Best European Cities

[Splodge]

This thread has turned into somewhat of a Low Countries/ Germanfest!
Not that there’s anything wrong with that but ATM I need a nearby beach ffs!

Den Haag has a beach. In the summer it must be rocking.

[decadentd]

Ostend RLD is 15 mins from the beach - not the best beach, admittedly, but not bad.  Ostend  remains excellent for surrealist art and seafood, on the plus side.

There was also a Privehuis on the seafront at Nieupoort. 

[Splodge]

Oostende must be fantastic in the summer.

[pegman8]

Is the rld in Oostende near the station still open?
I was last there about 1998 and heard that it had been moved out of town, but couldn't find out where.

[Splodge]

Is the rld in Oostende near the station still open?
I was last there about 1998 and heard that it had been moved out of town, but couldn't find out where.

I was there about 3 or 4 years ago and it was still there. About 5 to 10 ladies in the day.

[decadentd]

An Antwerp style Eros centre was planned for an old industrial building in Ostend - but I don't think anything has happened.  The proposed 'Hangar l'amore' would have been run by the Villa Tinto group.   

More signs of the times in Belgium, sadly. 

[decadentd]

An update from Belgium.  It now appears that the planned 'mega brothel' for Ostend is now going ahead!

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Coronavirus is now spiking again, so very little else to report - but interesting that this story has new life.  An Antwerp style set up would be very welcome, and I can only guess that the City wants to redevelop the current RLD?  This will be a remarkable turn around in the face of the remarkably intolerant and un-Belgian attacks on the RLD's in recent years.   

However,  it will  indeed  have to  be  seen  to be  believed

[Helloyou75001]

Funny when I wrote Ostend in google map it showed me Frankfurt near the river! I thought for an instant it was there. I really much liked frankfurt RLD and I think it's the best one I ve seen so far in term of choice and price (not in quality though)

Is it worth going to Ostend (Belgium) at the moment?

[Helloyou75001]

Barcelona of all the places I have visited is by far the best. I’ve now been over 50 times so I know it really well

You are spoilt for choice; the metro is great; it is a beautiful and interesting city; very low cost for everything compared to uk. Stunning girls, far more open minded and far cheaper than uk punts

CTID

 

Is it mainly via Slumi? I didn t find it that cheap and not that many easreen european girls there lol. I have to admit i have a crush on EE girls

[Splodge]

Me personally. I'd start in London for the t-girl clubs and the remaining strip pubs. Then the eurostar to Antwerp. Then on to my favourite rlds in Den Haag. Well , Doubletstraat. Soy favourite rld.  Train to Bochum. A quick stop in Aachen for it's rld. Then Bochum. Bochum is my favourite punting city.

[Steve2]

Is it mainly via Slumi? I didn t find it that cheap and not that many easreen european girls there lol. I have to admit i have a crush on EE girls

External Link/Members Only is a good place to start

Use Google Chrome and it will autotranslate to English

[Helloyou75001]

External Link/Members Only is a good place to start

Use Google Chrome and it will autotranslate to English

Thanks i m gonna spend some time looking there as well

[METEOR]

Me personally. I'd start in London for the t-girl clubs and the remaining strip pubs. Then the eurostar to Antwerp. Then on to my favourite rlds in Den Haag. Well , Doubletstraat. Soy favourite rld.  Train to Bochum. A quick stop in Aachen for it's rld. Then Bochum. Bochum is my favourite punting city.

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What t-girl clubs are best to go to in London? I've been thinking about having a weekend there as where I live in England there's not much around. Tia

[Splodge]

There are a fair few t-girl clubs in London. I'll message you. There's also some strip pubs. Used to be more but thankfully still a few.

[decadentd]

In terms of coming to Belgium, I would say no at the present.  Not worth the hassle. 

The restrictions are getting worse and it's now mandatory for four days a week working from home - but no lockdown!   

[Splodge]

Oostende is a lovely city but the rld doesn't have loads of windows. Maybe see 6 or 7 ladies working during the day. Punted there once with a Belgian milf. Excellent service.

[Steve2]

Oostende is a lovely city but the rld doesn't have loads of windows. Maybe see 6 or 7 ladies working during the day. Punted there once with a Belgian milf. Excellent service.

I hear that there are plans for a new RLD in Ostend similar to the one in Antwerp

[Splodge]

That would be worth seeing as I love Oostende. And if it was well stocked it'd be a bonus.

