Author Topic: 2020/21 football season  (Read 67012 times)

Offline David1970

Agree about Rooney. Definitely a case of unfulfilled potential. Apart from Euro 2004 when he looked world class before getting injured. He played in some fantastic teams but was rarely the best player so although he was fantastic in patches he was never in the conversation of top 5 best players at any time.

With Kane it's different as he hasn't played in a top top team surrounded by talent. I've no doubt that if Kane signs for Man U or Man City he'd be better then Rooney was. By the way I was a big Rooney fan when he was a raw angry Scouser swearing at refs and smashing volleys in 👍

Got to disagree with you on Rooney, I think he was a good club player but no where near world class. I don’t think he would made it in Spain with the big 2 for example. I must admit I never liked him for his behaviour towards refs, disgraceful example to children watching.


Offline The0neAnd0nly

Got to disagree with you on Rooney, I think he was a good club player but no where near world class. I don’t think he would made it in Spain with the big 2 for example. I must admit I never liked him for his behaviour towards refs, disgraceful example to children watching.

Just to confirm I think all of the stuff highlighted in bold too I just meant at Euro 2004 he looked like he was going to become world class.

I like players who play with passion even if its anger or arseiness. Shows they care! Ronaldinho (smile) Cantona (arrogance) Rooney (anger) Ronaldo (desire) its personally why I watch the game for. Cant be dealing with players who look and play the same whether their team is winning 3-0 or losing 3-0!  :D

Offline Coriniumstud

Got to disagree with you on Rooney, I think he was a good club player but no where near world class. I don’t think he would made it in Spain with the big 2 for example. I must admit I never liked him for his behaviour towards refs, disgraceful example to children watching.
Agree about Shrek,apart from Euro 2004 he let England down at every other major tournament

Offline chrishornx

so it would be interesting if you could expand upon what aspects of his game you believe he is missing.

not a bid footie fan but followed this thread and no convinced about Kane

what is he missing? two ways to address this ...firstly do you truly believe he is the complete footballer with no aspect of his game that needs improving? If not then there is your answer

as to what he could be 'missing'  ...

lack of sheer pace
set piece..not scored for country or Spurs since 2015 yet takes a lot of free kicks for spurs since Emerson left
not as helpful as he could be in defence when required
injury prone

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not a bid footie fan but followed this thread and no convinced about Kane

what is he missing? two ways to address this ...firstly do you truly believe he is the complete footballer with no aspect of his game that needs improving? If not then there is your answer

as to what he could be 'missing'  ...

lack of sheer pace
set piece..not scored for country or Spurs since 2015 yet takes a lot of free kicks for spurs since Emerson left
not as helpful as he could be in defence when required
injury prone

I don't know whether this is still the case but he used to take the corner kicks for spurs which was strange .Surely you would want your best goalscorer in the penalty area getting in on the end of these crosses or any half chances which may occur. Can't recall him scoring many goals with headers either . That's something else that he needs to add to his game. Having said all that his goalscoring record over the past few seasons is still consistently good. If he went to a club like Manchester City he would fit right in and bang in 25+ goals a season. Only Man City and Chelsea in this country could afford to buy him and you could not see Spurs selling him to their London rivals. PSG would be another option but would he want to play in France  :unknown: I think Man City are more likely to go for Dortmund's Erling Haaland who is the son of a former Man City player and is a self confessed Man City fan and Kane does seem to be more injury proned lately.
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Offline chrishornx

Got to disagree with you on Rooney, I think he was a good club player but no where near world class. I don’t think he would made it in Spain with the big 2 for example. I must admit I never liked him for his behaviour towards refs, disgraceful example to children watching.

got to agree he was nt the most prolific and a yob

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got to agree he was nt the most prolific and a yob

 Very good honest hard working player
Unlike others he didn't dive in the penalty box!!
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Offline chrishornx

Very good honest hard working player
Unlike others he didn't dive in the penalty box!!

true about the diving but his stats aren't earth shattering and his abuse towards refs and poor example to kids left a lot to desire

Offline cideruk

Very good honest hard working player
Unlike others he didn't dive in the penalty box!!

