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Offline Horizontal pleasures

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Offline mr.bluesky

In other words it looks like the same restrictions as the first lockdown  :scare:

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Not the same as the first lockdown as all schools and university’s remain open. All factories and building sites he wants open as well. This virus must only spread socially. Poor Supermarket staff got to keep working for low pay and you don’t hear them complaining unlike teachers who are permanently winging how unsafe it is when they’re in a much safer position than the check out person.
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Offline Spacecowb0y

Does anyone believe it will be only 4 weeks?

Book your small turkeys now, and free the big birds

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Does anyone believe it will be only 4 weeks?

Book your small turkeys now, and free the big birds

The wording is there for it to be extended.

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The new measures will apply nationally for four weeks up to Wednesday 2 December. At the end of the period, we will look to return to a regional approach, based on the latest data.

If the data doesn't support going back to a regional (tiered) approach the national restrictions will continue.

Offline chrishornx

In other words it looks like the same restrictions as the first lockdown  :scare:

nope

Offline Chorley

People were already panic buying before it had been officially announced by Boris.!  :dash: :dash: :dash:
I reckon this will be end up lasting longer than a month but I really hope I'm wrong.  :unknown:
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Offline mr.bluesky

People were already panic buying before it had been officially announced by Boris.!  :dash: :dash: :dash:
I reckon this will be end up lasting longer than a month but I really hope I'm wrong.  :unknown:

I bet the bog rolls are flying off the shelves already  :scare:

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People were already panic buying before it had been officially announced by Boris.!  :dash: :dash: :dash:
I reckon this will be end up lasting longer than a month but I really hope I'm wrong.  :unknown:

I think it will last longer IF their isn't a clear improvement within that month, plus until there is an effective vaccine I don't see why there wouldn't be a third spike and on and on sadly. From what I understand its now potentially going to be worse than in March time, so lifting a national lockdown when they did didn't have the desired effect. I also see no logic virus wise in wanting kids and uni students to continue to attend, they might not get the virus themselves but might well pass it on to their family. and Teachers like my sons partner have to risk it. I know Boris etc don't want kids and students to lose out on their education but I think this is a flawed idea.

I have enough food and other items to last at least 3 months and I had my hair cut yesterday, my barbers was empty but he said he was busy earlier in the day so I timed it well by pure luck.

Offline MilleMiglia

Made mention on the European sub-forum of a rock concert that I was due to go to in London, back in March. It was cancelled a few days out then, a few weeks later, re-scheduled for February next year. It's now been postponed again, until February '22. I've also seen mention that Wacken Open Air, a rock festival that takes place in Germany, may not go ahead next year.

Meanwhile, in my home town, it seems that every weekend there is another independent business shutting up shop.   

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Supermarkets are open, manufacturing and distribution as normal so why the fuck are these idiots storing food etc as they are the cause of the panic! Just carry on as normal but stay in instead of going out to socialise. Not hard to follow!
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Looking down the list of what is classed as 'essential' I was pleased to note Undertakers can remain open.

Offline petermisc

Not the same as the first lockdown as all schools and university’s remain open. All factories and building sites he wants open as well. This virus must only spread socially. Poor Supermarket staff got to keep working for low pay and you don’t hear them complaining unlike teachers who are permanently winging how unsafe it is when they’re in a much safer position than the check out person.
Not sure that teachers are safer.  Checkout operators get to sit behind a big plastic screen, and all their customers are wearing masks.  Teachers have to mingle with the children, none of whom are wearing masks.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

Checkout operators get to sit behind a big plastic screen, and all their customers are wearing masks. 

haha customers SHOULD be wearing masks but often are not.

Offline Adoniron

In other words it looks like the same restrictions as the first lockdown  :scare:

For punting purposes its exactly the same as the first lockdown although its less restrictive in other ways.

Offline petermisc

From the perspective of someone living in Wales, the timing is particularly unfortunate as just when the Welsh lockdown ends, the English one starts (give or take a day or two), so my punting lockdown is effectively going to last six weeks.

