Eurovision... NIL points!!!☹️

[golden bull]

Was it that bad a song or does this mean Europe hates us post Brexit?

[WARSZAWA16]

Was it that bad a song or does this mean Europe hates us post Brexit?

Both.

[JontyR]

Was it that bad a song or does this mean Europe hates us post Brexit?

They hated us before that.

Seemed like a nice guy, song was passable but nothing special. He slunk off the tune a few times too, not Jemini bad but there were a lot of really good songs, some really good energetic performances, some excellent vocals too.

Thought there was much less political voting tonight, Germany only got three points, mind you their song/performance was only one of two that I thought was worse than ours. Suprised Israel got as many points as they did.

[Colston36]

Was it that bad a song or does this mean Europe hates us post Brexit?

There seem to have been a lot of really good looking/sexy acts - then this overweight comic figure comes on. I don't think ordinary music fans get as excited about Brexit as many here do. I'm bored with it, aren't you?

[mr.bluesky]

Didn't watch it until late on but tuned in just to watch the voting. That Dutch presenter in the silver dress looked faf as did the French singer. Italy won it . If that was the best song then the others must have been bloody awful. The guitar player looked like a young Suzi Quatro. Every body in Europe hates us so we are always going to finish last with nil points. Haven't got a clue what UK's song was like as I've never seen or heard it. The BBC must plough a lot of money into this dross as we are always one of the country's that are seeded through to the final yet year after year we finish bottom with very few or nil points. All the Baltic countries vote for each other and so do all the Nordic countries . It's about time the Beeb saved the license payers money and pulled out of it. No doubt it will be exactly the same next year. United Kingdom nil points. Europe have always hated us even before Brexit. The UK entry just looked like some fat chav who just turned up in his tracksuit to sing.

[Jumping Jack Flash]

James Newman is a talented songwriter, the list of acts that he’s written for is impressive.

Embers is a good tune but it would have been better if James had stuck to the song writing and let a singer with some stage presence and panache perform it instead.

[standardpostage]

Maybe UK just needs to employ better songwriters ? Plus song sung by someone young and sexy. (with a good voice).
It is much harder to win nowadays, about 10 countries when first started in 1956, now there are about 40 countries.
We need a modern version of Sandie Shaw   

[mr.bluesky]

Maybe UK just needs to employ better songwriters ? Plus song sung by someone young and sexy. (with a good voice).
It is much harder to win nowadays, about 10 countries when first started in 1956, now there are about 40 countries.
We need a modern version of Sandie Shaw   

Showing your age now standardpostage  most people on here have probably never heard of Sandy Shaw

[standardpostage]

Showing your age now standardpostage  most people on here have probably never heard of Sandy Shaw

Yes your right, when Sandie won I was a very horny teenager, and Sandie was very good looking 

[puntingking]

I watched the first semi finals and I liked the Ireland song called "maps" but you know its Ireland and no one votes for them or us in eurovision because its political. Eurovision it's not about the songs. They vote on their nearest neighbours or the country in which they like politically.
It is nothing about musically. Sometimes and actually pretty much all the time a bad song does well better than a very good song. Eurovision do create very good songs in 3 minutes. They create catchy pop songs that if they didn't release it for eurovision but release it on the radio or in a studio or in a record company they would be number one hits hands down.

I have watched eurovision lots of times through the years and not because of the voting but because I am a big music geek and I crave for good music and they do make some good music. That being said they have also made some really awful songs over the years as well 

I also did watch the final of this years eurovision but as always like every year I turn it off for the voting.

[mr.bluesky]

I have watched eurovision lots of times through the years and not because of the voting but because I am a big music geek and I crave for good music and they do make some good music. That being said they have also made some really awful songs over the years as well

You crave good music. I very much doubt you will see much on Eurovision then. Let's be honest the only stand out songs from the past 50 years or so of the show is Waterloo by Abba or making your mind up by Bucks fizz the rest have been instantly forgettable . The voting is the best part of the show especially when Graham Norton is doing the commentary but even he seemed to have toned it down this year for fear of upsetting the PC brigade and snowflakes

[puntingking]

You crave good music. I very much doubt you will see much on Eurovision then. Let's be honest the only stand out songs from the past 50 years or so of the show is Waterloo by Abba or making your mind up by Bucks fizz the rest have been instantly forgettable .