[decadentd]

It is certainly sounding more encouraging, but there have been many stops and starts - all due to the mesmerising  world that is politics in Belgium!

The Antwerp model has been a huge success, and it is hoped that this model will find a home in sunny Ostend.

A pity that the local politics in Liege stopped the same concept - there is a huge market now in France as the laws are so prohibitive and it could have been a game changer for Seraing, where the current rather unappealing, RLD is located.  The tedious, militant feminists are ascendant in Wallonia ?

Sex, politics and money - volia!  Welcome to Belgium 

[Marmalade]

What makes a city ‘best’?

The mix will vary from person to person but some generalities:

1. Are there direct flights, what do they cost, or how long does it take to get there?
2. How easy is it? (i.e. open and under your nose or requiring prior knowledge and travelling about).
3. What other obstacles are there? (e.g. language, laws to skirt, prevalence of scams).
4. How cheap is it? (Some people like it to at least be cheaper than at home, others are less bothered).
5. RLD or outcalls only? (Some like to look before they buy).
6. Types available (quickies or longer punts; comfort or not bothered).
7. Quality of service, variety (many nationalities, relaxed punts, dependable service).
8. Nice city? (You have to do something in between punts — though some are not bothered what).

[Sullivan]

What makes a city ‘best’?

The mix will vary from person to person but some generalities:

1. Are there direct flights, what do they cost, or how long does it take to get there?
2. How easy is it? (i.e. open and under your nose or requiring prior knowledge and travelling about).
3. What other obstacles are there? (e.g. language, laws to skirt, prevalence of scams).
4. How cheap is it? (Some people like it to at least be cheaper than at home, others are less bothered).
5. RLD or outcalls only? (Some like to look before they buy).
6. Types available (quickies or longer punts; comfort or not bothered).
7. Quality of service, variety (many nationalities, relaxed punts, dependable service).
8. Nice city? (You have to do something in between punts — though some are not bothered what).

One of the best things with Kiev is that you are punting local women. We all know that there is limitless punting in Germany but, in my experience, it’s all Romanians. London isn’t too far behind, to be fair.

Go to Kiev, walk about, realise that your average woman on the street is gorgeous. Then get a gorgeous WG and she is a local and can talk about touristy things to do, good local pubs and restaurants as well.

I’ve punted in flats in London, RLD windows, Laufhäuser and FKK in Germany and in salons in Kiev.

London is just awful. Expensive, you never know what you’ll get when you show up and no alternatives for 3 miles if you don’t like what you see.

Germany is much better in terms of seeing what is on offer first and you’ve got a bit of competition to keep service good, but it’s all Romanians who have come to Germany specifically to be WGs.

Kiev, these seemed to be local students making a few quid on the side, happy to meet a western guy, talk about life then have sex. My one regret from Kiev is that I didn’t book the first WG for a whole evening, take her to dinner and then head back to my Airbnb for some action.

[Helloyou75001]

One of the best things with Kiev is that you are punting local women. We all know that there is limitless punting in Germany but, in my experience, it’s all Romanians. London isn’t too far behind, to be fair.

Go to Kiev, walk about, realise that your average woman on the street is gorgeous. Then get a gorgeous WG and she is a local and can talk about touristy things to do, good local pubs and restaurants as well.

I’ve punted in flats in London, RLD windows, Laufhäuser and FKK in Germany and in salons in Kiev.

London is just awful. Expensive, you never know what you’ll get when you show up and no alternatives for 3 miles if you don’t like what you see.

Germany is much better in terms of seeing what is on offer first and you’ve got a bit of competition to keep service good, but it’s all Romanians who have come to Germany specifically to be WGs.

Kiev, these seemed to be local students making a few quid on the side, happy to meet a western guy, talk about life then have sex. My one regret from Kiev is that I didn’t book the first WG for a whole evening, take her to dinner and then head back to my Airbnb for some action.

Where do you find your punt in kiev? Is it in the street talking to them? Dating site?

I ve been in dating a while (ok cupid, mamba, etc) and chosing kiev gives me barely no result.

So Kiev may work if you are at least aveeage looking but non attractive people may have way more luck in Germany where atteactiveness is not a factor

[Sullivan]

Where do you find your punt in kiev? Is it in the street talking to them? Dating site?

I ve been in dating a while (ok cupid, mamba, etc) and chosing kiev gives me barely no result.

So Kiev may work if you are at least aveeage looking but non attractive people may have way more luck in Germany where atteactiveness is not a factor

There is a guy on here called Anonymous who spoke of a great knocking shop he had visited in Kiev but couldn’t remember an exact address, only gave vague directions as he has been taken there by someone else.

