At what point is it meaningsless to spend more on a WG? Can money gurantee 10/10

[daviemac]

No dude I am not. Thanks for the compliment though, if even native english speaking thinks I am journalist my spelling mistakes can't be that bad.

It wasn't a compliment, it was an insult. Your posts have an air of researcher / journalist / troll about them and I firmly believe you are one or the other, no matter how well you think you are disguising it.

Nice of you to presume that English is my first language and I am indeed English by birth.

[Stevelondon]

Very little helps.

Now come on be honest.

Is that you being sarky or a typo 😄

[bushman]

I don't think any person, woman or man can be a 10. If such a thing existed they wouldn't be escorts or pay for sex.But that is just my opinion as a successful 4-5/10. Who pay to get my cock sucked by a girl who like money.

The thought of trying to have sex with a near perfect individual would be great, but if you are not a 10 the whole experience will be rather average.

[JontyR]

What will feel different is the walk back to the car after. There’s no worse than feeling finding out the expectation didn’t match up to the reality and you’ve now got a massive burning hole in your pocket.

To be fair though he doesn't appear to have any point of reference. He may think that the perfunctory service is the apex of sexual encounters.

Every thing you say though is absolutely bob on.

[Steely Dan]

I mean a large chunk of those reviews about EU agencies I listed came from captain69, are you telling me captain69 are not to be trusted?

Yes.  UKP is more trusted.

Read it in an article i deemed trustworthy, wanna read it youself and judge?

No need.  I trust what I have lived and experienced more than what I have read.

Beside, think it through: How does this female madam know what guys like?  From her observations.  So then (years later) she *tells* the new escort what guys like from *her* noting their reactions. So it is still from a woman being in touch with the reaction of men, only now it is (at best) second hand.

CatBBW who is observant and sensitive is way better than some escort doing what some woman told her to.  I know this 'madam trained' bullshit is not true from my experience.  And even though you have never fucked an escort, you would know it *could* not be true if you just thought about it critically and logically.

[a1000punts]

OP, from what I can tell, there is a strong correlation between looks and prices until about 300-400 per hour. Girls at that price are already top notch, you don't get prostitutes hotter than that, even if you spend more.

Don't ever forget that people often look very different in person than in photos, and that is even more so with women and particularly women who put a lot of emphasis on their looks, whores, instagrammers, etc..

So you might think you're booking your ten for 1k or 2k and it's very likely that when you see her, she turns into an 8.
I found your questions interesting cause I too started punting exactly because I wanted to fuck hot girls and not 5s and 6s. I've fucked 5s and 6s civvies and it was no fun. Sex is only fun for me if I think she's hot. And naturally, the hotter the better.

I've fucked some, that to me, were 9s and perhaps even 10s in a perfectly taken picture, with the perfect pose, makeup and lighting. And it was awesome, but honestly, the best sessions I've had weren't with those, the best ones were with 8s with whom I got along better, so she was more into it, etc...

Go to red light districts when they re-open, go to FKKs in Germany when they re-open, and in those places there are dozens or even hundreds of girls in one place. You'll probably see your 9 in there, or maybe even a 10, who knows. And if you do, you can fuck her for 50 or 100 euros and tick it off your bucket list.
To me, that's the best way to go at it, cause you'll be seeing them in person!

[RAJEC]

Why are people still giving this twat airtime??? 

[Ali Katt]

Who dont? you mean those exclusive models listed in UK(or EU) are fake and not exclusive?

UK ones. I can't speak for other areas, but Manchester agencies have had the girls on their books work in parlours. The thing about being elite is smoke and mirrors.

[Ali Katt]

Now come on be honest.

Is that you being sarky or a typo 😄

It was intentional.

[Ali Katt]

I don't think any person, woman or man can be a 10. If such a thing existed they wouldn't be escorts or pay for sex.But that is just my opinion as a successful 4-5/10. Who pay to get my cock sucked by a girl who like money.

The thought of trying to have sex with a near perfect individual would be great, but if you are not a 10 the whole experience will be rather average.

What people forget is even a perfect 10 probably wouldn't viee themselves as a 10. I think the whole scoring system is demeaning, but any whose ever dated knows even very attractive women have body issues in their minds.

