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Offline Metalgear2018

I was thinking of a business idea. I don't have the money to do this but it will probably cost a couple of grand and IT knowledge.

Basically this is how it would work. Punter pays funds into a a computer service for an escort. The punter sees the escort. They both confirm to the agent(computer)the deed has been done and then the fees are paid to the escort.

The benefits of this service:
1)cash is never carried by both parties.
2) if there is an issues during the service the funds can be held so the dispute can be resolved with satisfactory evidence.
3) the punter can top up the balance and can't be tracked by his wife or gf.
4) no human involvement. The agent is just a bank or automated service. The only time a human is involved if there is a dispute.
5) if an escort ask for a deposit. It can be paid however it can only be released if the punt goes ahead. The punter will press confirmation of it. The escort can't take the cash without confirmation.

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May work with UK prozzies but gl getting sergeis to use such services.
Would need big money to gain the trust of workers and also punters anyway, probably a non starter tbh.
How would those explain the transactions on bank statements for those who share bank accounts?

Cash transactions aren't a big enough problem i don't feel for there to even be that big of a need.
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would be good for punters. However, the key factor would be whether its accepted by (enough) WG's to get it off the ground.

I suspect they would be suspicious of it and/or like their cash. But could be good if you could sell it well enough. Who pays any fees? They must be some fee/charge to use it, even if small!

Who guarantees the money being "held" by the business? what if the punter wants to re-negotiate the price? (see that a lot on here - punters say it was ok but not worth what i paid for it).

A good idea in principle but i think too many issues and I suspect it would never get off the ground!

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"EBay Punter's Alliance"

There you are .... sorted for you  :lol:

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A wet dream for HMRC having all those WG transactions in one place.

If I started this business how would I make a worthwhile profit?

Offline Metalgear2018

A wet dream for HMRC having all those WG transactions in one place.

You can take a small percentage from the overall transaction. Basically when the escort withdraws the money she gets charged

If I started this business how would I make a worthwhile profit?

Offline Metalgear2018

would be good for punters. However, the key factor would be whether its accepted by (enough) WG's to get it off the ground.

I suspect they would be suspicious of it and/or like their cash. But could be good if you could sell it well enough. Who pays any fees? They must be some fee/charge to use it, even if small!

Who guarantees the money being "held" by the business? what if the punter wants to re-negotiate the price? (see that a lot on here - punters say it was ok but not worth what i paid for it).

A good idea in principle but i think too many issues and I suspect it would never get off the ground!

The price is set. However, maybe if the escort is experiencing a slow day then she can reduce her price on that day to draw in customers.

Offline Metalgear2018

May work with UK prozzies but gl getting sergeis to use such services.
Would need big money to gain the trust of workers and also punters anyway, probably a non starter tbh.
How would those explain the transactions on bank statements for those who share bank accounts?

Cash transactions aren't a big enough problem i don't feel for there to even be that big of a need.

The bank statements will be named non suspiciously. For example it might be called "Dream world" or "Entertainment plus"

Also it does not have to be for escorts. It can be for self employed business men such as roofers or builders. This can cover the tracks of the punter if his wife or gf becomes paranoid

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The bank statements will be named non suspiciously. For example it might be called "Dream world" or "Entertainment plus"

Also it does not have to be for escorts. It can be for self employed business men such as roofers or builders. This can cover the tracks of the punter if his wife or gf becomes paranoid
If you think I would pay any money into some third party account for them to take a share of, you need to think again. I put pound notes in the escort's hand at the time of the booking taking place.



Offline teddyking

Good concept but this service is only favourable for punters. It’s very unlikely many WGs would accept this
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Offline lewisjones23

whats to stop a punter having the punt and saying it didnt go ahead?

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You can take a small percentage from the overall transaction. Basically when the escort withdraws the money she gets charged


How many full time arbitrators would I have to employ to deal with all the disputes? How much of a percentage do you think would cover all the running costs and leave me with a nice wedge at the end?


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What puzzles me about this thread is the apparent assumption that scams pose a significant risk to the average punter.

I'm far from considering myself the world's No. 1 Wise Guy – and indeed I've had one or two, erm, awkward moments in my punting time – but, in some 15 years of doing the rounds in Strumpet City, Whoretown and Harlotsville, I've never once been scammed in the sense the OP appears to mean.

