Going undercover

[Bradleystacks]

Hi guys first post here, been a lurker for god knows how long (with signing up being disabled since god knows when)

Long story short I've gone onto the other site ( the banned one) and blended in for the past six months. From the six months I've found 27 profiles in the North East alone that are doing bareback under the counter!!!! That's 27 who don't have it ticked on their profile. Some of the names will astound members here I can't believe half of them. A few even clearly state on their profiles no bareback you'll be blocked etc. Most of the swapping is done by private message and it's honestly making me want to quit punting, something I've enjoyed for ten years now. The girls I'm shocked at finding out bareback are some of the most reviewed on here, which is even more shocking. My question to members is do you think this bareback has more to do with the pressures put on people due to what's happened with covid? Ie earning more money?? I mean some of them offer it for as little as £20 extra!!! Surely things can't be that bad that you'd risk your health for £20?

The girls I've found out who do offer bareback who haven't been outed on here have confirmed to me via texts emails and face to face ( which I've declined obviously making an excuse of having a partner and not wanting to risk catching anything) shall I make a North East bareback avoidance thread with the girls names on or leave it as it is and only see girls I know, or bloody hope don't bareback?? I'm at a loss as to what to do going forward. The most surprising one was a regular of mine who is well reviewed and who I did have an or what I thought was an amazing connection with. Any thoughts on what we as a group should do to warn other gents are appreciated

[daviemac]

Do you know how long this site has been going, do you not think if we wanted or needed a bareback avoidance thread there would be one.

What evidence do you have that firstly the escort is the actual escort you think it is and that they actually do bareback.

Don't believe everything you read on the internet.  This site isn't the place for unfounded allegations and hearsay. If an established member posted that he had been offered bareback I would believe him. However if someone who has been a member for a couple of days claims that certain escorts bareback then I would be lees inclined to believe it.

[Bradleystacks]

Agree with some of the points made. However you will see me regularly posting on here and reviewing girls I've seen in the last six months when time allows it. As for the girls I've messaged either on their phone number or adultwork. I know girls do bareback that's obvious it happens. However when the number is 27 I just find it absolutely shocking.

[daviemac]

Agree with some of the points made. However you will see me regularly posting on here and reviewing girls I've seen in the last six months when time allows it. As for the girls I've messaged either on their phone number or adultwork. I know girls do bareback that's obvious it happens. However when the number is 27 I just find it absolutely shocking.

The trouble is, in my opinion a bareback avoidance thread is a ready-made hotlist for those who seek it. Whereas all punters are able to look at the same site you have and spot any they feel they should avoid, a thing that should be done as part of the due diligence process.

Apart from that you are not speculating on here, you've been here five minutes why should I trust anything you say. 

[daviemac]

BTW you are right I will see you posting on here because I will be watching you.

[Bradleystacks]

The trouble is, in my opinion a bareback avoidance thread is a ready-made hotlist for those who seek it. Whereas all punters are able to look at the same site you have and spot any they feel they should avoid, a thing that should be done as part of the due diligence process.

Apart from that you are not speculating on here, you've been here five minutes why should I trust anything you say.

Davie of course people can look on there. My point is that the majority are under the counter as they call it. Even profiles which in some cases have it wrote in capital letters stating they don't bareback are offering it secretly. My whole point in the article was to state that there is a lot more than the ones everyone can view that offer it as opposed to the ones everyone knows about

[daviemac]

Davie of course people can look on there. My point is that the majority are under the counter as they call it. Even profiles which in some cases have it wrote in capital letters stating they don't bareback are offering it secretly. My whole point in the article was to state that there is a lot more than the ones everyone can view that offer it as opposed to the ones everyone knows about

Do you want to stay on this site?

[catweazle]

I think Davie has been around enough and is a sufficiently experienced mod to have developed a highly sensitive Spidey sense. So far this reads like a newbie wanting to make a sensationalist entry into the forum.

[Shearer1955]

Some very spurious comments by a new poster  who offers no evidence except inflammatory remarks  certain to create offence to many ... 
Somehow if you really are a punter as you suggest then its the wrong game for you & this forum is also something which you should avoid
You are already under the scrutiny of moderators ... your credibility is wafer thin & If as seems likely you are a troll your time is limited

[daviemac]

I think Davie has been around enough and is a sufficiently experienced mod to have developed a highly sensitive Spidey sense. So far this reads like a newbie wanting to make a sensationalist entry into the forum.

One thing he isn't doing is posting third party rumours. There's an awful lot of people about who hold grudges and post bollocks on the internet.

Bradleystacks

Screenshot the messages where YOU personally have been offered bareback, post on this thread when you are ready and I will send you a PM so you can forward them to me.

