In the event of Scottish independence

[SirFrank]

In the events of the Scottish backing that chubby odious sanctimonious cunt what happens to the Scottish board? Presumably it will be moved wholesale to punting abroad? 

[Gigabyte]

Recon so,  I am already working on a trip to Scotland before the border controls come into force.

[yorkshire123]

It should do.
However i wouldn't have thought it would be very popular, questions about exotic destinations like Dubai, Thailand & Singapore from british punters i can see but Glasgow 

It will be good for our economy as we will have a fucking great wall to rebuild 

[threechilliman]

Anyone know the exchange rate for scottish to english pounds?

[SirFrank]

Anyone know the exchange rate for scottish to english pounds?

Well Salmond seems to think all 3 parties and the boss of the BoE are bluffing re monetary union. I reckon they'll be spending Euros should they vote yes

[Sedlmayer]

Huge benefit to the English (esp London) taxpayer if the ginger deep-fried Mars Bar mob do decide to go their own way.
However, I doubt they'll be convinced  - they're anything but stupid and I think they know the value of money.....
It'll be an emotional, Braveheart, moment for some of them but not all, I reckon.

[threechilliman]

Well Salmond seems to think all 3 parties and the boss of the BoE are bluffing re monetary union. I reckon they'll be spending Euros should they vote yes

I'm not sure the jocks would know what a euro was as they tend to go 'AI'!

[Robster199]

I wish they would go.

Why can't we vote as well as them? If we could they would be well on their way!

[CBPaul]

Why can't we vote as well as them? If we could they would be well on their way!

The rest of the UK should have a vote IMHO, breaking up the UK shouldn't just be down to those living in Scotland. Problem is you are probably right, if we could vote it would be a done deal and none of the main political parties want that. Hence we don't get a say.

[Tafffie]

Personally, I can't wait until we vote Yes and dump the rumpUK.

1) Sterling is a fully tradeable currency, so actually no-one could stop us using it if we choose to.
2) Rebuild Hadrians wall if you want. Its upto 60 miles South of the border, we'd just make the country that little bit bigger
3) I'd rather have Salmond run my country than Cameron or Farage, any day.
4) I'd miss reading the banter here, but lets face it, I'd sleep so much better not living within 30 km of Europes largest nuclear weapons cache that I'd be willing to make sacrifices...

[Sedlmayer]

Personally, I can't wait until we vote Yes and dump the rumpUK.

1) Sterling is a fully tradeable currency, so actually no-one could stop us using it if we choose to. Making Scotland a banana republic like Zimbabwe not even having its own money.
2) Rebuild Hadrians wall if you want. Its upto 60 miles South of the border, we'd just make the country that little bit bigger And you lot that much farther away. No problem.
3) I'd rather have Salmond run my country than Cameron or Farage, any day. They're all cunts.
4) I'd miss reading the banter here, but lets face it, I'd sleep so much better not living within 30 km of Europes largest nuclear weapons cache that I'd be willing to make sacrifices... England would still be a major target, so in the event of nuclear war Scotland would hardly escape anyway

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[SeekingtheTruth]

Personally, I can't wait until we vote Yes and dump the rumpUK.

1) Sterling is a fully tradeable currency, so actually no-one could stop us using it if we choose to.
2) Rebuild Hadrians wall if you want. Its upto 60 miles South of the border, we'd just make the country that little bit bigger
3) I'd rather have Salmond run my country than Cameron or Farage, any day.
4) I'd miss reading the banter here, but lets face it, I'd sleep so much better not living within 30 km of Europes largest nuclear weapons cache that I'd be willing to make sacrifices...

This post is so full of bullshit I couldn't help but chuckle to myself at the absurdity of it.

[Gigabyte]

It did make me laugh as well. The nuclear was classic. Ask the Ukrainians if they are happy with the fact they got rid of their nukes and the Russians now see them as a nice easy way to expand their empire.

[Happyjose]

I'm Scottish. And British. And proud of both. I utterly reject the arguments, economic and otherwise, for an independent Scotland. Most people I speak to here, particularly those who work in the private sector and those with decent jobs feel the same. And Salmond is a cunt, but unfortunately he's a shrewd operator, and easily a match for the Westminster elite

[James999]

The whole scottish independance is a joke, they take out of the UK more than they put in, as such to even stay as they are they will have to pay more tax, and they won't get into europe so will be stranded.

