The coldness of hookers

[Doc Holliday]

I would add one other aspect to this discussion. There is a significant proportion of punters who don't care. If the SP is 'visually stimulating' they are quite happy for her to lie there like a sack of spuds as they dump their load.

[Marmalade]

My comment was based on only what I've seen of your forum persona and our past interactions. I expected an answer that was more definitive.

I am not offended. If you look only at my attitude towards service providers on here and white knights, you would be correct, no I am not particularly diplomatic to them, in keeping with what I perceive to be the rules and ethos of the board.

Diplomacy comes from words meaning interpretation of official documents and the 'double' nature of interpretation between equal and opposing sides. A service provider (p4p) is by definition not on an equal footing on a punting forum – any more than I would be on an equal footing in a forum set up for p4ps to discuss their business. I don't know if this is hard for you to understand, but notwithstanding what I've just said, if a p4p or white knight makes a point divorced from their role, such as you tried to do on alternate phone numbers, then there's no call to treat that post differently on the basis that it was made by a p4p or white knight.

It's complicated by the fact that a p4p or white knight realises that he or she is at a disadvantage and, unable to control his or her irritation at the fact, will often slip in a sideways dig, which of course invites calumny. Queensberry rules immediately cease if a white knight or p4p is being a cunt!

cave auctor! 

[Rochelle]

Yeah right 

As always you make good valid points and eloquently as is usual , but if memory serves me (and I may be wrong?) there is 'history' between Jerk Chicken and Rochelle. Whenever there is any kind of personal online vendetta then any real discussion becomes distorted by that background.

He and a few others have allowed themselves to be biased because they doesn't like my persona. If it had been someone else saying what I said, it's very likely they would have reacted differently.

Actually, others have agreed with me but haven't drawn the same ire from Mr. Chicken.

[cotton]

Personally i think this topic represents the perfect example of why it is beneficial to have SPs as members able to give their input.
Whenever anyone starts showboating that they get a special service cos theyre so good looking or that they have a special knak with the ladies - its a perfect opportunity for an SP to step in and say something along the lines of " wake up you deluded twat , theyre lying to you , we say that to everybody , its part of the job to blow smoke up your arse and make you feel good.  Most punters are savvy enough to realise it altho theres always the odd simpleton who walks away thinking hes Rasputin" 

[Marmalade]

I would add one other aspect to this discussion. There is a significant proportion of punters who don't care. If the SP is 'visually stimulating' they are quite happy for her to lie there like a sack of spuds as they dump their load.

Indeed there's many types of punters. I'd include many genuine and acceptable categories, only frowning on those who are abusive or dishonest in the punt.

I think it was Desmond Morris that said there were five, or was it ten, types of sex. Posting the quote below from a random blog as I'm too lazy to look it up in his (excellent) book...

The influences at work in the trend towards super-sex have been interwoven with one another. The main factor was the evolution of a giant brain. On the one hand this led to a prolonged childhood and this in turn meant a long-term family unit. A pair-bond had to be forged and maintained. Pair-formation Sex and Pair-maintenance Sex were added to primary Procreation Sex. If active sexual outlets were not available, the ingenuity of the giant brain made it possible for various techniques to be employed to obtain relief from physiological sexual tension. Man's strengthened urge for novelty, his heightened curiosity and inventiveness, gave rise to a massive increase in Exploratory Sex. Because of its efficiency, the giant brain organized his life such a way that man had more and more time to spare and a greater sensitivity available to him while filling it. Self-rewarding Sex, sex for sex's sake, was able to blossom. If there was too much time to spare, then Occupational Sex could step in. If, by contrast, the increased strain of super-tribal pressures and stresses became too heavy, then there was always Tranquillizing Sex. The added complexities of super-tribal life brought increased division of labour and trading, and sexual activity became involved here too, in the form of Commercial Sex. Finally, with the vastly magnified dominance and status problems of the huge super-tribal structure, sex was increasingly borrowed for use in a non-sexual context, as all-pervading Status Sex.

It was simpler in my recollection. Pair bonding/maintenance, athletic sex, sex for mental relaxation and other psychological benefits, pastime sex, healthy pursuits.

I think commercial sex is basically what p4ps do. It's a business for them. Lots of overlaps of course, some healthy, some probably less so.

