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Offline Lingus10

Stupid question chaps
Is it now illegal to arrange a punt in call and outcall

I would have asked Boris but he hasn't a fecking clue what day it is

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It's a debatable issue because it crosses into regulations regarding work and work premises. Best to read for yourself and make your own mind up, if you get nicked for anything "well they told me on a punting forum that it was OK" will not serve as a defence.

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not legal. You are going into someone else's household. It may not be the girls but someone will have private residency of the property. Beware of snoopy neighbours.

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Not sure about visiting a massage parlour, its a place of business so should be ok

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not legal. You are going into someone else's household. It may not be the girls but someone will have private residency of the property. Beware of snoopy neighbours.
This is where the ambiguity is, you a going into someone's place of work and workplaces are exempt and a gathering of two or more is allowed for work purposes.

I think the only people who could state categorically one way or the other would be those tasked with enforcing it.   

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I'd say legal. It's work related and not a social visit. Careful of the neighbours though..

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Might it not be illegal if the WG has a client enter her place of residence   ?

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Might it not be illegal if the WG has a client enter her place of residence   ?
It's a workplace, she's working and in any case entry into private dwellings is allowed for work purposes.

Like I said though we all have to make our own choice on the matter.

Offline michaeldhm

If you are seeing the WG on a regular basis you could try and claim that is is legal because there is an 'ongoing relationship' ...

Offline Mixedracegeordie

Less concerned about covid, but get more anxious about some of the agency premises. In the past these used to be a bit more idiscreet/subject to rotation whereas now in every other review reference is made to ‘the usual flat’ so if i notice on here i’m sure others residing next to said flats might take this is an opportunity to dob you in  :scare: less concerned about flats in multi storey apartments - more bothered about the stand alone ones. Always makes me more paranoid 😱

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Less concerned about covid, but get more anxious about some of the agency premises. In the past these used to be a bit more idiscreet/subject to rotation whereas now in every other review reference is made to ‘the usual flat’ so if i notice on here i’m sure others residing next to said flats might take this is an opportunity to dob you in  :scare: less concerned about flats in multi storey apartments - more bothered about the stand alone ones. Always makes me more paranoid 😱
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Why should you worry, as long as there's no under age, trafficked or coerced you aren't doing anything illegal.   :unknown:

More so anyone keeping an eye out on who’s coming and going (literally). Read srticles about things being posted on facebook etc previously trying to ‘shame’ people.

Definitely no issues regarding the items yu’ve mentioned!

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I think bookings are currently illegal.  If the flat is classed as a workplace, it has to be Covid Secure which I don't think a punt can be.  If it's hospitality, they need to track and trace, which isn't going to happen.  If it's socializing, that's clearly ruled out.  If it's sexual entertainment, that's specifically banned. 

People can do as they wish, and I'm not actively looking to criticize, but I don't think looking for loopholes is the right thing to do.  The intention of the current additional NE restrictions is stop us mixing unnecessarily.  A bit of compliance now means we can all get back to business as normal faster.   




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I think bookings are currently illegal.  If the flat is classed as a workplace, it has to be Covid Secure which I don't think a punt can be.  If it's hospitality, they need to track and trace, which isn't going to happen.  If it's socializing, that's clearly ruled out.  If it's sexual entertainment, that's specifically banned. 

People can do as they wish, and I'm not actively looking to criticize, but I don't think looking for loopholes is the right thing to do.  The intention of the current additional NE restrictions is stop us mixing unnecessarily.  A bit of compliance now means we can all get back to business as normal faster.   
You really think this shambles of a government can do that.
Most people complied with the last lockdown rules just to come out of it when the government rammed us all back in pubs for the 'eat out to help bring the 2nd wave back '

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I think bookings are currently illegal.  If the flat is classed as a workplace, it has to be Covid Secure which I don't think a punt can be.  If it's hospitality, they need to track and trace, which isn't going to happen.  If it's socializing, that's clearly ruled out.  If it's sexual entertainment, that's specifically banned. 

