Where can I travel?

[Helloyou75001]

Hello

Where can I travel now with the current COVID situation? I found very cheap flights to go to Budapest but upon reading I found out UK travellers are not allowed.......

Any idea where to go from London to get quality and cheap birds to punt? It's the total desert in London so better move out.

Thank you

[wtfb]

 I believe that the whole of England is now Tier 4 which means no international travel unless it's for one of the permitted exceptions for any travel in Tier 4 eg work/eductaion/medical etc.

But good luck.... and don't catch anything nasty....

[The0neAnd0nly]

I believe that the whole of England is now Tier 4 which means no international travel unless it's for one of the permitted exceptions for any travel in Tier 4 eg work/eductaion/medical etc.

But good luck.... and don't catch anything nasty....

In Tier 3 here in sunny Sheffield and believe most of Cornwall and Devon are too 

[HighlyMotivated]

I believe that the whole of England is now Tier 4 which means no international travel unless it's for one of the permitted exceptions for any travel in Tier 4 eg work/eductaion/medical etc.

But good luck.... and don't catch anything nasty....

Dont think that's true. I travelled from England to Greece a few days ago no questions asked. Just need a Covid test within 72 hours of flight, plus a rapid test on arrival and a third test following 10 days isolation (Greek rules)

[wtfb]

Apologies, only 44 million in England in Tier 4

From the Fuardian "What does tier 4 mean?

Under tier 4 restrictions, non-essential shops, hairdressers, and leisure and entertainment venues must close, with a new “stay at home” message introduced.

People who need to travel for education or childcare are exempt, and exercise is unlimited. Where people cannot work from home, they will still be able to travel to work.
Under the measures, households are not allowed to mix, but one person is allowed to meet with one other person outside in a public space. Support bubbles and those meeting for childcare are exempt.
Those who are deemed clinically extremely vulnerable should not go to work and should limit time outside of their homes.
Tier 4 residents must not stay overnight away from home, and cannot travel abroad."


It may not be possible to enforce, but I wouldn't want you to waste your money buying a ticket and then be turned away at the airport. Good luck though and happy punting!


I found this map on Skyscanner that may help you decide where to go :
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[l4at]

Dont think that's true. I travelled from England to Greece a few days ago no questions asked. Just need a Covid test within 72 hours of flight, plus a rapid test on arrival and a third test following 10 days isolation (Greek rules)

We are not supposed to travel but no one is going to stop you. There’s people still coming and going from London airports as far as I’m aware.

[Helloyou75001]

Ah its so rubbish I'm stuck in london doing nothinng!

I just want a short trip, i can't go to greece and be stuck 10 days in quarantine either!!

Situation is so desperate... :/

[wtfb]

Five knuckle shuffles all round 

[vindici]

Ah its so rubbish I'm stuck in london doing nothinng!
I just want a short trip, i can't go to greece and be stuck 10 days in quarantine either!!
Situation is so desperate... :/

Outcalls exist... 😉

[Marcus0101]

I believe that the whole of England is now Tier 4 which means no international travel unless it's for one of the permitted exceptions for any travel in Tier 4 eg work/eductaion/medical etc.

But good luck.... and don't catch anything nasty....

I believe you are wrong and it is Scotland who is in tier 4 not England. We are the more sensible ones of the home nations when it comes to looking after the safety of our people and have taken the more cautious approach to things as opposed to Boris and his band of crooks and cronies 

[Helloyou75001]

Outcalls exist... 😉

Yeah but I travel to save money, what's the point to go to greece to pay extra on hotel And extra on outcall! 

[vindici]

Yeah but I travel to save money, what's the point to go to greece to pay extra on hotel And extra on outcall! 

Extra on Hotel? Where were you going to stay? Just walk around the whole holiday?

When I was in Kyiv, the difference in price between incall and outcall was £5-10.

If that's the kind of budget you're working with, honestly, punting is not for you.

[Michael48]

I believe you are wrong and it is Scotland who is in tier 4 not England.

78% of England is in Tier 4 with the remainder in Tier 3

[Helloyou75001]

Extra on Hotel? Where were you going to stay? Just walk around the whole holiday?

When I was in Kyiv, the difference in price between incall and outcall was £5-10.

If that's the kind of budget you're working with, honestly, punting is not for you.

I stay in hostels or airbnb. Its way cheaper than hotels!! I can budget for £10-15/night!

Is the £5-10 taxi including return?

[Marcus0101]

78% of England is in Tier 4 with the remainder in Tier 3

That isn't the whole of England then is it? He said "the whole of England" if you read it properly. On a side note, six and a half years on here and you don't have a single review posted, wow amazing contribution you make to the forum! 

