the cake analogy. There is a difference between someone baking you a cake and a wg.

One would have a business premesis and if they didn't deliver you would have some course of action.

With a wg even if you can track them down, would you really want to be going to the police with it?

The other aspect is a wg having your real name and being able to blackmail you.

Offline willie loman

I don't agree with the cake analogy. There is a difference between someone baking you a cake and a wg.

One would have a business premesis and if they didn't deliver you would have some course of action.

With a wg even if you can track them down, would you really want to be going to the police with it?

The other aspect is a wg having your real name and being able to blackmail you.

i agree with everything you say, but point i am making is, she is entitled to ask for a deposit, you are entitled to refuse. at no point have i said i have paid a deposit.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2021, 04:14:29 pm by willie loman »

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I'm of the opinion that if saunas started asking for deposits, they'd hasten their nigh inevitable closures. I think that the only reason they're still tolerated is that they're less hassle and a quite sensible alternative to a red light district.  Edinburgh's having essentially died with the rise of the internet.

How many other, good sized cities don't have such an area?

I'm also of the opinion that someone that almost exclusively, allegedly, punts in saunas and has never had any dealings with even the prospect of paying a deposit, yet thinks deposits will "lower prices" and "improve the industry", hasn't the first clue what they're on about and is once again just stirring and has solidified opinion that they don't give a flying fuck about their fellow mongers and are firmly rooted in the 1970's.

Offline willie loman

I'm of the opinion that if saunas started asking for deposits, they'd hasten their nigh inevitable closures. I think that the only reason they're still tolerated is that they're less hassle and a quite sensible alternative to a red light district.  Edinburgh's having essentially died with the rise of the internet.

How many other, good sized cities don't have such an area?

I'm also of the opinion that someone that almost exclusively, allegedly, punts in saunas and has never had any dealings with even the prospect of paying a deposit, yet thinks deposits will "lower prices" and "improve the industry", hasn't the first clue what they're on about and is once again just stirring and has solidified opinion that they don't give a flying fuck about their fellow mongers and are firmly rooted in the 1970's.
i am beginning to think that you are unhinged, that is over 100 posts attacking me over a number of years, please be assured that i have absolutely no interest in your opinions.

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i am beginning to think that you are unhinged, that is over 100 posts attacking me over a number of years, please be assured that i have absolutely no interest in your opinions.

You're all give and no take, Willie.  :rolleyes: :lol:

I'm just shredding your opinions.  Most of which you contradict frequently.  I'll refrain from making outlandish assumptions on your mental state.  :wacko:

The point of this thread is clear to anyone with experience and anyone new should heed.  Do not ever pay a deposit.  There's incredibly high chance of being ripped off. 

Offline willie loman

i repeat its the girls right to ask for a deposit, the clients right to refuse, cant recall encouraging anyone to pay a deposit, and spare us the man of the world crap, we all know that most scottie hookers are crooks.

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cant recall encouraging anyone to pay a deposit

Apart from this thread where you're advocating it.

we all know that most scottie hookers are crooks.

Yet we should pay them a deposit?

You really are full of it. A load of contradictory toss.


Do not ever pay a deposit.  There's incredibly high chance of being ripped off.

QFT.

It's a mugs game. If you're a moron with money to burn, go ahead, other than that you just actually need to look at the number of members on here that have been burned to realise the phrase "A fool and his money..........." I'll let you fill in the rest as it rings true.

« Last Edit: July 05, 2021, 06:16:54 pm by Boinky »

Offline willie loman

please show me where i have advocated it, i have stated several times now, its the girls right to ask, its the clients right to refuse, and yet again spare us the , im a man of the world crap.

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please show me where i have advocated it,

There.....

its in everyones interest wgs and customers

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and yet again spare us the , im a man of the world crap.

Why don't you spare us your BS and contradictory garbage. You can't even remember what you typed a few days ago.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2021, 06:33:57 pm by Boinky »

Offline willie loman

There.....

Why don't you spare us your BS and contradictory garbage. You can't even remember what you typed a few days ago.

i am in favour of a mature industry , where bookings and deposits are like any other retail experience, and any sensible punter should feel the same, however i have also said perhaps 10 times now, its the girls right to ask, the clients right to refuse. and again why the gratuitous abuse? do you really think the sex industry will be like this in 10 years time? punting phones, punting clothes, furtive itineraries, as you are a man of the world who has walked the mean sts, can you recall what punting was like even 15 years ago? phone cards in telephone boxes, the back page of the sport.sex workers are now taking card payments, life moves on, accept it

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i am in favour of a mature industry , where bookings and deposits are like any other retail experience, and any sensible punter should feel the same,


But that's not now. We live in now. We don't live in a world where your deposit for a WG is secure or that there's any form of comeback or investigation against a legit business. How many punters are going to go to the Police or Action Fraud over a deposit to a WG?
The best you can do is give her bad feedback on AW, she reciprocates, other girls may not see you. You end up with some BS report on SAAFE etc.

however i have also said perhaps 10 times now, its the girls right to ask, the clients right to refuse.