[Tender.french.kiss]

What a ridiculous load of pseudo intellectual pomposity with a healthy portion of humble bragging. £6000 for three punts - a fool and his money is easily parted.

+1

[Stevelondon]

What people forget is even a perfect 10 probably wouldn't viee themselves as a 10. I think the whole scoring system is demeaning, but any whose ever dated knows even very attractive women have body issues in their minds.

Plus one again that age old argument as to WHAT is exactly beautiful.
It’s in the eye of the beholder surely and there are quite a lot of beholders let’s be honest.

So the scoring system as has been said.
It’s bollocks.

[Alabastern]

I did it. Today for the first time I bought sex from a regular Ukrainian hooker, I just wanted to get it over with. I needed to know. I can not completely be sure how I feel about the experience. But I surely feel disappointed in myself, I couldn't perform, I couldn't pop the cherry. I blame the porn and masturbation, it's hard to replace that right hand when you are so used to it.

I feel there are bigger insights lurking from this experience but none of which gives me positive energy. In summary the experience made me feel weak. Reality control.

Maybe I come back with a post detailing all the details, maybe not.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

I did it. Today for the first time I bought sex from a regular Ukrainian hooker, I just wanted to get it over with. I needed to know. I can not completely be sure how I feel about the experience. But I surely feel disappointed in myself, I couldn't perform, I couldn't pop the cherry. I blame the porn and masturbation, it's hard to replace that right hand when you are so used to it.

I feel there are bigger insights lurking from this experience but none of which gives me positive energy. In summary the experience made me feel weak. Reality control.

Maybe I come back with a post detailing all the details, maybe not.

Well a diaister it might have been but grace us with a review wontcha;!..

[Bru1901]

If you want to spend more then be a SD. They are hotter than the average wg but not as skilled or naughty

If you want a top of the line punt book grace from Allure

If you want lottery... you have AW

More doesnt mean better.

You would rather spend a holiday and meet girld abroad if you want the looks rather than pay ott prices for a mediocre punt

[golden bull]

I did it. Today for the first time I bought sex from a regular Ukrainian hooker, I just wanted to get it over with. I needed to know. I can not completely be sure how I feel about the experience. But I surely feel disappointed in myself, I couldn't perform, I couldn't pop the cherry. I blame the porn and masturbation, it's hard to replace that right hand when you are so used to it.

I feel there are bigger insights lurking from this experience but none of which gives me positive energy. In summary the experience made me feel weak. Reality control.

Maybe I come back with a post detailing all the details, maybe not.

No please just fuck off. Either do a review or don’t . No need for all the waffle.

[Thephoenix]

I did it. Today for the first time I bought sex from a regular Ukrainian hooker, I just wanted to get it over with. I needed to know. I can not completely be sure how I feel about the experience. But I surely feel disappointed in myself, I couldn't perform, I couldn't pop the cherry. I blame the porn and masturbation, it's hard to replace that right hand when you are so used to it.

I feel there are bigger insights lurking from this experience but none of which gives me positive energy. In summary the experience made me feel weak. Reality control.

Maybe I come back with a post detailing all the details, maybe not.

Short version........Fuck off you Wally Plonker!

Long version..........Why you no risten? We told you so! .... you Wally Plonker!

[RAJEC]

I did it. Today for the first time I bought sex from a regular Ukrainian hooker, I just wanted to get it over with. I needed to know. I can not completely be sure how I feel about the experience. But I surely feel disappointed in myself, I couldn't perform, I couldn't pop the cherry. I blame the porn and masturbation, it's hard to replace that right hand when you are so used to it.

I feel there are bigger insights lurking from this experience but none of which gives me positive energy. In summary the experience made me feel weak. Reality control.

Maybe I come back with a post detailing all the details, maybe not.

You sound like a sad needy little wanker. Probably never had a girlfriend. It’s also half term 

[daviemac]

I did it. Today for the first time I bought sex from a regular Ukrainian hooker,
Maybe I come back with a post detailing all the details, maybe not.

Did this 'meeting' take place in the UK, Scandinavia or the Ukraine.   

[Payyourwaymate]

I did it. Today for the first time I bought sex from a regular Ukrainian hooker, I just wanted to get it over with. I needed to know. I can not completely be sure how I feel about the experience. But I surely feel disappointed in myself, I couldn't perform, I couldn't pop the cherry. I blame the porn and masturbation, it's hard to replace that right hand when you are so used to it.