People can do as they wish, and I'm not actively looking to criticize, but I don't think looking for loopholes is the right thing to do.  The intention of the current additional NE restrictions is stop us mixing unnecessarily.  A bit of compliance now means we can all get back to business as normal faster.   
The whole thing is a farce TO, can anyone explain to me how the more vulnerable you are the less these restrictions apply to you.   :unknown:

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I'm surprised the agency's don't hire a few flats in Middlesbrough and Darlington for now. I believe those two places are outside the restriction area and they're not too far away. It's clearly breaking the law operating in Newcastle/Sunderland just now.
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I'm surprised the agency's don't hire a few flats in Middlesbrough and Darlington for now. I believe those two places are outside the restriction area and they're not too far away. It's clearly breaking the law operating in Newcastle/Sunderland just now.
Do you understand the purpose of this site, in case you're wondering it's to share information, mainly by way of reviews, which by the way is somewhat of a requirement. You have spent the last 9 1/2 years popping up all over different regions posting mainly pointless comments.

Are you actually a punter.  If so is there any reason you haven't made any meaningful contributions.      :unknown:

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I was told by both the council and the police that the premises have to be work premises for it to be (allowed). I work from home and have clients visit hence the check.

Offline dino1990

I'm surprised the agency's don't hire a few flats in Middlesbrough and Darlington for now. I believe those two places are outside the restriction area and they're not too far away. It's clearly breaking the law operating in Newcastle/Sunderland just now.

Think you spoke too soon there

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As mentioned earlier, what someone told you on here won't be a good defence.

Bottom line is - if you're caught and fined - what are the consequences. If you're caught, what will you say to the fuzz to argue your case?

You really should be thinking about the consequences to your health and those around you but let's stick to the fine for now.
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How about this though for how rediculas this whole thing is, I've been back to work today and by the nature of the job have had close contact with one other, that's all OK though but I can't go for a pint with him because we can't mix in public places.   :wacko:

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How about this though for how rediculas this whole thing is, I've been back to work today and by the nature of the job have had close contact with one other, that's all OK though but I can't go for a pint with him because we can't mix in public places.   :wacko:

So what would you do then DM if you were in charge of the country? How would you keep everyone safe and the virus at bay without bankrupting the economy?

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So what would you do then DM if you were in charge of the country? How would you keep everyone safe and the virus at bay without bankrupting the economy?
I don't know but it's farcical that one person can spend several hours in close proximity and I mean withing 2 metres of another but then have to sit at separate tables in the pub. We both tested negative two weeks ago BTW.

What am I missing, how does that keep anyone safe.   :unknown:

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Do you understand the purpose of this site, in case you're wondering it's to share information, mainly by way of reviews, which by the way is somewhat of a requirement. You have spent the last 9 1/2 years popping up all over different regions posting mainly pointless comments.

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Well, the original question was "Are bookings legal". I've given my opinion that they're not. If that, and similar views of others, saves the OP from getting in any bother, I'd say it's a meaningful contribution.
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Well, the original question was "Are bookings legal". I've given my opinion that they're not. If that, and similar views of others, saves the OP from getting in any bother, I'd say it's a meaningful contribution.
You have given an opinion on an ambiguous question that you are not qualified to answer, only those who introduced the law or tasked with enforcement are able to clarify the situation. 

You still haven't fully answered the question, why are you here if you don't punt, if you do punt why have you not made any meaningful contributions (as is required under the rules) in the 9 1/2 years you've been a member.    :unknown:

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You have given an opinion on an ambiguous question that you are not qualified to answer, only those who introduced the law or tasked with enforcement are able to clarify the situation. 

