Tipjar

[King Nuts]

No, I had never heard of it either. But now that our lords and masters have permitted us to enter licensed premises, it seems to have appeared out of nowhere.

Went in my local Brewdog for the first time in yonks the other day. Am going to have get used to the bollocks of dealing with some app or other, just to get in. That's bad enough. But when the bill came, payment was by card only. No cash. Not hugely bothered about that, but then when I asked the comely waitress if a tip could be added on the card machine, she said it couldn't. She couldn't take a tip in cash either. I'd have to tip via an app called Tipjar. So there was more dicking around with my phone, getting an app, filling in all my details, and after all that, I found out that Tipjar had added their own tip (around 11 per cent) to my tip. It's a fucking outrage.

There are many tech 'solutions' these days, but most seem to be solutions to nonexistent problems. it's almost as if these people don't want us to go into their bar, or tip their staff. Meanwhile, I'll choose somewhere else for an after-work drink. I like to go somewhere like Brewdog for a drink and to unwind, not to be staring at and jabbing away at a screen, only to get the piss taken when you get a bill on top of the actual bill.

[sir wanksalot]

Either they accept cash or a gratuity on the credit card or they're not getting any tip from me.

Sometimes apps are not always convenient. I am sick and tired of having to download a new app when I have to park in a car park I haven't visited before. You would think there would be 1, maybe 2, apps that cover the country and that's that.

[Yankee21]

Most POS we use in our F&B allow you to add 5/10/15% discretionary gratuity.

Not sure what Brewdog are playing at

[standardpostage]

Never heard of TiPJAR. Thanks for warning. Sounds like a ripoff.

No BrewDog where I live. Small town in Lancashire.

Went to Everyman cinema this week. No cash taken, card only payments, and they want name and contact details.

It's a ball-ache going out at the moment.

[willie loman]

just about every human activity has become ridiculously complicated, borrow a book, go on line,book a slot, ditto go for a swim, yesterday my local swimming pool wanted me to participate in track and trace so i could have a pee, yet their staff were incapable of helping me download the app etc, after the scan failed, went to tescoes for a pee.incidentally you are not allowed to use soap when you shower after  the pool, the lunatics have taken over the asylum. mind you small price to pay to avoid millions of casualties, food shortages etc, riots and so on.

[David1970]

I went to my local library, gave them my name and phone number for track and trace, which they wrote down. Picked a book they scanned and stamped it as usual, I left with it, no problem. Went for a meal, paid by credit card as I always do, social distancing and they cleaned the table, no problem to me.
Things are different but we are living in a pandemic wish people would not moan just for of the sake of it.

[willie loman]

I went to my local library, gave them my name and phone number for track and trace, which they wrote down. Picked a book they scanned and stamped it as usual, I left with it, no problem. Went for a meal, paid by credit card as I always do, social distancing and they cleaned the table, no problem to me.
Things are different but we are living in a pandemic wish people would not moan just for of the sake of it.

i am glad you are having a positive experience, up here we have to book on line, for everything, there is actually no need at all for this palaver, no one is moaning for the sake of it, lets just have some common sense before we all go down the pan, we have wasted millions ,that we cant afford.people like you are enjoying your wee bit of power.

[lillythesavage]

i am glad you are having a positive experience, up here we have to book on line, for everything, there is actually no need at all for this palaver, no one is moaning for the sake of it, lets just have some common sense before we all go down the pan, we have wasted millions ,that we cant afford.people like you are enjoying your wee bit of power.

I always thought it was illegal to refuse cash but just done a bit of reading on the subject. In Scotland only coins are legal tender, notes are not but still legal.

The law seems to be they can refuse cash and insist on card providing their is no discrimination on race or disability grounds. How on gods earth that works I have no idea.

What if you have drunk your beer or ate your meal, or both, and say you do not have a card, they will soon take your cash. So leave the card in your pocket, problem solved on bill paying.

I used the self serve checkout at the supermarket this week, a different new one, usually they take cash but this one did not, the bod manning them for fuck ups took my cash to the till and came back with my change.

The moral of the story is just say you do not have a card, they will take your cash, even McDonalds will, paid cash after using the automatic ordering screen, they are not going to piss off and lose customers. Just bring up discrimination if they do.

Ever had the feeling that using all these damn apps and cards for everything your life is being tracked and you are being kept indoors? Some people never go out for a bag of chips ffs, let alone shopping, or to the pub or restaurant, there is an app for that. Need new shoes, online for that. Everything online or apps, even used cars now with a 7 day money back guarantee in the ads, when the law says 14. Why will you need a car though? You can do everything by app from your prison. Minions in vans or on scooters will bring everything you need.