I feel there are bigger insights lurking from this experience but none of which gives me positive energy. In summary the experience made me feel weak. Reality control.

Maybe I come back with a post detailing all the details, maybe not.

 . You need to see a psychologist to recalibrate your view on women and sex, you are coming across as an arm chair analyst Incel. Please seek help.

[JontyR]

. You need to see a psychologist to recalibrate your view on women and sex, you are coming across as an arm chair analyst Incel. Please seek help.

I reckon he's more on the spectrum than Jet Set Willy.

[Slaveofnature]

I did it. Today for the first time I bought sex from a regular Ukrainian hooker, I just wanted to get it over with. I needed to know. I can not completely be sure how I feel about the experience. But I surely feel disappointed in myself, I couldn't perform, I couldn't pop the cherry. I blame the porn and masturbation, it's hard to replace that right hand when you are so used to it.

I feel there are bigger insights lurking from this experience but none of which gives me positive energy. In summary the experience made me feel weak. Reality control.

Maybe I come back with a post detailing all the details, maybe not.

Who cares pal - you really are a bore

[tynetunnel]

Harsh, but PERFECTLY fair! 

[contentguy]

I reckon he's more on the spectrum than Jet Set Willy.

I'd not heard that before 

[Thephoenix]

Did this 'meeting' take place in the UK, Scandinavia or the Ukraine.   

.....or Cloud Cuckoo Land.

Well I hope he thinks he's got good value for his £20.

There's not been much on TV lately, so reading some of his musings have been mildly entertaining.

[Steely Dan]

I did it. Today for the first time I bought sex from a regular Ukrainian hooker, I just wanted to get it over with. I needed to know. I can not completely be sure how I feel about the experience. But I surely feel disappointed in myself, I couldn't perform, I couldn't pop the cherry.

I suspect now, more than ever,  this thread is 'making shit up from what you read on the internet'.  But if real ... imagine if you had paid €1000 for a so called high class courtisan?  And had the same result?

Did this 'meeting' take place in the UK, Scandinavia or the Ukraine.   

Ukraine not 'the Ukraine'. We don't say 'the France' or 'the Germany'.   (And it is Czechia and Eswatini) 

[daviemac]

I suspect now, more than ever,  this thread is 'making shit up from what you read on the internet'.  But if real ... imagine if you had paid €1000 for a so called high class courtisan?  And had the same result?
Ukraine not 'the Ukraine'. We don't say 'the France' or 'the Germany'.   (And it is Czechia and Eswatini) 

One thing that really boils my piss is pedants picking faults with posts on a troll thread.  I couldn't give a toss what the correct terminology is.   

[Alabastern]

If you are looking for an exciting report please don't read further, this is anything but exciting, if you however want to read a very detailed report from a complete beginner, here we go:
Before you start you should know I am 30 years old, only had one sexual partner, and that was around 7 years ago. And even then I only fucked her like 4-5 times. Even though I don't like to talk about my personal life I feel this is relevant before you read. You should also now that it's illegal to buy sex in Sweden but legal to sell sex. You might think that this would lead to low demand and high supply of prostitutes. However the opposite is true.

Reading through your comments I read through a lot of BS but there were a lot of helpful comments as well. I recognize a good argument when I see one, I recognized the need of experience in need to justify my plans, otherwise my plans would be rested on more speculation rather than reality. I thank you for pushing for me to do this, this was long overdue. This was the main reason I booked a WG yesterday. On Monday evening I was looking through ads on different swedish escorting sites. One in particular stood out to me, a swedish teenager had an ad that made me horny like rarely so. Another swede also had a great ad that sounded or rather felt good. However they both lived far away from the capital, and neither had face pics, at least none that showed the face clearly. So I messaged them asking both of them for a striptease online, this would give them an opportunity to know if the ads were real also I would see their faces and better judge if it was worth the long car travel. Those messages were sent around 9.30am to 10.00am Tuesday morning. Having no immediate reply I now looked for ads in Stockholm about an hour with car from the city I was in. Unlike my first two messages sent to the girls far away, these ones came much easier. I rather quickly dispatched three messages around the 10ish hour to three WG all of whom were foreigners, all through what'sapp, all had good reviews. I typed to all three:

Hi beautiful, looking for an half an hour today between 13:00 and 16:00 are you available?