[Sar-Major]

One thing he isn't doing is posting third party rumours. There's an awful lot of people about who hold grudges and post bollocks on the internet.

Bradleystacks

Screenshot the messages where YOU personally have been offered bareback, post on this thread when you are ready and I will send you a PM so you can forward them to me.

Find yourself a comfortable seat DM as I think you'll have a long wait.......................     

 

[Kev3773]

Bradleystacks

Screenshot the messages where YOU personally have been offered bareback, post on this thread when you are ready and I will send you a PM so you can forward them to me.

I'm sure he's "deleted" them 

[Bradleystacks]

Do you want to stay on this site?

Yes I've waited nearly a year or so to be able to register. No more will be mentioned on the subject

[FLYING BLUE]

Long story short I've gone onto the other site ( the banned one) and blended in for the past six months. From the six months I've found 27 profiles

You sound like someone with a grudge or a reporter looking for a story - either way, it's a bit creepy IMHO

[daviemac]

Yes I've waited nearly a year or so to be able to register. No more will be mentioned on the subject

Like I said, screenshot the evidence you have, post on here that you have it ready and I'll send you a PM which you will be able to respond to, put the screenshots in your reply and I'll have a look at it. If it's genuine I'll post it here.

[Bridger1972]

Davie of course people can look on there. My point is that the majority are under the counter as they call it. Even profiles which in some cases have it wrote in capital letters stating they don't bareback are offering it secretly. My whole point in the article was to state that there is a lot more than the ones everyone can view that offer it as opposed to the ones everyone knows about

Insist on using a condom, job sorted 🤷‍♂️

[confetti]

DM being very restrained on this one seems like an odd thing to do from start to finish

[leffe7]

Take it this fella didn't deliver?

[TimeBandit]

I'm sure he's "deleted" them 

Well if he has deleted them, he knows who these girls are, if they actually exist, so it would be a simple matter for him to contact them and get more messages offering bareback.
If he can provide proof of what he's saying, it's obviously a cause for concern. If he doesn't or can't provide it, then it's up to DM whether he has a future on this site or not.

[Bradleystacks]

Have had members messaging asking me to name these girls, what their intentions are I don't know. I've made my mind up I'm going to post proof one by one for each girl in due course

[daviemac]

Have had members messaging asking me to name these girls, what their intentions are I don't know. I've made my mind up I'm going to post proof one by one for each girl in due course

No you are not you will send them to me first.

[Kev40ish]

No you are not you will send them to me first.

Not sure why?! If he has evidence, he can back up with messages etc, he could just post them on here. As per normal...

[daviemac]

No you are not you will send them to me first.

To make this very clear so there is no misunderstanding, you are not posting speculation, hearsay or third party information. tell me when you have evidence the YOU PERSONALLY have been offered bareback and I will PM you so you can reply with the said evidence.

Post one accusation before that an you get banned.

Don't forget we can spot fake messages a mile off.

[daviemac]

Not sure why?! If he has evidence, he can back up with messages etc, he could just post them on here. As per normal...

For the simple reason he is yet another new member coming on making accusation, posting hearsay as fact and posting because he may have a grudge. If he has the genuine evidence as he says then there is no harm in him sending it to me first. 

If you don't agree with the way I'm moderating this thread then report it and Head1 will have a look.   

[daviemac]

Not sure why?! If he has evidence, he can back up with messages etc, he could just post them on here. As per normal...

Have you seen this thread, he made a statement and was asked by other members to explain why he said it, he hasn't.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=290301.msg3040203#msg3040203

[Kev40ish]

For the simple reason he is yet another new member coming on making accusation, posting hearsay as fact and posting because he may have a grudge. If he has the genuine evidence as he says then there is no harm in him sending it to me first. 

If you don't agree with the way I'm moderating this thread then report it and Head1 will have a look.

Your the Mod, so it’s your choice how you moderate. Doesn’t mean that it can’t be questioned to save you work.
You have made it quite clear he needs to back up any allegation with personal evidence. If he posted something inappropriate without proof he gets banned.

I don’t know what control you have in place or if you have the time to put users in Pre-mod.

As always I trust you and certainly wouldn’t report you on a simple query like this..

[Lingus10]

 

[Bradleystacks]

Your the Mod, so it’s your choice how you moderate. Doesn’t mean that it can’t be questioned to save you work.
You have made it quite clear he needs to back up any allegation with personal evidence. If he posted something inappropriate without proof he gets banned.

I don’t know what control you have in place or if you have the time to put users in Pre-mod.

As always I trust you and certainly wouldn’t report you on a simple query like this..

