Client Eye

[SynDee]

And do you applaud the malicious lies pro$$ies post when they don’t like a negative but justified negative review?
Before you ask my number isn’t on there 

Didn't even occur to me. Its used as a guidence for workers to use. Its a handy tool and when used correctly its saving lives.

[Lou2019]

Didn't even occur to me. Its used as a guidence for workers to use. Its a handy tool and when used correctly its saving lives.

 

[finn5555]

its saving lives.

 

[Marmalade]

Don’t worry. Just prossies lining up to save the world again. 


Breakfast bollocks-on-toast.    

[Tongue in Cheeks]

And do you applaud the malicious lies pro$$ies post when they don’t like a negative but justified negative review?

It isn’t just when someone posts a bad review my friend. I have been the victim of someone making false allegations against me for no apparent reason at all. They painted me to be aggressive, heavy handed and an angry guy. Apparently I left one WG covered in bruises twice.

I did see this on CE myself but it doesn’t show now. I am told it is still there but not for me to see it.

It also gives my user name on here on the CE post. Bit being a PC wiz I don’t know how that works.

Now I am all in favour of protecting people and behaving properly from all parties but to see 100% lies from someone is ridiculous.

I have about a dozen feedback messaages on AW that are completely the opposite to what is said on CE. Why anyone would completely make things up I do not know. It’s not even a misunderstanding it’s complete lies.

Now if I had behaved in the way it says on CE then fair play it would be my own fault.

Makes you feel very different when it’s all complete bollocks.

I would love to hear from whoever it was to explain why but I doubt it would happen.

[finn5555]

And do you applaud the malicious lies pro$$ies post when they don’t like a negative but justified negative review?

It isn’t just when someone posts a bad review my friend. I have been the victim of someone making false allegations against me for no apparent reason at all. They painted me to be aggressive, heavy handed and an angry guy. Apparently I left one WG covered in bruises twice.

I did see this on CE myself but it doesn’t show now. I am told it is still there but not for me to see it.

It also gives my user name on here on the CE post. Bit being a PC wiz I don’t know how that works.

Now I am all in favour of protecting people and behaving properly from all parties but to see 100% lies from someone is ridiculous.

I have about a dozen feedback messaages on AW that are completely the opposite to what is said on CE. Why anyone would completely make things up I do not know. It’s not even a misunderstanding it’s complete lies.

Now if I had behaved in the way it says on CE then fair play it would be my own fault.

Makes you feel very different when it’s all complete bollocks.

I would love to hear from whoever it was to explain why but I doubt it would happen.

There is a way to see what's on CE and reading some of what pro$$ies post you tell there is a lot of bullshit 

[Tongue in Cheeks]

Not sure how CE works but I found a couple of posts on there under my number. I have a good idea who it was that did it because she quoted me in the post. What I said to her I have never said to anyone else so that’s my theory.

Having checked recently the posts appear to have gone, ok that’s fine no need to bother looking any more.

So, I was having a chat with a WG about CE and she tells that I can’t see the posts any more due to CE changing the access rules. She also tells me that she can see the posts yet I can’t any more and because I am not registered on the site threat is why I don’t see them. I have never been registered and did see them previously.

Now I aren’t a computer expert so don’t know what the situation is with CE.

My first thoughts were that whoever put them on originally has taken them off. Now I aren’t sure after being told as I have.

[pa5151]

Not sure how CE works but I found a couple of posts on there under my number. I have a good idea who it was that did it because she quoted me in the post. What I said to her I have never said to anyone else so that’s my theory.

Having checked recently the posts appear to have gone, ok that’s fine no need to bother looking any more.

So, I was having a chat with a WG about CE and she tells that I can’t see the posts any more due to CE changing the access rules. She also tells me that she can see the posts yet I can’t any more and because I am not registered on the site threat is why I don’t see them. I have never been registered and did see them previously.

Now I aren’t a computer expert so don’t know what the situation is with CE.

My first thoughts were that whoever put them on originally has taken them off. Now I aren’t sure after being told as I have.

Not hard to get your own back post a negative review and job done.

[daviemac]

Not hard to get your own back post a negative review and job done.

That is not what this site is about, it isn't here for anyone to post reviews to 'get your own back'. To be of any use reviews have to be a true reflection of what happened in a booking, not some made up crap to get revenge on someone, that's what happens on AdultWork.

