Murder investigation.

[King Nuts]

I see that human remains have been found in the search for Sarah Everard, a serving police officer is currently being questioned but should he have been named before he has been charged, some newspapers even published his photo. SKY news last night refused to name him. He may well be guilty but at the moment he is innocent. ???

Ghastly though this case undoubtedly is, and we all have the greatest sympathy for the woman's family, I'm finding it increasingly odd that it's become such a headline-topping story. I mean, other women and girls have been assaulted, kidnapped and/or murdered over the years, and the time-rich, shouty, media commentariat never seem to hang on to the story for more than ten minutes.

And the way it's morphed into some nonsense about curfews for men is nothing short of fucking weird.

[willie loman]

Quite. I don't need to take any lessons on the subject and I don't claim the high ground or presume to tell other men what to do.

I've never abused a woman, struck a woman, intimidated a woman or threatened a woman.

But if I had to give advice to other men, it would be this: be considerate. And don't be a cunt.

plenty of other bad words in your locker, why use the c word, care to explain?

[Doc Holliday]

Ghastly though this case undoubtedly is, and we all have the greatest sympathy for the woman's family, I'm finding it increasingly odd that it's become such a headline-topping story. I mean, other women and girls have been assaulted, kidnapped and/or murdered over the years, and the time-rich, shouty, media commentariat never seem to hang on to the story for more than ten minutes.

And the way it's morphed into some nonsense about curfews for men is nothing short of fucking weird.

I agree it is bizarre the 'tangent' this has gone off at?

[King Nuts]

plenty of other bad words in your locker, why use the c word, care to explain?

It's one of my favourite words. Don't be such a prude.

[Jimmyredcab]

Ghastly though this case undoubtedly is, and we all have the greatest sympathy for the woman's family, I'm finding it increasingly odd that it's become such a headline-topping story.

It could have something to do with the main suspect being a serving police officer.   

[willie loman]

It's one of my favourite words. Don't be such a prude.

expected a more honest answer than that, you know full well that that word is considered offensive by woman, though many women use it themselves.

[Jimmyredcab]

Yes. In my opinion.

Because you are arguing against a point that was never made. The suggestion of a 6pm curfew for men was never given as a serious suggestion.

Maybe she was joking, maybe she was being sarcastic but the story has even reached the news outlets in Canada. 



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[Xtro]

I agree it is bizarre the 'tangent' this has gone off at?

Similar to the reaction when George Floyd was murdered in cold blood!

People have had enough. 

[Jimmyredcab]

Similar to the reaction when George Floyd was murdered in cold blood!

Totally different circumstances, and you know it.

George Floyd died while resisting arrest.

His family have just been awarded 27 million dollars, that’s not a typo.   

[Rondonumbanine9]

Totally different circumstances, and you know it.

George Floyd died while resisting arrest.

His family have just been awarded 27 million dollars, that’s not a typo.   

I think the person means the similarities between situations being that they’ve happened before but now the media’s attention on them have sparked a movement via social media.

[Apu]

Just had a chat with a woke fella.

I said how comes this poor girls death has been hijacked by the sexual assault, sexism, domestic abuse gang?

This was a abduction and murder by a dodgy cop!
Murderers have existed forever!

Apparently I missed the point! Apparently it's always women who are victim.... I said thats because women are physically weaker in general than predominantly male killers.

How am I, a middle class male meant to figure out who is a killer and lecture him when I see the red flags? Murderers are part of society and go undetected.... How is the male gender responsible for educating a potential murderer?

Now apparently I missed the point again.... Apparently its my responsibility to weed out the rapists, abusers, pedos and wrong un's too.

Wait.... When did this become a thing? So 30 million men are expected to walk around on a moral crusade. What if we let our guard down and forget to punish our naughty boys or get too intimidated to lecture a stranger or become victim to an assault.

There's lots of types of men, not all are brave, not all are outspoken, not all are great fathers and role models. Not all are present.