[vindici]

I stay in hostels or airbnb. Its way cheaper than hotels!! I can budget for £10-15/night!

That sounds horrific 🤦‍♂️

Stay at home and save up instead.

[Asianfcuker]

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[Dimond dave]

  depends if you value your health.  If not the worlds your lobster.   

Hello

Where can I travel now with the current COVID situation? I found very cheap flights to go to Budapest but upon reading I found out UK travellers are not allowed.......

Any idea where to go from London to get quality and cheap birds to punt? It's the total desert in London so better move out.

Thank you

[Helloyou75001]

That sounds horrific 🤦‍♂️

Stay at home and save up instead.

What's your budget when travelling to Kiev? It can't be that much higher than me?

[Helloyou75001]

depends if you value your health.  If not the worlds your lobster.

It's just a bit harsher than the flu tbh. So the world is my lobster! 

[vindici]

What's your budget when travelling to Kiev? It can't be that much higher than me?

You can read my full trip report here:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=288506.0

I wouldn't book less than a 3½ star hotel, and would have a kitty to ensure at least one punt with all the trimmings per day, hopefully more.

Balking at paying for a hotel over a hostel, and concern about a £10 outcall fee, leave no doubt that we do not share the same opinion when it comes to budgeting.

[Helloyou75001]

You can read my full trip report here:
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=288506.0

I wouldn't book less than a 3½ star hotel, and would have a kitty to ensure at least one punt with all the trimmings per day, hopefully more.

Balking at paying for a hotel over a hostel, and concern about a £10 outcall fee, leave no doubt that we do not share the same opinion when it comes to budgeting.

I've seen your post and it looks so amazing! I wanna do the same. I saw you had punt in the £19-£35 range. I wouldn't mind paying £10 more in taxi if I can have this tbh.

For accomodation, it looked like it was paid by your company? Your trip to Kiev looks incredible and so good value as well! I'd really want to do the same one!


My budget would be around £50/day ideally. It does feel like a stretch a bit... but I'm not working at the moment so staying won't save me any money, and it would make way more sense to use time to travel... although it means I have to be very careful with the spend..

[Greenchilli]

I've seen your post and it looks so amazing! I wanna do the same. I saw you had punt in the £19-£35 range. I wouldn't mind paying £10 more in taxi if I can have this tbh.

Im in Ukraine for some part of the year for work purposes. At £ 35 (1350 grv) you will be scraping the bottom of barrel options there. Remember the house keeps 50 % in UKR so if a SP is willing to sleep for half of that I doubt you will be looking at decent girls. From my experience such SPs are found on streets and highways  (Kiev-Zhytomyr) providing express auto service(bj) for 500 grv. I would not touch these girls with a barge pole ! 

[Helloyou75001]

Im in Ukraine for some part of the year for work purposes. At £ 35 (1350 grv) you will be scraping the bottom of barrel options there. Remember the house keeps 50 % in UKR so if a SP is willing to sleep for half of that I doubt you will be looking at decent girls. From my experience such SPs are found on streets and highways  (Kiev-Zhytomyr) providing express auto service(bj) for 500 grv. I would not touch these girls with a barge pole !

But it look like he had quite a few options at that price bracket? I wouldn't mind doing in-call either, as I'd have time to travel lol.

Don't they have freelance in their own appartment like everywhere else? It would be so much simpler.

[vindici]

Im in Ukraine for some part of the year for work purposes. At £ 35 (1350 grv) you will be scraping the bottom of barrel options there. Remember the house keeps 50 % in UKR so if a SP is willing to sleep for half of that I doubt you will be looking at decent girls. From my experience such SPs are found on streets and highways  (Kiev-Zhytomyr) providing express auto service(bj) for 500 grv. I would not touch these girls with a barge pole !

That is ridiculous and completely contrary to my own experience. Firstly, no one is advocating street walkers, so we can ignore that.

There were plenty of "Salon Girls" for 1000UAH for 1 hour with the basic service i.e. Sex and OW, none of which would be what I call scraping the bottom of the barrel. When I visited a Salon with a 1000UAH basic price, they had about 11 girls working with every shape size you could want, from BBW, to more Instagram model types and the price was the same for all of them.

My local contact showed me some profiles of "Instagram types" and the prices were from 1200 - 1500 for one hour basic service.

When it came to indies you could pay around 1700UAH and get full service, OWO, kissing, CIM and 69.