[Tongue in Cheeks]

I would never do that to be fair as that’s not how I am and how I want to be seen.

I did review the person that I think it is that posted and it was a good fair review and the experience was a very good pleasant one. She told me she had really enjoyed it too.

I only ever saw her the once yet she said I had behaved badly on both occasions I saw her. Very strange.

I doubt the CE review has impacted on anything I have done since as I do see quite a few ladies and have done since the initial reports appeared. The way that explained how she thinks CE works has met me twice with plans to meet again I think edifice so not overly worried what may come of it.

Just a bit pissed that anyone could make up so much shite for no apparent reason.

[WAP]

This app is a god send in many ways. If you don't be a twat then you won't be on there simple. They have precautions to define the liars and the spiteful and they are very strict. This app is awesome for the sw and I applaude and appreciate it x

I respectfully 100% disagree. Client eye would work better if it functioned like Truecaller and SPs could give positive feedback as well. I’m a serious genuine punter and now have to keep three phone numbers to guarantee a booking because of CI. 1. My actual phone number 2. Punting and Sugaring number 3. Hushed number to get around SPs who won’t see me because of the incomplete negative and malicious feedback system of CI.

I’ve been labelled a timewaster just for making a call and asking questions about services available. I’m a genuine sincere paying punter and I always turn up once I’ve confirmed an appointment so something is wrong with how client eye reporting works. My new approach is to use my punting phone for SA only and then use a second number app like hushed for AW and change that monthly.

[SynDee]

And do you applaud the malicious lies pro$$ies post when they don’t like a negative but justified negative review?
Before you ask my number isn’t on there 

its the same as the forums tho, clients talk about the girls, how does anyone know if its true information or not? 9outof10 i recon the bad feedback is because they dont want noone else to have them x

[finn5555]

its the same as the forums tho, clients talk about the girls, how does anyone know if its true information or not? 9outof10 i recon the bad feedback is because they dont want noone else to have them x

Don’t be stupid 🤦🏻‍♂️

[Payyourwaymate]

its the same as the forums tho, clients talk about the girls, how does anyone know if its true information or not? 9outof10 i recon the bad feedback is because they dont want noone else to have them x

So let me get this right....9/10 neg reviews on this forum is because the punters do not want anyone else to have them?

There are thousands of reviews on this forum. There are thousands of members on this site, do you know how many members credibility you have essentially just questioned with that statement?

You seem like a nice person but, can you please explain how you came to that conclusion from your statement?

[s0whatsnew?]

its the same as the forums tho, clients talk about the girls, how does anyone know if its true information or not? 9outof10 i recon the bad feedback is because they dont want noone else to have them x

Part of the problem imo is that most  'good'  WG's  probably don't socialize with many  'bad' WG's  and so won't be able to imagine the sheer nastiness of many of them.   Or even the damage that a  wg can come up with if so minded.  Have I suffered ?  Yes.

[Marmalade]

its the same as the forums tho, clients talk about the girls, how does anyone know if its true information or not? 9outof10 i recon the bad feedback is because they dont want noone else to have them x

You sound like a better sad missus.

[Happiness]

its the same as the forums tho, clients talk about the girls, how does anyone know if its true information or not? 9outof10 i recon the bad feedback is because they dont want noone else to have them x

 

[cotton]

its the same as the forums tho, clients talk about the girls, how does anyone know if its true information or not? 9outof10 i recon the bad feedback is because they dont want noone else to have them x

So just for clarity ; you are saying that you reckon 9 out of 10 feedback on clientele is "because they dont want noone else to have them x".
Well at least you are honest and accept it's all made up BS with a selfish distorted agenda - little to do with saving lives at all then 
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[Marmalade]

The majority of punters here work hard to help each other. If they “want to keep her for themself” they just shut up about her for a few weeks. Posting a fake review is usually spotted quite quickly. A negative report against someone with good feedback is likely challenged, even if accurate. The poster would usually explain exactly how it might have been a negative experience for him.

Most ‘fake’ reviews tend to be ‘positives’ from newbie posters who are dazzled and over-awed by getting their balls emptied.

This website has decades of experience in spotting shite.  A P4p coming on here with no experience is apt to make false conclusions. But if she has an example of where she thinks a review is false she is always able to challenge it. Go ahead.