[JonasG]

Personally i think this topic represents the perfect example of why it is beneficial to have SPs as members able to give their input.
Whenever anyone starts showboating that they get a special service cos theyre so good looking or that they have a special knak with the ladies - its a perfect opportunity for an SP to step in and say something along the lines of " wake up you deluded twat , theyre lying to you , we say that to everybody , its part of the job to blow smoke up your arse and make you feel good.  Most punters are savvy enough to realise it altho theres always the odd simpleton who walks away thinking hes Rasputin" 

Bang on.

I don't think Rochelle has said anything that out of line here.

[Jerk Chicken]

I think some of you guys are far too easily pleased about a SP’s input to our punting forum.

Don’t take it as gospel that if a SP joins and posts regularly what they post is valuable intel or gives us the other side from a WG perspective. Scrutinise what they post and then ask yourself does it add value or is the predominant theme of their posts argumentative lazy challenges. To me, the challenge to @payyoureaymate’s post fell into this category. Some of you will no doubt disagree.

For the avoidance of doubt I will challenge any post that draws my interest where the poster makes a statement of fact but is unable to back it up. I have done so in the past and will do so again.

[Hobbit]

I would add one other aspect to this discussion. There is a significant proportion of punters who don't care. If the SP is 'visually stimulating' they are quite happy for her to lie there like a sack of spuds as they dump their load.

Yes, the necrophiliac kind.

[Marmalade]

Yes, the necrophiliac kind.

Aye, ye cannae beat a wee spot o’ neccafilly! It’s digging up a willing corpse that is the problem. 

[Hobbit]

Aye, ye cannae beat a wee spot o’ neccafilly! It’s digging up a willing corpse that is the problem. 

How can a corpse be willing if it's dead? That makes no sense. 

[RedKettle]

I think some of you guys are far too easily pleased about a SP’s input to our punting forum.

Don’t take it as gospel that if a SP joins and posts regularly what they post is valuable intel or gives us the other side from a WG perspective. Scrutinise what they post and then ask yourself does it add value or is the predominant theme of their posts argumentative lazy challenges. To me, the challenge to @payyoureaymate’s post fell into this category. Some of you will no doubt disagree.

For the avoidance of doubt I will challenge any post that draws my interest where the poster makes a statement of fact but is unable to back it up. I have done so in the past and will do so again.

It is not up to you to tell us what we should think. You are free to continue down your dead end path but have no right to drag others along.

Personally I leave it to admin and mods to decide who should be here and who should not be.

[mh]

How can a corpse be willing if it's dead? That makes no sense. 

Don't we always project onto our sexual partners the desires that we'd wish them to have? 

[smiths]

Its okay, I was just having a bit of a rant. Its just the cold prossie who lies about everything has just become a bit cliche for me. I have spent a lifetime in my own service industry, nothing to do with punting, and trust me its full of hypocracy and lies. Some wgs figure it out. Bella blonde in Bracknell or kylie Marie in Derby have built very successful careers so why dont all the others do the same rather than remain one with loads of negatives on ukp. I cant think of an example but I know there are excellent EE girls and ROMs too. Bring back Andrea Meddan. 

But just like a Bank Manager or a Tesco cashier, or a postman. Some put on a brave face and do the job required. Others bring their dirty laundry to work and are just miserable. Others never plan to be pleasant and find their phones quickly gather dust. It is what it is.

In my punting life, not as prolific as some on here, I have seen the full range of great wgs to absolute horror stories. The one thing Ukp has taught me is to walk. Smiths mentions his ability these days to recognise a miserable prossie before he hands over the dosh. I make more mistakes than that but I am learning.

In my view, let the cold ones be cold, who cares. These days for me they make me laugh more than anything else. 

Anyway. Thats my 2 cents. Apologies for the rant. Feels good to get it out sometimes. All good. 

Sniffing out bad WGs isn't infallible though as their are a few who can put an act on of having a good attitude until I have handed my cash to them, but most cant keep an act up. Also I can and have allowed myself to be cunt struck as I was some months ago by a WG with a cracking lithe body, I even thought it could well be a bad punt and it certainly was. That was £100 I might as well of put in the bin. Overall I have had far more good experiences than bad, if that wasn't the case I would of knocked it on the head, and I praise good WGs on here.