I just don't understand how murder and abduction by a copper turned into another agenda. There's nothing anyone could have done about that killer on that night?!

[David1970]

Just had a chat with a woke fella.

Did he introduce himself as a woke fella, or did you just decide he was a woke fella?

[Adoniron]

Totally different circumstances, and you know it.

George Floyd died while resisting arrest.

His family have just been awarded 27 million dollars, that’s not a typo.   

I think he stopped resisting several minutes before he died.

[David1970]

Similar to the reaction when George Floyd was murdered in cold blood!

People have had enough.

Your correct, black people had enough of police violence and the police getting away with it. Woman’s groups have had enough of being frightened of violence against them and some people not taking any notice.
In both cases people are saying to the authorities enough is enough, this needs to stop.

[Kev40ish]

Your correct, black people had enough of police violence and the police getting away with it. Woman’s groups have had enough of being frightened of violence against them and some people not taking any notice.
In both cases people are saying to the authorities enough is enough, this needs to stop.

So what’s the solution?
It’s easy to point out problems everyone can do that, harder to implement change...

[David1970]

So what’s the solution?
It’s easy to point out problems everyone can do that, harder to implement change...

I don’t know the answer but I do know if people started taking the problem seriously we would be heading in the correct direction. Claiming people who highlight this issue are just “woke” so can be ignored, will only help the perpetrators of violence against woman. The first thing is to admit a problem and take this problem seriously.

[Kev40ish]

I don’t know the answer but I do know if people started taking the problem seriously we would be heading in the correct direction. Claiming people who highlight this issue are just “woke” so can be ignored, will only help the perpetrators of violence against woman. The first thing is to admit a problem and take this problem seriously.

Taking the problem seriously? Which one should we focus on? Which is most urgent?

The problem is everyone is trying to gain attention for their particular issues. It unfortunately dilutes all their causes if they think they should be prioritised or their issue is more urgent than others

[threechilliman]

The vigil for Sarah tomorrow has been banned, a correct decision by the court in my opinion.

If mass gatherings are banned it has to apply to ALL mass gatherings, you can’t pick and choose which ones are justified. 

Agreed.

[maxxblue]

The vigil for Sarah tomorrow has been banned, a correct decision by the court in my opinion.

If mass gatherings are banned it has to apply to ALL mass gatherings, you can’t pick and choose which ones are justified. 

Agreed.

Unless it is grouse hunting, of course. 

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[threechilliman]

Ghastly though this case undoubtedly is, and we all have the greatest sympathy for the woman's family, I'm finding it increasingly odd that it's become such a headline-topping story. I mean, other women and girls have been assaulted, kidnapped and/or murdered over the years, and the time-rich, shouty, media commentariat never seem to hang on to the story for more than ten minutes.

And the way it's morphed into some nonsense about curfews for men is nothing short of fucking weird.

You tend to find that cases that make it into the news have something odd about them. Somebody makes sure the story makes it into the news.

The curfew for men thing was beyond belief. Say that about any other group and you'd be hung, drawn and quartered. But discrimination against men is fine.

[Kev40ish]

Agreed.

Unless it is grouse hunting, of course. 

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I’m not sure how something from September relates to this now?

[mills_and_bhuna]

Agreed.

Unless it is grouse hunting, of course. 

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they're not even trying to hide it now.
Now they've emasculated the left and Keir Smarmer is more interested in not offending big donors we can expect more.

[Kev40ish]

they're not even trying to hide it now.
Now they've emasculated the left and Keir Smarmer is more interested in not offending big donors we can expect more.

Politics?

[WASA38]

It could have something to do with the main suspect being a serving police officer.   

Another factor ,!'m convinced, is the physical attrectiveness and reported personality of the victim. It applies to child victims too. An example from memory is the case of two poor kiddies murdered at about the same some years past. One was a little girl, evidently working class and very plain looking, murdered in a playground somewhere up North. I can't remember more details, but there was very little publicity. The other was the lovely looking Madelein McCann. Looking at those eyes could make you weep. What a circus there !