[vindici]

The majority of punters here work hard to help each other. If they “want to keep her for themself”

If I want to keep a girl for myself, then I simply don't review her. I would never risk my reputation on this forum, nor try to damage her business by sharing cock and bull stories. Fake negatives are bad for punters as well as the SPs.

[sparkus]

If I want to keep a girl for myself, then I simply don't review her. I would never risk my reputation on this forum, nor try to damage her business by sharing cock and bull stories. Fake negatives are bad for punters as well as the SPs.

I don't get how anyone can "keep a girl for [them]self"?

What next, turning off friends and relatives' TVs so they can't enter the Omaze house price draw?

By definition she's a WG who advertises and therefore sees an array of clients, most of who will not be members on here and may not have even heard of the site.

Once you're out of the door her next client is more than certainly nearby or on his way, he'll be bouncing up and down on top of 'your' WG with his cock in no time and you will be long forgotten.  No bull.

Is this just not another manifestation of EAS?

Unless you think it's a sneaky way to enjoy someone that others on here perhaps don't know about (Reverse TOFTT)?

[oddson1970]

I don't get how anyone can "keep a girl for [them]self"?

What next, turning off friends and relatives' TVs so they can't enter the Omaze house price draw?

By definition she's a WG who advertises and therefore sees an array of clients, most of who will not be members on here and may not have even heard of the site.

Once you're out of the door her next client is more than certainly nearby or on his way, he'll be bouncing up and down on top of 'your' WG with his cock in no time and you will be long forgotten.  No bull.

Is this just not another manifestation of EAS?

Unless you think it's a sneaky way to enjoy someone that others on here perhaps don't know about (Reverse TOFTT)?

l have to agree with you here.lts not as if one punter refraining reviewing is going to stop any business coming the SP's way.....a tiny % maybe but nothing significant.Just for arguments sake, if a WG was to rely on one punter solely for her income ,she would likely chuck it unless  said punter was a rich, cuntstruck sugar daddy

[sparkus]

l have to agree with you.Its not as if one punter refraining from reviewing is going to stop any business coming the SP's way.....a minute % maybe but nowhere near significant.Just for arguments sake, if a WG was solely dependent on one punter for her income, she would probably chuck it due to it not being worth her while unless said punter was a rich, cuntstruck sugar daddy

Good/balanced/fair reviews should lead to stable income for the WG and hopefully more switched on clients as well.  I don't see the drawback...

[Briddy]

I don't get how anyone can "keep a girl for [them]self"?

What next, turning off friends and relatives' TVs so they can't enter the Omaze house price draw?

By definition she's a WG who advertises and therefore sees an array of clients, most of who will not be members on here and may not have even heard of the site.

Once you're out of the door her next client is more than certainly nearby or on his way, he'll be bouncing up and down on top of 'your' WG with his cock in no time and you will be long forgotten.  No bull.

Is this just not another manifestation of EAS?

Unless you think it's a sneaky way to enjoy someone that others on here perhaps don't know about (Reverse TOFTT)?

think it's more if post a positive review on here and especially if it's a girl who hasn't been reviewed then it brings more attention to her profile, so she may end up being harder to book next time.

[SynDee]

So let me get this right....9/10 neg reviews on this forum is because the punters do not want anyone else to have them?

There are thousands of reviews on this forum. There are thousands of members on this site, do you know how many members credibility you have essentially just questioned with that statement?

You seem like a nice person but, can you please explain how you came to that conclusion from your statement?

Yes i can. I know red. She used to work. Shes not got a successful career and this life is behind her. Her choice for her own reasons.
Shes perfect in every way. She was one of the top workers. Had em queing for her literally.
On this site a post got posted about her. Wasnt nice at all. Turns out to be a client that was obsessed with her he dint want anyone else to have her so he wrote that. I know this as ive questioned face to face and got answers.
Xx

[SynDee]

think it's more if post a positive review on here and especially if it's a girl who hasn't been reviewed then it brings more attention to her profile, so she may end up being harder to book next time.

True i agree with you also xx

[SynDee]

Thats what im saying hun. The punters dont want noone else to have time with the wg xx

[SynDee]

Don’t worry. Just prossies lining up to save the world again. 


Breakfast bollocks-on-toast.    

And we do. We provide a service that noone else can. Its sometimes a medical need. Noone else can provide only us. Our services should be provided by the NHS in my eyes.