I went to the general area, asked a taxi driver who took me there. It was fucking amazing. I called it 93k as that is the code on the intercom. I think several others from here then went. I went back three times on my visit.

I also went to a massage place which some English guys I met out there had been to and recommended. When I was walking back to my Airbnb one evening, a taxi man whistled and asked if I wanted girls. It isn’t hard to come by in Kiev.

If you’re looking for pure punt, I think Kiev is paradise. I haven’t been to Spain, to SE Asia etc so can’t say definitively but quality of women, the fact they are locals, price is so good that you can do two hours or bring three WGs in.

I also went on a tinder date, had no problem finding one. I was looking for a one night stand. The girl was very pleasant but not into that kind of thing. She was after a western boyfriend. She was well spoken, had a good job, has visited the U.K. with work. But I didn’t even get a kiss off her so I sacked her off for the rest of the trip, although she was keen to meet again.

[Helloyou75001]

There is a guy on here called Anonymous who spoke of a great knocking shop he had visited in Kiev but couldn’t remember an exact address, only gave vague directions as he has been taken there by someone else.

I went to the general area, asked a taxi driver who took me there. It was fucking amazing. I called it 93k as that is the code on the intercom. I think several others from here then went. I went back three times on my visit.

I also went to a massage place which some English guys I met out there had been to and recommended. When I was walking back to my Airbnb one evening, a taxi man whistled and asked if I wanted girls. It isn’t hard to come by in Kiev.

If you’re looking for pure punt, I think Kiev is paradise. I haven’t been to Spain, to SE Asia etc so can’t say definitively but quality of women, the fact they are locals, price is so good that you can do two hours or bring three WGs in.

I also went on a tinder date, had no problem finding one. I was looking for a one night stand. The girl was very pleasant but not into that kind of thing. She was after a western boyfriend. She was well spoken, had a good job, has visited the U.K. with work. But I didn’t even get a kiss off her so I sacked her off for the rest of the trip, although she was keen to meet again.

Thanks for these details. I'm not clear from your details where to get punts?

I know Tinder is a no go because I can swipe forever and only match bots. Even now I do that there is just no way as I'm not attractive.

The massage shop they do massage right? I can't get there just for sex and bj?

So there is this area from anonymous (where it is?) and waiting for a taxi driver to tell me where to get girls?

Doesn't seem very easy to me.

In germany I just go to the brothels and its easy to find them. And for €30-50/punt it's not gonna break the bank

[Sullivan]

Thanks for these details. I'm not clear from your details where to get punts?

I know Tinder is a no go because I can swipe forever and only match bots. Even now I do that there is just no way as I'm not attractive.

The massage shop they do massage right? I can't get there just for sex and bj?

So there is this area from anonymous (where it is?) and waiting for a taxi driver to tell me where to get girls?

Doesn't seem very easy to me.

In germany I just go to the brothels and its easy to find them. And for €30-50/punt it's not gonna break the bank

There’s plenty of info on here.

If it were me, I’d go to the McDonalds at the Maidan, find a taxi there and tell him you want to go somewhere for girls. I’m not sure if 93k exists any more. Everything seems to have changed since lockdown 1.

The message salon I went to seems to have since closed down.  But there are undoubtedly others.

As I’ve said above, undoubtedly Germany is better in terms of having girls on display in defined areas, and you just take your pick. But you’ll be picking Romanians who have traveled to Germany to work in the sex industry.

In Kiev, you’ll be punting with local girls, an amazingly attractive nationality, who seem to have plenty more going on in their lives than standing in a rld window or hanging round an FKK smoking fags for 12 hours a day.

[Helloyou75001]

There’s plenty of info on here.

If it were me, I’d go to the McDonalds at the Maidan, find a taxi there and tell him you want to go somewhere for girls. I’m not sure if 93k exists any more. Everything seems to have changed since lockdown 1.

The message salon I went to seems to have since closed down.  But there are undoubtedly others.

As I’ve said above, undoubtedly Germany is better in terms of having girls on display in defined areas, and you just take your pick. But you’ll be picking Romanians who have traveled to Germany to work in the sex industry.

In Kiev, you’ll be punting with local girls, an amazingly attractive nationality, who seem to have plenty more going on in their lives than standing in a rld window or hanging round an FKK smoking fags for 12 hours a day.

