Reasons an SP would know about UKP

[sparkus]

Hmm, you won't last long on here with your common sense and rational thinking. This won't do at all 

Indeed, next there'll be discussion about there being bad punters as well as bad SPs

[nike]

Most girls probably do just find this with a google search. In fairness, this forum isn't too hard to find.

I've seen three girls who definitely know about the site, all from AW. All three I gave positives to.

Girl 1: Is very well reviewed on here (100% positives) and commented on my review of her. Was alright on my review but got herself banned from here in an argument on someone else's review of her after I saw her.
Girl 2: Is also 100% positively reviewed, is a member of the site and hasn't been banned. Very much plan to revisit sometime.
Girl 3: Is quite well reviewed, mostly positive but a few neutral and a negative. Isn't a member as far as I know but read my review on her. Was going to re-book but she didn't take kindly to my review despite it being positive.

I just can't understand how these wgs are working out who the poster is. Are you telling them or including details in the review that narrows it down to u?

[Rochelle]

I just can't understand how these wgs are working out who the poster is. Are you telling them or including details in the review that narrows it down to u?

It's really not that difficult usually.

[timsussex]

I just can't understand how these wgs are working out who the poster is. Are you telling them or including details in the review that narrows it down to u?

Writing a decent review without giving some clues of who you are can be difficult esp if you dont wait a couple of months but contemporaneous reviews are more valuable IMHO

while i appreciate that current circumstances have meant that 12 month old reviews are allowed  hope this is a temporary measure as
 i tend to take  anything over 3 months old as a very rough guide

[Herts_Outcaller]

One girl I went with asked how I found out about her.

I basically said "you've got about 50 good reviews on this website called UKPunting"

She replied with "Actually it's 32"


She knew exactly what her review count was   

This is the only time I've ever mentioned the website to a wg

[RedKettle]

Perhaps you could explain what "permanent" details about him were passed around such that he couldn't make bookings with those that reference SAAFE, Ugly Mugs et al, before confirming and hosting a booking?  We could all then take better precautions.

Why do you always have such an issue with punters taking what most of us consider sensible precautions? I am not getting into it again as have explained it several times, but if somebody thinks it is important that is fine, if you do not that is also fine.  Why do you always go on a crusade as if mortally offended that others wish to ensure WGs do not connect them with the review?

[signy]

I used it mainly for my own research really. Reading the reviews and threads gave me an insight into the mind of some clients. It probably helped me in a way to offer the services that most guys were looking for. 

...and in reverse, this is the reason punters should read some of the SAAFE threads. Learn what the other party likes/dislikes and all will (usually) go smoother.

[sparkus]

One girl I went with asked how I found out about her.

I basically said "you've got about 50 good reviews on this website called UKPunting"

She replied with "Actually it's 32"

She knew exactly what her review count was   

This is the only time I've ever mentioned the website to a wg

Surely you could have just mentioned the primary site on which she advertises e.g. AW or VS?

Whenever I call one I generally say where I saw the ad in the first two sentences (which was awkward once when it was a wrong number)

If visiting a massage shop on the back of a favourable review here it generally pays to have a back pocket answer to this question and they can try to catch you out.  The hardest to spin is 'A friend recommended' as they sometimes ask more details, so you have to think on your feet (which can be hard when trying to enjoy a massage).

The old dependable is 'I saw you in reception when visiting another girl' and the receptionist told me you work today (though that doesn't work well if you have called up to ask when a certain girl works).

I've been laid face down on a table before and overheard walk in customers ask if a certain girl is available, which you just know is off the back of here as they sound so uncertain. 

I've also had women say 'For some reason I'm getting a lot more bookings recently' (yes love, your chest)

Also had some say they refuse 'by name 'bookings from non-regulars as they know it's as a result of here (one said she was suspicious as her new clients were all asking about extras before the flip).

[JonasG]

While I completely understand that delaying a review helps maintain anonymity, there are times when a punt/SP was so bad that you’d want to get on here as soon as possible to warn others (particularly with touring SPs)...

Yep.

I review all negatives ASAP, I'm never gonna see them again so no issue about them knowing it's me.

[JonasG]

You've got maybe 10 years on me in this hobby so we've both had plenty of time to go through all the trials and tribulations of paying different women for sex and what each encounter might bring to us beyond just the act, enough war stories to line the walls of a good sized pub. 