Have a good day

One didn't receive my message, probably because she had left Sweden. Another didn't reply and a third replied that she was booked for the day.

Here I should give you what emotions run through my head. The feeling of just wanting to get this over with was still strong, this made me sloppy. I was not horny, I wouldn't bother with dressing nicely, I hadn't groomed neither up or down recently, previously I was afraid about the police catching me, the last year the police had done several razzias and caught many folks among them a CEO and a celebrity Paolo Roberto. Now I just couldn't bother to let the police stop me. I was still very attentive of any potential undercover police observing her apartment.

The fourth foreigner I contacted I typed basically the same message but also included a short description of my appearance. She was a girl that arrived about a week ago in Sweden. She had no reviews. She was a natural brunette petite 160cm with A cups. She responded and you can see the conversation for yourself in the screenshoots. I don't know if the fact that I put a description of myself helped to make this arrangement, it seems to have had a positive effect  No but seriously if you include a short description yourself you are probably deemed more serious buyer. You are a better judge than me in this matter.

She replied 11:43 and at that time I was eating lunch at a restaurant. I thought to ask her to meet her at 1330 instead but I didn't want to risk to screw it up so I said I would come. I finished the food quickly, skipped the tea, brushed my teeth and hit the road. The GPS showed a travel from the restaurant to the apartment about 1h20m. I Would be late.

As I was on my way I was excited in anticipation of the event but not that much as you would think a first timer would feel, also the feeling of wanting to get this over with was still strong.

In the car following scenario started to play out in my head. I would walk in confident and begin with

Oh so you are Sofie? You look lovely.

As I would enter I would take off my shoes, I would say:

Is there a place we can sit?

As we would sit I would point to beside me

Come sit here Sofie, I don't bite 

As she would sit beside me I would put my arm around her

What music do you like Sofie?

I would put her prefered put music on my phone, as we would listen, the conversation would continue. That was my idea of starting to build rapport with her. Here is what happened:

By increased speed I would be in time but 10min from the a navigation error put me 10min behind. 12:58 I messaged her apologizing and asking if it was still fine. She said it was Okay.

I parked a bit from her apartment, started to walk towards the address keeping my eyes open for anything that might reveal cop presence - I was ready to pull out on a moments notice, thinking of possible explanation if caught.

When reached the entrance she was not to be seen and the port closed. I didn't dare to stay so I just kept walking, I wrote I arrived in a message. I would walk along the sidewalk and then walk on the other side of the street. She said to come So I came, she was still not there so this time I couldn't just continue to walk I had to wait for here. I hated it, standing outside a port waiting for a WG while the swedish folks strolled nearby, having those articles in swedish newspapers about razzias in my head. After two minutes I couldn't wait anymore I got bit of cold feet and left the apartment port and continued to walk close by. I sat on a bench nearby. Eventually she told me to come again, this time she was waiting. As I saw her far away I remember thinking damn she is small then the thought hit me: "damn I actually buying sex, fucking shit".

She didn't great me outside instead she went inside when I was about 5-7m from the port, as she went in a saw and heard her speaking on the phone, I didn't like that but since I myself was late I didn't think more about it. As I also got inside now I got good view of her face. The make up was minimum just as I happen to like it. I can't decide if she was 6 or 7 so I gave her 6.5, her face was pleasant as I greeted my first hooker. She moved her indexfinger towards her mouth shshshshhh
Was I being hushed? Ha! Definitely not according to plan. She tells me we need to be quite. I completely understand her there have been several articles in swedishpaper about prostitution, the swedish folks are today more attentive of the typical signals of an apartment being used as an brothel in city.

She tells me she will go up through the elevator first then I will go up later separately. So she does, I follow after and enter a small apartment like 20-25 sqm. A couch, a bed, a little table and a mini kitchen. She apologizes as I enter and tells me something about the neighbors. It's obvious she is renting airbnb, she later said that she is only staying in this apartment for only a couple of days. I told her she looks better than her pictures, I feel a responsibility during this whole experience to not be a burden for her.