He broke the invicibles run by diving

Cheating granny shagging cunt

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Offline ratedj

not a bid footie fan but followed this thread and no convinced about Kane

what is he missing? two ways to address this ...firstly do you truly believe he is the complete footballer with no aspect of his game that needs improving? If not then there is your answer

as to what he could be 'missing'  ...

lack of sheer pace
set piece..not scored for country or Spurs since 2015 yet takes a lot of free kicks for spurs since Emerson left
not as helpful as he could be in defence when required
injury prone

I do not believe that Kane is a complete footballer, and I would argue that there is no such thing, though I would suggest that he is a complete centre forward. Principally speaking, a striker has two roles; to link the midfield with attack, via their hold-up play, and to score goals, be it right foot, left foot, head. Kane is one of the best in both areas. The basic stats do not lie: 244 league appearances, 165 goals (26 w/head, 103 w/ r/foot, 35 w/ l/foot, 1 FK), with a goals per match ratio of 0.68, as well as 33 assists.   

Every sportsman/woman is also striving to improve. It's just in their nature. Regarding a lack of sheer pace, you could argue that genetics play a huge part in ones's accumulation of fast-twitch muscle fibers. You either have it or you do not, but more importantly, it's how you use whatever you have at your disposal. Finishing, movement and first touch are the type of areas where a forward can massively influence their development.

Emerson? Not sure who he is.

You might also be surprised to find that Kane has completed 181 clearances and 141 headed clearances, compared with, for instance, Sergio Aguero, whose numbers for both metrics read 14 and 3. Either way, I would much prefer my striker to take up residence in the opposition's box rather than my own. 

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Emerson? Not sure who he is.
 

Reckon he meant Eriksen as I thought the same thing when I read it.

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Reckon he meant Eriksen as I thought the same thing when I read it.

Yeah, that makes sense.

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Fifa are now considering having the World Cup every 2 years instead of every 4 years ffs.  :dash: A corrupted organisation driven by greed. Looks like all the minor football federations will vote this through. It's bad enough that the competition is expanded with more teams taking part every tournament now.

Offline Thephoenix

It's interesting that the top goalscorers in the premier League are playing for teams that have struggled to get into the top four.
You have to go down to eighth place before seeing a Man City player, yet as a team, they've scored far more goals.

That begs the question whether so called strikers are as valuable a commodity as they think they are.

How many times have we seen the likes of Kane and Salah frustratingly go for a shot at a ridiculous angle when team mates have been in much better positions to score.

Team results should always take precedence over individual scoring records.

Offline The0neAnd0nly

It's interesting that the top goalscorers in the premier League are playing for teams that have struggled to get into the top four.
You have to go down to eighth place before seeing a Man City player, yet as a team, they've scored far more goals.

That begs the question whether so called strikers are as valuable a commodity as they think they are.

How many times have we seen the likes of Kane and Salah frustratingly go for a shot at a ridiculous angle when team mates have been in much better positions to score.

Team results should always take precedence over individual scoring records.

Agree with you the part in bold buddy. I dont think the out and out striker (Ageuro Kane and Lewandowski) is fading out personally.

Don't forget Spain started the false 9 trend and won a Euros (2012?) that way but their run ended after this. Depends on the team and players included of course but dont think team would consistently be able to win trophies without a recognised out and out striker.

Think Man City will revert back to having a proper centre forward next season once they are able to dictate play more in their usual style (they've missed David Silva and KDB been injured a lot hence Pep has favoured more midfielders.)

Going to be a huge season for Foden I feel to see if he has the ability to become a world class player in the Iniesta mould. Apart from his name hes the most non English player we've produced since perhaps Gazza (maybe Scholes).