I beg to differ. There has been great pop songs. I have only been watching eurovision for the past ten years. I am not big fans with ABBA actually.

I like songs such as a million voices from Russia, what if from 2013, marry me, war for nothing, last of our kind, shine from Russia, no prejudice from Iceland, etc. 

[puntingking]

You crave good music. I very much doubt you will see much on Eurovision then. Let's be honest the only stand out songs from the past 50 years or so of the show is Waterloo by Abba or making your mind up by Bucks fizz the rest have been instantly forgettable . The voting is the best part of the show especially when Graham Norton is doing the commentary but even he seemed to have toned it down this year for fear of upsetting the PC brigade and snowflakes

All mainstream media is like this though. It goes over my head. I don't watch alot of mainstream TV for this reason.

[smiths]

Was it that bad a song or does this mean Europe hates us post Brexit?

Eurovision is a load of old cobblers in my book, some countries vote on political grounds which I wont go into as its a banned subject on here. So its not about how good or bad a song is for some of the voting.

[David1970]

Eurovision is a load of old cobblers in my book, some countries vote on political grounds which I wont go into as its a banned subject on here. So its not about how good or bad a song is for some of the voting.

Got to agree Eurovision is crap, countries vote for their neighbours and friends and the UK has none so it’s fucked, but to be honest we produce shit songs for it which does not help. I believe the UK is one of five countries who bank roll Eurovision via the licence fee, we should pull the plug on it.

[VolapUK]

If we think the EU is boycotting us because we lost that rubbish Eurovision contest, what will we think when we lose a World Cup? 

[David1970]

If we think the EU is boycotting us because we lost that rubbish Eurovision contest, what will we think when we lose a World Cup? 

Who said the EU was boycotting us, no one in Europe gave us a point not just EU countries.

[smiths]

Got to agree Eurovision is crap, countries vote for their neighbours and friends and the UK has none so it’s fucked, but to be honest we produce shit songs for it which does not help. I believe the UK is one of five countries who bank roll Eurovision via the licence fee, we should pull the plug on it.

Bank roll it out of my licence fee, I was not aware of that, I shall contact the BBC to complain, that certainly shouldn't be happening if the case.

There have been some good UK songs on it in the past but I wouldn't know if songs in recent years were good in my book or not as I don't follow it at all.

[smiths]

Who said the EU was boycotting us, no one in Europe gave us a point not just EU countries.

Arent there a couple of countries outside Europe who appear in it as well, Israel and Australia, I know Israel was in it at 1 time, I assume they get a vote.

[David1970]

Arent there a couple of countries outside Europe who appear in it as well, Israel and Australia, I know Israel was in it at 1 time, I assume they get a vote.

You are correct, so not only did all European countries participating give us nil points but also Israel and Australia.

[southcoastpunter]

There has been a lot of "political/regional" voting and "anti UK" voting for quite a few years now - but having said that, our entry songs have also been crap for the last 15+ years too so we can't complain too much!

[David1970]

There has been a lot of "political/regional" voting and "anti UK" voting for quite a few years now - but having said that, our entry songs have also been crap for the last 15+ years too so we can't complain too much!

Why don’t we just leave Eurovision, admit we are crap at it and will never win with the voting system?

[mikecee]

Yes your right, when Sandie won I was a very horny teenager, and Sandie was very good looking 

Plus the fact that people with a foot fetish didn't have to take any shoes off.

[golden bull]

All true, I’m aware it’s all political bullshit, ie, Greece always vote for Cyprus and vice versa etc. The songs are often cheesy too and to be absolutely honest, the only reason I watch it is to look at the ladies from other European countries and often than not my head is thinking “ I would”😍😋

[David1970]

All true, I’m aware it’s all political bullshit, ie, Greece always vote for Cyprus and vice versa etc. The songs are often cheesy too and to be absolutely honest, the only reason I watch it is to look at the ladies from other European countries and often than not my head is thinking “ I would”😍😋

Why not make Eurovision enjoyable, ever time you see a lady you fancy have a drink, it will dull the pain of watching it.

