Doesn't see White Mans

[Rochelle]

Sorry, this industry is different. Yes it's work, but the type of business makes this different. It doesn't make one racist if they choose to only service a particular race.
Whether they say only white, or only black, or only Asian, that doesn't automatically mean they're racist.
If an escort chooses to only sleep with a certain race based on her personal preference, that doesn't mean she's a racist.

It's funny though. In the past, I've seen discussions here about the profiles that exclude black men. There always seems to be folk who are quick to jump in and defend the escort's right to sleep with who she wants, and those people are always quick to say that there could be other reasons for excluding black men.

On this occasion, one woman chooses to only see black men and she's racist.
 

[smiths]

Sorry, this industry is different. Yes it's work, but the type of business makes this different. It doesn't make one racist if they choose to only service a particular race.
Whether they say only white, or only black, or only Asian, that doesn't automatically mean they're racist.
If an escort chooses to only sleep with a certain race based on her personal preference, that doesn't mean she's a racist.

Outside punting in theory a business cant choose who they deal with race wise, though they could if they really wanted to but that would risk being accused of racism. They could get prosecuted as has happened to a number of businesses over the years. I cant see that happening in punting as you cant force a WG to suck and fuck someone she doesn't want to see. That last bit is as it should be in my view, the WG having free choice overrides everything else to me.

But it still makes such WGs racist as I posted above when they state no blacks due to a bad experience, or just no blacks welcome, that is the very embodiment of racism in my book. As it stands in punting a WG can state any preference she likes and exclude who she likes, its ultimately her body, her choice, but that doesn't mean others cant comment on what they think of her choices obviously.

[bhudda]

Sorry, this industry is different. Yes it's work, but the type of business makes this different. It doesn't make one racist if they choose to only service a particular race.
Whether they say only white, or only black, or only Asian, that doesn't automatically mean they're racist.
If an escort chooses to only sleep with a certain race based on her personal preference, that doesn't mean she's a racist.

It's funny though. In the past, I've seen discussions here about the profiles that exclude black men. There always seems to be folk who are quick to jump in and defend the escort's right to sleep with who she wants, and those people are always quick to say that there could be other reasons for excluding black men.

On this occasion, one woman chooses to only see black men and she's racist.
 

Id be curious to learn what you think is racist?

[j_181]

Sorry, this industry is different. Yes it's work, but the type of business makes this different.

I'm sure most people involved in any industry think that their specific industry is *special*. But you can't have your cake and eat it. You either get the full protection of the law which comes with a responsibility to obey the law yourself, or you get neither.

[winkywanky]

Ah, this old chestnut, but turned on its head  .

There's been many discussions on here about this (most of them very civilised and unrancorous, PP where art thou?  )

Who you choose to have sex with is separate from everything else in your life. It just is. The grey area if you will, is when having sex is your job. So you end up with a clash of 'Rights'.

The inalienable right of a person to receive the same treatment or a service, regardless of their race/colour/religion.

And: the inalienable right of a woman to choose who she allows between her legs. If you force her to do anything else, that's rape.

Whether you think women actually rule the world by stealth or not (and men just think they run it), option two always wins out. Always should win out.

There may be many reasons why someone chooses not to have sex with someone, based on their colour. One of them may be racism. In actual fact, in the strictest sense of the term, if you do or think anything based on someone's colour then that is racist. And of course that then goes for anyone, regardless of what colour they are. We are pretty well all 'racist' in some way, however small, and whatever colour we are.

That's different from being treated by the police differently, denying someone opportunities in social or job progression or denying access to pretty well anything else in society, based on colour. And anything that stops you being who you are, so long as it's within the law. And anything that stops you being represented and heard. Those things are racist, not a woman saying she doesn't want to fuck you.

So is this WG in question racist against White guys? I doubt it. She just fancies Black guys or fetishises them (another whole debate, perhaps  ). But ultimately we're talking about sex here.