Bad cold WGs who are liars most certainly isn't a cliché sadly, I have met loads over the years and I would say there are more about now on A/W in my area than ever. Unlike you I care about cold WGs and I don't laugh when I read a punter has been fucked over by one, I like to see these low lifes named and shamed on here so other punters are made aware.

Some of these bad WGs don't want to suck and fuck punters at all, they would rather a one-off rip off/conning if they can get away with it, so that's why some don't offer good service. Of course problems exist in other industries as well but UKP is about punting. In regulated industries I often have a comeback if I complain, even a full complaints procedure and a formal regulator, I went through this process recently with a company and won my case getting some compo. Punting offers nothing like this, basically UKP IS the regulator but only reaches the punters aware of it obviously. Its why to me its such an important forum and well done to Head1, other admin and mods for keeping it going.

[dubhcarr]

it is punter beware no guarantees which I agree with Mr Smiths bad SPs have to be called out. Especially the pretty ones who think that if they drop their top thats the fee earned. A lot of girls have put their prices up since July and I look very carefully at reviews and who is prepared to put a shift in and offer a good time for the large fee. 

[smiths]

Indeed. With any forum that is just women it tends to get a bit like that. With p4ps more so.

On the question of having p4ps on here at all, I suppose I should have mentioned, for the sake of members who haven't been on here long enough to become half worn out part of the furniture, that the reason is ultimately a practical one: it is easier to let them on here and keep a lid on them than to 'ban' them and have them sign on as 'punters' out of sheer bloody-mindedness. At least that was old admin's point and although I don't know the present admin-owners nearly so well it is a pretty straightorward administrative thing unless you are going to waste oodles of time and effort cyber-researching every new login.

Last time I had a look on Saffe (is there a reason why we are not spelling it correctly btw?), anyway, it had a vile and abusive notice aimed at anyone from UKP – all of whom are apparently of a certain disgusting 'type'. It really lowered their image a lot.

Of course women, not just p4ps, get to be boring, whingeing, depressing when left in groups on their own, and often rather bitter and anti-men, added to the fact that the woman's brain in most cases can't stick to one subject for more than a short time without changing it and getting irate at anyone who objects (of course some guys are like that as well, but it seems almost universal in women).

Most of us can stand the idea that p4ps need somewhere to 'saffly' let off steam and just leave them to it. A p4p who rants ike an utter stupid cow on saffy may well be the most charming and professional creature for half an hour in the sack. Same for most alcoholics.

Yet they are unable to twig the counterpart for men. "Rochelle" is kind of typical with her little side-swipes ("I never took you for the diplomatic type" she says to me, unable to envisge the fact that I am a delightful punter when the service is good. She might have gleaned the truth from the fact that I have had very friendly relations with several p4ps in the real world (who I don't shag) but chose not to. I have flawless feedback on AW even though that doesn't say much.) My input on UKP, like that of most sensible members, is addressed to men. Not softened down into non-gendered language suitable the cocktail bar of the Sheraton, or the pheremone-aware warmth of the punt. I have little time for punters who choose their words on UKP to appease p4ps. To me that's an abuse (Commonly known as white-knighting).

Yes allowing WGs to be members on UKP was as you say here. However when I joined or shortly afterwards I was puzzled why a complete cunt called Wife4Rent was a member. This was a WG who posted with glee that she purposely double booked punters and if punter 1 turned up she just left punter 2 hanging, no text cancelling or anything. She got banned not long after that post but in my opinion having low life cunts like that on here wasn't a good thing. Another one I knew from pnet, LadyOfTheMansion also got banned around that time. I was very much pro having decent WGs with decent review records on here in the early years, my view changed a few years ago and for me only a very small number of WGs make a contribution worth having. Saying that only a small number post on the main board and hardly any on my area boards in London, so its not a big problem for me.

What I don't like seeing is touting, obvious to me cheerleading by mainly white knight fanboys and arselicking of WGs who are members, to me that's what UKE is for, though I know UKP is no longer linked to UKE. But I also accept its Head 1s site to run as he chooses, and respect that ultimately.