[JontyR]

I thought it was a good entertainment show, there were acts for everyone and you could see those that set out to appeal to a specific demographic. Certainly have no issue with some money going towards it, I bet it is amongst the cheapest 3 hours of Saturday night entertainment that there are all year on the BBC.

Also interesting to see how many opinions there are telling me what it's like but they didn't watch it!

Yes, there were a couple of blatant neighbour votes but they stood out simply because they were so few compared to previous years. I scored the whole thing based purely on the act and not the country, I had 8 of the top 11. And bottom 7 were all in my bottom 10.

The two I got very wrong were Azerbaijan who did much worse than I placed them, Switzerland (my note said that it was a good song but too much like a film soundtrack finale and it won't score well with the public as there isn't a narrative) who did much better than I predicted (but didn't win because of a lowish public score)

I think that there are some flaws in the system of voting, I think that those songs that go later now have a significant advantage as they are fresh in the mind when voting. And also there are certain songs tat may do better if there weren't better songs of a similar genre. Bulgaria may have done better if France hadn't also done a (better) balladic song. The other metal act you can ditto with Italy.

[george r]

More shit TV !! They never liked us and since Brexit and Covid / jabs fiasco even less so they can get fucked !!

[threechilliman]

More shit TV !! They never liked us and since Brexit and Covid / jabs fiasco even less so they can get fucked !!

That sounds fair enough to me!!

[Gordon Bennett]

I resent 1p of my licence fee going towards this drivel. It's a load of shit with a veneer of camp queerness smeared on it which kind of makes it immune from questioning. In my whole life I only know 3 people who watch it and genuinely get excited by it.

[Jonestown]

The UK is world class when it comes to popular music, Europe on the other hand is rubbish, with the best of their tunes / artists only gaining any creditability 30/40 years after they are published.

[mr.bluesky]

 Time to leave this totally pointless competition.

[mr.bluesky]

I resent 1p of my licence fee going towards this drivel. It's a load of shit with a veneer of camp queerness smeared on it which kind of makes it immune from questioning. In my whole life I only know 3 people who watch it and genuinely get excited by it.

And two of them have posted comments on here 

[JontyR]

I resent 1p of my licence fee going towards this drivel. It's a load of shit with a veneer of camp queerness smeared on it which kind of makes it immune from questioning. In my whole life I only know 3 people who watch it and genuinely get excited by it.

And 1p is almost exactly about how much does go towards it. (BBC contribution to Eurovision (310K) / (turnover of BBC(£4.9bn)/cost of license fee(£155))).

I don't think it's beyond question though - there's plenty of chatter about it all over. You could reasonably suggest that the Beeb in selecting poor entry followed by poor entry is trying to engineer our departure.
 

[Fac51]

The UK is world class when it comes to popular music, Europe on the other hand is rubbish, with the best of their tunes / artists only gaining any creditability 30/40 years after they are published.

Agreed 👍

The EUROPEAN bunch are just jealous of our superior music in the UK  (plus how successful our industry has been over the years)

Eurovision = Load of Toss. I'd rather watch paint dry 

[WorcWarrior]

Was it that bad a song or does this mean Europe hates us post Brexit?

They probably hate us because we pay all of they’re young exports to suck our cocks

[JamesKW]

Was it that bad a song or does this mean Europe hates us post Brexit?

No country wins it that often,even the mighty Irish rarely qualify nowdays,I think Italy have waited 30 years for a win,other than the winner, no other position matters anyway whether you get nil points or 200 points.
Personally I  think we should enter Morrisey who wanted to do it one year.

[mh]

The UK song and performance deserved zero. If it was just about being punished for Brexit then why did the non-EU countries agree that it deserved nothing?

I read a convincing thread on Twitter about how the UK keeps selecting songs that might have won the competition 20+ years ago, but are the antithesis of winning songs since 2000 in key, tempo, type of act (group vs solo), spectacle - just about everything in fact. If we're going to play the game then we need to look at what wins and why.

I rarely watch it, but a lot of people get enjoyment out of it and it isn't to get behind a UK entry. I watched this year as my OH was in a watch party with some friends. I suggested during the performances that Switzerland and Israel would do well and they did. I was almost right when I said Germany would get zero - they got 3, but I got it badly wrong on France - I thought it had a chance of zero points too yet it came second. And as for winners Italy - well that caught me out too. I said it had a chance of points because I'd seen heavy rock do well in previous years but I thought it was a parody and hated it.