Personally I'd like England to go independant and cut away from the parasitical parts of the UK 

[SirFrank]

I'm Scottish. And British. And proud of both. I utterly reject the arguments, economic and otherwise, for an independent Scotland. Most people I speak to here, particularly those who work in the private sector and those with decent jobs feel the same. And Salmond is a cunt, but unfortunately he's a shrewd operator, and easily a match for the Westminster elite

Agree with much of that. I'm welsh and British and proud of both. I'd actually hate to see the UK broken up. One of the worlds strongest economies which is incredible for such a small island. I happen to think Salmond is a twat but he appears to be running rings around the Westminster elite. Also agree above re nuclear weapons - Ukraine as a case in point highlights the perils of giving up your weapons. It also highlights why countries like Iran (whatever you think of them) want weapons.

I appreciate this has gone off topic re punting now so maybe best in off topic?

[Gigabyte]

Just had a thought though, if Labour get in and Harriet  gets her way with the nordic model, it may end up with rUK punters having to go for trips to Scotland where punting would still be legal. In that case it would be good for the rUK if Scotland did vote for Independence.

Think I have just managed to talk myself into saying that I agree with Scotland going independent (for all the right reasons of course).

[Aspen]

Just had a thought though, if Labour get in and Harriet  gets her way with the nordic model, it may end up with rUK punters having to go for trips to Scotland where punting would still be legal.

I've had the impression all along that Scotland is more inclined to criminalise it than Westminster.

I don't think it will become UK policy because there are too many wealthy clients in high places in London. Scotland is different, and the moralists are much stronger there.

[Sedlmayer]

I've had the impression all along that Scotland is more inclined to criminalise it than Westminster.

I don't think it will become UK policy because there are too many wealthy clients in high places in London. Scotland is different, and the moralists are much stronger there.

Have to say that was my impression too - Scotland more likely to go Nordic than England.

[Tjkooker]

All this post does is show how racist you fuking white honky engerland cunts really are.  Narrow minded bigoted cunts. Makes you realise that the EDL is your default mindset.

A thread thoroughly worthy of being put in the cunts thread.

Before you all start crying about me calling you names....... You lot started it by invading us.

[Third Man]

I've had the impression all along that Scotland is more inclined to criminalise it than Westminster.

I don't think it will become UK policy because there are too many wealthy clients in high places in London. Scotland is different, and the moralists are much stronger there.

Its hard to say if the stupid nordic model would come in first in scotland or not. Remember it could become law in scot without or with independence. That raving mad labour feminist rhoda grant from the equally mad western isles had a private bill before the scot parl last year. The snp had to employ a three line whip to make sure it was defeated. The snp have no desire to criminalise paying for sex. Labour like harman in  england do

[Sedlmayer]

All this post does is show how racist you fuking white honky engerland cunts really are.
 Scots and English are not actually racially different and last time I checked Scots were white.
  Narrow minded bigoted cunts. Makes you realise that the EDL is your default mindset.
So why do the EDL have such a tiny level of support then?

A thread thoroughly worthy of being put in the cunts thread.

Before you all start crying about me calling you names....... You lot started it by invading us.
The UK was created by a Union Of The Crowns when James I (of Scotland) became King Of England. England never conquered Scotland.

[Tjkooker]

Oh and I'm in the no camp. Each country in "Britain" should have its own parliament with powers to run daily life and policy (engerland too) However the major issues should still be decided at h history to throw it all away on the off chance it might work.

[Tjkooker]

Huge benefit to the English (esp London) taxpayer if the ginger deep-fried Mars Bar mob do decide to go their own way.
However, I doubt they'll be convinced  - they're anything but stupid and I think they know the value of money.....
It'll be an emotional, Braveheart, moment for some of them but not all, I reckon.

Ginger deep fried mars bar mob.

Don't fling stones then complain when the big boys call you out for it.

[Sedlmayer]

Oh and I'm in the no camp. Each country in "Britain" should have its own parliament with powers to run daily life and policy (engerland too) However the major issues should still be decided at h history to throw it all away on the off chance it might work.

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It's a bit early for the Buckfast, isn't it? 

[Sedlmayer]

Ginger deep fried mars bar mob.

Don't fling stones then complain when the big boys call you out for it.

Sorry?

[RNinePunter]

Time for the Scottish to bend some bananas.

[Rochdull lad]

Just a point, Sedlmayer - James VI of Scotland became James I of England,.

Fwiw, I agree with SirFrank that the way this thread has developed, it really ought to be in Off Topic now.

Specially after I add my twopennyworth.  I think that it ought to be a UK-wide vote on the grounds that my old [Geordie] pal from College days who now lives in Glasgow has a vote, yet my Scottish-born neighbour hasn't.

[James999]

All this post does is show how racist you fuking white honky engerland cunts really are.  Narrow minded bigoted cunts.