The Welsh government have clearly said that the numbers won't have come down by the time the Welsh firebreak ends, as it takes longer than that for the effect to feed through.  Those going into hospital at the end of the firebreak will have been infected well before the firebreak started, for example.  But they have given a clear commitment that the firebreak is ending, regardless.  I saw no such clear commitment from Boris, which is slightly worrying.  However, he will be in so much pressure to lift it that I doubt it will get extended unless the numbers are truly awful.

A point made by several epidemiologists is that in a pandemic situation, you can never act too fast.  Boris and co have proved this, their constant dithering at every stage has just made things exponentially worse. Boris made it clear at the time that he did not agree with the Welsh government imposing a two week lockdown, but his prevarication has meant he has now had to impose a four week lockdown on the English.  Well done that man.

When the Welsh government imposed its firebreak, Boris point blank refused to extend furlough to cover it.  However, now that he has had to lockdown the English, magically the money has been found to extend furlough.  I hope the Tories aren't expecting many Welsh votes at the next election.

Regional lockdowns were basically a way of keeping London open for business.  However, at the point when London was on the verge of being put into top-tier, magically local lockdowns are dropped, and we are back to a national lockdown with full furlough.  Can't have Londoners subjected to the measly compensation that Northerners were expected to put up with, can we?

Offline unclepokey

I bet the bog rolls are flying off the shelves already  :scare:

My missus sent me down to the supermarket for bog rolls yesterday as, quite simply, she'd forgotten them on the household order.
I felt really embarrassed.

UP

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I said supermarket workers not checkout operators. The ones being pushed out the way whilst filling shelves so the customer can buy their toilet rolls before they even had time to stack them😂😂. People are so brave literally stocking up on toilet rolls as shitting themselves as gov say there is a pandemic. Most are smokers at as much risk of getting cancer but that doesn’t stop them smoking.
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Offline Hobbit

People were already panic buying before it had been officially announced by Boris.!  :dash: :dash: :dash:
I reckon this will be end up lasting longer than a month but I really hope I'm wrong.  :unknown:

Unfortunately, I have to agree with you. I think it may end up lasting more than a month and well into the New Year. It messes up my punting plans for the next several weeks.

Offline mr.bluesky

My missus sent me down to the supermarket for bog rolls yesterday as, quite simply, she'd forgotten them on the household order.
I felt really embarrassed.

UP

I guess that depends on how many you bought Uncle Pokey  :unknown:

Offline Chorley

My missus sent me down to the supermarket for bog rolls yesterday as, quite simply, she'd forgotten them on the household order.
I felt really embarrassed.

UP
Same here. I went shopping yesterday and forgot the toilet rolls. I thought I'd be OK but then realised I only had 2 rolls left.
The place I went had a really good deal on a big pack. I felt a bit of a  knob buying it, but at least I won't have to buy any for a while :unknown:

Offline NIK

Does anyone believe it will be only 4 weeks?

Book your small turkeys now, and free the big birds

It may last for 4 weeks. It most likely won't work. The so called experts will then push Johnson into introducing another one and the process will be repeated ad infinitum, unless someone makes the brave decision that we simply have to live with what is for 99% of the population not fatal. We have lived with endless other diseases over the years without this hysteria, what is so different about this one?
And I ask you something - if the politicians and scientists weren't cosseted by extortionate public salaries and index linked pensions would we see the same approach?  Answer  = not on your life!

The way they are carrying on the immediate future will make the Winter of Discontent seem like a picnic. I am only glad I no longer have my 'whole life in front of me', for, to misquote Wordsworth,
Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,
But to be young was very hell!

Offline Hobbit

It may last for 4 weeks. It most likely won't work. The so called experts will then push Johnson into introducing another one and the process will be repeated ad infinitum, unless someone makes the brave decision that we simply have to live with what is for 99% of the population not fatal. We have lived with endless other diseases over the years without this hysteria, what is so different about this one?
And I ask you something - if the politicians and scientists weren't cosseted by extortionate public salaries and index linked pensions would we see the same approach?  Answer  = not on your life!