[smiths]

it is punter beware no guarantees which I agree with Mr Smiths bad SPs have to be called out. Especially the pretty ones who think that if they drop their top thats the fee earned. A lot of girls have put their prices up since July and I look very carefully at reviews and who is prepared to put a shift in and offer a good time for the large fee. 

Indeed, and also some WGs are now offering less services like no kissing due to Covid which I understand BUT many aren't charging less due to that, and in fact a few are charging more. I was reading a review on the East Of England board very recently and posted on it where a WG now offers no kissing, no RO and she and the punter have to wear a mask, she provides the mask, but she does offer oral, no idea how that works if she is wearing a mask though. And for this she charges just £200 an hour.

A problem is some punters seem to think the WG getting her tits out but not wanting to do much more is worthy of a positive review, easily satisfied punters their in my view.

[smiths]

It is not up to you to tell us what we should think. You are free to continue down your dead end path but have no right to drag others along.

Personally I leave it to admin and mods to decide who should be here and who should not be.

Is he dragging others along, I would say he posts what he thinks and others read it and decide for themselves what they think of his posts and views. He isn't dragging others along, they either agree with him or not as they so wish.

[Marmalade]

How can a corpse be willing if it's dead? That makes no sense. 

I think Sergei reanimates them. Just enough to say c’mon big boy and then utter time up at a random point halfway through the booking.

[WelshClipper]

Sniffing out bad WGs isn't infallible though as their are a few who can put an act on of having a good attitude until I have handed my cash to them, but most cant keep an act up. Also I can and have allowed myself to be cunt struck as I was some months ago by a WG with a cracking lithe body, I even thought it could well be a bad punt and it certainly was. That was £100 I might as well of put in the bin. Overall I have had far more good experiences than bad, if that wasn't the case I would of knocked it on the head, and I praise good WGs on here.

Bad cold WGs who are liars most certainly isn't a cliché sadly, I have met loads over the years and I would say there are more about now on A/W in my area than ever. Unlike you I care about cold WGs and I don't laugh when I read a punter has been fucked over by one, I like to see these low lifes named and shamed on here so other punters are made aware.

Some of these bad WGs don't want to suck and fuck punters at all, they would rather a one-off rip off/conning if they can get away with it, so that's why some don't offer good service. Of course problems exist in other industries as well but UKP is about punting. In regulated industries I often have a comeback if I complain, even a full complaints procedure and a formal regulator, I went through this process recently with a company and won my case getting some compo. Punting offers nothing like this, basically UKP IS the regulator but only reaches the punters aware of it obviously. Its why to me its such an important forum and well done to Head1, other admin and mods for keeping it going.

Overall I agree with you. If I meet a cold lieing wg the best recourse is to name and shame in a review on here. (And get out of the punt with your money intact if you can) In other words warn other punters and hopefully get her to up her game or leave with a dusty phone. One of the pillars of ukp that is so useful.

Where I lose it is generally complaining about them as a collective. They exist, they are not going away any time soon so deal with it or laugh at it. Otherwise it is just an exercise in frustration and you just go round and round.

[Hobbit]

Overall I agree with you. If I meet a cold lieing wg the best recourse is to name and shame in a review on here. (And get out of the punt with your money intact if you can) In other words warn other punters and hopefully get her to up her game or leave with a dusty phone. One of the pillars of ukp that is so useful.

Where I lose it is generally complaining about them as a collective. They exist, they are not going away any time soon so deal with it or laugh at it. Otherwise it is just an exercise in frustration and you just go round and round.

We're not complaining but discussing and sometimes it's good to vent. Otherwise, we'll all end up as fluffies and whiteknights holding hands and singing Kumbaya with daisies in our hair. You really don't want that. 

[Doc Holliday]

Yes, the necrophiliac kind.

It should be added to the AW likes list 

... Otherwise, we'll all end up as fluffies and whiteknights holding hands and singing Cumbaya with daisies in our hair. You really don't want that. 

Edited that for you

[B4bcock]

Yes, the necrophiliac kind.

Tried necrophilia once.   Dead boring.

[WelshClipper]

We're not complaining but discussing and sometimes it's good to vent. Otherwise, we'll all end up as fluffies and whiteknights holding hands and singing Kumbaya with daisies in our hair. You really don't want that. 