Don't worry evidence is forthcoming, and lots of it. Rome wasn't built in a day, I'm gathering screenshots etc

[Lingus10]

Don't worry evidence is forthcoming, and lots of it. Rome wasn't built in a day, I'm gathering screenshots etc

Rome also got burnt down -

[daviemac]

Your the Mod, so it’s your choice how you moderate. Doesn’t mean that it can’t be questioned to save you work.
You have made it quite clear he needs to back up any allegation with personal evidence. If he posted something inappropriate without proof he gets banned.

I don’t know what control you have in place or if you have the time to put users in Pre-mod.

As always I trust you and certainly wouldn’t report you on a simple query like this..

I meant if you think I'm wrong in the way I'm handling this thread then Head1 could have a look and give his opinion.

What I have to ask myself is, he has stated he's been lurking on the other forum for 6 months, he claims to have had offers of bareback in personal meetings, if that is the case why was his first post not a negative review of one of the girls who offered it? he could have added that it was not the first time he's been offered it and taken it from there.

What he did do though was come on and try to change the way the NE section works. We are fully aware that some escorts bareback and if that is offered in a booking it is included in the review. We also have members up here with long memories and 9 times out of 10 someone will remember if an SP has offered BB in the past. 

[Pasola1]

100%right dm for what its worth

[catweazle]

The OP seems to be finding plenty of time to respond aggressively to comments, but oddly is slow to back up his claims.

Personally, I think he's wasting too much mod time, he's off in totally the wrong foot. Get rid.

[FLYING BLUE]

The OP seems to be finding plenty of time to respond aggressively to comments, but oddly is slow to back up his claims.

Personally, I think he's wasting too much mod time, he's off in totally the wrong foot. Get rid.

Yep

[Tiger63]

Funny as fuck this.
When you went "undercover" did you have a brown mac and silly glasses on so no one reconised you?

[datwabbit]

That's a lot of hidden BB and somehow the op managed to negotiate those names out of punters. That's some negotiation!

However we've had this before with a member who said he'd been on a BB site and had identified punters on the site. His query was whether he should share those names with escorts so those punters could be blocked. Also at least one well reviewed escort joined the site as a punter to identify other punters so she could block them. This was ages ago.

However, it does revisit the issue of naming hidden BB. We need a punter to do a RB requesting BB and getting the names and the blocking and hmmm's that follows. Any volunteers? I thought not.

I'm not sure about naming hidden BB. It has to be nailed on true. It's also just advertising the service for those who do get identified. Better to keep it hidden and assume everyone does it. If you do want it, ask her and risk getting thrown out.

[daviemac]

That's a lot of hidden BB and somehow the op managed to negotiate those names out of punters. That's some negotiation!

However we've had this before with a member who said he'd been on a BB site and had identified punters on the site. His query was whether he should share those names with escorts so those punters could be blocked. Also at least one well reviewed escort joined the site as a punter to identify other punters so she could block them. This was ages ago.

However, it does revisit the issue of naming hidden BB. We need a punter to do a RB requesting BB and getting the names and the blocking and hmmm's that follows. Any volunteers? I thought not.

I'm not sure about naming hidden BB. It has to be nailed on true. It's also just advertising the service for those who do get identified. Better to keep it hidden and assume everyone does it. If you do want it, ask her and risk getting thrown out.

The OP keeps throwing accusations about then going silent when asked to clarify. he's done it here as well. https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=290301.msg3040672#msg3040672

[Shearer1955]

The reporting of BB should be in reviews ... we shouldn't be acting in the form of undercover policemen trying to out escorts who may or may not indulge ... if evidence comes to light as you discuss a meet or within a meet then it is reasonable to report it but not by devious underhand methods which are inappropriate
Effective action works by using common sense not by attempting to circumvent how UKP has developed its appeal ... members who undermine the ethics of the forum also undermine its appeal for being truthful & factual
Members not acting appropriately and in a reasonable manner sell UKP short

[FLYING BLUE]

The reporting of BB should be in reviews ... we shouldn't be acting in the form of undercover policemen trying to out escorts who may or may not indulge ... if evidence comes to light as you discuss a meet or within a meet then it is reasonable to report it but not by devious underhand methods which are inappropriate
Effective action works by using common sense not by attempting to circumvent how UKP has developed its appeal ... members who undermine the ethics of the forum also undermine its appeal for being truthful & factual
Members not acting appropriately and in a reasonable manner sell UKP short

Completely agree with this

[datwabbit]

Long story short I've gone onto the other site ( the banned one) and blended in for the past six months. From the six months I've found 27 profiles in the North East alone that are doing bareback under the counter!!!! That's 27 who don't have it ticked on their profile. Some of the names will astound members here I can't believe half of them. A few even clearly state on their profiles no bareback you'll be blocked etc. Most of the swapping is done by private message and it's honestly making me want to quit punting, something I've enjoyed for ten years now. The girls I'm shocked at finding out bareback are some of the most reviewed on here, which is even more shocking. My question to members is do you think this bareback has more to do with the pressures put on people due to what's happened with covid? Ie earning more money?? I mean some of them offer it for as little as £20 extra!!! Surely things can't be that bad that you'd risk your health for £20?