Offline Blackpool Rock

It's interesting that the top goalscorers in the premier League are playing for teams that have struggled to get into the top four.
You have to go down to eighth place before seeing a Man City player, yet as a team, they've scored far more goals.

That begs the question whether so called strikers are as valuable a commodity as they think they are.

How many times have we seen the likes of Kane and Salah frustratingly go for a shot at a ridiculous angle when team mates have been in much better positions to score.

Team results should always take precedence over individual scoring records.
You make some good points but what's the reason for this, personally I always think that a good player can look great in a mediocre team as they will outshine the others whereas a good player in a great team surrounded by world class players will only look good or even mediocre.

There is of course the argument that some players will raise their game when playing with great players but on the other hand their talents may just get watered down.  :unknown:

Looking at the teams i'd say Man City haven't had an out and out forward banging in the goals but have better all round strength in depth and have been able to rely on some world class midfielders to also get a reasonable amount of goals.

Man City midfielders names are perhaps even more notable than their forwards this season, Ilkay Gundogan; Kevin De Bruyne (world class for a few years now); Bernardo Silva; Rodrigo; Fernandinho; Phil Foden (Has a great potential to be the next Scholes; Lampard or Gerrard)

Liverpool have had a lot of high profile injuries and Jordan Henderson was quite a big loss to their midfield distributing the right ball to the forwards, Salah has long been regarded as being quite a selfish player in that he goes for goal himself rather than passing to a team mate who may have a better opportunity. Firmino has got a few goals recently but has never been as prolific as Salah or Mane though many say he plays a slightly more holding role rather than being the out and out striker, Mane who will run all day long and put the effort in has seemed a bit out of sorts this season and appears to have missed a hat full of chances that he's normally score.
Liverpool's best play maker this season is possibly their defender Trent Alexander Arnold which perhaps says something about their lack of strength in depth albeit with a lot of long term injuries

Spurs basically have Kane and Son as their stand out forwards, Bale was world class and still able to produce the goods but hasn't had much game time, Lucas Moura and Steven Bergwijn have poor records compared to Kane and Son who as i've said before do seem to have a great partnership

So at Liverpool given the more mediocre squad other players will be looking to get the ball to Salah and Mane while at Spurs other players will be looking to get the ball to Kane and Son therefore by definition those players are getting so many more opportunities to shine and float to the top of the golden boot list
Counter that with Man City who have more class in more positions and world class midfielders like Kevin De Bruyne or Phil Foden and their thoughts are partly about taking the chance themselves but when they do distribute it to a forward there are also more class forwards to choose from at Man City.
I'm also guessing but with more class forwards to pick from the man City forwards will have on average played less minutes than Salah; Mane; Kane and Son who would naturally be on the team sheet if fully fit

Put Salah and / or Kane into the Man City squad getting less game time and surrounded by more competition and does their 22 goals this season become 12 or 15  :unknown:

Offline Gordon Bennett

Fifa are now considering having the World Cup every 2 years instead of every 4 years ffs.  :dash: A corrupted organisation driven by greed. Looks like all the minor football federations will vote this through. It's bad enough that the competition is expanded with more teams taking part every tournament now.

That'd mean qualifying games for next competition commencing literally a month after the final.

I doubt they really want this - I suspect they're after something else that's not quite as demented. They can watch the fall-out from this proposal erupt and 6 months down the line they can announce they have listened to the football family and have abandoned their plans for a bi-annual tournament and will now pursue expanding participation in WC finals to 128 teams instead. This will then look like a reasonable compromise.

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That'd mean qualifying games for next competition commencing literally a month after the final.

I doubt they really want this - I suspect they're after something else that's not quite as demented. They can watch the fall-out from this proposal erupt and 6 months down the line they can announce they have listened to the football family and have abandoned their plans for a bi-annual tournament and will now pursue expanding participation in WC finals to 128 teams instead. This will then look like a reasonable compromise.