You still haven't fully answered the question, why are you here if you don't punt, if you do punt why have you not made any meaningful contributions (as is required under the rules) in the 9 1/2 years you've been a member.    :unknown:

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You really think this shambles of a government can do that.
Most people complied with the last lockdown rules just to come out of it when the government rammed us all back in pubs for the 'eat out to help bring the 2nd wave back '

No.  In my view they messed up by opening up too much, too soon. 

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The whole thing is a farce TO, can anyone explain to me how the more vulnerable you are the less these restrictions apply to you.   :unknown:

I don't disagree there.  I see they are now trying to establish a consistent hierarchy of restrictive measures rather than making it up as they go along in different areas. 

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I don't know but it's farcical that one person can spend several hours in close proximity and I mean withing 2 metres of another but then have to sit at separate tables in the pub. We both tested negative two weeks ago BTW.

What am I missing, how does that keep anyone safe.   :unknown:

Risk benefit I suspect.

Strategy is to reduce the number of people you come into contact with. I suspect the job you do is important so there is a benefit in doing it, with risk. Meeting your mate at the pub however, in the eyes of the government is more on the risk side of risk Vs benefit equation.

However your employer should really be providing the necessary PPE if you are regularly within 2meters of colleagues or clients.

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Risk benefit I suspect.

Strategy is to reduce the number of people you come into contact with. I suspect the job you do is important so there is a benefit in doing it, with risk. Meeting your mate at the pub however, in the eyes of the government is more on the risk side of risk Vs benefit equation.

However your employer should really be providing the necessary PPE if you are regularly within 2meters of colleagues or clients.
There's only two of us work there, we both live in our own 'bubble' so to speak with very limited contact with anyone outside of that, we both got tested before returning to work so we both know we are not infected. We spend several hours working together so please explain what is to be gained by having to sit at separate tables in a pub.

They say they are trying to keep the economy moving but have reduced the hours pubs can open, then further reduce the pub's capacity by making two people who, quite legally, have spent several hours together, sit separately. A family of however many are allowed could be using one of the tables giving the pub more income. It just defies logic.

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The whole situation is farcical getting more confused and contradictory every day

Talking with others it seems a lot are coming to the opinion just let the virus ride out

Offline Fragilehand

Adult work still isn't allowing bookings id say their illegal you can massage the rules anyway you want but legal or not legal most will do what they want not what their told

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It's illegal as far as my understanding goes. I'm not saying it's immoral mind, and no judgement from me if people continue (hell the only thing stopping me is worrying about being caught). It's a risk for sure but so is everything, and yes we all have to make our own choices.

Where the question of legality might actually affect someone's choice, I think it's definitely illegal. Mixing households... and yes it looks like for business/ education etc household meets can continue but as had been mentioned, just can see no way of how a meet could be Covid secure.

The other thing to consider is just how it would come across if you WERE caught - for one thing neighbours are definitely going to be snooping more often and if police are under pressure to catch people then WG premises would be a fucking easy place to start. I think the excuse of meeting a girl for sex just wouldn't wash with the coppers, I can imagine a conversation of "right, so in other words you're paying to s-o-c-i-a-l-i-s-e".

On the OTHER hand, what's a first offence, £100? Not suggesting that's a small amount of money but if the individual could live with that risk, it might be just an extra gamble (and puntings like a fucking gamble anyway!)

There's a whole other argument about 'SHOULD this be happening' but like I said I this wasn't meant to be a moral debate, just whether it's literally legal or not.

No judgement from me towards anyone now, that's my policy. Unless someone's tested positive and going out licking people's faces,  I'm living and letting live. You wanna go out and punt, fucking go for it. You wanna avoid it because of the virus, do so. You wanna avoid because you're worried about getting caught (hello!), climb aboard. But wear a mask and start 2m apart of course.

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There's only two of us work there, we both live in our own 'bubble' so to speak with very limited contact with anyone outside of that, we both got tested before returning to work so we both know we are not infected. We spend several hours working together so please explain what is to be gained by having to sit at separate tables in a pub.