At this point I like the situation, I am in this cozy small apartment alone with this pleasant looking girl. I go ahead and sit on the couch she sits at the kitchen table in front of me. Here she didn't take any initiative, I hope she doesn't expect me to fuck her straight away? I thought for myself.

So where do you come from?

Ukraine she said without any emotion

Do you speak Russian? I asked in russian hoping for a bit of engagement.

Yes she said smiling. This was the only time I saw her smile, but it was a smile that held irritation.

What more words can I in russian? Yes I know.

How do you feel? I asked using russian again. I can't remember her reaction to that but it wasn't any good I continued try to hold a conversation, failing every time to build any kind of rapport. Horny was the least thing on my mind.

So you want to pay for half an hour?

She was obviously giving me a clear signal.

Yes, yes I said short and completely missing her signal, busy thinking what kind of a miserable situation I have put myself in. Maybe we don't need to fuck maybe we can just talk?

So do you want to begin with a shower giving me another signal.

Yes, it's hot out there I said even though I didn't need one but I have learned that if a an escort suggest a bath you take it. This gave me time to flee from this awkward situation.

But this was the last chance she were going to give me, as I was about to open the door to the bathroom she bluntly said

Can you pay first?

Well guess if I felt stupid? Fucking idiot I thought as I promptly handed her the money. Alone I took time to take a shower, though I could have made it 2 min it probably took more like 10 minutes. Since I failed to hold a conversation with her I felt a presence of stress. I wrapped a towel around my waist and put on my blue shirt. She had dressed to something sexy and put on some music.

She pointed to the towel - why? I am shy I answered. Did she really expect me to be naked already? Fuck me, I don't want to touch this girl.

Can we talk?

This time she gave it a thought before answering me We can talk after

I couldn't just have sex with her so instead I just ignored her sitting at the couch, she sat beside and we started talking about. The conversation was by no means great but it was miles better than our conversation in the beginning, obviously getting paid made her willing to please me. Before it felt like talking to a wall now it actually felt like I was talking to a human. This made the stress gradually fade away replaced by relaxation and confidence. It didn't took me long to take my arm around her.

Then I asked her if I could smell her hair. I leaned me head towards her side, touching her hair and smelling. It smelled nice her hair was really soft as well, I thought to kiss her right there but I chickened out.

The conversation continued I think she was answering a question about what side she stood on the Ukrainian conflict, Putin or ukrainian? Haha

There I just felt it's now or never, I have this pleasant girl in front of me so I leaned over again but this time I kissed her with one big soft slow kiss then another slow soft kiss. Those kisses came from a man that had missed the touch of a girl for seven years. I enjoyed those kisses. Though kissing her lips was not great however, my mustache made it harder, her lips felt hard I don't know if this might means that she have done lip fillers. I love kissing her body much more than kissing her mouth. Those breast while small had really nice brown big nipples, loved taking them in my mouth. We moved to the bed and I enjoyed the foreplay thoroughly, squeezing her breast and bum. She was on top of me my dick bulging through the towel on here vagina. This was the pinnacle of the meeting. Now she decided to get off me and give BJ OWO. But before she did it she sprayed something on my dick and on here pussy. Didn't enjoy the BJ she only shucked the top. My dick remained hard but it wasn't enough to move towards orgasm during her BJ. Then she put on the condom, I was about to have sex with a girl for the first with condom, never used a condom before. As she again moved on top of me we started to fuck, or rather she was doing all the work, I tried to hip thrust her but I couldn't find rhythm with her so I stopped letting her do all the work. It was obvious my dick was getting to little stimulus and was getting smaller and smaller.

She stopped and asked me if I wanted to be on top, I told her I wanted to fuck her from behind. As I was standing behind her her ass was to low to be aligned with my dick. I figured out I had to put a leg on the bed. This lost me a couple of important seconds as my dick was going softer and softer. I think I managed to thrust her twice from behind before it was to soft to fuck. I just feelt ashamed I now knew for fact no more fucking were happening. I should have just told here right then no more is going to happen at this point. Idiot I let her try, she hold my dick rubbing it with her hand failing to make it rise and shine again. she told me to lay on bed and I complied. Since I didn't want to do anything more I just took my arm under her head wanting to finish with a bit of cozy time. She instead move my hand towards her pussy, I considered pulling her pussy with my hands but since I didn't have even a vestige of horniness left I just put my hand back under her head. Then she was like

But the time!?