I hear what you say. But you are saying to trust the taxi to get local girls for sex... i'll wait to see more review from kiev I suppose..

[Marmalade]

Sullivan — I’ve maybe missed a post you made elsewhere, but what sort of prices did you pay?
Secondly did you have all these bon homie with local women without speaking the language??

[vindici]

I hear what you say. But you are saying to trust the taxi to get local girls for sex... i'll wait to see more review from kiev I suppose..

Read my field report, plenty of info and links in there to find punts in Kyiv.

Also, on my latest outing, I had no problem getting matches on Mamba, just be clear with your intentions and use Google Translate liberally.

[Sullivan]

I hear what you say. But you are saying to trust the taxi to get local girls for sex... i'll wait to see more review from kiev I suppose..

That’s exactly what I did. It might not be to everyone’s taste to do it, but it worked out fine for me. Anonymous told me of a great place in a neighbourhood. I walked around, couldn’t see it, asked a taxi driver.

In most cities in the world, if you’re looking for something a bit special then a taxi driver will sort you out.

He charged me a fare to take me there and seemed fairly friendly with the madam. It was also more expensive the first time I was there so I think he will have got a kickback.

Honestly, sitting in an opulent apartment on a big leather sofa and a line up of stunning girls comes in. It was amazing.

Then I put all my findings on ukp for the good of the community, so the next guy can save the taxi fare and the time spent looking.

[Sullivan]

Sullivan — I’ve maybe missed a post you made elsewhere, but what sort of prices did you pay?
Secondly did you have all these bon homie with local women without speaking the language??

Just to caveat that this is March 2019. I got a girlfriend in summer 2019, then lockdown came so I haven’t been back out there since.

Looking back at my post history, it was 1,600 uah per hour in 93k. The exchange rate doesn’t seem to have changed much, about £45. The first time I went, with the taxi driver, I had to pay 2,000 which I think incorporated his finders fee.

As regards the chat, I just spoke in English to them. As I’ve said, they all told me that they are students. They’re young, good standard of English, well educated. At the massage salon Adele, I had a Ukrainian sim in my phone and sent them a text message from that. If I recall correctly, they wouldn’t deal with a Ukrainian phone number so I then sent it from my WhatsApp, which was configured with my U.K. number. They’re all set for international visitors.

Apparently there is a split between talking in Russian and Ukrainian and it can be quite hostile. There’s no point in learning a few words in one to impress people as you don’t know who you’re speaking to.

[vindici]

Just to caveat that this is March 2019. I got a girlfriend in summer 2019, then lockdown came so I haven’t been back out there since.

Looking back at my post history, it was 1,600 uah per hour in 93k. The exchange rate doesn’t seem to have changed much, about £45. The first time I went, with the taxi driver, I had to pay 2,000 which I think incorporated his finders fee.

As regards the chat, I just spoke in English to them. As I’ve said, they all told me that they are students. They’re young, good standard of English, well educated. At the massage salon Adele, I had a Ukrainian sim in my phone and sent them a text message from that. If I recall correctly, they wouldn’t deal with a Ukrainian phone number so I then sent it from my WhatsApp, which was configured with my U.K. number. They’re all set for international visitors.

Apparently there is a split between talking in Russian and Ukrainian and it can be quite hostile. There’s no point in learning a few words in one to impress people as you don’t know who you’re speaking to.

The standard fee for the "apartments" is now 1500UAH for basic service, suck and fuck covered, no GFE, no DATY. If you want GFE and DATY then add on at least 2000UAH more for a total service price upwards of 3500UAH for an hour.

In March 2021, there was a mass closure of apartments as the guy who ran most of them got out of the business, partially due to economic reasons, and partially due to problems with the police in general. The scene has just about recovered, but the quality is not the same at all, and the prices are higher.

As for speaking a few words in the local language, anything you know as a foreigner is appreciated in my experience. If I can use a Ukrainian word, I always do, and so far not had any negative reactions, this is in Kyiv. In Lviv I expect that Ukrainian is even more expected, but in the Crimea they would lean Russian.

[Sullivan]

The standard fee for the "apartments" is now 1500UAH for basic service, suck and fuck covered, no GFE, no DATY. If you want GFE and DATY then add on at least 2000UAH more for a total service price upwards of 3500UAH for an hour.

In March 2021, there was a mass closure of apartments as the guy who ran most of them got out of the business, partially due to economic reasons, and partially due to problems with the police in general. The scene has just about recovered, but the quality is not the same at all, and the prices are higher.