[SynDee]

Didn't even occur to me. Its used as a guidence for workers to use. Its a handy tool and when used correctly its saving lives.

Be happy that there is a service out there for wgs. Be a good client always xx xx its our perogative you ave a good time and get what u need. Get what u came for. X

[Thephoenix]

And we do. We provide a service that noone else can. Its sometimes a medical need. Noone else can provide only us. Our services should be provided by the NHS in my eyes.

Absolutely!......and of course, like prescriptions, free for OAP's. 

[The0neAnd0nly]

Imagine trying to get your GP to prescribe you OWO / CIM or 2 pops though... that would certainly make doctor visits much more interesting!!

[Dipper]

And we do. We provide a service that noone else can. Its sometimes a medical need. Noone else can provide only us. Our services should be provided by the NHS in my eyes.

There’s a lot of truth here. My problem is wanting to O. D. and addiction to it though

[tynetunnel]

Be happy that there is a service out there for wgs. Be a good client always xx xx its our perogative you ave a good time and get what u need. Get what u came for. X

I am happy and I’m always a good client. There is undoubtedly a need for such services, as of course there has been for millennia. It’s not known as “the oldest profession” for nothing. The not allowedters find the whole thing sordid and disgusting, but men have needed to do this ever since long term relationships started to become the norm. It’s in our genetics

[Payyourwaymate]

Yes i can. I know red. She used to work. Shes not got a successful career and this life is behind her. Her choice for her own reasons.
Shes perfect in every way. She was one of the top workers. Had em queing for her literally.
On this site a post got posted about her. Wasnt nice at all. Turns out to be a client that was obsessed with her he dint want anyone else to have her so he wrote that. I know this as ive questioned face to face and got answers.
Xx

I see. To be honest, I still think your conclusion is a bit of a stretch. However, I can understand that if in your experience and people you know in the same line of work experiences fall in line with what you have stated, how you would come to such a conclusion. Personally for me, every negative review I have written was not because I did not want anyone else to have the provider, it was because she was shit. I can only speak for myself in saying this I guess. Thank you for explaining your reasoning.

[xyfek]

I see. To be honest, I still think your conclusion is a bit of a stretch. However, I can understand that if in your experience and people you know in the same line of work experiences fall in line with what you have stated, how you would come to such a conclusion. Personally for me, every negative review I have written was not because I did not want anyone else to have the provider, it was because she was shit. I can only speak for myself in saying this I guess. Thank you for explaining your reasoning.

I think the vast majority of reviews are an accurate reflection of the punter's experience, good or bad. UKP is a huge community, it's likely someone around has visited a particular SP, and plenty of posters will challenge a dodgy review. I'm sure a few fabricated ones will fall through the cracks, but I'd be surprised if these weren't few and far between.

[vindici]

Personally for me, every negative review I have written was not because I did not want anyone else to have the provider, it was because she was shit.

This is how I treat my negs, usually something bad happened and I am certain it's gonna be the same for the next punter, so I make good and sure I write it up. If something bad happened for me, but might be okay for the next person, that will come across in the tone of the review, and I may even designate it as neutral, but I would never write a bad review just to keep an escort to myself.

I've got too much to lose, years of forum reputation wiped out, and if the SP ever sees the disingenuous review, I'd be blacklisted (and rightly so)

[bitofanovice]

My iPhone is so screwed I can't install it.

But I am in a phase where the rare SP's I do message; I never hear back from; just wondering if I am on there !

[Marmalade]

I’ve just noticed the Client Eye app has insinuated itself into the block unknown callers phone options on my settings. I can’t see much advantage to giving it access. It’s prossie app basically isn’t it? If a WG called me out of the blue I’d just tell her not to.

[LLPunting]

I’ve just noticed the Client Eye app has insinuated itself into the block unknown callers phone options on my settings. I can’t see much advantage to giving it access. It’s prossie app basically isn’t it? If a WG called me out of the blue I’d just tell her not to.

What permissions does the app need from the phone?  Perhaps some of our developer UKPers can check for us?   If it's after contacts, making calls, opening files, taking photos or using the microphone then any of that could be harvested and exploited by CE's developers.  Makes CE even more insidious.

If you keep the app installed on your phone and then swap SIM or virtual number then your new "identity" may be compromised straight away.