Fuck I had forgotten about the time, how much time have passed? I will not come I told her honestly. But I want you to before you go, shall I give you a hand job?
No it's ok I told her, she relaxed. But since she brought the time I was far too concerned to just cozy a bit with her a couple of minutes before leaving. I offered here another 500sek making it in total 2000sek this would pay for an hour instead of half an hour which I paid originally. But I didn't have any more cash so I offered her the 500. She told me she was only accepting cash. I told her she must at least be having a PayPal. She reluctantly said yes so I brought my phone then she was like but you will get my details. I didn't argue and just let it be. Since I couldn't transfer her 500 I didn't want her to remind me of time. So I told her I had a nice time and that it wasn't her fault rather it was mine due to lack of experience, though I smiled towards her she probably saw that I was disappointed. I told her I might see her again. I rose from bed and started to dress.

So do you book for today or tomorrow again?

Isn't that a good business girl, wanting to secure another booking while I was there? Haha, I told her we had to see, she said she only would be staying a few days more.

She gave me a quick hug and I left.

Did I overstay? Yes about five minutes, if you count the start as 13:00 as I originally booked then I overstayed 30min as I left around 14:00.

Shortly after I sent her a message thanking her, and later the same evening I asked her about CIM and deepthroat
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Well some closing remarks then.

1. I am obviously bad at fucking, this I knew earlier though, back then I remember my stamina was crap, and anything other than regular hip thrust I was really bad at. This obviously bothered me when I stepped out. A man needs to be able to fuck or he is dysfunctional, though I can blame this on the condom I know this is only part of the reason. Even back then it felt weird to come by fucking. The masturbation has conditioned my body to pop the cherry in state of resting, now I need to condition my body to come while working out, because this is in essence what fucking is, it's much more similar to working out than wanking off. I am pissed on my porn watching, not only because it have made my stamina low in sex, I recognize porn as a source of other bad traits. It's an addiction that I need to deal with. I knew this before, this was just a strong reminder. Then we have the condom issue, I have a circumcised dick which mean my dick head is a bit desensitized compared to uncircumcised dicks, that would be great to last long in bed if you have the stamina however if you put a condom on circumcised dick the stimulus will be very low. Is it even possible to cum with a condom for me? Well I have a bit of googling to do. But until then no porn, my goal is that next time I cum it will be with a girl, most likely paid.

2. Will I see more WGs? Maybe, if I do it will be to bring me a good closure. Or it would be to do a bit of training. I need to learn how to fuck, I wouldn't think of marrying if I can't fuck. I rather live a hermit than to live with a girl I can't fuck properly.

3. Do I still want to fuck a ten? You bet I am. If I was offered to fuck a WG ten I would do it tomorrow and I would do it with no hesitation prepared to pay a big chunk of money. In my beauty scale a ten is very very rare like 1 in ten thousand. Couple of years ago I worked as a substitute teacher, I met many many students, thousands upon thousands of students and only once did I teach a class where a girl was so beautiful I had to focus away to look away. A flawless turkic beauty that made my heart rate increase. Fucking mesmerizing. Though she was too young back then today she is probably around 18-20 years, I would be prepared to pay a fortune to experience her. I understand that there are more factors than this but for me the beauty of the girl is the most important thing. Some argue that a hole is a hole, to me you sound very much like an addict and I am not about to replace one addiction with another. My second priority after the looks are connected with the girl. Obviously the best thing is being lovers but this is not gonna happen, the next best thing is a true friendship, then a superficial friendship. A superficial friendship probably could and does happen a lot with WGs. However a true friendship is probably near impossible with the vast majority of the WG, most WG would just cut you off afraid that you starting to get too attached to her. This is one of the main reasons I now have left the idea of spending much on WG instead I will save up to the sugar babies. With SBs it is more normal and even expected for an emotional connection, for this reason alone I consider WGs and SBs to be completely two different categories. Also it's easier to find hot SBs than hot WGs. For roughly every 100 ads I found one that was at least a 9, that is much better than WGs I bet.

[daviemac]

If you are looking for an exciting report please don't read further, this is anything but exciting, if you however want to read a very detailed report from a complete beginner, here we go:

Don't know why you are posting private messages between the two of you, apart from that I couldn't be bothered to read all of that, are you related to Tolstoy by any chance.   