As for speaking a few words in the local language, anything you know as a foreigner is appreciated in my experience. If I can use a Ukrainian word, I always do, and so far not had any negative reactions, this is in Kyiv. In Lviv I expect that Ukrainian is even more expected, but in the Crimea they would lean Russian.

Thanks vindici. Do you think it is worth the journey nowadays?

I did plenty besides mongering, although there isn’t much touristy left on my list in Kyiv itself. If I were to go out again, it would be just for the hobby and, from what you say, I might be disappointed.

With the calibre of wg that I punted, and the service I received, 3,500 would still be worth it.

[Splodge]

What makes a city ‘best’?

The mix will vary from person to person but some generalities:

1. Are there direct flights, what do they cost, or how long does it take to get there?
2. How easy is it? (i.e. open and under your nose or requiring prior knowledge and travelling about).
3. What other obstacles are there? (e.g. language, laws to skirt, prevalence of scams).
4. How cheap is it? (Some people like it to at least be cheaper than at home, others are less bothered).
5. RLD or outcalls only? (Some like to look before they buy).
6. Types available (quickies or longer punts; comfort or not bothered).
7. Quality of service, variety (many nationalities, relaxed punts, dependable service).
8. Nice city? (You have to do something in between punts — though some are not bothered what).

1 & 2. Germany is good for me. Only Den Haag and Antwerp attract me if it's not Germany. Out of the places I've been I mean. Which isn't as much as a lot of you.

3 & 4. Germany again. And those mentioned if not. Especially where there is Latina milfs hot spots. Yum. Or Hungarian ladies. Yum again. Germany and North Western Europe rlds offer a lot of stunning women that I'd never be able to pull in real life. Den Haag, Leeuwarden, Antwerp, Oberhausen, Hannover, Frankfurt, Bochum, Duisburg, etc. The women I have manged to enjoy. Wow. For €30 it's a fuck fest. Some I don't go to any more but have enjoyed some great business in those mentioned.

5. Rlds, sex kino club and 2 swinger venues. Bochum is my favourite. I like swing clubs as I find it a buzz. Side note. For me I always try to go with a full bag. Lol. Still gaining experience. Germany again ticks the boxes I require. Bochum especially. Love being in a real German place too.

6. Depends on the lady. Quickies or longer are fine. I mostly look for good service with no rush. We've all had terrible experiences I'm sure but find a good one who let's you pump and dump enjoyably, with no rush, and that's what I really want. Have been lucky to find some gems over the years. I've found Latinos and Hungarians to be the best, but have also enjoyed many other nationalities. But those two types for me are the business.

[Splodge]

What makes a city ‘best’?

The mix will vary from person to person but some generalities:

1. Are there direct flights, what do they cost, or how long does it take to get there?
2. How easy is it? (i.e. open and under your nose or requiring prior knowledge and travelling about).
3. What other obstacles are there? (e.g. language, laws to skirt, prevalence of scams).
4. How cheap is it? (Some people like it to at least be cheaper than at home, others are less bothered).
5. RLD or outcalls only? (Some like to look before they buy).
6. Types available (quickies or longer punts; comfort or not bothered).
7. Quality of service, variety (many nationalities, relaxed punts, dependable service).
8. Nice city? (You have to do something in between punts — though some are not bothered what).

7. As mentioned. I love Latinos and Hungarian ladies. But it all depends on the ladies. Looks wise they're all beautiful. But I am addicted to Latino ladies. And Hungarian ladies have a unique look also. As said it all depends on the lady. I've been fortunate to have had fun with women from the Dominican republic, Mexico, Brazil, the Netherlands, Romania, Moldova, Hungary, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia, Costa Rica, Italy and others too. But out of them all I tend to look for Hungarians and Latinos. If anyone knows any hotspots for these types of women do let me know.

8. Between punts I like to get some presents in. Or check out a local sex venue. Or get some nice food. Or have some beer.

Germany is perfect for what I'm looking for. Or mostly. Lovely people. Safe as can be. Lovely food and beer. Excellent transport links. Beautiful women I never thought I'd be able to get to shag but I have thankfully. Albeit in swing clubs but no complaints from me. Swing clubs. Really do love Germany. Rlds in a lot of main cities too. Some have 2 or 3 and many are pretty close to the city hbf.

Overall, I go, or did a while ago for the rlds. Then it progressed to swing clubs. Now I would mix both up. If I was living in Germany I'd visit an rld once a week. Or a swing club. It's very well set up over there.