Perhaps a SIM isn't the best example, since "good practice" advanced multiple times in just recent years has been your punting number should never be considered permanent.  It is one of the first things to be discarded if you suspect your safety has been compromised.
And, again as has often been described (currently multiple new threads discussing this), you can pick up a PAYG SIM in most any large town and every city or out of town shopping mall.  No mail delivery (if you don't have pick-up service points a la Axxxxxx), no registration needed, no contract, just top-up when you need to subject to a fairly trivial moment of use every so often to keep the line active.

If a punter is going to wet themselves over changing a secret phone number then they probably aren't resilient enough to punt...

Yep totally agree. Obviously if you're using your real number then it's a different matter.

If a WG wants to send me abuse on my punting phone (a phone which is switched off unless I'm punting or booking lol) by all means go for it ha.

My punting phone and AW account are useless to me. I can change both ASAP and not notice any difference to my punting.

[LLPunting]

Writing a decent review without giving some clues of who you are can be difficult esp if you dont wait a couple of months but contemporaneous reviews are more valuable IMHO

while i appreciate that current circumstances have meant that 12 month old reviews are allowed  hope this is a temporary measure as
 i tend to take  anything over 3 months old as a very rough guide

It's one thing to write "I stuck four fingers in her to the hilt" or "I started with one and ended up fisting her" in contrast to "she allows/enjoys fingering" and let punters enjoy the discovery if indeed either of the previous 2 descriptions were actually the case.  The latter is less identifiable of the lucky culprit.

You don't have to describe what techniques you used on her or go on about how many times she came because that will get you tagged (unless you're lying).  You don't have to describe the events in the order they took place.  You don't have to say what scent either was wearing and how it was commented on.

A little bit of time might work for girls who hate the work or don't stay in for long but all the "old hands" have pretty good memories.  Many's the time I might return after months away and they'll mention what is wanted/not possible from last time.  Some will recount what we did as part of their tease in the new encounter.   Women's memories are more than capable of recalling and certainly being reminded of specific events, particularly if they were unusually good or bad.

So boast if you like, puff your chests at how (atypically) good looking or well/poorly endowed you are and any other real attributes and behaviours but all these truths are identifiers that will be the only reason you need their memory to fade for.  Telling us they do this, that or the other well or badly does not usually spotlight you from the other 30 guys she dealt with before or since your encounter and your recounting, the exception being you indulged in an extra that she isn't known for, in which case she will remember you a week, month perhaps even 6 months after.  So discretion isn't about letting time pass, it's about what you recount and how you do it. 

[LLPunting]

Why do you always have such an issue with punters taking what most of us consider sensible precautions? I am not getting into it again as have explained it several times, but if somebody thinks it is important that is fine, if you do not that is also fine.  Why do you always go on a crusade as if mortally offended that others wish to ensure WGs do not connect them with the review?

RK, you really are missing the point, this has nothing to do with being "mortally offended that others wish to ensure WGs do not connect them with the review", this is all about the incredulity that punters think that by recounting their exploits in great and unnecessary detail many weeks or months after the fact they will go unrecognised by a woman smart enough to go to the trouble of monitoring this site or canny enough to note her first-time clients are insisting on particular services in a particular way just like all her other new clients since X wrote THAT review. 

Punters relying on SP "stupidity" to ensure their privacy is foolish when their own stupidity gives them away.

Reviewing here isn't a pissing match it's about doing what you can to help fellow punters.  Just because some of us don't care if the girls recognise us doesn't mean others who do have to still write like they don't.  There are plenty of great examples of very brief, useful reviews that do very little to break a punter's id.  If you're here wanting to be adored because you write entertainingly (memorably) about your exploits yet fearing the wrath of the ladies in question then you priorities aren't sensible.

Punters regale about darling punts of yesteryear, why can't SPs similarly recall memorable encounters and who they were with?

[Mr Sinister]

In my experience, a number of SPs have their little spies on here that let them know whenever anyone leaves a review or discusses them.  Don't know whether it's to endear themselves to the lady or if they genuinely feel involved with them enough to have a stake in their reputation 

You find this in other forums too white knights about, telling girls on leaks and whatever else. All because if they simp hard enough they think the girls will fall in love with them, be their gf etc....

