Client Eye

[Lou2019]

They appear to be matching user identity across other websites

Again please expand that’s vague

[scutty brown]

Again please expand that’s vague

That's all you're getting. I'm not revealing the origin of the information

[Lou2019]

That's all you're getting. I'm not revealing the origin of the information

In that case I call bullshit sorry, you can’t spout all
that nonsense without backing it up 

[scutty brown]

In that case I call bullshit sorry, you can’t spout all
that nonsense without backing it up 

You can call whatever you like it makes no difference. If you don't like what I say, that's your problem

[Lou2019]

You can call whatever you like it makes no difference. If you don't like what I say, that's your problem

You don’t really have much of a case or argument then 

[scutty brown]

You don’t really have much of a case then do you 

Believe what you want, as what you think doesn't really matter. What matters is the misuse of CE, which you're never going to admit happens. Until you do your comments are irrelevant.

[Lou2019]

Believe what you want, as what you think doesn't really matter. What matters is the misuse of CE, which you're never going to admit happens. Until you do your comments are irrelevant.

Not as irrelevant as your nonsense claims, I rest my case

[tp69]

In that case I call bullshit sorry, you can’t spout all
that nonsense without backing it up 

To be fair to Scutty, he has an ability to make very sweeping claims without any interest whatsoever in backing them up. Seems happy to just abandon a thread once pushed for evidence to support his argument.

And Scutty, the correlation between the 2 threads is in the welfare of WG's. You don't support trafficking, but you don't like WG's having a mechanism for detecting potentially violent customers. While CE may not be perfect, and WG's will have to make their own decisions on a case by case basis, it's still a mechanism for helping them with safety. It's up to the app devs and WG's to work out how to improve the flaws.

[scutty brown]

...................... It's up to the app devs and WG's to work out how to improve the flaws.

But they have no incentive to  improve those flaws or misuses

[tp69]

But they have no incentive to  improve those flaws or misuses

Not true. Any market is a certain size. If your app destroys the market by allowing misuse, then the size of that market diminishes, either reducing the earning potential for the WG, or destroying the need for the app. It's in the interest of both parties to improve it such that it is more difficult to misuse.

Surely if a WG can provide positive feedback on clients, as well as negative, then it offers a more balanced view? There are various ways of doing this ie. forcing WG's to review X number of clients every week in order to retain access. This will ensure they review both positive and negative to provide balance.

I don't know how the app works specifically as I've never seen it, but there will certainly be technical ways to improve it.

[tp69]

They could also have an algo that will highlight WG's who abuse it by only posting negatives - especially where those negatives are on punters who are otherwise well rated. You can then devalue their input or warn them to be fair or risk being removed.

There are a ton of ways to sort the issues raised. It's up to the WG's, as users, to chat to the devs and get it improved.

It's not in WG's interest to allow other WG's to cost them customers through fake reports.

[Doc Holliday]

They could also have an algo that will highlight WG's who abuse it by only posting negatives - especially where those negatives are on punters who are otherwise well rated.

CE does not allow positive reports only negatives.

[scutty brown]

Not true. Any market is a certain size. If your app destroys the market by allowing misuse, then the size of that market diminishes, either reducing the earning potential for the WG, or destroying the need for the app. It's in the interest of both parties to improve it such that it is more difficult to misuse.

Surely if a WG can provide positive feedback on clients, as well as negative, then it offers a more balanced view? There are various ways of doing this ie. forcing WG's to review X number of clients every week in order to retain access. This will ensure they review both positive and negative to provide balance.

I don't know how the app works specifically as I've never seen it, but there will certainly be technical ways to improve it.

If you've never seen the app in use and don't know how it works then you've got fuck all useful to contribute to the discussion

[tp69]

CE does not allow positive reports only negatives.

Appreciate that. I'm just offering ideas for how it could become more useful to the WG. If, as suggested, their team reads this thread, then perhaps they'll think through ways to improve it's utility.

[tp69]

If you've never seen the app in use and don't know how it works then you've got fuck all useful to contribute to the discussion

You're a twat.

[daviemac]

Surely if a WG can provide positive feedback on clients, as well as negative, then it offers a more balanced view? There are various ways of doing this ie. forcing WG's to review X number of clients every week in order to retain access. This will ensure they review both positive and negative to provide balance.

CE isn't a review site, it's purely an app for posting warnings plus making anyone do anything on a regular basis to maintain access never works.