[vindici]

Thanks vindici. Do you think it is worth the journey nowadays?

I did plenty besides mongering, although there isn’t much touristy left on my list in Kyiv itself. If I were to go out again, it would be just for the hobby and, from what you say, I might be disappointed.

With the calibre of wg that I punted, and the service I received, 3,500 would still be worth it.

I for sure think Kyiv is worth it and and chomping at the bit to revisit.

In terms of the hobby there is no shortage of punts to be had. Read my field report for inspiration.

I just prefer indies to the apartment girls, much cheaper and generally better service.

[webpunter]

 
Please post a link coz not so easy to find as no Awank ref

I for sure think Kyiv is worth it and and chomping at the bit to revisit.

In terms of the hobby there is no shortage of punts to be had. Read my field report for inspiration.

I just prefer indies to the apartment girls, much cheaper and generally better service.

[Steve2]

Please post a link coz not so easy to find as no Awank ref

Here you go Webbie 

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=288506.msg3011342#msg3011342

[vindici]

What makes a city ‘best’?

The mix will vary from person to person but some generalities:

1. Are there direct flights, what do they cost, or how long does it take to get there?
2. How easy is it? (i.e. open and under your nose or requiring prior knowledge and travelling about).
3. What other obstacles are there? (e.g. language, laws to skirt, prevalence of scams).
4. How cheap is it? (Some people like it to at least be cheaper than at home, others are less bothered).
5. RLD or outcalls only? (Some like to look before they buy).
6. Types available (quickies or longer punts; comfort or not bothered).
7. Quality of service, variety (many nationalities, relaxed punts, dependable service).
8. Nice city? (You have to do something in between punts — though some are not bothered what).

My views on Kyiv

1. Are there direct flights, what do they cost, or how long does it take to get there?
Flights from where I am based are reasonably priced, but nothing direct, I usually go through Warsaw and spend 1 night there (and punt 2/3 Poles if I can 🙃)

2. How easy is it? (i.e. open and under your nose or requiring prior knowledge and travelling about).
Punting in Kyiv is readily available and there is extensive help here on UKP and even more on ISG

3. What other obstacles are there? (e.g. language, laws to skirt, prevalence of scams).
Language primarily, you can get by easily with Google Translate. Just ensure you have WhatsApp, Viber and Telegram installed if you wish to book Indies and make reservations with agencies without going through an intermediary.

4. How cheap is it? (Some people like it to at least be cheaper than at home, others are less bothered).
Much cheaper than UK, can get indies for £40/h, if you go top end you can get a stunner with all services for £100/h

5. RLD or outcalls only? (Some like to look before they buy).
There are brothels if you like to browse first, otherwise Indies can be booked for in and outcalls

6. Types available (quickies or longer punts; comfort or not bothered).
All types of punts are available

7. Quality of service, variety (many nationalities, relaxed punts, dependable service).
My experience has been that the quality is top notch, but I am careful in my research and align all my demands in advance to avoid disappointment/confusion. No Roms there at all 🙏, and the Ukrainians, Russians and Belarussians who are there have professional attitudes.

8. Nice city? (You have to do something in between punts — though some are not bothered what).
Kyiv is nice enough, but I just focus on punting and working. I did sightseeing on my first visit and that's enough for me. I do however make sure I try different restaurants while there and there is plenty of trendy places to visit. I have even been to different speakeasies and hidden bars.

[Brimich]

€35 on Doubletstraat (recent increase from €30) & €50 on Geleenstraat, for basic service.

reading back through the history here……introducing Den Haag into this discussion is like putting Stockport County into the Champions League…..dull city, dull nightlife and dull scene…..and I must have visited 100 times…….with work never choice.

[Brimich]

My views on Kyiv

1. Are there direct flights, what do they cost, or how long does it take to get there?
Flights from where I am based are reasonably priced, but nothing direct, I usually go through Warsaw and spend 1 night there (and punt 2/3 Poles if I can 🙃)

2. How easy is it? (i.e. open and under your nose or requiring prior knowledge and travelling about).
Punting in Kyiv is readily available and there is extensive help here on UKP and even more on ISG

3. What other obstacles are there? (e.g. language, laws to skirt, prevalence of scams).[/b
And Kiev was really good….I worked there also…..as well as Moscow, and Kiev is where the Russians went to meet good looking girls. Tbh I think I preferred Moscow, but met some stunning women.
Language primarily, you can get by easily with Google Translate. Just ensure you have WhatsApp, Viber and Telegram installed if you wish to book Indies and make reservations with agencies without going through an intermediary.