[Lou2019]

Dated and pointless that's my pennies worth

[billybob69]

Personally I  think we should enter Morrisey who wanted to do it one year.

I think that next years entry should be a rendition of the Millwall chant "no one likes us, we don't care"

[JontyR]

I think that next years entry should be a rendition of the Millwall chant "no one likes us, we don't care"

To be fair if we could keep it in tune it would be a better bet than this years performance.

I reckon a good bet would be to try and invoke a proper 70's glam rock vibe. Get Roy Wood or Jeff Lynne or someone to pen something suitable and get some overly made up nubile blonde in a shiny leotard fronting it (and she actually has some decent pipes on her)  with some ridiculously overdressed blokes looking like extras from Buck Rogers in the band behind her. 

Not my cup of tea, but the kind of thing that actually may appeal across the continent and be different to the rest of the fayre on offer.

I'm sure Colston could put this together.

[Colston36]

To be fair if we could keep it in tune it would be a better bet than this years performance.

I reckon a good bet would be to try and invoke a proper 70's glam rock vibe. Get Roy Wood or Jeff Lynne or someone to pen something suitable and get some overly made up nubile blonde in a shiny leotard fronting it (and she actually has some decent pipes on her)  with some ridiculously overdressed blokes looking like extras from Buck Rogers in the band behind her. 

Not my cup of tea, but the kind of thing that actually may appeal across the continent and be different to the rest of the fayre on offer.

I'm sure Colston could put this together.

You flatter me, my dear chap. As chance would have it 5 members of my family have been or in two cases still are in the music business.

The one area where I disagree with many comments is this obsession that people in Europe hate us. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. I have worked in most European countries and lived for a while in France.

People dislike noisy drunken Brits just as much as we hate drunken soccer thugs at home - and just as everyone dislikes bossy Germans. Nature not nationality determines how people feel about each other.

Meanwhile on more important matters I am more interested in a joyous return to utter filth tomorrow - and even more next week with a delightfully depraved young couple. 

[mh]

I reckon a good bet would be to try and invoke a proper 70's glam rock vibe. Get Roy Wood or Jeff Lynne or someone to pen something suitable and get some overly made up nubile blonde in a shiny leotard fronting it (and she actually has some decent pipes on her)  with some ridiculously overdressed blokes looking like extras from Buck Rogers in the band behind her.

Looking backward is a waste of time. Playing safe is a waste of time. It's about an extravagant celebration of music and performance, that doesn't mean it has to be penned by 70s throwbacks.

The trouble is a song that wins the UK's qualification mechanism is too dreary for the competition itself.

[Malvolio]

Picking someone who can sing would be a start.

[NelsonH]

It seems to me that in the UK, successful writers and performers of currently popular songs, don't want to face the career damage that entering this risky contest could generate.

They have everything to loose and nothing to gain.
So you just get chancers and also-rans.

But if you are from a country with an underdeveloped music industry then this could be a route up for you.

[standardpostage]

Who's going to win this year ?

Any suggestions ?

Bookmakers predict Ukraine !

[mr.bluesky]

Who's going to win this year ?

Any suggestions ?

Bookmakers predict Ukraine !

I bet we finish last.

[puntingking]

Who's going to win this year ?

Any suggestions ?

Bookmakers predict Ukraine !

Sympathy votes   

If they do win it obviously won't be nothing to do with their song.
I don't even know what their song is.

[JontyR]

Sympathy votes   

If they do win it obviously won't be nothing to do with their song.
I don't even know what their song is.

Whereas you do know everyone else's?

It will be interesting though as there is a political element to the voting. Although there will almost certainly a wish to support Ukraine I'll be interested to see if those thast would normally align with Russia continue to do so to the same extent.

[scutty brown]

So who've we got this year?
Toyah & Fripp would have been a good choice

[chrishornx]

Sympathy votes   

If they do win it obviously won't be nothing to do with their song.
I don't even know what their song is.

it may not be anything to do with their song but I got them at 20/1 late february so here's hoping