If it took place in Sweden what use is it to us in the UK, that is if it took place at all.

[alabama1]

Don't know why you are posting private messages between the two of you, apart from that I couldn't be bothered to read all of that, are you related to Tolstoy by any chance.   

If it took place in Sweden what use is it to us in the UK, that is if it took place at all.

I am impressed that you bothered to read any of it ! 

[daviemac]

I am impressed that you bothered to read any of it ! 

From what I gleaned from it is he wanted to pay a fortune for a 30 minute booking but wanted to spend time 'getting to know' her.   

Without a doubt a тролль. 

[RAJEC]

From what I gleaned from it is he wanted to pay a fortune for a 30 minute booking but wanted to spend time 'getting to know' her.   

Without a doubt a тролль.

He’s definitely a troll.

Clearly needs attention, but perhaps the medical/psychological type.

[The0neAnd0nly]

In summary he paid around £170 for an hour with a 6.5 out of 10 Ukrainian girl and didnt come.

So much for all that Billy Big Bollocks talk in his first few messages. Welcome to the real world of punting pal. Think you've got severe issues or just a troll

[JustaPunter]

Cool story brah🤣🤣

You have to love Half Term

[Payyourwaymate]

If you are looking for an exciting report please don't read further, this is anything but exciting, if you however want to read a very detailed report from a complete beginner, here we go:

I read all of your report, brought tears to my eyes. You Sir, are a top hall of fame member on this site in my eyes now on. True legend, undisputed champion 😭😭😭😭🤧🤧🤧😭😭😭😭😭😭  .

[Thephoenix]

Blimey Charlie!....even speed reading made me go gozzy.

I hope you're not asking questions to see if we've read it all.

[tynetunnel]

Before you start you should know I am 30 years old, only had one sexual partner, and that was around 7 years ago. And even then I only fucked her like 4-5 times

Those two sentences explain so much 

[golden bull]

Those two sentences explain so much 

Definitely a closet gay and he doesn’t realise it yet. Problem solved OP no need to thank me. A cock or two and you’ll be fine but leave cim for now unless you want to dive in at the deep end.

[Payyourwaymate]

Definitely a closet gay and he doesn’t realise it yet. Problem solved OP no need to thank me. A cock or two and you’ll be fine but leave cim for now unless you want to dive in at the deep end.

I don't think he is. As much as a of a character he is, there are many men like him. All you need to do is go to an Incel forum and you will see. OP is not alone in his situation, there is a surprisingly increasing amount of men like him. It is very easy for a young man to fall prey to Inceldom these days. I browsed an Incel forum once and the characters I witnessed, make OP look normal, does no one remember Elliot Rodgers....the supreme gentleman?

[golden bull]

  payyourway…. Thanks for educating me. I didn’t know what the feck you was talking about and just did a quick google.
Never heard of the term and after a quick read your prognosis seems correct….or he’s gay😁

[hendrix]

I don't think he is. As much as a of a character he is, there are many men like him. All you need to do is go to an Incel forum and you will see. OP is not alone in his situation, there is a surprisingly increasing amount of men like him. It is very easy for a young man to fall prey to Inceldom these days. I browsed an Incel forum once and the characters I witnessed, make OP look normal, does no one remember Elliot Rodgers....the supreme gentleman?

Yep, that's my reading of it.

[daviemac]

I don't think he is. As much as a of a character he is, there are many men like him. All you need to do is go to an Incel forum and you will see. OP is not alone in his situation, there is a surprisingly increasing amount of men like him. It is very easy for a young man to fall prey to Inceldom these days. I browsed an Incel forum once and the characters I witnessed, make OP look normal, does no one remember Elliot Rodgers....the supreme gentleman?

He may well have relationship issues but if so he is on the wrong forum to seek advice regarding it.

However I still say troll, he's moving the goalposts all the time, he started off wanting to meet 3 expensive escorts to end up with a one off overnight then leave punting alone. he signed up here to ask where he could find his 'perfect 10'.

Next post insults the members here regarding 'high end' prossies and our lack of understanding of their 'social skills' despite the fact he has no experience himself.

It's only today, just as interest was waning, he's upped the anti and mentioned his past.