The problem is it's Fifa's lesser nations are calling for this .Like you say qualification will start for the next tournament as soon as the last one finishes. The 2026 tournament  is due to be hosted by the USA, Canada and Mexico will have in increased number of teams taking part .(48 teams) which will equate to 80 matches. Mexico will have 3 staging cities, Canada 2 possibly 3 the USA 10 or 11 depending on a 3rd Canadian city's interest. Montreal were one of the interested venues but now look to have gone cold on the idea after looking at the cost especially as they suffered huge financial costs of staging the 1976 olympics. More African teams will qualify than ever before. Denver are one city interested in staging games but the high altitude will probably rule them out.
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Offline Blackpool Rock

Brentford through to the Championship play off final again, hope they make it this time, be good to see a small club who haven't been there before in the big time  :drinks:

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Brentford through to the Championship play off final again, hope they make it this time, be good to see a small club who haven't been there before in the big time  :drinks:

Yes Brentford have a poor record in the play off finals. Lost to Fulham last year. They have lost 4 play off finals All told (3 in league 1) in recent seasons. I hope they go one better this time and make to the Premier league. Well done to St. Johnstone on winning the Scottish FA Cup. Good to see 2 teams other than the Usuall Celtic or Rangers in the final. They also won the Scottish league Cup earlier this season so have completed a domestic Cup double. I would imagine that's a first outside of Celtic or Rangers achieving this.
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Brentford through to the Championship play off final again, hope they make it this time, be good to see a small club who haven't been there before in the big time  :drinks:

And Blackpool through to the League 1 play off final. :hi:

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Atletico Madrid have just won the Spanish league. Diego Simeone is a difficult person to like from the outside but he certainly gets results.

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Atletico Madrid have just won the Spanish league. Diego Simeone is a difficult person to like from the outside but he certainly gets results.

First title since 2014. Good to see a team other than Real Madrid or Barcelona win it.

Offline martini2429

Fifa are now considering having the World Cup every 2 years instead of every 4 years ffs.  :dash: A corrupted organisation driven by greed. Looks like all the minor football federations will vote this through. It's bad enough that the competition is expanded with more teams taking part every tournament now.

Personally I think this is a really bad idea, most of the World Football Conferences have their own tournaments in between World Cups, us with the Euro's, Africa with the Africa Cup of Nations and in South America they have the Gold Cup where they invite a couple of teams from North and Central America, not sure about Asia but I am sure they have one also, then of course there is Olympic Qualification, so with a World Cup every 2 years it would be constant qualification for that tournament and forget the rest, no leave it at every 4 years, if they want to extend it to add more teams then fine do that, as someone else has said, it would mean more money for them, this way of thinking is something Sepp Blatter and his lapdog Platini would have thought of, surprised if it's Gianni Infantino who has come up with this

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And Blackpool through to the League 1 play off final. :hi:
Yeah hope we can get promoted now that Oyston has fucked off  :drinks:

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Yeah hope we can get promoted now that Oyston has fucked off  :drinks:

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And teams consisted of mainly British players who were either skillful or hard as nails not cheating, diving overpaid  primadonnas

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And teams consisted of mainly British players who were either skillful or hard as nails not cheating, diving overpaid  primadonnas
Scots; Welsh and Irish were considered exotic foreign players back then  :rolleyes:

Offline Gordon Bennett

Somebody today will qualify for the Europa Conference League next season. Anyone know what the hell it is???? The Europa League is already somewhat tin-pot and second fiddle so gawd knows where this new thing will sit.

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Somebody today will qualify for the Europa Conference League next season. Anyone know what the hell it is???? The Europa League is already somewhat tin-pot and second fiddle so gawd knows where this new thing will sit.

Another micky mouse tournament invented by Uefa to give more teams a chance to play in Europe. This is for teams not good enough to qualify for the Europa league and shite teams from the lesser European countries.  Teams who finish mid table in the major domestic leagues can look forward to rubbing shoulders from the top teams of Albania, Poland Ukraine etc. It will be ranked 3rd in importance behind the Champions league and Europa league. Another pointless money making tournament from the people who run Uefa.
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Offline ratedj

Somebody today will qualify for the Europa Conference League next season. Anyone know what the hell it is???? The Europa League is already somewhat tin-pot and second fiddle so gawd knows where this new thing will sit.