They say they are trying to keep the economy moving but have reduced the hours pubs can open, then further reduce the pub's capacity by making two people who, quite legally, have spent several hours together, sit separately. A family of however many are allowed could be using one of the tables giving the pub more income. It just defies logic.

Well there's nothing to be gained. As far as I understand the rules it's currently illegal to meet someone outside of your household in the pub. So if you do so, and then take up two separate tables denying the pub the opportunity of seating a large family, you probably shouldn't.

I guess the point you're making is you've spent all day sat next to your mate at work so why not in the pub. Yours is obviously a very specific situation, and even with the safeguards you've described you should still both not be within 2m at work without the necessity PPE. 

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Well there's nothing to be gained. As far as I understand the rules it's currently illegal to meet someone outside of your household in the pub. So if you do so, and then take up two separate tables denying the pub the opportunity of seating a large family, you probably shouldn't.

I guess the point you're making is you've spent all day sat next to your mate at work so why not in the pub. Yours is obviously a very specific situation, and even with the safeguards you've described you should still both not be within 2m at work without the necessity PPE.
Who said we didn't have gloves and masks on???? I never said we were 'sat' next to each other either, if we were just sitting in the office all day staying 2m apart wouldn't be a problem. However the nature of some of the work we do means we HAVE to be in close contact with each other.  There are loads of situations where people have to be in close proximity to each other in the workplace. Have you never been to a supermarket and seen staff standing in groups talking, most of the time without masks on either and what they are doing isn't even a two man job. Perhaps you could explain how a job that take three hands to complete can be done without a second person providing the third hand, or indeed how that second person can do so from 2m away.   :unknown:

The point I'm making is that it is ludicrous that two people, who took tests before returning to work, can spend several hours working together but have to sit separately in a pub.

   

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I agree that is ludicrous davie. Common sense says that of course there's no reason you shouldn't be able to go to the pub together. I suppose the problem is that 'common sense' is very difficult to apply in a rule to the entire population because we all work in such different ways. Fucking hell, rules are being broken left right and centre in my place of work. The intention to follow all the guidelines etc is honestly there but then when we need to get the job done it just seems impossible. I'm sure anyone who's in a job where you're moving around and reacting to different situations knows what I'm talking about.


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I agree that is ludicrous davie. Common sense says that of course there's no reason you shouldn't be able to go to the pub together. I suppose the problem is that 'common sense' is very difficult to apply in a rule to the entire population because we all work in such different ways. Fucking hell, rules are being broken left right and centre in my place of work. The intention to follow all the guidelines etc is honestly there but then when we need to get the job done it just seems impossible. I'm sure anyone who's in a job where you're moving around and reacting to different situations knows what I'm talking about.
We are both well known to the manager and staff at the pub we use and under no circumstances will they bend the rules, which is fair enough considering the fines they could get. There is an alternative and that is to go to somewhere we are not known and lie, say we are in the same family / bubble, being able to do that makes an even bigger mockery of the whole thing.

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I think the point is is that it’s impossible to legislate for every scenario, and as has been proved over recent months, a large proportion of the uk citizens think the rules don’t apply to them, or that even if they do apply, “f**k Boris” I’ll do what I like. I’ve seen it in my own community, a family who include a hospital nurse who carried on life as normal - friends and family round even in the early days of lockdown when nobody was allowed to visit. Parties in the garden with no social distancing.

They just flagrantly flouted the rules while at the same time standing at the front door every Thursday clapping the NHS - hypocrites in the extreme. Of course they all got COVID and survived, as they’re fairly young. We’ve all seen on tv the people NOT following the rules in pubs and the like over the past few weeks. The parties, raves and the like being held.

It’s an impossible situation to manage, balancing health and well-being of a nation against the cost of people not working, businesses being closed, and life not continuing as normal. Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t. If everyone did what was being asked of them then then we could contain and control the virus to a greater extent.