4. How cheap is it? (Some people like it to at least be cheaper than at home, others are less bothered).
Much cheaper than UK, can get indies for £40/h, if you go top end you can get a stunner with all services for £100/h

5. RLD or outcalls only? (Some like to look before they buy).
There are brothels if you like to browse first, otherwise Indies can be booked for in and outcalls

6. Types available (quickies or longer punts; comfort or not bothered).
All types of punts are available

7. Quality of service, variety (many nationalities, relaxed punts, dependable service).
My experience has been that the quality is top notch, but I am careful in my research and align all my demands in advance to avoid disappointment/confusion. No Roms there at all 🙏, and the Ukrainians, Russians and Belarussians who are there have professional attitudes.

8. Nice city? (You have to do something in between punts — though some are not bothered what).
Kyiv is nice enough, but I just focus on punting and working. I did sightseeing on my first visit and that's enough for me. I do however make sure I try different restaurants while there and there is plenty of trendy places to visit. I have even been to different speakeasies and hidden bars.

[FunTimesYesPlease]

7. As mentioned. I love Latinos and Hungarian ladies. But it all depends on the ladies. Looks wise they're all beautiful. But I am addicted to Latino ladies. And Hungarian ladies have a unique look also. As said it all depends on the lady. I've been fortunate to have had fun with women from the Dominican republic, Mexico, Brazil, the Netherlands, Romania, Moldova, Hungary, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia, Costa Rica, Italy and others too. But out of them all I tend to look for Hungarians and Latinos. If anyone knows any hotspots for these types of women do let me know.

8. Between punts I like to get some presents in. Or check out a local sex venue. Or get some nice food. Or have some beer.

Germany is perfect for what I'm looking for. Or mostly. Lovely people. Safe as can be. Lovely food and beer. Excellent transport links. Beautiful women I never thought I'd be able to get to shag but I have thankfully. Albeit in swing clubs but no complaints from me. Swing clubs. Really do love Germany. Rlds in a lot of main cities too. Some have 2 or 3 and many are pretty close to the city hbf.

Overall, I go, or did a while ago for the rlds. Then it progressed to swing clubs. Now I would mix both up. If I was living in Germany I'd visit an rld once a week. Or a swing club. It's very well set up over there.

Hi Splodge in your posts you mentioned swing clubs a bit which seem to be in germany, just want to understand if you can recommend any particular good ones and how they work ? entrance fee and action with girls etc  PM if you prefer

In the UK only swingers club i've been to expects you to come with a partner and there is a shortage of women so not normally entertained as plenty of men looking, In the ones you've been to is it also couples but as a single male you can still get action ?

[FunTimesYesPlease]

Reading all this has me itching to get away ,ideal scenario would be going on a trip with like-minded members as always travel solo

Planning a solo trip to Malaga mid March on my own if you or anyone else is interested, be good to catchup couple of times and go to Estark92 as a minimum etc 

Let me know - PM me

If anyone has been recently or has some current tips would certainly be appreciated - first time going

As far as Europe goes only did Amsterdam many years ago, window shopping was great and girls were stunning but service was rushed and not great.  I caught a train to Den Haag (I Think) on recommendation while there, girls were cheaper and friendlier but not as stunning

[webpunter]

Have done some punting in Malaga
Surprisingly lots of options, especially on massage stuff
You gotta get to Estark 92, more than once
Best to check if any virus restrictions in place for clubs & knocking shops being allowed to open
Reck i've been there 25x ish not sure exactly
Just a bit of a trek in a taxi
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You could try New Scandalo, supposedly full of south americans
Not sure how busy in March
I would suggest later in the week Wed to Sat busier than Sun to Tues [more fit SPs as more punters]
If i was travelling in March i would most likely stay in Fingerhola, smaller & right by the sea
You can get to Malaga by taxi & the benefit is that Estark is on your doorstep
And read up on the threads on Spain on here, especially with regard to booking indies [various links showing]
Good luck on your travels

Planning a solo trip to Malaga mid March on my own if you or anyone else is interested, be good to catchup couple of times and go to Estark92 as a minimum etc 

Let me know - PM me

If anyone has been recently or has some current tips would certainly be appreciated - first time going

As far as Europe goes only did Amsterdam many years ago, window shopping was great and girls were stunning but service was rushed and not great.  I caught a train to Den Haag (I Think) on recommendation while there, girls were cheaper and friendlier but not as stunning