[contentguy]

…I don't know how the app works specifically as I've never seen it, but there will certainly be technical ways to improve it.

You’ve got ever so much to say about something you’ve not seen 
It’s free to install, you haven’t bothered to do so, but go all ‘expert’ on this app.

One of my numbers had a warning (when they were visible without registering) about me no-showing in a town I’ve never been to.

[tp69]

CE isn't a review site, it's purely an app for posting warnings

I'm offering feature ideas to improve it, not listing current features.

making anyone do anything on a regular basis to maintain access never works.

By banning lurkers, you do exactly that here in order to compel others to review.

I could be more Scutty and just abuse everyone while providing zero constructive feedback. Don't see the point in it however.

[tp69]

You’ve got ever so much to say about something you’ve not seen 
It’s free to install, you haven’t bothered to do so, but go all ‘expert’ on this app.

One of my numbers had a warning (when they were visible without registering) about me no-showing in a town I’ve never been to.

I've built technology for nearly 30 years. I don't need to see the app in order to offer feedback on issues that have been raised.

Apologies, I'll just piss all over it instead. That's far more constructive. I'm out.

[scutty brown]

I've built technology for nearly 30 years. I don't need to see the app in order to offer feedback on issues that have been raised.

Apologies, I'll just piss all over it instead. That's far more constructive. I'm out.

Idiot

[contentguy]

I've built technology for nearly 30 years. I don't need to see the app in order to offer feedback on issues that have been raised.

Apologies, I'll just piss all over it instead. That's far more constructive. I'm out.

But this place isn’t the Client Eye improvement forum.

You could mail them and say something like:

“I’ve not used your app ever, I haven’t even downloaded it.  But on a forum I’ve been reading there are shortcomings about your offering.  I recommended you do the following…..”

With your 30 years experience of IT, how would you (honestly) respond to such a ‘contribution’.

[tp69]

But this place isn’t the Client Eye improvement forum.

You could mail them and say something like:

“I’ve not used your app ever, I haven’t even downloaded it.  But on a forum I’ve been reading there are shortcomings about your offering.  I recommended you do the following…..”

With your 30 years experience of IT, how would you (honestly) respond to such a ‘contribution’.

I'd read it and think about it. As would anyone interested in improving their product.

Make fun however you like, it serves nothing other than stroking your ego.

[contentguy]

I'd read it and think about it. As would anyone interested in improving their product.

Make fun however you like, it serves nothing other than stroking your ego.

You’d read it, consider it perhaps, and if you replied you’d say:

You're a twat.

[daviemac]

I'm offering feature ideas to improve it, not listing current features.

By banning lurkers, you do exactly that here in order to compel others to review.

I could be more Scutty and just abuse everyone while providing zero constructive feedback. Don't see the point in it however.

You know absolutely nothing about ClientEye and you know even less about the running of this site yet you have an awful lot to say about them both. You've been here 5 minutes and you think you know it all.

To start with ClientEye, it is not and has never been a review site, it's sole purpose is to be a place where dodgy punters can be reported, yes it can be open to abuse but that's the nature of the beast, pretty much the same as this place is open to abuse. 

Unless you have downloaded and used the app, read their terms and conditions, their FAQ and read their blog, when they were available you aren't really in a position to comment, have you done any of that or contacted them to voice any concerns for that matter. 

Nobody on this site is compelled to write anything, there are several factors that are considered before a lurker is banned. At this moment in time there are 81,679 members, do you really think every one has posted a review.   

To be quite honest it makes you look rather foolish when you are making comments about things you know nothing about, especially when the comments are pure speculation and have no basis in fact.

Edit

Another thing mentioned in the rules. -

nor is it a support site for service providers.

[tp69]

My intention was to be helpful, which hasn't been taken as such. Fair enough.

[LLPunting]

My intention was to be helpful, which hasn't been taken as such. Fair enough.

But you chose the wrong place to offer that help.  You should be talking to Client Eye.

They have no interest in "market interests" because the market is SPs, a clientele composed of a widely varied bunch of providers with varying relations with the truth and reality, and similarly varied interests in establishing fact.  They will happily do business on hearsay, that is the point we make, to the deafness of CE and at least some SPs.  SPs' motives for posting about punters varies by the moment with some due to substance abuse, mental health issues or plain meaness (not necessarily as a result of abuse by punters).