I have the fight club rule when it comes to UKP, I don't talk about it to wgs or mates, this is my secret space that I enjoy sharing with fellow punters. Like to hold an "Honor among thieves" type code.

[Fuggedaboutit]

Punters relying on SP "stupidity" to ensure their privacy is foolish when their own stupidity gives them away.

Reviewing here isn't a pissing match it's about doing what you can to help fellow punters.  Just because some of us don't care if the girls recognise us doesn't mean others who do have to still write like they don't.  There are plenty of great examples of very brief, useful reviews that do very little to break a punter's id.  If you're here wanting to be adored because you write entertainingly (memorably) about your exploits yet fearing the wrath of the ladies in question then you priorities aren't sensible.

Up to a point, I agree, but there may well be niche "likes" that a girl lists, but not all punters avail themselves of. How many overnights do girls who offer them actually do...? If it's one every month (fuck knows, I have no idea. I just know how many I've had...) say, and of those maybe 6/12 involved tie and tease and 4 involved watersports and 2 of those involved strapon, say, you're still going to have basic not dressed up information which other punters would like to know but which could still identify.*

Not saying your analysis is wrong, more that surely no review site, especially when relating to a niche hobby such as ours, where vested interests might exist (despite mods best efforts) is going to be foolproof?

Additionally, even the experienced make the occasional fuck up...it's like people falling for scams, or Gordon Jackson replying in English when boarding the bus in "The Great Escape"...

*even more so if you throw in e.g. nationalities or specialities (TS) escorts of which there is a smaller pool....

[sparkus]

You find this in other forums too white knights about, telling girls on leaks and whatever else. All because if they simp hard enough they think the girls will fall in love with them, be their gf etc....

I have the fight club rule when it comes to UKP, I don't talk about it to wgs or mates, this is my secret space that I enjoy sharing with fellow punters. Like to hold an "Honor among thieves" type code.

When it's been brought up I've always denied being the one to review them but then tried, very gently, to ask a) what the site is (for my 'research purposes' ) and b) why it was mentioned to them by a customer ("He got it out on his phone and showed me" )

As you say, it's that simp mentality, the same one that tells WGs they're worth more than what they're charging

[LLPunting]

Up to a point, I agree, but there may well be niche "likes" that a girl lists, but not all punters avail themselves of. How many overnights do girls who offer them actually do...? If it's one every month (fuck knows, I have no idea. I just know how many I've had...) say, and of those maybe 6/12 involved tie and tease and 4 involved watersports and 2 of those involved strapon, say, you're still going to have basic not dressed up information which other punters would like to know but which could still identify.*

Not saying your analysis is wrong, more that surely no review site, especially when relating to a niche hobby such as ours, where vested interests might exist (despite mods best efforts) is going to be foolproof?

Additionally, even the experienced make the occasional fuck up...it's like people falling for scams, or Gordon Jackson replying in English when boarding the bus in "The Great Escape"...

*even more so if you throw in e.g. nationalities or specialities (TS) escorts of which there is a smaller pool....

Aha!  Yes, indeed, that was the point I was making, maintaining discretion when choosing to disclose rarely/unusually performed advertised acts, although your concern is predicated on knowing how often she performs assumed rarities.  Do you really think she'll forget you if she only does it a few times in 6 months (or a year), especially if your review reminds her of the exact acts that happened, how they were done, what was said, in what order, what was being worn, what jokes were told, what personal stories were shared?   

There's the quandary, to be materially honest about all you did in honour of the brotherhood or to reserve some discretion because it keeps you safe and doesn't detract from your recommendation to see or avoid her. 

Is the punter a known connoisseur of a genuinely rarely reported act?  Is the SP a reputed expert?  Do you say you discussed it, do you say you partook, do you describe every movement and sensation as you indulged?  What belongs in a diary and what really needs to be told to those who might want to try?

[Fuggedaboutit]

Aha!  Yes, indeed, that was the point I was making, maintaining discretion when choosing to disclose rarely/unusually performed advertised acts, although your concern is predicated on knowing how often she performs assumed rarities.  Do you really think she'll forget you if she only does it a few times in 6 months (or a year), especially if your review reminds her of the exact acts that happened, how they were done, what was said, in what order, what was being worn, what jokes were told, what personal stories were shared?   

There's the quandary, to be materially honest about all you did in honour of the brotherhood or to reserve some discretion because it keeps you safe and doesn't detract from your recommendation to see or avoid her. 