Fair enough 

Now on to my next pet hates....

.....on second thoughts, keep in on topic. 

[smiths]

Overall I agree with you. If I meet a cold lieing wg the best recourse is to name and shame in a review on here. (And get out of the punt with your money intact if you can) In other words warn other punters and hopefully get her to up her game or leave with a dusty phone. One of the pillars of ukp that is so useful.

Where I lose it is generally complaining about them as a collective. They exist, they are not going away any time soon so deal with it or laugh at it. Otherwise it is just an exercise in frustration and you just go round and round.

I treat WGs as what they are, unique individuals and all new ones I meet get a clean slate off me. I despise those that have fucked me over, or punters I know and trust, but there are many WGs who have offered me good service that I respect for that, and there are far more good than bad that I have met.

[mj]

Horses for courses.  There are some WG who I think do really enjoy it and do give a good service.  There are others who only do it for the money, but still try to give a good service.  Then there are those who see it as quick & easy money and really just want to get you out the door as quick as they can.

Similarly, builders, mechanics, sales staff etc. etc. - there are some who really enjoy it and are passionate about what they do, there are others who simply need to earn a living but won't usually go the extra mile.

You only have to look through the regional reviews (or CheckaTrade, or MyBuilder etc.) to see those who consistently get glowing reviews.  But as for that top level satisfaction you are looking for, I'd say that's pretty rare even in wife/girlfriend relationship, let alone with someone that you are paying.  If you do find it (in either setting), it probably won't be long before you get bored and no longer feel completely satisfied.

[RedKettle]

Is he dragging others along, I would say he posts what he thinks and others read it and decide for themselves what they think of his posts and views. He isn't dragging others along, they either agree with him or not as they so wish.

He is saying we are too easily pleased and do not scrutinise what they say, so if we do not agree with him it is because we are idiots. Well he can fuck off because I form my own views of people on here and reach my own conclusions.

Also frankly the point he picked up here was a pedantic splitting of hairs rather than an astounding exposure of false facts.

He is far too full of himself.

[Jerk Chicken]

He is saying we are too easily pleased and do not scrutinise what they say, so if we do not agree with him it is because we are idiots. Well he can fuck off because I form my own views of people on here and reach my own conclusions.

Also frankly the point he picked up here was a pedantic splitting of hairs rather than an astounding exposure of false facts.

He is far too full of himself.

If you are going to respond it would be useful if you paraphrased my post correctly. Verbatim I said “some are far too easily pleased about a SP’s input….” so this means not all. I further added “Some of you will no doubt disagree”. So, for the avoidance of doubt this means posters like yourself do not agree with my comments which is cool.

To insinuate that if punters do not agree with my posts on this thread, they are idiots is simply being antagonistic!

[Marmalade]

I’ve completely lost track of what Ted Chicken and Bejesus Kettle think except that they disagree with each other.

[Jerk Chicken]

I’ve completely lost track of what Ted Chicken and Bejesus Kettle think except that they disagree with each other.

 

[RedKettle]

If you are going to respond it would be useful if you paraphrased my post correctly. Verbatim I said “some are far too easily pleased about a SP’s input….” so this means not all. I further added “Some of you will no doubt disagree”. So, for the avoidance of doubt this means posters like yourself do not agree with my comments which is cool.

To insinuate that if punters do not agree with my posts on this thread, they are idiots is simply being antagonistic!

Your whole post is clear that the "some" you refer to are the idiots who do not agree with your views on WGs being members.  Those who have in your opinion used the right level of examination and analysis come to the same view as you.  As I said I am perfectly happy that the decision is made by Admin and Mods and that members can have their own views which will often be different to mine.  I do not try and tell others how they should go about coming to those views or that they have come to the wrong view.

[Jerk Chicken]

Your whole post is clear that the "some" you refer to are the idiots who do not agree with your views on WGs being members.  Those who have in your opinion used the right level of examination and analysis come to the same view as you.  As I said I am perfectly happy that the decision is made by Admin and Mods and that members can have their own views which will often be different to mine.  I do not try and tell others how they should go about coming to those views or that they have come to the wrong view.