[Steely Dan]

Almost no one says they want to be treated exactly like all other workers.  They just want to be treated fairly.  Sex work is not the same as running a B&B.  If an escort (M, F, T, etc) only wants to see certain ages, sizes, races, nationalities or sexes, that is fine.  Plenty of Fish.  Ok, linguistically this is racism, agism etc.  But an understandable form. 

Not to go off topic, but another obvious way it will always be different is that an unemployed person at the Job centre will never be forced to join a (future) legal brothel or risk loosing benefits.  The UK is generally good at a bit of common sense.

By the way, I do happen to think it is a bit shabby when escorts judge a person they never met by their skin colour or nationality.  It does put me off a tad.  So I vote with my dosh.

Also good to know that on this forum, few of us judge a new Romanian escort that we have never met by the behaviour (or reputation) of others from her country.

[daviemac]

I'm sure most people involved in any industry think that their specific industry is *special*. But you can't have your cake and eat it. You either get the full protection of the law which comes with a responsibility to obey the law yourself, or you get neither.

What law states that a woman must have sex with someone she doesn't want to have sex with and could prosecuted if she doesn't.

[Rochelle]

Ah, this old chestnut, but turned on its head  .

There's been many discussions on here about this (most of them very civilised and unrancorous, PP where art thou?  )

Who you choose to have sex with is separate from everything else in your life. It just is. The grey area if you will, is when having sex is your job. So you end up with a clash of 'Rights'.

The inalienable right of a person to receive the same treatment or a service, regardless of their race/colour/religion.

And: the inalienable right of a woman to choose who she allows between her legs. If you force her to do anything else, that's rape.

Whether you think women actually rule the world by stealth or not (and men just think they run it), option two always wins out. Always should win out.

There may be many reasons why someone chooses not to have sex with someone, based on their colour. One of them may be racism. In actual fact, in the strictest sense of the term, if you do or think anything based on someone's colour then that is racist. And of course that then goes for anyone, regardless of what colour they are. We are pretty well all 'racist' in some way, however small, and whatever colour we are.

That's different from being treated by the police differently, denying someone opportunities in social or job progression or denying access to pretty well anything else in society, based on colour. And anything that stops you being who you are, so long as it's within the law. And anything that stops you being represented and heard. Those things are racist, not a woman saying she doesn't want to fuck you.

So is this WG in question racist against White guys? I doubt it. She just fancies Black guys or fetishises them (another whole debate, perhaps  ). But ultimately we're talking about sex here.

Finally, someone who gets what I'm saying.

[j_181]

What law states that a woman must have sex with someone she doesn't want to have sex with and could prosecuted if she doesn't.

Sorry but I think the question is disingenuous. The law says little any specific industry. What law specifically states that a manicurist must manicure the nails of someone they don't want to; what law states that a baker must sell a cake to someone they don't want to? No law, as I imagine you know.

Nonetheless it is illegal under the Equality Act 2010 to refuse a service on the basis of race.

Ultimately I don't agree that sex is a special kind of service that should be treated differently in law to other services. I may be convinced otherwise, but "it just is" isn't convincing.

[daviemac]

Sorry but I think the question is disingenuous. The law says little any specific industry. What law specifically states that a manicurist must manicure the nails of someone they don't want to; what law states that a baker must sell a cake to someone they don't want to? No law, as I imagine you know.

Nonetheless it is illegal under the Equality Act 2010 to refuse a service on the basis of race.

Ultimately I don't agree that sex is a special kind of service that should be treated differently in law to other services. I may be convinced otherwise, but "it just is" isn't convincing.

You're missing the point, prostitution by it's very nature is exempt from that legislation.  A manicurist, baker, publican, cafe / restaurant owner would all be breaking the law if they refused service based on race. It is not illegal for a prostitute to refuse to have sex with anyone she does not want to have sex with and she can't be made to. A baker can be told he must serve everyone, no woman can be forced to have sex. it is the basic right of all women to say no, for whatever reason the choose and that basic right trumps any other legislation.