The way they are carrying on the immediate future will make the Winter of Discontent seem like a picnic. I am only glad I no longer have my 'whole life in front of me', for, to misquote Wordsworth,
Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,
But to be young was very hell!

You never know, you may outlive all of us! :D

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I said supermarket workers not checkout operators. The ones being pushed out the way whilst filling shelves so the customer can buy their toilet rolls before they even had time to stack them😂😂. People are so brave literally stocking up on toilet rolls as shitting themselves as gov say there is a pandemic. Most are smokers at as much risk of getting cancer but that doesn’t stop them smoking.
I'm getting a bit sick of the way you are posting, last chance make some useful form of contributions or your account will be terminated.

BTW I've just been to Asda and all staff were wearing masks, not one was getting 'pushed out the way' and the shelves were full of toilet rolls.

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It may last for 4 weeks. It most likely won't work. The so called experts will then push Johnson into for the introduction of another one and the process will be repeated ad infinitum, unless someone makes the brave decision that we simply have to live with what is for 99% of the population not fatal. We have lived with endless other diseases over the years without this hysteria, what is so different about this one?
And I ask you something - if the politicians and scientists weren't cosseted by extortionate public salaries and index linked pensions would we see the same approach?  Answer  = not on your life!

The way they are carrying on the immediate future will make the Winter of Discontent seem like a picnic. I am only glad I no longer have my 'whole life in front of me', for, to misquote Wordsworth,
Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive,
But to be young was very hell!
See how easy it is to make a point without mentioning individual politicians.   :unknown:

Offline CasualPaul1999

Lockdown didn't work first time and won't this.Eventually people will just have to take a chance and get on with life.Who wants to live like this for the next few years?.Not me.

Offline Chorley

Lockdown didn't work first time and won't this.Eventually people will just have to take a chance and get on with life.Who wants to live like this for the next few years?.Not me.
It won't be several years because there will be serious and widespread public disorder if this keeps happening without any clear ending. I hope that doesn't happen, but I think there's a really good chance it could?

Offline Hobbit

It won't be several years because there will be serious and widespread public disorder if this keeps happening without any clear ending. I hope that doesn't happen, but I think there's a really good chance it could?

I don't see it happening for several years. I think what will happen is lockdown will remain on and off until March and a vaccine will be expedited and pushed through from then. If there isn't one and a clear exit strategy is not shown to the public then there will be anarchy in the streets. I really hope not.

Offline Chorley

I don't see it happening for several years. I think what will happen is lockdown will remain on and off until March and a vaccine will be expedited and pushed through from then. If there isn't one and a clear exit strategy is not shown to the public then there will be anarchy in the streets. I really hope not.
I think if we are still in the samer place this time next year the shit will really hit the fan.You're going to have a lot of really pissed off people who will have lost everything and have sod all to lose by causing mayhem.

Offline NIK

It won't be several years because there will be serious and widespread public disorder if this keeps happening without any clear ending. I hope that doesn't happen, but I think there's a really good chance it could?

Exactly what I have been thinking.
Especially now the proles know we are not ‘all in this together’. The elite are still stashing the cash, meeting and eating and taking holidays.
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Offline sir wanksalot

Lockdown didn't work first time and won't this.Eventually people will just have to take a chance and get on with life.Who wants to live like this for the next few years?.Not me.

I'm constantly amazed at people's confidence in making predictions as to what will happen.

We have a shape shifting pandemic on our hands and governments around the world are reacting to data as best they can. Mistakes have been made and will continue to be made but I firmly believe that most leaders in the world do not want their people to die.

Did the first lockdown fail? Deaths came down and so did infections so on the face of it I would say it had a positive effect. I am also open minded enough to question my own conclusions and wonder if the infection rates might have slowed due to seasonal changes. I don't know. We don't know. They don't know.So let's adapt to not knowing for a while and just apply common sense.

This isn't really a pop at you as I agree with your sentiment that people will eventually tire of restrictions if it goes on indefinitely which is why I think an optimistic tone was adopted at the end of the pres conference yesterday.