Is the punter a known connoisseur of a genuinely rarely reported act?  Is the SP a reputed expert?  Do you say you discussed it, do you say you partook, do you describe every movement and sensation as you indulged?  What belongs in a diary and what really needs to be told to those who might want to try?

Well, that’s going make reviewing easier. “Turned up, did depraved stuff, value for money..,”

[LLPunting]

When it's been brought up I've always denied being the one to review them but then tried, very gently, to ask a) what the site is (for my 'research purposes' ) and b) why it was mentioned to them by a customer ("He got it out on his phone and showed me" )

As you say, it's that simp mentality, the same one that tells WGs they're worth more than what they're charging

I never prolong the conversation about UKP, I only admit to seeing a listing site ad, AW or agency profile, popping in on a walk-by or being recommended by the management.  Admitting to reviews brings into conflict honesty about looks, how good she is at doing something and what she'll do for everyone and your want to keep seeing her because she becomes "speshul" to you.  Rare are the SPs who accept the honesty of an unvarnished review that will still treat you like a king thereafter.  Rarer than a "good wife".

Beyond that I have offered to write Google or Tripadvisor reviews for spas (utc parlours) that offer civvies services.

[LLPunting]

Well, that’s going make reviewing easier. “Turned up, did depraved stuff, value for money..,”

Job done 

It's like "you" asking me or Tantraman "Is she worth givin' one?" as we pass in the reception of a parlour and then waiting through our drollery and minutiae as your hangover kicks in.

[RedKettle]

RK, you really are missing the point, this has nothing to do with being "mortally offended that others wish to ensure WGs do not connect them with the review", this is all about the incredulity that punters think that by recounting their exploits in great and unnecessary detail many weeks or months after the fact they will go unrecognised by a woman smart enough to go to the trouble of monitoring this site or canny enough to note her first-time clients are insisting on particular services in a particular way just like all her other new clients since X wrote THAT review. 

Punters relying on SP "stupidity" to ensure their privacy is foolish when their own stupidity gives them away.

I don't think I am missing the point because you bang on about this repeatedly on several threads.  It is up to each punter to decide what security is appropriate and if i think that delaying say a week or a fortnight is helpful because she may have had several other punts and is less likely to connect mine with the review that is fine.  Personally I will tend to avoid details that might identify my punt and may alter some of the fact pattern - not in a way that makes the review less useful. 

One or two regulars have found out that I am RK but I have not reviewed them again after that.  One caught me out by directly asking if I was RK and I was off guard (cock had just been in her month as I recall) and said yes.  She later told me she had been asking pretty much every client!

[LLPunting]

I don't think I am missing the point because you bang on about this repeatedly on several threads.  It is up to each punter to decide what security is appropriate and if i think that delaying say a week or a fortnight is helpful because she may have had several other punts and is less likely to connect mine with the review that is fine.  Personally I will tend to avoid details that might identify my punt and may alter some of the fact pattern - not in a way that makes the review less useful. 

One or two regulars have found out that I am RK but I have not reviewed them again after that.  One caught me out by directly asking if I was RK and I was off guard (cock had just been in her month as I recall) and said yes.  She later told me she had been asking pretty much every client!

RK, the persistence is about dismantling the false argument about details.  If a punter "just wants to wait a few weeks" because they're intractable about it then that's that.  If he believes she will probably/possibly forget him after x days/weeks  of being "pounded by other punters" despite him being one of the few to do x+y+z to her then that is what I'm getting at. 

There is of course little protection against a persistent SP intent on "smoking" out a client in the way you mention.
Was she chasing to give a bollocking or a thank you?

[robo90]

...........I sat and chatted with her for 30 mins!!!!! I felt I was conversing with a good old friend and we both enjoyed the conversations! To top it, I showed her Igor's UKpunting review ..she loved it! she was like wow! she even took a picture of it! )
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This topic reminded me of this review, I guess that's one way an SP can find out about this site 

[Jerk Chicken]

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So UKP is the only site you've contributed reviews to during your punting career?

Yes that right save for AW feedback. May now start to review Negs immediately not as if I’ll ever be going back!

[Jerk Chicken]

@ Jerkchicken, how did they know it was u that reviewed them?

In part my reviews gave too much away but mostly punters informing the SP of my review hoping I imagine some “extras” might come their way!