Sure there are plenty of punters with issues, we all see that in the plainly posted contributions here, and the rest of us are free to challenge or support what's said by others, that scrutiny means we at least try to establish the facts, or at least a majority verdict on likelihood.  And that is why UKP is more trustworthy, particularly when an SP receives multiple reviews over time from an increasing variety of punters.
If we weren't so much more trustworthy why would there be so much open and surreptitious effort by pimps and SPs to subvert us?  Bribery, loyalty discounts, cameras, keeping records of phone numbers, stooges and WKs.

[tp69]

But you chose the wrong place to offer that help.  You should be talking to Client Eye.

They have no interest in "market interests" because the market is SPs, a clientele composed of a widely varied bunch of providers with varying relations with the truth and reality, and similarly varied interests in establishing fact.  They will happily do business on hearsay, that is the point we make, to the deafness of CE and at least some SPs.  SPs' motives for posting about punters varies by the moment with some due to substance abuse, mental health issues or plain meaness (not necessarily as a result of abuse by punters).

Sure there are plenty of punters with issues, we all see that in the plainly posted contributions here, and the rest of us are free to challenge or support what's said by others, that scrutiny means we at least try to establish the facts, or at least a majority verdict on likelihood.  And that is why UKP is more trustworthy, particularly when an SP receives multiple reviews over time from an increasing variety of punters.
If we weren't so much more trustworthy why would there be so much open and surreptitious effort by pimps and SPs to subvert us?  Bribery, loyalty discounts, cameras, keeping records of phone numbers, stooges and WKs.

I see what you're saying, makes sense. Have a good day chaps.

[seeker]

I've been put on CE a few times  because im simply a member of UKP, no other reason.
I asked a reg to check ,she knew who I was due to an incident years ago .
Says something like "Ukp member ,avoid ,will leave you nasty negative feedback" 
So, reported because I may tell my side of a punt if it goes tits up 

There is no balance on CE ,No checks to see if a report is true ,no way for other wgs to ascertain
If the punter was really at fault or if the wg is simply being vindictive.
Its open to abuse by wgs who provide a bad service but don't like the fact the punter
Can tell his side of the story and is used as revenge.
Here on UKP ,if a punter puts up a negative review, he can be questioned by both
Punters and wgs, to get at the facts and any bullshitter is usually found out .

[lamboman]

Pretty much 

That's clearly rubbish.

[Lou2019]

That's clearly rubbish.

Is it really worth going there  posts about CE are so repetitive I don’t think anything more can be said of worth.

[finn5555]

I am not sure why people get so hung up about CE. I do not know whether I am on there or not nor do I really care if you get questions about it then you just go and visit another pro$$ie simples 

[Lou2019]

I am not sure why people get so hung up about CE. I do not know whether I am on there or not nor do I really care if you get questions about it then you just go and visit another pro$$ie simples 

finn I can’t believe I’m going to say this but yes I agree with you   

[lillythesavage]

finn I can’t believe I’m going to say this but yes I agree with you   

I cannot either  , but have to agree too, you were the bigger person, I thought of posting it earlier but did not 

[lamboman]

Is it really worth going there  posts about CE are so repetitive I don’t think anything more can be said of worth.

Well don't add to them if it annoys you.

[Lou2019]

I cannot either  , but have to agree too, you were the bigger person, I thought of posting it earlier but did not 

It’s a love hate relationship lol

[Lou2019]

Well don't add to them if it annoys you.

The irony lol

[lillythesavage]

It’s a love hate relationship lol

At least your laughing, some people are way to serious  , given your own profile description I walked to the pub thinking of my unintentional pun  . excepted to come home to a comment on it. Or Finn making one. Oh well, all is good in the world now.

[a1000punts]

I've had a couple of instances recently where I've booked an escort only to have her go radio silent sometimes just 30min after the booking as I'm getting to her place. I've wondered if it's cause they've checked some stupid database somewhere and some other dishonest escorts left comments about how I left without buying or using their services after seeing them and mentioning fake pictures or something like that.
The only one I know about is client eye, I put my punting phone number in there and it says 1 report but doesn't give any more detail, but I've also tried a bunch of other numbers, some random even, and they all say "1 report". The app seems to be a piece of shit, I wonder if it's even working, it's seems to be a bug
Anyway, I'm just going to get a new sim card just in case, but just wondering if you've had similar things happen to you more frequently, recently?