Offline Hobbit

I think if we are still in the samer place this time next year the shit will really hit the fan.You're going to have a lot of really pissed off people who will have lost everything and have sod all to lose by causing mayhem.

Hopefully, that won't happen, otherwise, many people may even start committing suicide due to mental health issues, lack of money, jobs. I agree, it could be mayhem. But I just have a feeling that this was all about something else and hopefully, by spring/summer things may improve.

Offline petermisc

It is interesting that even the Daily Mail, who only a few days ago was railing against the prospect of another lockdown, now largely recognises the need for it.

People have been prophesying that the economy is going to collapse ever since the start of the first lockdown.  However it hasn't collapsed, and continues not to collapse.  In fact, it is doing remarkably well considering.  I seem to recall reading recently that the jobless figures are the worst they have been for three years - in other words, there were more people unemployed three years ago when we weren't in lockdown.  As the governor of the Bank of England I think it was said recently, all these chicken-lickens going around claiming that the sky is falling in need to stop.

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It is interesting that even the Daily Mail, who only a few days ago was railing against the prospect of another lockdown, now largely recognises the need for it.

People have been prophesying that the economy is going to collapse ever since the start of the first lockdown.  However it hasn't collapsed, and continues not to collapse.  In fact, it is doing remarkably well considering.  I seem to recall reading recently that the jobless figures are the worst they have been for three years - in other words, there were more people unemployed three years ago when we weren't in lockdown.  As the governor of the Bank of England I think it was said recently, all these chicken-lickens going around claiming that the sky is falling in need to stop.

Lets wait and see the unemployment figures when coffers are empty and furlough deal gets cut off.

Offline NIK

It is interesting that even the Daily Mail, who only a few days ago was railing against the prospect of another lockdown, now largely recognises the need for it.

People have been prophesying that the economy is going to collapse ever since the start of the first lockdown.  However it hasn't collapsed, and continues not to collapse.  In fact, it is doing remarkably well considering.  I seem to recall reading recently that the jobless figures are the worst they have been for three years - in other words, there were more people unemployed three years ago when we weren't in lockdown.  As the governor of the Bank of England I think it was said recently, all these chicken-lickens going around claiming that the sky is falling in need to stop.

I admire your optimism. Although some might suggest it is naivety.
Personally I believe we are going to hell in a handcart.
Of course those who pushed the handcart will be safely outside it.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

Same here. I went shopping yesterday and forgot the toilet rolls. I thought I'd be OK but then realised I only had 2 rolls left.
The place I went had a really good deal on a big pack. I felt a bit of a  knob buying it, but at least I won't have to buy any for a while :unknown:

so you will use up the bogrolls for wanking

Offline Horizontal pleasures

I think if we are still in the samer place this time next year the shit will really hit the fan.You're going to have a lot of really pissed off people who will have lost everything and have sod all to lose by causing mayhem.
so when the shit hits the fan you will haveplenty of bogrolls

Offline petermisc

Hopefully, that won't happen, otherwise, many people may even start committing suicide due to mental health issues, lack of money, jobs.
Oh for heavens sake, get a grip.  For all the wailing about how young people are suffering from the restrictions, for example, it was recently reported that mental health issues with the young have DROPPED.  Yes, undoubtedly there are many who are suffering mental health issues due to lockdown, isolating, and the like.  But equally, there are many who have been spared things like school bullying, exam pressure and the like.

In the Thatcher era, whole towns were left devastated by the loss of major employers.  This pandemic has reached nowhere remotely near the scale of economic devastation that was inflicted on large swathes of the midlands and the north back then.  It wasn't just individual pubs and restaurants closing, it was whole towns left with no job in sight.

Offline petermisc

Lets wait and see the unemployment figures when coffers are empty and furlough deal gets cut off.
What coffers?  We haven't had any coffers to empty since before the first world war, if then.  We have been borrowing money to make ends meet for a century or more.  And, in real terms, we are nowhere near the record amounts of debt that we have built up in the past.  When we do get there, then yes there might be some reason to worry.  But currently we are a long, long way off that.  So far off, that people are desperate to lend us money at virtually no interest.