[mr.bluesky]

Agreed.

Unless it is grouse hunting, of course. 

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Well the grouse have had a bit of a reprieve since a certain member of the royal family has been in hospital.  No doubt he will make up for lost time when he's feeling better.

[Sparta Prada]

Apparently the main suspect Wayne Couzens was due to be charged for an indecent exposure incident on the 28th February. Nothing was done and he was allowed to continue working.

The Met Police has referred itself to the Independent Office for Police Conduct following the murder of Sarah Everard. There is an obvious connection that had the accused been suspended from working as an officer following the indecent exposure, there’s a mighty chance Sarah Everard would still be alive today should he be proven to be the murderer.

Of course there is no guarantee that had he been suspended, the main suspect may have carried out this terrible atrocity on some other unfortunate victim.

[willie loman]

Another factor ,!'m convinced, is the physical attrectiveness and reported personality of the victim. It applies to child victims too. An example from memory is the case of two poor kiddies murdered at about the same some years past. One was a little girl, evidently working class and very plain looking, murdered in a playground somewhere up North. I can't remember more details, but there was very little publicity. The other was the lovely looking Madelein McCann. Looking at those eyes could make you weep. What a circus there !

true, but thats the way of the world.

[King Nuts]

Another factor ,!'m convinced, is the physical attrectiveness and reported personality of the victim. It applies to child victims too. An example from memory is the case of two poor kiddies murdered at about the same some years past. One was a little girl, evidently working class and very plain looking, murdered in a playground somewhere up North. I can't remember more details, but there was very little publicity. The other was the lovely looking Madelein McCann. Looking at those eyes could make you weep. What a circus there !

If you're referring to the girl stabbed to death in a park in Bolton, it was poor little Emily Jones. I don't remember much in the way of vigils for her. it is a sad and tragic fact that women and girls are abducted and murdered from time to time, but it's curious how some cases get masses of attention, and others very little. Not sure it's down to the 'physical attractiveness' of the victim, but class does play a part.

And now in the case of this latest grisly death, the Woke have climbed aboard. All part of their long-running grizzle against the police, Tories, and men in general.

[King Nuts]

I just don't understand how murder and abduction by a copper turned into another agenda.

I do. There's a new class consisting of permanently-offended grievance merchants. Thanks to advances in technology, medicine and capitalism, people have more time on their hands than ever before, and they live longer, so a great many people adopt ever more causes to get worked up about (climate change, men being offensive, capitalism etc etc) and therefore look for incidents and events to latch onto and to amplify their anger.

It explains why this latest murder is in the news (allegedly committed by a copper....booo!) and the murder of a 7 yr old in a park was brushed under the carpet quickly (perpetrator had allegedly been an asylum seeker.)

There's a league table of offence and offenders in these people's minds. Coppers, tories and men invariably float to the top of the list. Climate change deniers, the Royal Family, and anti-vaxxers are in there too, but a bit lower down.

More or less any news item, however irrelevant to the cause, can be turned around to suit the argument if you try hard enough.

[hendrix]

It starts at home and in school. Boys routinely sexually harass girls and it's accepted as "boys will be boys" - which leads to entitlement.

Those boys (and there are millions of them) think it's fine to grab tits and arses in clubs etc and fine to bully and catcall women.

Every single woman I know has been harassed by a man. "Not all men" bollocks, it's millions of men. Not all rapists (though a shocking amount get away with it) and murderers, but plenty of stalkers and creeps.


As for the people crying about the "woke" - these are the dangers to women. No doubt they prefer the old days when you could slap a woman around or rape your wife.

It's all "banter" till it happens to someone you care about. These men should be repeatedly punched in the balls.

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There are quite a few working girls in SW4, some willing to go 15 min for £40. I wonder why the alleged murderer didn’t take that option?