DM - you might consider that it is permitted for you to be in close contact with your colleague in your job because it is necessary and is a calculated risk, the risk being balanced with the alternative which is that you can’t work, may be furloughed or made redundant, and the business closing. It is not however necessary for you and the same colleague to be in the pub. Desirable for you and he maybe, but not necessary.

The sooner we all do as we are asked, the sooner normality may resume.

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I understand where you're coming from TT but I'm only using myself as an example to show how idiotic these restrictions are, I don't actually drink so my going to the pub is purely hypothetical.

The truth is they don't want people in pubs at all but can't afford the compensation if they forced them to close. Instead they make it extremely difficult for them to make a profit and if they close voluntarily there's no compen to pay. 

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I do agree DM, sometimes it just seems to not make any sense. I can meet friends (I think) in a pub garden, but not in my own garden  :unknown:

It’s being suggested that things will be simplified in the coming days, I hope so because it hurts my head!  :rolleyes:

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I think the point is is that it’s impossible to legislate for every scenario, and as has been proved over recent months, a large proportion of the uk citizens think the rules don’t apply to them, or that even if they do apply, “f**k Boris” I’ll do what I like. I’ve seen it in my own community, a family who include a hospital nurse who carried on life as normal - friends and family round even in the early days of lockdown when nobody was allowed to visit. Parties in the garden with no social distancing.

They just flagrantly flouted the rules while at the same time standing at the front door every Thursday clapping the NHS - hypocrites in the extreme. Of course they all got COVID and survived, as they’re fairly young. We’ve all seen on tv the people NOT following the rules in pubs and the like over the past few weeks. The parties, raves and the like being held.

It’s an impossible situation to manage, balancing health and well-being of a nation against the cost of people not working, businesses being closed, and life not continuing as normal. Damned if you do, and damned if you don’t. If everyone did what was being asked of them then then we could contain and control the virus to a greater extent.

Aye it may be nearly impossible to legislate but the rules could have been made simpler from the start, (e.g. If they started by saying if you're inside you have to wear a facemask unless you are eating, drinking or have an exception). That way it would be easier to understand and follow the rules. Plus can you honestly say you know which are the rules and which are guidelines? As well as which rules apply in which area of the country?

People, in general, are not following the rules as that is what the media is encouraging people to do with how they are reporting the whole situation (imo they are just trying to maximise their profits without caring about the long term effects of those actions).

This may be getting a bit political but I believe if there was greater support on the medical side, people would feel more confident and more likely to return to some of their previous spending habits. If we had 30-minute tests results as they do in Italy it would help to return to something more like what we were used to before(External Link/Members Only). As other countries such as France and Germany are trialling the same system in their countries, why aren't we?

I did believe back in March it would last 12-18 months, with some long term effects, like how after 9/11 there was still an effect on airport security 5 years after it happened. But now would assume this is the new normal and it isn't going back to how it was before.

But going back to the original topic I don't believe bookings that are inside are legal, from my understanding of the current laws.

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People, in general, are not following the rules as that is what the media is encouraging people to do with how they are reporting the whole situation (imo they are just trying to maximise their profits without caring about the long term effects of those actions).

This may be getting a bit political but I believe if there was greater support on the medical side, people would feel more confident and more likely to return to some of their previous spending habits. If we had 30-minute tests results as they do in Italy it would help to return to something more like what we were used to before(External Link/Members Only). As other countries such as France and Germany are trialling the same system in their countries, why aren't we?

I did believe back in March it would last 12-18 months, with some long term effects, like how after 9/11 there was still an effect on airport security 5 years after it happened. But now would assume this is the new normal and it isn't going back to how it was before.

But going back to the original topic I don't believe bookings that are inside are legal, from my understanding of the current laws.

Well it's starting to get way too friggin cold for "Out-Door" sex, Matey..................  :scare:      :lol:   :lol:   :lol:

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Banned reason: Fantasy reviews. Using UKP name to push boundaries and attempt bareback & stalker
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