We are sleepwalking into giving big business control of our lives, every time you sign up and use these apps rich shareholders get richer while the minions service them on a pittance, Soon we will never be allowed or need to leave the drum other than work and that will be as a minion for big business, there will be nothing else, computers will do that.

Progress is always good though 

[lillythesavage]

Either they accept cash or a gratuity on the credit card or they're not getting any tip from me.

Sometimes apps are not always convenient. I am sick and tired of having to download a new app when I have to park in a car park I haven't visited before. You would think there would be 1, maybe 2, apps that cover the country and that's that.

Check your bill before leaving a tip, table service has given them the opportunity to add a service charge to every bill, even just for a few pints.

[David1970]

people like you are enjoying your wee bit of power.

What wee bit of power do people like me have over all this?

[Cupid Stuntz]

I always thought it was illegal to refuse cash but just done a bit of reading on the subject. In Scotland only coins are legal tender, notes are not but still legal.

The law seems to be they can refuse cash and insist on card providing their is no discrimination on race or disability grounds. How on gods earth that works I have no idea.

What if you have drunk your beer or ate your meal, or both, and say you do not have a card, they will soon take your cash. So leave the card in your pocket, problem solved on bill paying.

I used the self serve checkout at the supermarket this week, a different new one, usually they take cash but this one did not, the bod manning them for fuck ups took my cash to the till and came back with my change.

The moral of the story is just say you do not have a card, they will take your cash, even McDonalds will, paid cash after using the automatic ordering screen, they are not going to piss off and lose customers. Just bring up discrimination if they do.

Ever had the feeling that using all these damn apps and cards for everything your life is being tracked and you are being kept indoors? Some people never go out for a bag of chips ffs, let alone shopping, or to the pub or restaurant, there is an app for that. Need new shoes, online for that. Everything online or apps, even used cars now with a 7 day money back guarantee in the ads, when the law says 14. Why will you need a car though? You can do everything by app from your prison. Minions in vans or on scooters will bring everything you need.

We are sleepwalking into giving big business control of our lives, every time you sign up and use these apps rich shareholders get richer while the minions service them on a pittance, Soon we will never be allowed or need to leave the drum other than work and that will be as a minion for big business, there will be nothing else, computers will do that.

Progress is always good though 

Hear, hear. Totally agree. Big Brother is here to stay and he's only going to get bigger and more controlling.

I try to keep on top of technology though, you need to.

Went to an indoor do last week and even my late thirties companion was cursing about using the app to order drinks.

Thank fuck for the memories of growing up in the sixties when cash or cheques ruled, there was no CCTV, internet ad nauseum and you could 'go to ground' easily.

 

[Boristheboy]

I always thought it was illegal to refuse cash but just done a bit of reading on the subject. In Scotland only coins are legal tender, notes are not but still legal.

The law seems to be they can refuse cash and insist on card providing their is no discrimination on race or disability grounds. How on gods earth that works I have no idea.

In England, fiat money (i.e. Bank of England notes) cannot be refused for payment of an already incurred debt, such as a meal you have already eaten. They can be refused for a service you want but are not already in debt for, such as a meal that hasn't been served to you at the time of payment.
Note that not all legal tender is fiat, for example Bank of Scotland notes are legal tender in England but not fiat and therefore can legally be refused in all circumstances.

[Chooser]

Hilarious typo(s)!! Try Ford money next time??? 

[King Nuts]

What wee bit of power do people like me have over all this?

There's quite a lot you can do.

1. Pay for stuff with cash wherever you can.
2. Switch your mobile off when you're not using it and don't take it with you every single time you go out.
3. Cancel any and all social media accounts or subscriptions you have. We all managed perfectly well before Facebooktwitter came along.
4. Don't vote. Ever.
5. Don't get a smart meter for your gas and electric
6. Drive as much as possible and if you have to get a train, bus or tube, pay in cash.

Stating the bleedin' obvious I know, but electronic payments and surveillance all point to the same place. Maybe we can't stop it but we can make sure it slows down and doesn't work so well.

In a few short years, the last of my kids will have fled the nest, and I will hopefully be able to retire. I am going as off-grid as I can at that point. Will use proxies where necessary. Of course, I still need a bank account and utility bills need paying, but there's a lot you can do to reduce the amount of tracking.

[David1970]

There's quite a lot you can do.