Errr no my learned friend. I would like to see WGs on this forum but ones who contribute value not ones who throw out lazy challenges for the sake of it. It is just the same as I have no time for lurkers who contribute fuck all to the forum and piggy back off member reviews so they can save time & money. But yes as you say it’s down to Mods/Admin.

As I said if your gonna paraphrase do it properly mate!

Over n out 

[RedKettle]

Errr no my learned friend. I would like to see WGs on this forum but ones who contribute value not ones who throw out lazy challenges for the sake of it. It is just the same as I have no time for lurkers who contribute fuck all to the forum and piggy back off member reviews so they can save time & money. But yes as you say it’s down to Mods/Admin.

As I said if your gonna paraphrase do it properly mate!

Over n out 

what you want was nothing to do with what I was saying - it was your criticism of the rest of us for having the wrong view because we fail to scrutinise properly that I took exception to.  Perhaps if you spent more time understanding what people said rather than making cheap (and incorrect) shots about paraphrasing (or some other irrelevant point) you would have less arguments. 

[Atlas1957]

I think SAAFE and UKP are actually very similar.  They both have a lot of posters who show mutual respect for the other group, but they also both have a few vocal posters who quite clearly don't respect the other group.

Both sites don't always call them out for it, but usually they do call it out (I think we do a better job of it) and the moderators of each forum do a good job of keeping things in order.

The one difference is we do let SPs come on here to chat to us.  Could you imagine the same on SAAFE?    Its a shame, because there are a few threads on there where I think the perspective of a reasonable and respectful punter or two could really help them out.  I'm trying to think of a good example, best off the top of my head was an SP complaining they wouldn't follow instructions and park in her drive...  While on this site, doing that is considered a rookie mistake.

[Hobbit]

I think SAAFE and UKP are actually very similar.  They both have a lot of posters who show mutual respect for the other group, but they also both have a few vocal posters who quite clearly don't respect the other group.

Both sites don't always call them out for it, but usually they do call it out (I think we do a better job of it) and the moderators of each forum do a good job of keeping things in order.

The one difference is we do let SPs come on here to chat to us.  Could you imagine the same on SAAFE?    Its a shame, because there are a few threads on there where I think the perspective of a reasonable and respectful punter or two could really help them out.  I'm trying to think of a good example, best off the top of my head was an SP complaining they wouldn't follow instructions and park in her drive...  While on this site, doing that is considered a rookie mistake.

Correction: We don't let SP's on here to chat with us. This is not a pub. They come on here to give their opinion or advice but the ones that tout or try to drum up business or put down punters are soon sent home packing back to their dusty phones.

[cotton]

Errr no my learned friend. I would like to see WGs on this forum but ones who contribute value not ones who throw out lazy challenges for the sake of it. It is just the same as I have no time for lurkers who contribute fuck all to the forum and piggy back off member reviews so they can save time & money. But yes as you say it’s down to Mods/Admin.

As I said if your gonna paraphrase do it properly mate!

Over n out 

So im still curious whats this Knack you think you have with the hookers ?

And also if you really have got such a knack with the hookers, obvious question is why isnt it working on Rochelle , she seems ok. 
Could it be because you arnt paying her she dosnt have to pretend to be impressed by you and tell you how great you are , instead she can tell the truth , and that truth seems to be , and its from the horses mouth because Rochelle is a hooker , that hookers do say BS to massage our egos , and thats great but you shoudnt actually believe it, its not reality , at least take it with a pinch of reality.
You shoudnt be bigging yourself up on the basis that a bunch of hookers say your great.
Anyway youl probably figure this out over time matey   

[Marmalade]

Correction: We don't let SP's on here to chat with us. This is not a pub. They come on here to give their opinion or advice but the ones that tout or try to drum up business or put down punters are soon sent home packing back to their dusty phones.

Actually I think they all come on to tout. Some are just more subtle about it. If it’s not too obvious they get away with it. e.g. what do they have to do to get noticed... be helpful, offer advice, be supportive of punters, be down to earth, not complain, give an impression of being entertaining or sensible. Fluffies fall in love with them. Other members think they’re human and decide to hotlist them. The likes of Rebecca and Lilywhite managed free advertising for years, no one complained.

It’s like John Lewis being super nice, giving you free wifi time, smiling at customers, not being pushy, more enjoyable for them and for customers but basically the strategy pays. They don’t do it for nothing.