Yes (as often discussed on this site), Adult Work is littered with fake profiles trying to attract Private Gallery money.  And there are a few scam profiles which ask for deposits; but (as also often discussed on this site), no sensible punter would pay a deposit – although it may occasionally be necessary to take a small risk on travel expenses in advance if it's an outcall and the girl is travelling by train.

And, yes, there are a few accounts on this site of punters who have been threatened by pimps and been obliged to leave their funds behind – but such encounters are surely extraordinarily rare? 

In summary, the OP's suggestion, while thoughtfully constructed, seems to me a complicated solution to a problem that barely exists.

Offline Blackpool Rock

whats to stop a punter having the punt and saying it didnt go ahead?
That's what I was thinking, plenty of girls out there trying to scam punters and plenty of guys in this game who would be happy to take advantage of the girls.
Why do most girls always get the money from the punter before the punt actually takes place  :unknown: I rest my case  :hi:

The other thing here is that if it was a viable business model then you can bet your bottom dollar that AW would already be operating this system



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Good concept but this service is only favourable for punters. It’s very unlikely many WGs would accept this
Indeed. No, thanks!

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So essentially an escrow service for punters.

Offline Metalgear2018

If you think I would pay any money into some third party account for them to take a share of, you need to think again. I put pound notes in the escort's hand at the time of the booking taking place.

I'm sure other people would like it.

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I'm sure other people would like it.


Why, it is open to as many scams as those that are out there now, which any sensible person could avoid.  It is bad enough dealing with disputes with every company you deal with and dire customer service, the company would love disputes and encourage them, because they will be sitting on the money.

Giving money to a third party? for a personal transaction with 2 humans who have different ideas of fair? They would be sitting on millions of disputed money and dragging it out as long as they could.

Non starter, Cash will always be king in punting, no attached punter would take that chance, unless the OH knows.

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Giving money to a third party? for a personal transaction with 2 humans who have different ideas of fair? They would be sitting on millions of disputed money and dragging it out as long as they could.

Quite so.

"She said OWO was on offer, but in the event it wasn't available.  I want half my money back."

It would keep our learned friends very fully occupied – as if they haven't got enough on their plate with "Me too".

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Have you ever sold something on eBay, the buyer pays with PayPal, then when they’ve received the item they claim it was damaged or not as advertised, and then PayPal refund the buyer, leaving you without your money or the item you had tried to sell? That would happen all the time with this system with unscrupulous people on both sides of the transaction.

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Too convoluted. My punting money (and hence activity) would now be tracked. I could still get caught by an SO for paying into this digital punting account. Refunds would be difficult and more time-consuming. I don't think this would really protect against getting scammed, since it would still be a he-said/she-said situation. I don't want to pay for this service when I can easily withdraw from my bank before the punt.

I really like cash. I just bring as much as I need for the punt, and perhaps extras. I hand it over at the beginning of the punt, easy. Times where I've had a dispute, I could sometimes get a full refund if I cancel very early, or a partial refund if later into the booking. This took just seconds. Doing this digitally would be drawn-out.

Reviews are the best method to avoid scams, so getting everyone to review as often and as timely as possible, is the best way to reduce scams.

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This is a problem that doesn't need solving just pay cash and have done with it.Also from past experience I can assure you this sort of web based app costs 10x what you think it might.
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Offline Mr Doodle

Metalgear, I have no idea how young you are, but don't stop having ideas, and you're doing the right thing canvassing would be clients. The key to a successful business idea is does it solve a problem and is the cost going to be worth the solution.  Your idea solves the deposit problem, but how many punters put deposits down once they have been shafted once.

1) From my perspective, carrying cash for the punt and a bit more is a risk, but no more risky than carrying cash anywhere.. Yeah, there can be mugs waiting to see who is on their way to the flat, but this is pretty rare.. At the end of the day, we are punting at the budget we can afford to lose anyway.. So, if I am at the beer end of the bidget anbd I lose my, say £60, that's life; If I am at the Champagne end of the budget and I lose my £500 for that hour's punt, well, let's face it, I was going to lose it anyway for an hour of fun.. Of course, there are those that save an eternity for the overnighter, but in general, my loss of an hours shag isn't going to phase me me too much. and I am prepared to risk that rather than being traced.