There is something to be said regarding ethical prostitution perhaps, or prostitution and its role in maintaining civil order.

Just saying. 

[hendrix]

There are quite a few working girls in SW4, some willing to go 15 min for £40. I wonder why the alleged murderer didn’t take that option?

There is something to be said regarding ethical prostitution perhaps, or prostitution and its role in maintaining civil order.

Just saying. 

It's not about sex. It's about power. You pay a WG for a shag, she has the power. You take it from a woman by force and you do. Boundary pushing punters straddle that line.

[Jimmyredcab]

Every single woman I know has been harassed by a man. "Not all men" bollocks, it's millions of men. Not all rapists (though a shocking amount get away with it) and murderers, but plenty of stalkers and creeps.

Yes, and your solution is what exactly. ????????

We live in a violent world, more men than women are killed every year.

I don't know the answer but it's not going to be solved by having vigils and marches.     

[hendrix]

Yes, and your solution is what exactly. ????????

We live in a violent world, more men than women are killed every year.

I don't know the answer but it's not going to be solved by having vigils and marches.     

I don't have a solution, why would I? 

I agree about vigils and marches, they're largely pointless.

I guess we could start by making sure that if we see a friend of ours being inappropriate/creepy/predatory with a girl who clearly doesn't want to know.. We could say "leave her alone mate" I think it's these types of small things that could help at least.

Like seeing a man threatening a woman in the Tesco carpark (as I saw the other day) and just walking over to check that it doesn't escalate.. That type of thing. I wasn't brave enough to actually intervene, but she saw that I was there, and so did he.

[Jimmyredcab]

I don't have a solution, why would I? 

There’s a reason you don’t have a solution, because none exist.

If this copper is found guilty then he is simply a criminal, there are lots of unanswered questions, did Sarah know him, how did he manage to abduct her and what involvement did the copper’s wife have, she has been released on bail.

[David1970]

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[Blackpool Rock]

Your correct, black people had enough of police violence and the police getting away with it. Woman’s groups have had enough of being frightened of violence against them and some people not taking any notice.
In both cases people are saying to the authorities enough is enough, this needs to stop.

I can't put a % on it but I would say the vast majority of men are of the opinion that violence towards women / rape / sexual assault etc is disgusting and totally unacceptable.
The majority of men have an underlying instinct to protect women more than they feel the need to protect another man, so take the situation of a group night out and most men wouldn't blink an eye if a male friend said he was walking a mile home on his own, whereas they would push a female friend to get a taxi and even pay for it if needs be or make sure someone walked with her etc

The way I look at it is that I know the difference between right and wrong and I also treat women with respect along the lines of "Would I be happy if a man was treating / talking to my Mum; sister; daughter; wife / GF etc" in this manner

Another consideration here though is that the fear of crime is often out of proportion with the reality of it happening, I've only read about half of this so far but as already eluded to by others most women are killed by partners or people they already know rather than by strangers.
If you look at the statistics about 2/3 of people murdered are men and of those murders men are about 3 times more likely than women to be murdered by a stranger or unknown attacker

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[hendrix]

There’s a reason you don’t have a solution, because none exist.

If this copper is found guilty then he is simply a criminal, there are lots of unanswered questions, did Sarah know him, how did he manage to abduct her and what involvement did the copper’s wife have, she has been released on bail.

Sure, but my point is about the wider harassment and "lower level" violence against women that seems to be acceptable to many.

[Jimmyredcab]

Sure, but my point is about the wider harassment and "lower level" violence against women that seems to be acceptable to many.

Some women will take offence if you hold open a door for them or call them “Luv”.      

I don’t know any men who think that violence towards women is acceptable.   

[Blackpool Rock]

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Historically though there has been a massive problem with the reporting or rather the non reporting of rape as the Womans reputation was trashed as she was often portrayed as being guilty or responsible for it happening / asking for it etc 
It was the old thing about wearing a short skirt or being in a pub on her own then they would trash her for not being a virgin so she must have been "promiscuous" or similar.