The simple fact is to have sex with a woman without explicit consent is rape and no woman can be forced into being raped.

* There's an old saying that is very true in your case, 'you can't educate pork'   

[Bum Lovin Criminal]

WW was right in saying, " this old chestnut again".  This topic in it's many, many, many varying forms comes up every so often like the national park geyser. 

It really should be locked by now and it's becoming circular and repetitive.   (there really is plenty in the archives for anyone who can use a search bar)

Wasn't it Gordon Bennett who raised it last too?

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=246227.msg2516627#msg2516627

The same old point that "sex work " is different to other legislation protected work seems to get lost in the fog of emotionally fuelled debate.  It is the woman's choice

and the law does not have a place in forcing her to accept a dick she doesn't want.  Now maybe a massage service is a different matter and many of the points raised

would apply then.   So I guess in this sense, "sex work" can never be a "proper job" Imagine if the law forced all punters punts had to reflect the racial make up of the

UK....ludicrous!  Your money, your choice!  Her noonie, her choice,

even if racism is the driving factor in her decision or not.   Sainsbury's cannot state, "due to a bad experience, black lads are not allowed in"  but an SP can and rightly

so, it is beyond legal challenge......rightly or wrongly.

[Rochelle]

WW was right in saying, " this old chestnut again".  This topic in it's many, many, many varying forms comes up every so often like the national park geyser. 

It really should be locked by now and it's becoming circular and repetitive.   (there really is plenty in the archives for anyone who can use a search bar)

Wasn't it Gordon Bennett who raised it last too?

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=246227.msg2516627#msg2516627

The same old point that "sex work " is different to other legislation protected work seems to get lost in the fog of emotionally fuelled debate.  It is the woman's choice

and the law does not have a place in forcing her to accept a dick she doesn't want.  Now maybe a massage service is a different matter and many of the points raised

would apply then.   So I guess in this sense, "sex work" can never be a "proper job" Imagine if the law forced all punters punts had to reflect the racial make up of the

UK....ludicrous!  Your money, your choice!  Her noonie, her choice,

even if racism is the driving factor in her decision or not.   Sainsbury's cannot state, "due to a bad experience, black lads are not allowed in"  but an SP can and rightly

so, it is beyond legal challenge......rightly or wrongly.

[daviemac]

It really should be locked by now and it's becoming circular and repetitive.   (there really is plenty in the archives for anyone who can use a search bar)

I don't know how many times this has to be said, if a thread is of no interest to you don't read it. What is the point of posting on it to complain about it, that in itself keeps it going.   

Threads do not get locked just because some members don't like it.

[Rochelle]

I don't know how many times this has to be said, if a thread is of no interest to you don't read it. What is the point of posting on it to complain about it, that in itself keeps it going.   

Threads do not get locked just because some members don't like it.

We don't agree on much but LIKE for this post.

[Lou2019]

there seems to be little understanding about the difference between attracted to and fetishing they are very very different things

[David1970]

She is discriminating based on some ones race, that’s is simply racists.

[Rochelle]

She is discriminating based on some ones race, that’s is simply racists.

[Rochelle]

I'm not racist but I'm definitely accent-ist.

[bhudda]

I asked before and you didnt respond ... what is your definition of racism? While i accept that no woman should ever be forced to shag someone against her will ... and however ignorant the lass may be that overides any obligation decent sensible folk have to not be racist ... simply stating that you will not deal with any black man under any circumstances is racist ... no ifs no buts.

[hullad]

It's okay with me 

It's upto the girl and her choice, she has every right to pick her clients.

On a side note she is awfully thin looking and the price is obviously putting guys off as she can't be getting many at £300 an hour.

[Gordon Bennett]

In law, I suspect the Human Rights Act would weigh heavily in favour of the sex worker and trump any of the equality and discrimination laws the aggrieved punter might rely on to prove they were discriminated against. That's just my uninformed opinion though, it will remain a vexed issue until an activist punter takes an escort to court to test the law...... any UKPers feeling particularly militant on the issue??????