It is Scotland who are talking about breaking away, they are not being pushed, but it seems the Scots want to be begged to stay,and thus gain further financial advantages, the reality is the sums have been done and on a financial basis Scotland on a stand alone basis is fucked, if the Scots want to vote for that then that's up to them, they seem upset that we don't care 

[Jimmyredcab]

All this post does is show how racist you fuking white honky engerland cunts really are.  Narrow minded bigoted cunts.

I didn't realise that people from Scotland were a different "race", that explains their weird accent.     

[punk]

It should do.
However i wouldn't have thought it would be very popular, questions about exotic destinations like Dubai, Thailand & Singapore from british punters i can see but Glasgow 

It will be good for our economy as we will have a fucking great wall to rebuild 

wont be british punters any more,concept of Britain will be rip.

[punk]

Personally, I can't wait until we vote Yes and dump the rumpUK.

1) Sterling is a fully tradeable currency, so actually no-one could stop us using it if we choose to.
2) Rebuild Hadrians wall if you want. Its upto 60 miles South of the border, we'd just make the country that little bit bigger
3) I'd rather have Salmond run my country than Cameron or Farage, any day.
4) I'd miss reading the banter here, but lets face it, I'd sleep so much better not living within 30 km of Europes largest nuclear weapons cache that I'd be willing to make sacrifices...

love your sense of humour, well done, total delusional,just like the SNP (Small nationalist Party or is that Socialist national party?)

[punk]

All this post does is show how racist you fuking white honky engerland cunts really are.  Narrow minded bigoted cunts. Makes you realise that the EDL is your default mindset.

A thread thoroughly worthy of being put in the cunts thread.

Before you all start crying about me calling you names....... You lot started it by invading us.

love your humour 

[punk]

Ginger deep fried mars bar mob.

Don't fling stones then complain when the big boys call you out for it.

you racist bastards scots also have dark hair.

[Jock Scott]

Sir Frank started this thread by calling an elected First Minister a cunt and the comment has deteriorated since.
On a point of fact Scotland puts in more to the UK economy than she is given back.
Whatever happens the oldest profession will thrive one way or another.
I come from mixed Scottish/English parentage,  I have many Welsh relations [I served in the Welch Regiment],  so you can all have a go at me

[SeekingtheTruth]

All this post does is show how racist you fuking white honky engerland cunts really are.  Narrow minded bigoted cunts. Makes you realise that the EDL is your default mindset.

A thread thoroughly worthy of being put in the cunts thread.

Before you all start crying about me calling you names....... You lot started it by invading us.

Wow, I always thought you were a bit of a dick based on your previous posts. But fuck, you just went to a whole new level of cunt with this one.

Did I miss something racist being said? Or is TJ just drunk?

Got to be a contender for the most bizarre post of the day.

[wristjob]

On a point of fact Scotland puts in more to the UK economy than she is given back.

Do you have a source for that? Also any historical records - is this a point in time or has it always been that way?

[punk]

Do you have a source for that? Also any historical records - is this a point in time or has it always been that way?

yes the SNP website 

[Gigabyte]

On a point of fact Scotland puts in more to the UK economy than she is given back.

Erm no apparently. (I was also wrong on this when I posted earlier, I was just going on old data from the looks of it)

In February 2012, the Centre for Economics and Business Research concluded that "Scotland receives no net subsidy" from the UK, as greater per capita tax generation in Scotland balanced out greater per capita public spending.[181] More recent data, from 2012–13, show that Scotland generated 9.1% (£53.1bn; this included a geographical share of North Sea oil revenue – without it, the figures were 8.2% and £47.6bn) of the UK's tax revenues and received 9.3% (£65.2bn) of spending

Not sure why you mention your parentage but if it helps some I am half Scots half Welsh

[punk]

Erm no apparently. (I was also wrong on this when I posted earlier, I was just going on old data from the looks of it)

In February 2012, the Centre for Economics and Business Research concluded that "Scotland receives no net subsidy" from the UK, as greater per capita tax generation in Scotland balanced out greater per capita public spending.[181] More recent data, from 2012–13, show that Scotland generated 9.1% (£53.1bn; this included a geographical share of North Sea oil revenue – without it, the figures were 8.2% and £47.6bn) of the UK's tax revenues and received 9.3% (£65.2bn) of spending

Not sure why you mention your parentage but if it helps some I am half Scots half Welsh

thats got to be wrong according to snp.

[Gigabyte]

thats got to be wrong according to snp.