2) Holding funds for a dispute will have the SPs off the platform in a shot. I think we all accept we can walk, argue for a refund or take it on the chin.. Those in the punting world will be smart enough to have found UKP or similar sites to assist them with their endeavours.. That's how I found UKP.. and I am pretty sure that is how all of us did.

3) Topping up and not being traced by wife or gf? Think about it.. If I take out, say £150 and it shows up on the statement or I send £150 to Day Entertainment (or even some more bland name, like Pete's Golf Shack), if my wife or GF is the inquisitive type, they are still going to ask.. Just as they will if I take out £150 notes from the ATM. Therefore, if it really is an issue, I am scurrying away the notes to an account she has no knowledge of to spend big on the night. This actually creates more hassle than it solves, because at least if I take out £150 from an ATM, I can say George from work needed to borrow some money - he's good for it and it will be back next payday.. Can't do that of I send money to some random named business, especially with entertainment in the name.

4) What is the problem with human involvement? This may sound weird, but I like the fact I hand over cash.. It establishes the nature of the relationship - transactional and service provider to service receiver.. It also provides structure.. expectations are clearly set. Commerce is the oldest profession.. Why are we so bashful about money. I also like to know the SP has seen me hand over hard earned money - having it out of sight to me diminishes that part of the transaction and in theory can lead to people forgetting the nature of the transaction.

5) Yes- it solves the deposit issue - but hoe many of us pay a deposit and of those of us who do, how many times do we do it?

The fact that you are prepared to hold peoples' money for no defined service (i.e. the top up) means you could be classed as a deposit taking company and unless you held that money in trust for each client separately (very expensive undertaking), you may find yourself being regulated by the FCA - can't be sure, to be honest as I don't know that end of the business, but it wouldn't surprise me..You don't need a banking license, but you will need to have a compliance team an client portfolio reporting requirement - in other words, sending a statement.. And that may well raise the inquisitive naure of wives and/or girlfriends.

The picosecond you execute a transaction electronically, it is traceable. And not many punters nor SPs will want that. In fact the nature of your business will probably send shivers down the financial crime units of payment providers, and you will find yourself having to go to some very expensive payment providers to take electronic payments, anyway. And you will have to slug someone for it.. and whoever you slug, if it is anything more than a very minor amount, they won't be with you for long.. because for most, there are no issues with payments 99.9999999% if the time (one hopes).

Finally, the big one for punters more than anything else.. and has been said already - the risk is, this could be a darned big scam. For SPs, generally anonymity is not such a big deal as it is their livelihood (although for some it is, of course). But for punters, well, it is almost everything. Which is why you rarely see any of us who complain bitterly in a negative review taking it to the local trading standards, the county court, or Rogue Traders. Basically, if punters have a problem with your service, they are generally not going to enforce consumer protection against you because they want to remain anonymous.. And for me, that, along with traceability is the deal breaker. You could my money, the SP may not provide the service and you can hang onto my money. Yes, I will post about it here, but I'll never see the money again.. May as well have it robbed from me, because at least I will get some form of Adrenalin rush.

Look, there are plenty of people who will put the poo-poo on ideas just because they are jealous they didn't come up with it and know that they don't have the mettle to take an idea and run with it.. and they want to see everyone who has a good idea and the mettle to see it through fail. I am really not one of those.. When someone comes to me with a business idea (not that I am an investor or anything), I ask them not to think if other people would buy it, but if they were the customer, would they buy it.. Put yourself in the punters and SPs mind and then ask yourself whether you (not someone else) would buy it.. And answer honestly...

Keep the ideas coming.. keep testing them... And when you have one you think is right, go for it.. You may succeed, but you only fail if you fail to learn from things that don't work out..

Book recommendation: The Lean Startup (and Blue Ocean Strategy)...


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I was thinking of a business idea. I don't have the money to do this but it will probably cost a couple of grand and IT knowledge.

You’ll also need at least 10 times your budget, even if you ship it out to the far east

Offline PunterNumber69

Cash works for me. Anything else is too complicated and loopholes which could cause problems for either party.

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Offline Gordon Bennett

Someone set up a site called Showup23 a couple of years ago to do exactly what OP proposes but in the realm of booking muscle worship sessions with female bodybuilders. Obviously it rapidly crashed and burned and went tits up. There just isn't any need for this sort of fee handling escrow provision when visiting a service provider.