[David1970]

I'm not racist but I'm definitely accent-ist.

You are a racist, you believe it is correct to treat people differently because of their race.

Why do racists always say, “ I not racist but” or “some of my best friends are black but“ we all now what is said before but is untrue.

[daviemac]

You are a racist, you believe it is correct to treat people differently because of their race.

What a load of bollocks. As far as any intimate issues are concerned I treat people very differently. I do not want to be intimate with a gay person, doesn't mean I'm homophobic, I don't want to have sex with women over a certain age, doesn't mean I ageist. I don't want to be in any way intimate with people of certain races and that does not mean I am in any way a racist.

I treat all people as my equal, I will be friends with any of those mentioned above, I will happily be in their company, I will socialise with them at any time. I just don't want intimate physical contact with them.

No doubt some escorts will be racist as will some punters, but as long as the only issue anyone has with someone of a different race is that they don't want to be physical with them and they treat them no differently in all other respects then they are not racist.

One person cannot be forced to commit a serious crime in order for another to act within the law. All women have the right to say no to sex and cannot be forced into it.



 

[tynetunnel]

What a load of bollocks. As far as any intimate issues are concerned I treat people very differently. I do not want to be intimate with a gay person, doesn't mean I'm homophobic, I don't want to have sex with women over a certain age, doesn't mean I ageist. I don't want to be in any way intimate with people of certain races and that does not mean I am in any way a racist.

I treat all people as my equal, I will be friends with any of those mentioned above, I will happily be in their company, I will socialise with them at any time. I just don't want intimate physical contact with them.

No doubt some escorts will be racist as will some punters, but as long as the only issue anyone has with someone of a different race is that they don't want to be physical with them and they treat them no differently in all other respects then they are not racist.

One person cannot be forced to commit a serious crime in order for another to act within the law. All women have the right to say no to sex and cannot be forced into it.

Agreed 

[ratedj]

You are a racist, you believe it is correct to treat people differently because of their race.

Why do racists always say, “ I not racist but” or “some of my best friends are black but“ we all now what is said before but is untrue.

I shouldn't laugh, but 

[Steely Dan]

You are a racist, you believe it is correct to treat people differently because of their race.

Why do racists always say, “ I not racist but” or “some of my best friends are black but“ we all now what is said before but is untrue.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=67600.0

You called a whole family 'Gypo'?  Really?

[daviemac]

You are a racist, you believe it is correct to treat people differently because of their race.

Why do racists always say, “ I not racist but” or “some of my best friends are black but“ we all now what is said before but is untrue.

I think you owe someone an apology because what you posted was racist you hypocritical twat.

[RedKettle]

The twist on this one is also that she is white saying no whites. Can you be racist when talking about your own race?

It is like a black comedian who gets away with jokes about his community that a white comedian would be condemned for.

[RedKettle]

What a load of bollocks. As far as any intimate issues are concerned I treat people very differently. I do not want to be intimate with a gay person, doesn't mean I'm homophobic, I don't want to have sex with women over a certain age, doesn't mean I ageist. I don't want to be in any way intimate with people of certain races and that does not mean I am in any way a racist.

I treat all people as my equal, I will be friends with any of those mentioned above, I will happily be in their company, I will socialise with them at any time. I just don't want intimate physical contact with them.

No doubt some escorts will be racist as will some punters, but as long as the only issue anyone has with someone of a different race is that they don't want to be physical with them and they treat them no differently in all other respects then they are not racist.

One person cannot be forced to commit a serious crime in order for another to act within the law. All women have the right to say no to sex and cannot be forced into it.

I agree with that and it has been useful reading this thread. I have actually changed my view on this issue generally.

[cotton]

Yeh not everything constitutes racism.  Personally i dont find black chiks attractive but that dosnt mean im racist anymore more than if a white person dosnt like Indian food that dosnt make him racist against Indians.  Its ok to be discerning and have personal taste regarding things that are racially defined without necessarily being racist perse. 