[Marmalade]

What permissions does the app need from the phone?  Perhaps some of our developer UKPers can check for us?   If it's after contacts, making calls, opening files, taking photos or using the microphone then any of that could be harvested and exploited by CE's developers.  Makes CE even more insidious.

If you keep the app installed on your phone and then swap SIM or virtual number then your new "identity" may be compromised straight away.

Under Settings>Phone>Call Blocking & Identification>Client Eye
"Allow Call blocking and identification apps to block calls and provide caller ID. These apps are not able to access any information about your incoming calls."

Basically, if you don't need it, don't enable it and don't give it access. You can block any number of individual numbers or silence all unknown callers. I don't see any advantage to a punter to install it (though maybe install it to look at it and then uninstall it). Am I missing anything?

[Marmalade]

Yes i can. I know red. She used to work. Shes not got a successful career and this life is behind her. Her choice for her own reasons.
Shes perfect in every way. She was one of the top workers. Had em queing for her literally.
On this site a post got posted about her. Wasnt nice at all. Turns out to be a client that was obsessed with her he dint want anyone else to have her so he wrote that. I know this as ive questioned face to face and got answers.
Xx

Fuck sake, you do bang on a bit!

It sounds a very unusual case to me. But if you think a punter is obsessive and harassing a prossie you can report it to admin. You'd better have a case, but UKP believe it or not doesn't tolerate 'punters' acting like complete cunts and a review that, for any reason, is discovered to be false, it is deleted or blacklisted in some way as far as I recall.

We have to have a site where punters can post what they think. You might not like it but that is the situation with any independent review site, even Axxxxxx. btw when sellers complain about a review to Axxxxxx they also need good evidence otherwise everyone would do it. And when sellers contact me about an honest review offering an incentive to improve it, I report that too and they get banned.

Without necessarily doubting the possibility that your report of an obsessive punter could be accurate, I don't believe for a minute that any prossie is "perfect in every way". And who are you to judge?? Out of hundreds of punters who fuck her, how many times have you fucked her? -- and even if you have that would only be one person's view.

She may be a very nice person, but that doesn't make her perfect. Any prossie can have a bad day, and often does, and any prossie may fail to make a punter feel good when he walks out after a session. You might be top of your game, but you are unlikely to please every soul and if you are that good then the 50 positive reviews will quickly make the one negative as nothing!

So basically, even if the story is completely true and I'm not saying it isn't, you have fuck all evidence to suggest it is a common occurrence or that it should even matter.

[LLPunting]

Under Settings>Phone>Call Blocking & Identification>Client Eye
"Allow Call blocking and identification apps to block calls and provide caller ID. These apps are not able to access any information about your incoming calls."

Basically, if you don't need it, don't enable it and don't give it access. You can block any number of individual numbers or silence all unknown callers. I don't see any advantage to a punter to install it (though maybe install it to look at it and then uninstall it). Am I missing anything?

On Android you can go into the Phone/OS Settings and manage all installed apps, from there you can get it to (supposedly) show the permissions settings for each app.  I'd trust that a little more than going into a specific feature setting and seeing what's listed.  Presume you can do similar on an iPhone.

[Marmalade]

On Android you can go into the Phone/OS Settings and manage all installed apps, from there you can get it to (supposedly) show the permissions settings for each app.  I'd trust that a little more than going into a specific feature setting and seeing what's listed.  Presume you can do similar on an iPhone.

The iphone app store simply has a link to the developer's privacy policy "which indicates that the developer does not collect any data from this app". Their small print however does include "disclosing your personal data ... in order to protect your vital interests or the vital interests of another natural person. ... Personal data is not kept "longer than necessary" blah blah blah which may be "maximum period of 6 years" and we try to keep it secure blahblahblah. 

In invisible ink it says "and if we get hacked and your personal data is spread about all over the fucking place, well we're super sorry and it wasn'ne our fault blah blah blah"

[LLPunting]

The iphone app store simply has a link to the developer's privacy policy "which indicates that the developer does not collect any data from this app". Their small print however does include "disclosing your personal data ... in order to protect your vital interests or the vital interests of another natural person. ... Personal data is not kept "longer than necessary" blah blah blah which may be "maximum period of 6 years" and we try to keep it secure blahblahblah. 