#punks

[LLPunting]

Yes that right save for AW feedback. May now start to review Negs immediately not as if I’ll ever be going back!

The safer you make it for the rest of us 

[Joe Exotic]

Jerkchicken what a creep by the sounds of it. Wonder if he’ll infiltrate under another alias.

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[ulstersubbie]

Jerkchicken what a creep by the sounds of it. Wonder if he’ll infiltrate under another alias.

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A very unpleasant individual. Fair play to the mods for banning him.

[Horseman]

Jerkchicken what a creep by the sounds of it. Wonder if he’ll infiltrate under another alias.

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What a pleasant individual......

Makes me wonder though - should his reviews be removed from the site as not really reliable?

[Payyourwaymate]

Wow, I'm shocked about JC. I don't know what to say he seemed like a cool guy here. How wrong I was.

[Horseman]

Wow, I'm shocked about JC. I don't know what to say he seemed like a cool guy here. How wrong I was.

Most abusive wankers are good at hiding their true self to others

[Lou2019]

Most abusive wankers are good at hiding their true self to others

exactly you don’t see people announcing it  look at some of the prolific paedophiles and serial killers for example that came across as good guys 

[sparkus]

Wow, I'm shocked about JC. I don't know what to say he seemed like a cool guy here. How wrong I was.

I didn't have him down as a 60 year old with "Gordon Gecko braces".

[Payyourwaymate]

I didn't have him down as a 60 year old with "Gordon Gecko braces".

Me neither  . I read that thread like this.

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That aside, it's unfortunate what happened to those women.

[MrMatrix]

Jerkchicken what a creep by the sounds of it. Wonder if he’ll infiltrate under another alias.

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Bloody hell this is awful. He lasted a long time here before he was found out. No excuse to SPs like this either.......

[hendrix]

Wow, I'm shocked about JC. I don't know what to say he seemed like a cool guy here. How wrong I was.

One of the worst pieces of scum this site has ever seen, seemed pretty harmless and was quite funny too sometimes.

[JonasG]

Oh wow, what a worm.

Suppose in hindsight some of his posts were quite misogynist but not to the extent of doing this.

I know the saafe forum has a bad rep on here for odd opinions but shows how important that forum is to highlight pricks like that.

[bedhedred]

What a pleasant individual......

Makes me wonder though - should his reviews be removed from the site as not really reliable?

Round Xmas time karimbenzima1991 was causing a stir. KB was nasty, but I've not heard that he ever bruised a WG.

Punters get banned for far less misdemeanours IMHO. He is now polluting the forum with multiple reviews (6) all written on Christmas Eve of alleged punts that hardly nobody believes anymore.

Ban the fucker!

[LLPunting]

In part my reviews gave too much away but mostly punters informing the SP of my review hoping I imagine some “extras” might come their way!

#punks

Oh the irony a few days make...

He's been laughin' at us for over 2 years 

I gave him a rough start but thought him innocuous once he established a more compliant persona, makes you wonder...

[LLPunting]

I didn't have him down as a 60 year old with "Gordon Gecko braces".

Yup, he certainly painted a different picture to fat and odorous.

Hopefully these ladies will have more luck against him than the 2 SP UKPers whose abusers weren't pursued or prosecuted.

[JonasG]

Oh the irony a few days make...

He's been laughin' at us for over 2 years 

I gave him a rough start but thought him innocuous once he established a more compliant persona, makes you wonder...

Guys like him are just impossible to spot on here I'd say. His reviews were so good and so in-depth, it just seemed he gave back a lot to the site.

Yup, he certainly painted a different picture to fat and odorous.

Hopefully these ladies will have more luck against him than the 2 SP UKPers whose abusers weren't pursued or prosecuted.

Yeah lol. Pretty sure he said he was in his 20s or 30s and the reason he got such good service was because he had "a way with WGs" and because of his good looks or something.

[bedhedred]

I never really read his reviews apart from this one where he got the red carpet treatment from a tiny petite girl in her early 20s who'd made me feel fairly alienated both times I met her (first time intentionally; second time as a B&S). I've got some tips and pointers now. Gecko braces and cheap wine.

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£210 – 2 hours. DFK, OWO, CIM, FACIAL, SEX, WHIP, NIPPLE CLAMP, BALL GAG, CUFFS
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Guzzled our way through two bottles of wine
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Time check = in/out 2 hours, 25 minutes.