If you are after a specific type of woman, I can imagine you might have to pay more, but to claim that at the 1350UAH pricing for Basic there is nothing but the dregs is a load of bollocks, 2 of my punts were from that range (although in both cases I paid a lot more, since I added extra services) and they were some of the best punts I have ever had.

[JJDelta]

That is ridiculous and completely contrary to my own experience. Firstly, no one is advocating street walkers, so we can ignore that.

There were plenty of "Salon Girls" for 1000UAH for 1 hour with the basic service i.e. Sex and OW, none of which would be what I call scraping the bottom of the barrel. When I visited a Salon with a 1000UAH basic price, they had about 11 girls working with every shape size you could want, from BBW, to more Instagram model types and the price was the same for all of them.

My local contact showed me some profiles of "Instagram types" and the prices were from 1200 - 1500 for one hour basic service.

When it came to indies you could pay around 1700UAH and get full service, OWO, kissing, CIM and 69.

If you are after a specific type of woman, I can imagine you might have to pay more, but to claim that at the 1350UAH pricing for Basic there is nothing but the dregs is a load of bollocks, 2 of my punts were from that range (although in both cases I paid a lot more, since I added extra services) and they were some of the best punts I have ever had.

Hey vindici, read your trip and other comments made by you. Firstly, thank you for sharing the information, it's very insightful. 1700 UAH is an excellent price for 1 hour. However, a local contact with experience and know-how of punting over there would likely make myself and others more inclined to look at the option more seriously. How do you recommend we find someone that can make the bookings and make the experience smooth? I'm happy to pay a commission for the privilege. Appreciate any input here.

[Greenchilli]

That is ridiculous and completely contrary to my own experience. Firstly, no one is advocating street walkers, so we can ignore that.

There were plenty of "Salon Girls" for 1000UAH for 1 hour with the basic service i.e. Sex and OW, none of which would be what I call scraping the bottom of the barrel. When I visited a Salon with a 1000UAH basic price, they had about 11 girls working with every shape size you could want, from BBW, to more Instagram model types and the price was the same for all of them.

In kiev I  have not come across owo included in 1000 grv in 1 hr  . Please provide details of this new salon here or on PM.
The minimum rate for classic service (massage,sex -all in condom) for about 25+ salons in Kiev is about 50 Euros or about 1650-1700 grv which still is good rate. This does not include extras such as owo , kissing , 69 or whatever you fancy.  I believe as per your reviews you are into BBW women and this could have skewed the rate little bit ?


My local contact showed me some profiles of "Instagram types" and the prices were from 1200 - 1500 for one hour basic service.

Instagram types and real instagram models are two different things ! Did you manage to meet any of these instagram types/models for 1500-This sadly cannot be further from truth. . Top shelf export material from Ukraine is shipped somewhere else – that is different topic altogether for some other day.

When it came to indies you could pay around 1700UAH and get full service, OWO, kissing, CIM and 69.

Indies is an open market. You can score a freebie if you play the game right in clubs and bars.  I would say it is very challenging to find an Indie online as most salons state they are independent ladies.Semi-pro's can charge you anything depending on so many things

If you are after a specific type of woman, I can imagine you might have to pay more, but to claim that at the 1350UAH pricing for Basic there is nothing but the dregs is a load of bollocks, 2 of my punts were from that range (although in both cases I paid a lot more, since I added extra services) and they were some of the best punts I have ever had.

I did not say you get dregs for 1350 but you definitely are looking for SP for the lowest possible price in kiev. Your denial is not going to change the facts on the ground. The days of instagram models for 1500 are long gone. Ukraine nationals have visa free access to schengen countries & UAE and the rates for premium goods match international standards.

[Helloyou75001]

Same as the 2 other post. I'd like to know where and how to get these new and cheaper saloons! Please shaaare! MP or others! Thank you

[Greenchilli]

I think you missed the point. The reason for asking this kind of salon(owo and sex for 1000) is to stay clear of such places in future. Ukraine on its own accounted for 92 % increase in new HIV cases in  Eastern Europe just couple of years back. Most people affected  do not have access to anti-retroviral treatment . This is ground reality.

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[vindici]

In kiev I  have not come across owo included in 1000 grv in 1 hr  . Please provide details of this new salon here or on PM.
The median minimum rate for classic service (massage,sex -all in condom) for about 25+ salons in Kiev is about 50 Euros or about 1650-1700 grv which still is good rate. This does not include extras such as owo , kissing , 69 or whatever you fancy.  I believe as per your reviews you are into BBW women and this could have skewed the rate little bit ?
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Instagram types and real instagram models are two different things ! Did you manage to meet any of these instagram types/models for 1500-This sadly cannot be further from truth....