Even if women reported rape they often dropped the case before it went to court, more women are now prepared to report and take it to court but let's be honest the rape figures are no doubt woefully under reported.
The main defence for men these days is to admit to having sex but to claim it was consensual as with DNA etc they know the sexual act can be proved.
On the flip side however there will be cases of consensual sex which are then maliciously reported as rape which is also disgraceful

[Xtro]

....... Like seeing a man threatening a woman in the Tesco carpark (as I saw the other day) and just walking over to check that it doesn't escalate.. That type of thing. I wasn't brave enough to actually intervene, but she saw that I was there, and so did he.

I know a couple of occasions where a mate (of a mate), has intervened when a bloke is pushing his girl around and it ends up with the woman telling matey to fuck off and even turning on him.   

Whether that's "true love" or not on her behalf I don't know; or maybe she's acting out of fear.
In either case it would put me off intervening in a similar situation.

[Chorley]

I know a couple of occasions where a mate (of a mate), has intervened when a bloke is pushing his girl around and it ends up with the woman telling matey to fuck off and even turning on him.   

Whether that's "true love" or not on her behalf I don't know; or maybe she's acting out of fear.
In either case it would put me off intervening in a similar situation.

This has happened to me in a professional capacity more than I care to remember. I've then had the joy of both parties ranting at and threatening me with all sorts of unpleasantness. 

[Yankee21]

Some women will take offence if you hold open a door for them or call them “Luv”.      

I don’t know any men who think that violence towards women is acceptable.   

Generational or not - calling a women 'luv' is condescending

[Blackpool Rock]

Another factor ,!'m convinced, is the physical attrectiveness and reported personality of the victim. It applies to child victims too. An example from memory is the case of two poor kiddies murdered at about the same some years past. One was a little girl, evidently working class and very plain looking, murdered in a playground somewhere up North. I can't remember more details, but there was very little publicity. The other was the lovely looking Madelein McCann. Looking at those eyes could make you weep. What a circus there !

Yeah i've often thought this myself too, if it's a pretty young female then it's almost as if it's a bigger story or more of a shame than compared to some fat / spotty ugly bug whereas the reality is that it's still a persons life.

It's like the pretty young girl who died a few years ago from a food allergy as Pret A Manger didn't bother correctly labelling things made in store, would the story have been so big if she'd fallen out of the ugly tree 

[David1970]

Some women will take offence if you hold open a door for them or call them “Luv”.      

I don’t know any men who think that violence towards women is acceptable.   

No one in this day and age calls females they don’t know “ Luv” such a condescending and demeaning word, no wonder they take offence.

[Chorley]

Generational or not - calling a women 'luv' is condescending

Really? Maybe it's a generational thing, but I use that term quite frequently and have never noted any offence taken? Of course if someone asked me to not call them that or I felt they were uncomfortable I would stop there and then. I'm sure tone, body language and many other factors impact more than words alone?

[Jimmyredcab]

Generational or not - calling a women 'luv' is condescending

Typical woke comment.   

How about holding open a door for a woman, do you also find that offensive.   

[Yankee21]

Typical woke comment.   

How about holding open a door for a woman, do you also find that offensive.   

It's not a 'woke'  comment Jimmy stop using phrases that you don't understand. 
Holding a door open is manners.

There is a difference.

[king tarzan]

Bizarre. Perhaps because it's a copper and they think they can claim 'public interest'? 

If a serving sensitive assignment policeman wasn't involved it just would of been another fleeting murder news..

[Jimmyredcab]

No one in this day and age calls females they don’t know “ Luv” such a condescending and demeaning word, no wonder they take offence.

Really ??????????

In my local market all the stall holders call the old girls “Luv”, never heard them object.   

You are clearly the type that like to be offended on behalf of others.