What that I am half Scots/half Welsh? I thought it was only the English they vehemently dislike

[punk]

What that I am half Scots/half Welsh? I thought it was only the English they vehemently dislike

no the amount scotland gives, if was not for scotland the uk would sink.

[wristjob]

No shortage of these debates on loads of message boards and they all seem to have the same pattern.


- All the Scottish guys/gals who post support independence.
- About 80% of Scottish guys on the forums don't post - which I take to be keeping out of the argument cos the "no" vote isn't trendy
- UKIP are usually mentioned and brought up as an example of English racism - despite UKIP never having won a parliamentary seat
- The "yes" vote guys never post any reliable facts to support anything and after a while their argument resorts to being abusive and all the emotional stuff like the centuries of slavery, English racist, they support the whole thing etc.
- To be fair there are usually enough rUK guys going "fuck off you ungrateful toerags" - I'm usually in that camp.


I have only read the last few posts - do we have it all yet or is anything missing?

[Jerboa]

The UK was created by a Union Of The Crowns when James I (of Scotland) became King Of England. England never conquered Scotland.

Your Incorrect, It was James VI of Scotland who United the crowns, he then became James I of England.

King Edward I (Longshanks) did a good job at trying to conquer the whole British Isles.

I think It's a mistake for Scotland to leave the union, but do many people realise that there would be no UK If Scotland left, as It's the Union of England & Scotland, Wales and NI are just a Principality of England and a Province of UK, so It would be back to the Kingdom of England again.

[Happyjose]

No shortage of these debates on loads of message boards and they all seem to have the same pattern.


- All the Scottish guys/gals who post support independence.
- About 80% of Scottish guys on the forums don't post - which I take to be keeping out of the argument cos the "no" vote isn't trendy
- UKIP are usually mentioned and brought up as an example of English racism - despite UKIP never having won a parliamentary seat
- The "yes" vote guys never post any reliable facts to support anything and after a while their argument resorts to being abusive and all the emotional stuff like the centuries of slavery, English racist, they support the whole thing etc.
- To be fair there are usually enough rUK guys going "fuck off you ungrateful toerags" - I'm usually in that camp.


I have only read the last few posts - do we have it all yet or is anything missing?

On your first point, of the 4 scots posting here, 2 were against independence, 1 for, and 1 hasn't declared.

[Third Man]

Its hard to say if the stupid nordic model would come in first in scotland or not. Remember it could become law in scot without or with independence. That raving mad labour feminist rhoda grant from the equally mad western isles had a private bill before the scot parl last year. The snp had to employ a three line whip to make sure it was defeated. The snp have no desire to criminalise paying for sex. Labour like harman in  england do

Ill repost my post from this morning which was relevant to the original point about the nordic model. This is surely not the forum for debating the fors and against of independence, economic or otherwise.

[James999]

1) Sterling is a fully tradeable currency, so actually no-one could stop us using it if we choose to.

It's not a question of what currency you can use it's the currency your bank would use, if it used Sterling it would have no fiscal control, one of the reasons for independance.

2) Rebuild Hadrians wall if you want. Its upto 60 miles South of the border, we'd just make the country that little bit bigger

You wouldn't be able to afford to build a chip shop let alone a wall 

[Sedlmayer]

Your Incorrect, It was James VI of Scotland who United the crowns, he then became James I of England.
I'm not incorrect, I just referred to him by his more familiar (in England, where I live,) title. 

King Edward I (Longshanks) did a good job at trying to conquer the whole British Isles.
 

I think It's a mistake for Scotland to leave the union, but do many people realise that there would be no UK If Scotland left, as It's the Union of England & Scotland, Wales and NI are just a Principality of England and a Province of UK, so It would be back to the Kingdom of England again.

[muzzya57]

On your first point, of the 4 scots posting here, 2 were against independence, 1 for, and 1 hasn't declared.

Well, I am firmly Scottish and I fucking despise Scottish Nationalism. Loathe it and hate it and look forward to seeing them getting their arses handed to them in September. Salmond is a creepy little cunt and Sturgeon is worse. The think I resent most is being asked the stupid question in the first place . I am confident that the silent majority will keep Scotland safely within the fold.

[Sedlmayer]

Your Incorrect, It was James VI of Scotland who United the crowns, he then became James I of England.

King Edward I (Longshanks) did a good job at trying to conquer the whole British Isles.
But, crucially, didn't succeed - the Scots have this colonial mentality when in fact they have always been equal partners 

I think It's a mistake for Scotland to leave the union, but do many people realise that there would be no UK If Scotland left, as It's the Union of England & Scotland, Wales and NI are just a Principality of England and a Province of UK, so It would be back to the Kingdom of England again.