[daviemac]

I've had a couple of instances recently where I've booked an escort only to have her go radio silent sometimes just 30min after the booking as I'm getting to her place. I've wondered if it's cause they've checked some stupid database somewhere and some other dishonest escorts left comments about how I left without buying or using their services after seeing them and mentioning fake pictures or something like that.
The only one I know about is client eye, I put my punting phone number in there and it says 1 report but doesn't give any more detail, but I've also tried a bunch of other numbers, some random even, and they all say "1 report". The app seems to be a piece of shit, I wonder if it's even working, it's seems to be a bug
Anyway, I'm just going to get a new sim card just in case, but just wondering if you've had similar things happen to you more frequently, recently?

As a result of this thread unless you are registered and verified as a sex worker with ClientEye you can't see any reports, the default setting for those who aren't verified is it will show 1 report no matter what number you put in.

[Thephoenix]

Unless you're a verified member it doesn't matter what number you enter, that's all you'll get.

[a1000punts]

Thanks!

[Moby Dick]

So to join... what is needed to verify that you are a sex worker?

Do you have to provide an AW or other profile? (Easy to set one up)
Fake Email address / phone number ?
Face pic holding today’s newspaper?
Letter from your bank manager / GP / accountant - copy of your tax return will say model 
Letter from your employer. pimp, madam, or a reference from a client?

How does some one prove they are a sex worker (other than physically taking the questioners money for sex)?

[gbyld87]

So to join... what is needed to verify that you are a sex worker?

Do you have to provide an AW or other profile? (Easy to set one up)
Fake Email address / phone number ?
Face pic holding today’s newspaper?
Letter from your bank manager / GP / accountant - copy of your tax return will say model 
Letter from your employer. pimp, madam, or a reference from a client?

How does some one prove they are a sex worker (other than physically taking the questioners money for sex)?

A valid AW page or similar I believe.  But you really shouldn't.  The service isn't for us and while it seems quite a one-sided arrangement nothing good can come of trying to hack the system.

[daviemac]

So to join... what is needed to verify that you are a sex worker?

Do you have to provide an AW or other profile? (Easy to set one up)
Fake Email address / phone number ?
Face pic holding today’s newspaper?
Letter from your bank manager / GP / accountant - copy of your tax return will say model 
Letter from your employer. pimp, madam, or a reference from a client?

How does some one prove they are a sex worker (other than physically taking the questioners money for sex)?

All the answers are in this thread, including -

When I joined I was required to send a link to my AW profile, (I believe it can also be your own website but must be a service provider) they then sent me a pm to that profile and I had to reply to that pm, it took them about 30 mins to verify my links and for me to be able to use the app, I had to go through the same process for my working phone and my personal phone numbers and again when I wanted to pay for the full version without advertisements.

I'm not sure how you joined 'with a throwaway phone number' can you enlighten?

ClientEye were watching this thread and when a workaround was mentioned they altered the site to close it.

All the information you could possibly want about the app has already been posted on this thread, there's no point in repeating it all now.

[tester101]

I just looked at my number and I have a report!  However the app directs you to some security feature then it goes nowhere.  Anyway, can't view the report so.....

[gbyld87]

I just looked at my number and I have a report!  However the app directs you to some security feature then it goes nowhere.  Anyway, can't view the report so.....

See here: https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=300677.msg3674347#msg3674347

[timmy1]

Hmmm i put my number in and it said there was 1 report, tried a few of my contacts and every single one had a report about them, so either my 82 year old gran is a dodgy punter or the site is faking it 

[daviemac]

Hmmm i put my number in and it said there was 1 report, tried a few of my contacts and every single one had a report about them, so either my 82 year old gran is a dodgy punter or the site is faking it 

Did you read reply #738 or any of the thread for that matter.

As a result of this thread unless you are registered and verified as a sex worker with ClientEye you can't see any reports, the default setting for those who aren't verified is it will show 1 report no matter what number you put in.

[tidytuz]

ClientEye is a money-making scam run by VivaStreet, getting SPs to think it's worth their subscription to it. If you download their app right now and do a username or email search (that's once you clear all the pop-up ads that VS have now added to the app), and just enter any made-up name into there...MrBlobby, Batman, DesmondTutu......the app will always claim it has "1 report", but of course you have to register to view it  that agressive tweet CE posted about UKP is just an act to get SPs who dislike UKP to think CE is on their side to get them to sign up. VS / CE is just another pimp praying on SPs.

[tidytuz]

As a result of this thread unless you are registered and verified as a sex worker with ClientEye you can't see any reports, the default setting for those who aren't verified is it will show 1 report no matter what number you put in.

That's fraud then.