Personally I have a mental rule that if I interact with a p4p on here then I am treating them as an individual and therefore will not book them. Saves conflict of interest.

[Hobbit]

Actually I think they all come on to tout. Some are just more subtle about it. If it’s not too obvious they get away with it. e.g. what do they have to do to get noticed... be helpful, offer advice, be supportive of punters, be down to earth, not complain, give an impression of being entertaining or sensible. Fluffies fall in love with them. Other members think they’re human and decide to hotlist them. The likes of Rebecca and Lilywhite managed free advertising for years, no one complained.

It’s like John Lewis being super nice, giving you free wifi time, smiling at customers, not being pushy, more enjoyable for them and for customers but basically the strategy pays. They don’t do it for nothing.

Personally I have a mental rule that if I interact with a p4p on here then I am treating them as an individual and therefore will not book them. Saves conflict of interest.

Actually, you're absolutely right! They do come on here solely to tout. I was trying to sit on the fence when I said that because I didn't want all of the fluffies coming out to attack me with their furry pink axes.

[Rochelle]

So im still curious whats this Knack you think you have with the hookers ?

And also if you really have got such a knack with the hookers, obvious question is why isnt it working on Rochelle , she seems ok. 
Could it be because you arnt paying her she dosnt have to pretend to be impressed by you and tell you how great you are , instead she can tell the truth , and that truth seems to be , and its from the horses mouth because Rochelle is a hooker , that hookers do say BS to massage our egos , and thats great but you shoudnt actually believe it, its not reality , at least take it with a pinch of reality.
You shoudnt be bigging yourself up on the basis that a bunch of hookers say your great.
Anyway youl probably figure this out over time matey   

Blimey, all I said was that some were lying and some were not. Bloody hell, you'd think I brought Armageddon looking at the reaction of a certain few.

[Rochelle]

Actually, you're absolutely right! They do come on here solely to tout. I was trying to sit on the fence when I said that because I didn't want all of the fluffies coming out to attack me with their furry pink axes.

Incorrect in my case. That was never my main reason for being here.

[smiths]

Actually I think they all come on to tout. Some are just more subtle about it. If it’s not too obvious they get away with it. e.g. what do they have to do to get noticed... be helpful, offer advice, be supportive of punters, be down to earth, not complain, give an impression of being entertaining or sensible. Fluffies fall in love with them. Other members think they’re human and decide to hotlist them. The likes of Rebecca and Lilywhite managed free advertising for years, no one complained.

It’s like John Lewis being super nice, giving you free wifi time, smiling at customers, not being pushy, more enjoyable for them and for customers but basically the strategy pays. They don’t do it for nothing.

Personally I have a mental rule that if I interact with a p4p on here then I am treating them as an individual and therefore will not book them. Saves conflict of interest.

Absolutely right, taking Rebecca now banned as an example, she got untold free publicity on here for many years. However, such WGs have to deliver a good service or risk getting a negative review/s so to me that can keep those who care about that on their toes ensuring they do offer a good service.

 I also don't knowingly punt with forum WGs and haven't for years now, but I have punted with some WGs who joined a forum after I had punted with them and saw them again after that, a few of them are on UKE now, or have been on UKE at some time. None on here now that I know of but when I joined UKP there was a WG called Sarahs Back and it turned out she used to work at LMP parties as Sarah who I had punted with many times their, she got banned later if I recall correctly.

[Payyourwaymate]

So im still curious whats this Knack you think you have with the hookers ?

And also if you really have got such a knack with the hookers, obvious question is why isnt it working on Rochelle , she seems ok. 
Could it be because you arnt paying her she dosnt have to pretend to be impressed by you and tell you how great you are , instead she can tell the truth , and that truth seems to be , and its from the horses mouth because Rochelle is a hooker , that hookers do say BS to massage our egos , and thats great but you shoudnt actually believe it, its not reality , at least take it with a pinch of reality.
You shoudnt be bigging yourself up on the basis that a bunch of hookers say your great.
Anyway youl probably figure this out over time matey   

He was not the one that said anything about WGs liking him in any particular manner leading to a better service, I was. That was already resolved, I already apologised for how I came across as. You're barking up the wrong tree saying that to him when he never really said that. He was disputing what Rochelle said to me from my initial post in the first page of the thread which has now spilled over to another topic of whether SPs should be allowed on this site.