1. Pay for stuff with cash wherever you can.
2. Switch your mobile off when you're not using it and don't take it with you every single time you go out.
3. Cancel any and all social media accounts or subscriptions you have. We all managed perfectly well before Facebooktwitter came along.
4. Don't vote. Ever.
5. Don't get a smart meter for your gas and electric
6. Drive as much as possible and if you have to get a train, bus or tube, pay in cash.

Stating the bleedin' obvious I know, but electronic payments and surveillance all point to the same place. Maybe we can't stop it but we can make sure it slows down and doesn't work so well.

In a few short years, the last of my kids will have fled the nest, and I will hopefully be able to retire. I am going as off-grid as I can at that point. Will use proxies where necessary. Of course, I still need a bank account and utility bills need paying, but there's a lot you can do to reduce the amount of tracking.

1 Find it easier to pay by card
2 Need my phone on for work 24/7
3 Don’t do social media so no problem ( except UKPunting).
4 Always vote, people died so I had the right to vote, if you don’t vote you don’t have the right to complain.
5 Would never have a smart meter.
6 Never use public transport unless I am abroad.

Can I ask why you are on the internet if you are trying to avoid tracking?

[RedKettle]

There's quite a lot you can do.

1. Pay for stuff with cash wherever you can.
2. Switch your mobile off when you're not using it and don't take it with you every single time you go out.
3. Cancel any and all social media accounts or subscriptions you have. We all managed perfectly well before Facebooktwitter came along.
4. Don't vote. Ever.
5. Don't get a smart meter for your gas and electric
6. Drive as much as possible and if you have to get a train, bus or tube, pay in cash.

Stating the bleedin' obvious I know, but electronic payments and surveillance all point to the same place. Maybe we can't stop it but we can make sure it slows down and doesn't work so well.

In a few short years, the last of my kids will have fled the nest, and I will hopefully be able to retire. I am going as off-grid as I can at that point. Will use proxies where necessary. Of course, I still need a bank account and utility bills need paying, but there's a lot you can do to reduce the amount of tracking.

I really do not get this fear of being tracked etc from apps, mobiles etc.

As for not voting that is in my opinion disgraceful, people have died to get and maintain the right to vote. 

[David1970]

There's quite a lot you can do.

2. Switch your mobile off when you're not using it and don't take it with you every single time you go out.

Did you not start a thread about people not answering their phones when you phone?

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=296894.0

[lamboman]

There's quite a lot you can do.

1. Pay for stuff with cash wherever you can.
2. Switch your mobile off when you're not using it and don't take it with you every single time you go out.
3. Cancel any and all social media accounts or subscriptions you have. We all managed perfectly well before Facebooktwitter came along.
4. Don't vote. Ever.
5. Don't get a smart meter for your gas and electric
6. Drive as much as possible and if you have to get a train, bus or tube, pay in cash.

Stating the bleedin' obvious I know, but electronic payments and surveillance all point to the same place. Maybe we can't stop it but we can make sure it slows down and doesn't work so well.

In a few short years, the last of my kids will have fled the nest, and I will hopefully be able to retire. I am going as off-grid as I can at that point. Will use proxies where necessary. Of course, I still need a bank account and utility bills need paying, but there's a lot you can do to reduce the amount of tracking.

7. Get a tin foil hat.

[Liverpool]

7. Get a tin foil hat.

8. Go and find the edge of Earth to see if he falls off.
9. Leave us all in fucking peace with his State surveillance BS conspiracy theories.

[willie loman]

What wee bit of power do people like me have over all this?

was in a care home, visiting a 97 year old woman, was reprimanded by the manager, after one of the staff had reported me for taking my mask off in the room, perhaps you can explain why even now visits are limited to 30 minutes a week,  ,,,,sorry i keep forgetting we are in a pandemic, and we all have to do our bit to "join in the fight"

[RedKettle]

was in a care home, visiting a 97 year old woman, was reprimanded by the manager, after one of the staff had reported me for taking my mask off in the room, perhaps you can explain why even now visits are limited to 30 minutes a week,  ,,,,sorry i keep forgetting we are in a pandemic, and we all have to do our bit to "join in the fight"

not sure why you find it so hard to understand.

[willie loman]

not sure why you find it so hard to understand.

maybe you could explain? what difference in risk is there between a visit that lasts 30 minutes and one hour. when visitors are given a test before entry?