Yes, and you're advocating paying deposits now. Anyone, outside your limited experience of only using saunas nowadays, will tell you it's a bad idea. It's a scam waiting to happen. You don't accept that and live in some utopian future that no one else does.

and again why the gratuitous abuse?

Because, as I pointed out you're contradicting yourself and you're dishing it out, but don't seem to want to take it. Your opinion is against the vast majority of experienced punters of the current state of punting. NEVER pay a deposit.
You're not advocating paying a deposit... apart from the posts you are. Have an contradictory opinion, fine, but don't talk BS about what you've said and then refuse to admit you're wrong by doubling down and crying about being hard done by when you're throwing it around as well.

do you really think the sex industry will be like this in 10 years time? punting phones, punting clothes, furtive itineraries, as you are a man of the world who has walked the mean sts, can you recall what punting was like even 15 years ago? phone cards in telephone boxes, the back page of the sport.sex workers are now taking card payments, life moves on, accept it

I can't see the future. If the SNP get their way it's not going to get better though IMO.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2021, 07:06:14 pm by Boinky »

Offline willie loman

so on about 10 posts i have said that at present paying  is not advised, but defended the girls right to ask, and the clients right to refuse, should i make this point 11 times? as for the idea that i only visit saunas, i have recommended in the last wee while, at least 4 independants, paula, now back at scorpio, allana, zoe 24, samantha.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2021, 07:11:21 pm by willie loman »

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Make up your mind then.

You don't
You do (in my quote of you)
You will in the future if your tea leaf readings are correct.

I'm done if you can't read, remember or admit what you posted. You're either an idiot or a wind-up merchant. So I'm moving on.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2021, 07:23:48 pm by Boinky »

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Make up your mind then.

You don't
You do (in my quote of you)
You will in the future if your tea leaf readings are correct.

I'm done if you can't read, remember or admit what you posted. You're either an idiot or a wind-up merchant. So I'm moving on.

you are being jesuitical,(google it)

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You're either an idiot or a wind-up merchant. So I'm moving on.
Glad it's not just me... But I'd say both anyway... :wacko:

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Glad it's not just me... But I'd say both anyway... :wacko:

having your support in any argument, would be embarrassing.

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having your support in any argument, would be embarrassing.
Says the guy that "Doesn't take himself too seriously"...  :lol: :lol:

Mr Embra!...  :crazy:

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I've been digging into the reasons behind the upsurge in deposits and I believe I have an answer

I started a thread at https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=313621.0, but there's no harm in quoting it here

There have been a number of threads recently about a rise in the number of girls asking for bank transfers as deposits prior to an in-call. I think I'm beginning to see a pattern following a number of WhatsApp conversations.

It looks as if the "deposit" is actually the trafficker/pimps/profile maintainers share of the girl's earnings. The deposits go to the pimps bank account, not the girl. Stops the need for regular meetings to hand over cash. Whether COVID is a cause of this I don't know - could just be an attempt to disguise the link.
Strangely enough the payment details I've seen show the mixed up nature of escorting, with the bank accounts all being in EE female names, even when the girls are notionally Japanese or Chinese.
It's worth pointing out as well that some of the girls have shown serious fear when I've pushed questions at them about this.
FWIW I've found two banks in use, both looking scamsterish. There are probably others

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typically the split seems to be around 50/70 pimp/girl
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I've been digging into the reasons behind the upsurge in deposits and I believe I have an answer

I started a thread at https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=313621.0, but there's no harm in quoting it here

typically the split seems to be around 50/70 pimp/girl
Thanks for that :hi:... I'd rather believe willie though, that knows how Escorting is going to go moving fwd...  :sarcastic:

Offline jkrieg

Cmon now ladies, opinions are like arseholes... we all have one. Nae need to get cunty with eachother over it.

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Cmon now ladies, opinions are like arseholes... we all have one. Nae need to get cunty with eachother over it.

In that case, you must be the biggest opinion on here.

Offline jkrieg

In that case, you must be the biggest opinion on here.

Classic Matrix, always on the attack. You should try chilling out a bit  :D

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