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Oh for heavens sake, get a grip.  For all the wailing about how young people are suffering from the restrictions, for example, it was recently reported that mental health issues with the young have DROPPED.  Yes, undoubtedly there are many who are suffering mental health issues due to lockdown, isolating, and the like.  But equally, there are many who have been spared things like school bullying, exam pressure and the like.

In the Thatcher era, whole towns were left devastated by the loss of major employers.  This pandemic has reached nowhere remotely near the scale of economic devastation that was inflicted on large swathes of the midlands and the north back then.  It wasn't just individual pubs and restaurants closing, it was whole towns left with no job in sight.

I beg to differ because you are referring to only kids and young adults but you are forgetting many others like the ones who are disabled and have been isolated for many years and now struggling even more during the lockdown. There is also the elderly and the homeless will also find it extremely difficult.

Mental health is not something to be laughed at. We all have experienced depression during our lifetime and we all know what it's like, so we must take that and have some empathy towards others with such problems. Many may not commit suicide but when people are already feeling the stresses of the difficulties in their lives, who knows what isolation during lockdown can push people into.  :hi:

Offline Adoniron

Strange how some people who claim to be concerned about mental health and suicide caused by unemployment and lockdown weren't at all worried by mental health and suicide resulting from unemployment or anything else before lockdown, nor I suspect will they be concerned after its all over.

Offline Hobbit

Strange how some people who claim to be concerned about mental health and suicide caused by unemployment and lockdown weren't at all worried by mental health and suicide resulting from unemployment or anything else before lockdown, nor I suspect will they be concerned after its all over.

And you're basing that on what facts? You know nothing about me so please don't make assumptions!

Mental health and suicide have always been a concern to me for many reasons and even pre-lockdown. However, this forum is not the place to campaign for support for mental health.


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I beg to differ because you are referring to only kids and young adults but you are forgetting many others like the ones who are disabled and have been isolated for many years and now struggling even more during the lockdown. There is also the elderly and the homeless will also find it extremely difficult.

Mental health is not something to be laughed at. We all have experienced depression during our lifetime and we all know what it's like, so we must take that and have some empathy towards others with such problems. Many may not commit suicide but when people are already feeling the stresses of the difficulties in their lives, who knows what isolation during lockdown can push people into.  :hi:

Lack of motivation, demotivation, demoralisation across the population - people who probably never considered themselves to struggle or experience anything like this.
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Offline Clitheroelad

Not the same as the first lockdown as all schools and university’s remain open. All factories and building sites he wants open as well. This virus must only spread socially. Poor Supermarket staff got to keep working for low pay and you don’t hear them complaining unlike teachers who are permanently winging how unsafe it is when they’re in a much safer position than the check out person.

I know plenty of teachers who dont whinge. They are just scared like anyone with half a brain.

Offline maxxblue

Oh for heavens sake, get a grip.  For all the wailing about how young people are suffering from the restrictions, for example, it was recently reported that mental health issues with the young have DROPPED.

Where was it reported?  :unknown:

Offline Hobbit

I know plenty of teachers who dont whinge. They are just scared like anyone with half a brain.

It's not the whingeing which is the problem. If these teachers want to not have kids going to school during lockdown then they need to start teaching remotely on a more robust and regular level. Most parents don't have time to do home teaching and the ones that do are too lazy or don't even know how to motivate their kids or themselves.

If teachers want to work from home then they need to start putting in a proper shift and giving some proper education to our kids because without education they will suffer in the long term.

Offline Hobbit

Where was it reported?  :unknown:

He probably read it on the back of a toilet roll. :D

Offline Adoniron

And you're basing that on what facts? You know nothing about me so please don't make assumptions!

Mental health and suicide have always been a concern to me for many reasons and even pre-lockdown. However, this forum is not the place to campaign for support for mental health.

My post wasn't directed at you specifically. If it had been I would have quoted your post so wind your neck in.