[willie loman]

not sure why you find it so hard to understand.

i truly hope you end your days, seeing no one for 18 months, lying in a bed 24/7 to "save you"

[David1970]

was in a care home, visiting a 97 year old woman, was reprimanded by the manager, after one of the staff had reported me for taking my mask off in the room, perhaps you can explain why even now visits are limited to 30 minutes a week,  ,,,,sorry i keep forgetting we are in a pandemic, and we all have to do our bit to "join in the fight"

How would you feel if you bring covid into the care home, because you took your mask off. The rules in a care home are for the protection of the residents, why can’t you see it’s for their benefit.

[willie loman]

How would you feel if you bring covid into the care home, because you took your mask off. The rules in a care home are for the protection of the residents, why can’t you see it’s for their benefit.

its depressing that people like you are allowed to vote, and serve on juries, there has been much lunacy in the last 18 months, but nothing has  surpassed the utter idiocy of excluding visits to care homes, what is the fucking point of visiting a 97 year old who is virtually stone deaf, while wearing a mask, why are visits limited to half an hour once a week,? Their benefit indeed. of course we are in a pandemic, but can wander into any shop we want, and travel by bus etc.

[David1970]

its depressing that people like you are allowed to vote, and serve on juries, there has been much lunacy in the last 18 months, but nothing has  surpassed the utter idiocy of excluding visits to care homes, what is the fucking point of visiting a 97 year old who is virtually stone deaf, while wearing a mask, why are visits limited to half an hour once a week,? Their benefit indeed. of course we are in a pandemic, but can wander into any shop we want, and travel by bus etc.

No need to be insulting, but that is your style.
Residents in care home are vulnerable people, if you don’t care about the person you are visiting other peoples loved. ones are they and they care. If you enter the care home and spread the virus its not just the person you visit who is at risk. Your selfish behaviour put all the residents and staff at risk, do you understand that?

[RedKettle]

i truly hope you end your days, seeing no one for 18 months, lying in a bed 24/7 to "save you"

You are a very nasty minded individual. I was not rude to you or even argumentative. I could not understand how you could fail to appreciate why the home requires you to wear a mask.

I suspect I know the sector much better than you and I have held care home staff in my arms as they sob over the devastation caused by Covid.

You are a bitter and rotten man and I suggest you look very hard in a mirror and get the fuck over yourself.

[twotight]

Went in my local Brewdog for the first time in yonks the other day. Am going to have get used to the bollocks of dealing with some app or other, just to get in. That's bad enough. But when the bill came, payment was by card only. No cash. Not hugely bothered about that, but then when I asked the comely waitress if a tip could be added on the card machine, she said it couldn't. She couldn't take a tip in cash either. I'd have to tip via an app called Tipjar. So there was more dicking around with my phone, getting an app, filling in all my details, and after all that, I found out that Tipjar had added their own tip (around 11 per cent) to my tip. It's a fucking outrage.

There are many tech 'solutions' these days, but most seem to be solutions to nonexistent problems. it's almost as if these people don't want us to go into their bar, or tip their staff. Meanwhile, I'll choose somewhere else for an after-work drink. I like to go somewhere like Brewdog for a drink and to unwind, not to be staring at and jabbing away at a screen, only to get the piss taken when you get a bill on top of the actual bill.

that is a blatant lie,you can always tip by card and anything from 1p upwards, it sounds more like some cooperate decision to get a cut of the tips.
And you don't need a app for most of these things they work perfectly fine if you just use there webpage and a lot of times even better as they don't clog up your phone with rubbish that you hardly ever use , and you a thank apple for making that popular   

[willie loman]

You are a very nasty minded individual. I was not rude to you or even argumentative. I could not understand how you could fail to appreciate why the home requires you to wear a mask.

I suspect I know the sector much better than you and I have held care home staff in my arms as they sob over the devastation caused by Covid.

You are a bitter and rotten man and I suggest you look very hard in a mirror and get the fuck over yourself.

so why a visit of only 30 minutes once a week, thats the second time i have asked you.

[David1970]

so why a visit of only 30 minutes once a week, thats the second time i have asked you.

Less time visitors are in the care home less a chance of covid being introduced to the care home.

Can I ask why you felt it necessary to take off your mask and potentially spread the virus within the care home and endanger the residents and staff?

[mh]

There are many tech 'solutions' these days, but most seem to be solutions to nonexistent problems.

Yes many tech "solutions" are hi-tech replacements for what was already very easy for us.

But you need to understand that my kids and their friends simply don't carry any cash - nothing, ever. Cash is for old people. If they get given cash for birthdays they immediately hand it to me and I am expected to transfer money to their account. They use banks I've never heard of and apps instead of cards. So if an outlet wants to sell to them (and get tipped by them) then they have to offer a solution that works for them.