It is essentially a reintroduction of the former Cup-Winners Cup, which I remembered to be a pretty decent competition, as was the UEFA Cup. Unfortunately, due to there being such an emphasis on Champions League qualification, the Europa Conference League will likely become a Europa League afterthought in the same manner that the Europa League has become for the Champions League.

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Somebody today will qualify for the Europa Conference League next season. Anyone know what the hell it is???? The Europa League is already somewhat tin-pot and second fiddle so gawd knows where this new thing will sit.

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Offline The Film Director

Another pointless money making tournament from the people who run Uefa.

Maybe the BBC will get the rights to show the Kosovan vs The Faroe Island champions.  Can't wait.  :D

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After their 3-0 home victory over Hartlepool today Sutton United are National League champions and are promoted to the EFL. Like Harrogate Town before them, they will have to replace their plastic pitch though.

Offline Blackpool Rock

5 Live and Sports extra have Aston Villa Vs Chelsea and Liverpool Vs Palace then Talksport have Leicester Vs Spurs

Leicester took the initiative and scored 1st meaning they went 3rd but then Liverpool also scored before Spurs pegged Leicester back and Villa went ahead of Chelsea  :scare:

As things stand at half time Liverpool in 3rd with Chelsea 4th and Leicester missing out in 5th

Basically Leicester need to win their game really and i'd like to see them qualify for the CL as they've done well again this season and just missed out on the last weekend last year too, Chelsea can still qualify for next year if the beat Man City in the final this year and I think it would be good to have them in it too  :drinks:

Offline Blackpool Rock

Chelsea have subbed their keeper at half time, bad news for the CL final  :scare:

Offline Rick2468

This is a great final day. I love it when sport comes down to such fine margins. And my team aren't involved so can relax and enjoy it. My guess is Leicester to miss out.

Offline Blackpool Rock

This is a great final day. I love it when sport comes down to such fine margins. And my team aren't involved so can relax and enjoy it. My guess is Leicester to miss out.
Leicester 2-1 penalty so they are 4th now  :thumbsup:

Offline Blackpool Rock

And Villa have a penalty now 2-0 not looking good for Chelsea

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And Villa have a penalty now 2-0 not looking good for Chelsea

If results stay as they are the only way Chelsea will qualify for next seasons Champions league is to win the tournament by beating Man City in this year's final.

Offline ratedj

Chelsea are going to win the Champions League.

Offline Blackpool Rock

Chelsea have one back, this is great drama and it's only the race for 3rd and 4th not even the title or relegation

Offline Blackpool Rock

Leicester keeper fucked up the punch and it's 2-2 so they are 5th again and Liverpool 2-0 up

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Aguero is class, he only came on about 10 minutes ago for his last appearance and has scored 2 already

Offline Rick2468

Leicester 2-1 penalty so they are 4th now  :thumbsup:

My prediction is winning so far. So far....

Offline Blackpool Rock

My prediction is winning so far. So far....
Not up to date with your info Leicester Vs Spurs went 2-2 and now 3-2 to Spurs

Edit - Just read up a few posts and you did say leicester to miss out so yes
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Not up to date with your info Leicester Vs Spurs went 2-2 and now 3-2 to Spurs

Edit - Just read up a few posts and you did say leicester to miss out so yes

I didn't expect it to turn out like this thought Chelsea would beat villa

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Aguero is class, he only came on about 10 minutes ago for his last appearance and has scored 2 already

Can't understand why Man City are letting him go. I know he's had injury problems this season but he could still do a job for them. I guess if they sign Harry Kane he wouldn't be a bad replacement for him.

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Spurs now 3-2 up .Not looking good for Leicester