Indies is an open market. You can score a freebie if you play the game right in clubs and bars.  I would say it is very challenging to find an Indie online as most salons state they are independent ladies.Semi-pro's can charge you anything depending on so many things

I did not say you get dregs for 1350 but you definitely are looking for SP for the lowest possible price in kiev. Your denial is not going to change the facts on the ground. The days of instagram models for 1500 are long gone...

For 1000UAH I didn't say OWO was included, I specifically wrote OW, check the post again 🤷‍♂️

These are quotes from 4 random salons I found on my own, without knowing any Ukrainian/Russian:

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Much lower than the median that you have quoted, none of them were BBW/MILF specialists, but had mixed escorts, older, younger, slim and curvy. I used 2 of them.

While I agree that actual Instagram Models and Instagram Model Types are certainly not the same thing, I am under no misconceptions that nothing less than top dollar will get you an actual Instagram model. For many people however a "model type" will do for a punt, everyone doesn't need to fuck a celebrity. Model types are not my thing, so I did not meet the ones suggested to me. However my local contact is reliable, so I have no reason to believe they were bait & switch.

Finding Indies online was very easy, even for a newbie like me, who doesn't speak any Russian/Ukrainian, just pump the advertised number into Telegram/WhatsApp/Viber and bingo if it's a Salon, it's revealed either right away, or after the first hello. Also the way the ad is written gives it away somewhat, as well as the pricing. If you're an experienced punter you get a feel for these things. Wasn't exactly rocket science 🚀

When you're referring to Semi-Pros, do you mean women from Mamba, Badoo and SA? If yes, then that is certainly not for me, far too time consuming for my taste.

As for freebies, you're right on the money there, there was plenty of freebie action if you have any game.  No need to be very good looking either. Average looks, an air of money about you, and some confidence gets you quite far.

I did not say you get dregs for 1350 but you definitely are looking for SP for the lowest possible price in kiev.

That's right, you didn't say "the dregs", you actually said:

scraping the bottom of barrel options

Which means the same thing 🤦‍♂️

What I look for is a certain type of Escort, and if they take my fancy, I'll happily pay the going rate, sometimes it's "cheap" sometimes it's "expensive". What I will say however, is something that is pretty much is universally agreed on in UKP, and has always been my personal experience, there is no correlation between price paid and quality of service given.

[vindici]

How do you recommend we find someone that can make the bookings and make the experience smooth? I'm happy to pay a commission for the privilege. Appreciate any input here.

Once you have earnt your PM privileges, send me a PM and I'll share the contact details of my local guy.

[Dolphin1]

Hey Vindici, are you allowed to say which hotel you stayed at in Kiev? I'd probably stay in an air bnb for future visits.

[Helloyou75001]

There were plenty of "Salon Girls" for 1000UAH for 1 hour with the basic service i.e. Sex and OW, none of which would be what I call scraping the bottom of the barrel. When I visited a Salon with a 1000UAH basic price, they had about 11 girls working with every shape size you could want, from BBW, to more Instagram model types and the price was the same for all of them.

My local contact showed me some profiles of "Instagram types" and the prices were from 1200 - 1500 for one hour basic service.

When it came to indies you could pay around 1700UAH and get full service, OWO, kissing, CIM and 69.

That is amazing, that means price range are from 1000UAH (£25) to 1700UAH (£44).. and having checked airbnb costing around £14/night to have my own flat, it means I could very certainly have 1 punt a day within my £50/day budget 

I'm MP'ing you 

[vindici]

Hey Vindici, are you allowed to say which hotel you stayed at in Kiev? I'd probably stay in an air bnb for future visits.

Sorry but I would never reveal that information.

Now that I have some experience I'd book an AirBnB or similar next time too, as long as I don't have to clean the apartment, that for me is a deal breaker. I was a little wary that girls wouldn't do an outcall to a private apartment, but it didn't seem to be a problem.

One thing to bear in mind if you're a first timer is, if you book a hotel, you can always ask reception/concierge for help with various things, I did this myself, if you have an airbnb, you're 100% on your own.

[Dimond dave]

  well there you have it a bit worse than flue. So I was on a ventilator in July for 9 days with just no worse than flue   Ok.  I'll leave you to your opinion enjoy the lobster and have fun. 

It's just a bit harsher than the flu tbh. So the world is my lobster! 

[Helloyou75001]

well there you have it a bit worse than flue. So I was on a ventilator in July for 9 days with just no worse than flue   Ok.  I'll leave you to your opinion enjoy the lobster and have fun. 

I'm sorry for this. I've seen you're back doing punt? So is all fine now? Hopefully!