He probably didn't mention that he out stayed his welcome by 25 minutes. And they might have been wondering if he would leave. Some of this stuff is corroborated in the saafe posts.

[Palomaxxxxxx]

Yeah lol. Pretty sure he said he was in his 20s or 30s and the reason he got such good service was because he had "a way with WGs" and because of his good looks or something.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Might be speaking for myself but don’t think WGs give a shit about how conventionally attractive you are. I personally don’t. Cleanliness, good manners and respecting boundaries is all that matters. Three qualities he clearly didn’t grasp

[LLPunting]

What a ridiculous thing to say. Might be speaking for myself but don’t think WGs give a shit about how conventionally attractive you are. I personally don’t. Cleanliness, good manners and respecting boundaries is all that matters. Three qualities he clearly didn’t grasp

No point telling us that, you need to go tell the SPs on SAAFE who are reporting problem encounters with smelly, boundary-pushing thugs and all the girls "JC" reviewed.

[mace-window]

Jerkchicken what a creep by the sounds of it. Wonder if he’ll infiltrate under another alias.

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Wow. I always thought he was alright and around my age. Not 60 + years old. It looks like you can never trust what some UKo member claim they are.

Oh wow, what a worm.

Suppose in hindsight some of his posts were quite misogynist but not to the extent of doing this.

I know the saafe forum has a bad rep on here for odd opinions but shows how important that forum is to highlight pricks like that.

I agree JonasG that we give saafe a bad rep but it things like this that shows that sites like Saafe are needed to give a spotlight on these low life punters and warn WG's on potential dangerous punters.

[mace-window]

What a ridiculous thing to say. Might be speaking for myself but don’t think WGs give a shit about how conventionally attractive you are. I personally don’t. Cleanliness, good manners and respecting boundaries is all that matters. Three qualities he clearly didn’t grasp

Let be honest Palomaxxx. Would an escort rather be with an average - ugly punter who has good hygiene, good manners and respect your boundaries or an attractive punter with same attributes mentioned before for ugly punter?

I think it is pretty obvious what most escorts would rather have as potential regular client.

But in regards to Jerk Chicken situation I agree that he does not have the three qualities plus likely to be ugly as well  .     

[smiths]

I never really read his reviews apart from this one where he got the red carpet treatment from a tiny petite girl in her early 20s who'd made me feel fairly alienated both times I met her (first time intentionally; second time as a B&S). I've got some tips and pointers now. Gecko braces and cheap wine.

He probably didn't mention that he out stayed his welcome by 25 minutes. And they might have been wondering if he would leave. Some of this stuff is corroborated in the saafe posts.

If that WG was based in NW10 at the time she always offered me a good service as per my positive review, so she could offer one if she chose to.

I had no indication till more recently that JC was a cunt, and he had by then been reported on here as one. Kev got rid which i thank him for.

[smiths]

What a ridiculous thing to say. Might be speaking for myself but don’t think WGs give a shit about how conventionally attractive you are. I personally don’t. Cleanliness, good manners and respecting boundaries is all that matters. Three qualities he clearly didn’t grasp

This depends on the WG of course, in my experience good experienced WGs either don't care what i look like which is one ugly mother, or they pretend they don't. My end of the deal is to arrive on time with the agree money, clean and not be a horrible cunt.

[finn5555]

My end of the deal is to arrive on time with the agree money, clean and not be a horrible cunt.

Spot on 👍

[Payyourwaymate]

What a ridiculous thing to say. Might be speaking for myself but don’t think WGs give a shit about how conventionally attractive you are. I personally don’t. Cleanliness, good manners and respecting boundaries is all that matters. Three qualities he clearly didn’t grasp

It's hard to believe when your post can come off as trying to appease potential clients. I have not seen anyone on WG websites blowing up the trumpets of unattractive clean respectful punters when I last checked.

[shagmore]

With regards to the title of this thread, does it really mater that a Wg knows about this site. It might do some of them good to know the level of service they provide for our hard earnt bucks.

There are a lot of Wg's out there that take the piss, not all - some give great service - but others don't, they should know about it. If this was any other industry sector they would be reported to the office of fair trading. Maybe the government should set up an office of fair fucking.

You can bet they have their own secret sites and groups going on about us punters