This reads like the click bait articles on MSN I keep falling for and spending my time reading.

and I'm doing it again!!!

[daviemac]

I've got some work I need to do in about an hour and this will be resolved one way or another before then. two threads he's made accusations on, two threads he's been asked to explain, two threads he's ignored those requests.

[FLYING BLUE]

If Mr Bradley sends DM his proof and it is, as he claims, genuine, I will be the very first one to hold my hands high & apologise to him with absolute sincerity.

Mr Bradley has said he is in the process of doing so as we speak so, for me, the jury is out and I am only suspicious, because he is a new & therefore, as yet untrusted member on here. Have to say though, his comments re Premium on another thread leave me somewhat less than hopeful. We shall see.
FB

[daviemac]

If Mr Bradley sends DM his proof and it is, as he claims, genuine, I will be the very first one to hold my hands high & apologise to him with absolute sincerity.

Mr Bradley has said he is in the process of doing so as we speak so, for me, the jury is out and I am only suspicious, because he is a new & therefore, as yet untrusted member on here. Have to say though, his comments re Premium on another thread leave me somewhat less than hopeful. We shall see.
FB

He's had nearly 6 hours to send even one screenshot.   

[Kev40ish]

He's had nearly 6 hours to send even one screenshot.   

The OP hasn’t been online since his last couple of posts.. I’m sure it’s so he can get his evidence together 

[daviemac]

The OP hasn’t been online since his last couple of posts.. I’m sure it’s so he can get his evidence together 

He's a mate of Ginger Gary, same grudge against the same agency. I would bet my house if I let him post the barebackers they would all be agency ones.

He must think I'm daft.   

[Kev40ish]

He's a mate of Ginger Gary, same grudge against the same agency. I would bet my house if I let him post the barebackers they would all be agency ones.

he must think I'm daft.   

I trust your local knowledge. 
I like to give them enough rope to hang themselves, if they are not genuine it will soon be picked up and reported to you.

[datwabbit]

The OP hasn’t been online since his last couple of posts.. I’m sure it’s so he can get his evidence together 

He's from the Donald Trump law school of "I'm right, I've got evidence, just wait a while"

[Dimond dave]

   may be lock downs got to this lad a bit more than some.

Hi guys first post here, been a lurker for god knows how long (with signing up being disabled since god knows when)

Long story short I've gone onto the other site ( the banned one) and blended in for the past six months. From the six months I've found 27 profiles in the North East alone that are doing bareback under the counter!!!! That's 27 who don't have it ticked on their profile. Some of the names will astound members here I can't believe half of them. A few even clearly state on their profiles no bareback you'll be blocked etc. Most of the swapping is done by private message and it's honestly making me want to quit punting, something I've enjoyed for ten years now. The girls I'm shocked at finding out bareback are some of the most reviewed on here, which is even more shocking. My question to members is do you think this bareback has more to do with the pressures put on people due to what's happened with covid? Ie earning more money?? I mean some of them offer it for as little as £20 extra!!! Surely things can't be that bad that you'd risk your health for £20?

The girls I've found out who do offer bareback who haven't been outed on here have confirmed to me via texts emails and face to face ( which I've declined obviously making an excuse of having a partner and not wanting to risk catching anything) shall I make a North East bareback avoidance thread with the girls names on or leave it as it is and only see girls I know, or bloody hope don't bareback?? I'm at a loss as to what to do going forward. The most surprising one was a regular of mine who is well reviewed and who I did have an or what I thought was an amazing connection with. Any thoughts on what we as a group should do to warn other gents are appreciated

[Mansell]

It's great in some ways to open up membership but then the Idiots turn up. 

[daviemac]

It's great in some ways to open up membership but then the Idiots turn up. 

You don't know the half of it mate, one revived a 5 year old thread to ask "what's is her personality like" I didn't bother checking if she was still active. 

[FLYING BLUE]

You don't know the half of it mate, one revived a 5 year old thread to ask "what's is her personality like" I didn't bother checking if she was still active. 

I imagine it's a thankless task DM - as much as I enjoy this site, I wouldn't be a moderator for all the tea in China