[BaldEagle]

Have done some punting in Malaga
Surprisingly lots of options, especially on massage stuff
You gotta get to Estark 92, more than once
Best to check if any virus restrictions in place for clubs & knocking shops being allowed to open
Reck i've been there 25x ish not sure exactly
Just a bit of a trek in a taxi
External Link/Members Only
You could try New Scandalo, supposedly full of south americans
Not sure how busy in March
I would suggest later in the week Wed to Sat busier than Sun to Tues [more fit SPs as more punters]
If i was travelling in March i would most likely stay in Fingerhola, smaller & right by the sea
You can get to Malaga by taxi & the benefit is that Estark is on your doorstep
And read up on the threads on Spain on here, especially with regard to booking indies [various links showing]
Good luck on your travels

Why stay in a shit hole like Fuengirola when you can stay in Malaga itself. A much under-rated city with lots to see and plenty of places to eat and it even has a well known beach at La Malagueta where the locals go. When you are ready to play you have one of the best known brothels on the Costa in Velazquez24 (External Link/Members Only) where the incalls will cost you 100 euros an hour or they will arrange outcalls for 150. Or check out Slumi for the city (External Link/Members Only) where you will find lots of options on your doorstep. If you then want to venture down the coast to Estark easily if you wish. 

[FunTimesYesPlease]

Thanks guys some good info, it seems people are saying New Scandalo is expensive and over rated so I may stick to Estark.

Any dressing standards required for Estark ?  Do they also have pole dancing to keep you entertained between punts ?

[FunTimesYesPlease]

Have done some punting in Malaga
Surprisingly lots of options, especially on massage stuff
You gotta get to Estark 92, more than once
Best to check if any virus restrictions in place for clubs & knocking shops being allowed to open
Reck i've been there 25x ish not sure exactly
Just a bit of a trek in a taxi
External Link/Members Only
You could try New Scandalo, supposedly full of south americans
Not sure how busy in March
I would suggest later in the week Wed to Sat busier than Sun to Tues [more fit SPs as more punters]
If i was travelling in March i would most likely stay in Fingerhola, smaller & right by the sea
You can get to Malaga by taxi & the benefit is that Estark is on your doorstep
And read up on the threads on Spain on here, especially with regard to booking indies [various links showing]
Good luck on your travels

Forgot to any webpunter and recommended massage places ?  how does it work (Hand Relief only) and what is typically the total cost ?

[webpunter]

Last visit was 2019 before the virus hit
Estark @ €80 ish 30 mins doubel for the hour maybe €150
Some of the real fitties charge €10 / €20 more
Massage places, the ads are changing all the time
More like €80-€120 for the hour, some places extras available
Depends how fit it seems
Some of the real pukka parlours may add some - worth it if jacuzzi sumptuous rooms etc
You can get an idea of the pricing if you some pre trip research 

Forgot to any webpunter and recommended massage places ?  how does it work (Hand Relief only) and what is typically the total cost ?

[FunTimesYesPlease]

Thanks assuming relaxed dress code for estark being a night club?  Jeans trainers ok?

[webpunter]

Yep
Smart trainers unless you wanna look like a bell end
Some white or bright clobber will show up well in the UV light
Its aint a night club, its a knocking shop
There is a stage IIRC where the burds take it in turns to do a strip show
When the song is gonna finish & if you like the look of her you can loiter & snag her
Sometimes there is a restaurant open next door, easy to access
The building used to be a hotel & its now 5 ish floors of hoors
You need some coins to pay for the sheet / towels which get issued at a reception desk on the way to the rooms
€2-3 maybe
Otherwise you'll have to give em a note & look tight asking for change
Not a bad idea to buy em a drink, anything but champagne [€€].  Maybe €10-12 for a G&T type drink.  I usually go for a vodka red bull
Those with good english will maybe have a chat for 5-10 mins depending how busy the place is
Take a 2nd drink to the room & a bottle or two of water aint a bad idea, especially if a longer booking
Pretty sure you can order drinks from the room for maybe a €5 tip for delivery
Must make a return trip now that lockdown is lifting

Thanks assuming relaxed dress code for estark being a night club?  Jeans trainers ok?

[FunTimesYesPlease]

Thanks Webpunter for the info much appreciated, Definitely sounds like you need to get back :-)

Found this Erotic / Tantra Massage place looks good, anyone got experience or know a good one themselves ?

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