[smiths]

Finally, someone who gets what I'm saying.

I got what you were posting but didn't agree with it and explained why from my point of view.

[smiths]

WW was right in saying, " this old chestnut again".  This topic in it's many, many, many varying forms comes up every so often like the national park geyser. 

It really should be locked by now and it's becoming circular and repetitive.   (there really is plenty in the archives for anyone who can use a search bar)

Wasn't it Gordon Bennett who raised it last too?

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=246227.msg2516627#msg2516627

The same old point that "sex work " is different to other legislation protected work seems to get lost in the fog of emotionally fuelled debate.  It is the woman's choice

and the law does not have a place in forcing her to accept a dick she doesn't want.  Now maybe a massage service is a different matter and many of the points raised

would apply then.   So I guess in this sense, "sex work" can never be a "proper job" Imagine if the law forced all punters punts had to reflect the racial make up of the

UK....ludicrous!  Your money, your choice!  Her noonie, her choice,

even if racism is the driving factor in her decision or not.   Sainsbury's cannot state, "due to a bad experience, black lads are not allowed in"  but an SP can and rightly

so, it is beyond legal challenge......rightly or wrongly.

Its got fuck all to do with you what gets locked on here, you aren't admin or a mod, why do you people, that's the narrow minded, want to close down the debate of other posters on things that don't break UKP rules. To sum up I will post what suits me NOT you, fucking control freak.

[Rochelle]

Yeh not everything constitutes racism.  Personally i dont find black chiks attractive but that dosnt mean im racist anymore more than if a white person dosnt like Indian food that dosnt make him racist against Indians.  Its ok to be discerning and have personal taste regarding things that are racially defined without necessarily being racist perse.

You racist!

[Gambitman92]

People need to learn the difference between black and "bbc", she wants attractive black men that are hung only, most black men wouldn't qualify  plus at £300 with her looks, I doubt most people would be interested but more power to her.

It IS racist to exclude say ALL black punters, what the WG is doing in that scenario is viewing ALL black punters as the same when in reality they are unique individuals. The usual reason such WGs give if any reason is because of a bad experience in the past with a black punter, well black punters aren't all the same bloke are they.

However, its always got to be a WGs choice who she sees and doesn't see, you cant make a WG working of her own free will see someone she doesn't want to. No doubt most of these same WGs have had bad experiences with some white punters but don't exclude ALL white punters as they know that could lead to a severe lack of punters booking them. They may think they can exclude ALL black punters without it leading to a lack of punters overall.

What you're saying does make sense, but when it comes to punting I don't see it as racist personally, I made the post below in a different thread. One of friends recently became a wg, she doesn't see black men even though she's been with a few in her personal life including me years ago, she isn't racist.

I am black and I never felt judged or offended. When I first started punting last year I did see that on a couple of profiles, I was a bit confused but I understood why they did it based on their bad experiences and what the girls I've punted told me about all the sexual assaults, robberies & aggression they and their friends have experienced. All my reviews are positive, all white EE girls, some have put on their profiles "no black guys" months after I punted with them but they're still fine with seeing me and other black regulars.

Most black punters are good people but if one group is doing more bad than the other and that one group is less than 5% of a WGs base then of course you're going to not see them anymore.

It happens to different races with different girls, I've seen some girls say white, black & mixed race men only, a lot of EE girls don't see EE guys, Emilia who I reviewed doesn't see Turkish men. Some WGs like Emily doesn't see over 50s, I just saw a profile yesterday (which I will try and link) say no overweight men.

It isn't a big deal, I always mention my race when I first message a girl, most girls see black guys, I just skip the ones that don't.

Yeh not everything constitutes racism.  Personally i dont find black chiks attractive but that dosnt mean im racist anymore more than if a white person dosnt like Indian food that dosnt make him racist against Indians.  Its ok to be discerning and have personal taste regarding things that are racially defined without necessarily being racist perse.