[yandex]

Troll would imply deliberately winding up the forum for the sake of a reaction. He's a fantasist, although it probably amounts to the same thing in this case, especially as he's basically chosen to call any of the advice he asked for, and doesn't like, BS.

Time to wave goodbye

[Alabastern]

Having fun discussing what label best suits me? Maybe I am a gay? Troll? Incel? In fact I am neither of these things, Troll would not only imply that I did all these just for the sake of reaction Troll also implies low energy outputs, trolls dont write fucking novels.

Incel? A better attempt, If you define incel as an involutary celibat than most guys here would be incels, by that definition I would understand if someone labeled me that, however incel are often times meant a very specific subset of singles. Most importantly their charestic is hate the singlehood have made them bitter filled wth hate, hate towards themselves, the society and most importantly towards women. Have I shown a lot of hate huh?  You are smartare than most but dont think too much of your analytical capacity.


Surprise surprise Yandex was closest, but even yandex is not quit right. Fantasist had an element of truth, I however acknowledged the point and since did something, calling me fantasist is not quite right anymore. Also yandex might have skipped my novel and missed that I didnt just acknowledge the BS, I also acknowledge the thoughtful advices. More importantly I acted upon advices given in the thread.

I just a freespoken dude that started this thread honest and left this thread honest, I might have gone overboard, bit obsessed of a ten girl, I bit of obsessive about the details. But this doesnt make me neither a troll or incel, it just make me a perfectionist whom struggles more than most with finding balance in life.

I agree with yandex its time to say good bye to this thread 

[isaac_gauss]

Even if I'm the only one to do it, I'll congratulate OP. You went from fantasy and talk to action, hopefully gaining some insight from this contact with reality. I admit I didn't thoroughly read your account, but I got the sense that it was as awkward and anticlimactic as my first few times, as someone of similar age and inexperience.

You've identified your use of porn and masturbation as an issue negatively affecting your sexual performance. I certainly relate, as can plenty of guys our age who grew up online. (But not as many older ones. I believe the UKPunting demographic skews older.) So good luck with recovery.

Your stated goal, getting good at fucking, is a noble one. It sucks that the best way (or even perhaps the only way) for someone in your situation to learn this is illegal, but good on you for having the balls to do it anyway.

[Payyourwaymate]

He may well have relationship issues but if so he is on the wrong forum to seek advice regarding it.

However I still say troll, he's moving the goalposts all the time, he started off wanting to meet 3 expensive escorts to end up with a one off overnight then leave punting alone. he signed up here to ask where he could find his 'perfect 10'.

Next post insults the members here regarding 'high end' prossies and our lack of understanding of their 'social skills' despite the fact he has no experience himself.

It's only today, just as interest was waning, he's upped the anti and mentioned his past.

That is true, I remember I warned him after his first post he may just end up labelled as an Incel troll. You are right, he is deffo in the wrong place to be seeking advice. His problem is psychological, he needs to see a psychologist and therapy to heal from the mental self harm he has probably put himself through all those years of not having sex and his warped perceptions. Paying for sex will not help him solve his issues, I am not sure if you saw in his long report of the meeting he said there's no point him getting married if he cannot fuck properly. In what world are those two variables correlated I wonder  .

[Alabastern]

Even if I'm the only one to do it, I'll congratulate OP. You went from fantasy and talk to action, hopefully gaining some insight from this contact with reality. I admit I didn't thoroughly read your account, but I got the sense that it was as awkward and anticlimactic as my first few times, as someone of similar age and inexperience.

You've identified your use of porn and masturbation as an issue negatively affecting your sexual performance. I certainly relate, as can plenty of guys our age who grew up online. (But not as many older ones. I believe the UKPunting demographic skews older.) So good luck with recovery.

Your stated goal, getting good at fucking, is a noble one. It sucks that the best way (or even perhaps the only way) for someone in your situation to learn this is illegal, but good on you for having the balls to do it anyway.

I think I needed to hear that.

Cheers mate

[daviemac]

I think I needed to hear that.

Cheers mate

Did this meeting take place in London then.   

[RAJEC]

I think I needed to hear that.

Cheers mate

 

[daviemac]

I think I needed to hear that.

Cheers mate

You're back online, can you answer the question please. Did this booking take place in London.