In invisible ink it says "and if we get hacked and your personal data is spread about all over the fucking place, well we're super sorry and it wasn'ne our fault blah blah blah"

If the app is used by SPs to report SSs then it's collecting "data".   How does this service raise funds? 

[Marmalade]

If the app is used by SPs to report SSs then it's collecting "data".   

Maybe there's some fancy legal distinction between "collecting" and "having". They'll soon find a way of making money if it becomes popular. 'Upgrades' etc etc.

It sounds so wonderful to Service Providers. Catch all those nasty fellows. Except those seriously criminally minded fartheads will change their burner phones faster than the SPs change their knickers.

Of course, if you negatively review her, in her frustration, she may work herself into a state where she genuinely 'believes' you are a 'scammer'. You couldn't make it up. If there were a genuine app that could help SPs avoid dangerous people I would applaud it. It would become standard. Making prostitution legalised as a normal activity would go a long way. Bad customers and bad providers would be equally liable under the law.

[SynDee]

Couldn't agree more xx

[SynDee]

Fuck sake, you do bang on a bit!

It sounds a very unusual case to me. But if you think a punter is obsessive and harassing a prossie you can report it to admin. You'd better have a case, but UKP believe it or not doesn't tolerate 'punters' acting like complete cunts and a review that, for any reason, is discovered to be false, it is deleted or blacklisted in some way as far as I recall.

We have to have a site where punters can post what they think. You might not like it but that is the situation with any independent review site, even Axxxxxx. btw when sellers complain about a review to Axxxxxx they also need good evidence otherwise everyone would do it. And when sellers contact me about an honest review offering an incentive to improve it, I report that too and they get banned.

Without necessarily doubting the possibility that your report of an obsessive punter could be accurate, I don't believe for a minute that any prossie is "perfect in every way". And who are you to judge?? Out of hundreds of punters who fuck her, how many times have you fucked her? -- and even if you have that would only be one person's view.

She may be a very nice person, but that doesn't make her perfect. Any prossie can have a bad day, and often does, and any prossie may fail to make a punter feel good when he walks out after a session. You might be top of your game, but you are unlikely to please every soul and if you are that good then the 50 positive reviews will quickly make the one negative as nothing!

So basically, even if the story is completely true and I'm not saying it isn't, you have fuck all evidence to suggest it is a common occurrence or that it should even matter.

and you say I bang on abit lmao x

[SynDee]

Honestly it's a god send. It's saved my ass a few times when I've been roped in. Obviously I always make my own decision but it's saved me alot of heart ache in the past.
I.e  hi there I would like you to tie my bf up and make him do stuff to you. I would like to watch. We are both 21 and live in Cullompton.
My reply. Certainly yes it would be an honour.
8 reports.... turns out to be a 51 year old man that is pretending to be a lass. Well roped me in. I replied and relayed the truth. His response...  how did you know. Saved me alot of time and effort there x

[LLPunting]

Dear Syndee,
Thankfully catching idiot menaces is never difficult and ClientEye is not especially capable in identifying a fool who might use the same address or same phone number to make all these bogus bookings.  Now if ClientEye has access to cell tower tracking data then would be both surprising and worrying for SSs and SPs alike as any nefarious party hacking that info would be able to identify likely home addresses and exploit that.
Adultwork if used similarly carelessly by the idiot and SPs requiring a booking be made via AW would have enabled similar safeguarding.
Similarly Ugly Mugs and SAAFE could operate a fairly rudimentary "tracking" of offenders to the same effect by pooling reports from SPs, if they would register and use their service.
Any of the capable database programmers using this website, with a bit of help from an interface designer and a half-decent product/feature analyst could construct an online service to do as much for all registrees.  They could probably throw it together in a matter of days, if not hours.

[Marmalade]

Isn’t the problem partly one of drawing the most useful distinctions? Rapists or violent people need to be in a different category to obnoxious unwashed, to bogus clients and time wasters. The difficulty of any system is firstly the potential for being exploited — we’ve known cases of not only of ‘punter’-nutters but also of p4p hackers and p4ps posing as clients to rubbish competition in their area — yet too much caution could also result in serious cases not being treated effectively enough. I’ve heard horror stories from both punters and prossies — and as per my recent thread on criminalisation, the ultimate way to work together on this would I think be tolerance and acceptance of the profession, allowing decent men and women to do business in a decent fashion with idiots kept completely at bay.