I don't think it's racist, but it is stupid imo. You're saying you don't find black women attractive, all of them? There are millions of them, different looks, sizes & shapes. Your choice of course but I couldn't turn down an entire race, being good looking with big tits, a small waist & a bubble butt is not exclusive to any race.

Lastly, wgs who turn away black punters aren't doing it because of attraction (if they were then 95% of punters wouldn't be seen), they're doing it mostly from bad experiences (sexual assault, theft, trying to get discounts etc), it's a business move.

[Rochelle]

Lastly, wgs who turn away black punters aren't doing it because of attraction (if they were then 95% of punters wouldn't be seen), they're doing it mostly from bad experiences (sexual assault, theft, trying to get discounts etc), it's a business move.

This is what I would call racist.

[Brumish]

Isn't punting a form of leisure activity with personal choice and therefore, you're not necessarily protected from 'discrimination' per say? It is quite different to being at work/education, public services or as a consumer.

[Colston36]

Blimey! This one's a turn up for the books........ Only sees black men!

Obviously been previous threads and discussions about the ladies who "don't see black mans"  but this one has turned things on their head.

I'd like to feign outrage and dismay at her not letting me, a white man, see her but she's not really my type. Is she anyone's though?????

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I think everyone has the right to say who they'll have sex with, but to me she looks a bit of a woofer, and rather expensive too.

[Ali Katt]

Coincidentally I've not heard of a parlour refusing Black or Asian punters. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I know when I used to visit them there's been a few times I was the only white guy there.

[Rochelle]

Coincidentally I've not heard of a parlour refusing Black or Asian punters. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I know when I used to visit them there's been a few times I was the only white guy there.

You're white? I assumed black for some reason.

[DylzzCee]

She can of course see who she likes, I find her profile to be very weird. Something about fetishing people like that doesn’t sit right with me.

[DylzzCee]

I'm not racist but I'm definitely accent-ist.

Disgusting discrimination there 

[bushman]

Coincidentally I've not heard of a parlour refusing Black or Asian punters. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I know when I used to visit them there's been a few times I was the only white guy there.

I assume girls working in a parlour would know the score. If you want to "screen" who you have sex with then don't work in a parlour- simples.

[Payyourwaymate]

Coincidentally I've not heard of a parlour refusing Black or Asian punters. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I know when I used to visit them there's been a few times I was the only white guy there.

I think with most parlours/brothels, money comes first and not preferences. Perhaps that may be due to management and not the WGs themselves having more of a say to make sure the money comes in, just an assumption on my part  . 

[Ali Katt]

You're white? I assumed black for some reason.

funniest thing I've read all month.

[Ali Katt]

I assume girls working in a parlour would know the score. If you want to "screen" who you have sex with then don't work in a parlour- simples.

Must be the case. Never seen anyone refused, but I've never seen drunk people in a parlour or someone being abusive.

[lovemachine]

Maybe she has read this thread as she is now down to £200/hour, still more reduction needed to get me to visit though.

[davidgood]

Maybe she has read this thread as she is now down to £200/hour, still more reduction needed to get me to visit though.

I think it is more likely that her boyfriend is reading this and has tweeked her price. I see she has a new name.

Regards,

davidgood

[Gambitman92]

Maybe she has read this thread as she is now down to £200/hour, still more reduction needed to get me to visit though.

Have you read the "bbc only escort" tab? Even if she lowered the price, she won't see you unless you fit what she's looking for.

After looking at her profile again, it looks like she's mainly a fetish cam/phone chat model who only escorts if it's with men she's into. Fair enough imo, I know a girl like that, she sometimes escorts on the side but only with a certain type of men.

A lot of girls can not and will not sleep with a man they doesn't find attractive, sometimes the money isn't worth it.

[winkywanky]

funniest thing I've read all month.

I was thinking mixed race, surely that's what your avatar would suggest Ali? 

[winkywanky]

I think it is more likely that her boyfriend is reading this and has tweeked her price. I see she has a new name.

Regards,

davidgood

Yep, get a new name, put your price down and hope no-one notices