[RedKettle]

Absolutely right, taking Rebecca now banned as an example, she got untold free publicity on here for many years. However, such WGs have to deliver a good service or risk getting a negative review/s so to me that can keep those who care about that on their toes ensuring they do offer a good service.

Completely missed that she had been banned - she seemed bullet proof!!  Obviously not to the new regime.

and no James999 to see it happen after all the years of arguments between them.

[Hobbit]

Incorrect in my case. That was never my main reason for being here.

I will believe it the day you buy me a drink.

[Home Alone]

Incorrect in my case. That was never my main reason for being here.

Interesting that you didn't challenge Marmalade's more nuanced, imo, omment in Reply#185.

Can we therefore assume that touting is a reason for you being here? I was going to say a simple 'Yes' or 'No' will do; but, thinking about it, if touting isn't a reason for you being here, what reasons do you have?

[Rochelle]

Interesting that you didn't challenge Marmalade's more nuanced, imo, omment in Reply#185.

Can we therefore assume that touting is a reason for you being here? I was going to say a simple 'Yes' or 'No' will do; but, thinking about it, if touting isn't a reason for you being here, what reasons do you have?

I originally signed up when I stumbled upon it a few years ago. I like reading reviews, I like reading the threads, and sometimes things need challenging. I've answered questions for some regarding the workings of Adultwork, et cetera, and there's a member or two I have the occasional chat with via PM. Surely I don't come across like I'm touting?

[bedhedred]

I looked for Rochelle and couldn't find any AW link,  or a review. So is it self promotion?

[JonasG]

Actually I think they all come on to tout. Some are just more subtle about it. If it’s not too obvious they get away with it. e.g. what do they have to do to get noticed... be helpful, offer advice, be supportive of punters, be down to earth, not complain, give an impression of being entertaining or sensible. Fluffies fall in love with them. Other members think they’re human and decide to hotlist them. The likes of Rebecca and Lilywhite managed free advertising for years, no one complained.

It’s like John Lewis being super nice, giving you free wifi time, smiling at customers, not being pushy, more enjoyable for them and for customers but basically the strategy pays. They don’t do it for nothing.

Personally I have a mental rule that if I interact with a p4p on here then I am treating them as an individual and therefore will not book them. Saves conflict of interest.

I think subconsciously it would make anyone curious. Some redhead used to post here, looked cute in her avatar.

Checked her link and reviews to see if she was close to me (she wasn't). But if she was I would've seen her all because I just saw her posting normally and not actually advertising herself per se but cos of her avatar. Little things like that.

[Rochelle]

I looked for Rochelle and couldn't find any AW link,  or a review. So is it self promotion?

My name has changed many times, and will continue to change in future. Anyway, before I get accused of derailing: as you were...

[JonasG]

I looked for Rochelle and couldn't find any AW link,  or a review. So is it self promotion?

I'm sure she would've replied to some of her reviews (dunno how many she has) on here might just take some time to go through her posting history lol.

But if someone truly wants to find a WG who posts here's reviews etc it shouldn't take much effort even if she changes her name (as Rochelle has) cos the reviews will be collated anyway.

[xyfek]

I think subconsciously it would make anyone curious. Some redhead used to post here, looked cute in her avatar.

Checked her link and reviews to see if she was close to me (she wasn't). But if she was I would've seen her all because I just saw her posting normally and not actually advertising herself per se but cos of her avatar. Little things like that.

I would argue it's actually a conscious decision. And also fits the question that started this thread. Most punters would rather spend their hard earned on a friendly and enthusiastic SP than otherwise, and this takes chemistry, often banter too, which needs time to develop and it's certainly an unknown when you're taking a punt. When you read someone on a forum for long enough, you start to get to know them a little bit, and it's only natural to decide if you'd click away from keyboard (or not). So, it makes perfect sense for a UKP member to consider visiting the most active SPs on here, even when they're not blatantly touting.

For sure, I've added the redhead you speak of (Tailseeker?) to my hot list, but she was a tad expensive so never got round to actually seeing her before her profile disappeared.