Knowing this, I tried to invest in Tipjar when they did some crowdfunding recently but missed out due to my incompetence (and their bad explanation of the deadline). It was well over-subscribed. I believe it was created by one of the executives of Brewdog but they are not the only customer for it.

[RedKettle]

so why a visit of only 30 minutes once a week, thats the second time i have asked you.

Why should I answer, you wished me a long period in a care home at the end of my days simply because I did not understand what your issue was?

Oh well as I am not a complete git like you I will answer. The science shows that chance of infection increases greatly with time.  The lateral flow test you take is helpful but not reliable so whilst it works well on a macro level it will not catch every individual.

Before you heap more hate on me I will say that I do not agree with the way care homes have been treated and the rules that have been imposed on them. I think the treatment of residents has been inhumane.  Of course you never bothered about what my opinion was when you decided to send hate and bile my way.

[tynetunnel]

Why should I answer, you wished me a long period in a care home at the end of my days simply because I did not understand what your issue was?

Oh well as I am not a complete git like you I will answer. The science shows that chance of infection increases greatly with time.  The lateral flow test you take is helpful but not reliable so whilst it works well on a macro level it will not catch every individual.

Before you heap more hate on me I will say that I do not agree with the way care homes have been treated and the rules that have been imposed on them. I think the treatment of residents has been inhumane.  Of course you never bothered about what my opinion was when you decided to send hate and bile my way.

Put the twat on ignore... works for me 

[willie loman]

Put the twat on ignore... works for me 

as ever you follow me from thread to thread, curious behaviour from a man who has me on ignore?

[RedKettle]

as ever you follow me from thread to thread, curious behaviour from a man who has me on ignore?

You are very quick to fire horrid abuse at anyone and you also jump up and down shouting that someone has not answered your points. But you ignore the responses you ask for and lack the decency or character to apologies or admit you might be wrong.

I am not surprised people put such a person on ignore. If I were you I would try me best to ignore myself.

[JamesKW]

I really do not get this fear of being tracked etc from apps, mobiles etc.

As for not voting that is in my opinion disgraceful, people have died to get and maintain the right to vote.

tracking is all well and good if you can rely on those doing the tracking,but when the systems are already setup and someone more sinister takes over its not so much fun.

[JamesKW]

I went to my local library, gave them my name and phone number for track and trace, which they wrote down. Picked a book they scanned and stamped it as usual, I left with it, no problem.

I went to my local library and did the same and noticed there were only three other people in there,looks to me libraries days are numbered, as most nowdays only go in to use the free wifi and get out of the cold or school kids go in to wait for parents to get home from work.All this additional bureaucracy will be the final nail in the coffin for libraries.

[JamesKW]

If they get given cash for birthdays they immediately hand it to me and I am expected to transfer money to their account.

At least the cash will be useful for spending on prossies.

The non cash society will only last whilst people can be confident in it, if more and more continue to be scammed and banks are no longer willing to finance the losses,cash will return.

[mh]

The non cash society will only last whilst people can be confident in it, if more and more continue to be scammed and banks are no longer willing to finance the losses,cash will return.

...and on the other hand it is apparently the "enlightened few" who put their money into crypto currencies. 

[Scotpunter]

There's quite a lot you can do.

1. Pay for stuff with cash wherever you can.
2. Switch your mobile off when you're not using it and don't take it with you every single time you go out.
3. Cancel any and all social media accounts or subscriptions you have. We all managed perfectly well before Facebooktwitter came along.
4. Don't vote. Ever.
5. Don't get a smart meter for your gas and electric
6. Drive as much as possible and if you have to get a train, bus or tube, pay in cash.

Stating the bleedin' obvious I know, but electronic payments and surveillance all point to the same place. Maybe we can't stop it but we can make sure it slows down and doesn't work so well.

In a few short years, the last of my kids will have fled the nest, and I will hopefully be able to retire. I am going as off-grid as I can at that point. Will use proxies where necessary. Of course, I still need a bank account and utility bills need paying, but there's a lot you can do to reduce the amount of tracking.

I don't agree with all your suggestions, but using cash wherever possible is a very sensible suggestion, Especially given the hobby we all partake in. Giving in to the cashless society we are obviously getting pushed towards will lead to things; like punting or sneaking an extra pint or two before heading home to the Mrs becoming impossible for many men.

[King Nuts]

Can I ask why you are on the internet if you are trying to avoid tracking?

No you may not. The walls have ears.

[RedKettle]

No you may not. The walls have ears.