Stinky Rebellion

[jeanphillipe]

Im sure a lot on here  have been irked by the extinction rebellion lot, maybe some of you support them. They made me late to appts on 2 occasion by blocking traffic stops..

However their latest antic gave me a chuckle..

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[winkywanky]

Ironically, you could only read about it in The Guardian of course  .

[Happylad]

I always think it such an odd way to save the planet and its inhabitants - by deliberately breaking all the recommendations made for limiting the spread of a serious disease capable of wiping out many of those inhabitants and making the lives of the remainder less pleasant.
  I suspect that most of the `protesters` have little or no idea of what they are really protesting about or why, but simply like to make a nuisance of themselves and inconvenience as many  other people as possible.

[bhudda]

I always think it such an odd way to save the planet and its inhabitants - by deliberately breaking all the recommendations made for limiting the spread of a serious disease capable of wiping out many of those inhabitants and making the lives of the remainder less pleasant.
  I suspect that most of the `protesters` have little or no idea of what they are really protesting about or why, but simply like to make a nuisance of themselves and inconvenience as many  other people as possible.

One of the quickest and easiest ways of protecting the planet would be to wipe out half the people on it ... maybe they arent as daft as you think.

[NIK]

Wish the fruit loops would become extinct.
Am I the only one to find environmental issues boring?
Always have done I am afraid. Just can’t get worked up about them.

[Gordon Bennett]

I saw a video news clip the other day of them being carted off by the police. Very weird scene....... a succession of 40-something librarians and geography teachers quietly getting lifted up by 4 Bobbies, one holding each limb, and slowly carried off. I thought what a pigging waste of everyone's time.

[winkywanky]

Wish the fruit loops would become extinct.
Am I the only one to find environmental issues boring?
Always have done I am afraid. Just can’t get worked up about them.

That may well be because you'll be dead before the Climatic shit really hits the fan, which is perhaps a tad selfish Nik?

There is of course a way to go about things though (hysteria never helps), we are moving in the right direction now and in the UK over the last year around 40% of our electricity came from renewables.

Surely you can at least feel a little warm and fuzzy over that? Perhaps all the little snowflakes might not melt after all? I feel sure that makes you happy really  .

[S.X. MacHine]

Look, I’m as environmentally conscious as the next punter (I knit my own vegan condoms) but, FFS, the antics of these post corbynite comedians is not going to save the planet. Only joint action by the world’s leading powers can do that. It is worth noting that the UK’s emissions from power generation have been coming down fast of late. There’s hardly a coal mine left.
In other good news, the sale of EVs has gone up considerably in an otherwise declining car market.

[lostandfound]

Look, I’m as environmentally conscious as the next punter (I knit my own vegan condoms) but, FFS, the antics of these post corbynite comedians is not going to save the planet. Only joint action by the world’s leading powers can do that. It is worth noting that the UK’s emissions from power generation have been coming down fast of late. There’s hardly a coal mine left.
In other good news, the sale of EVs has gone up considerably in an otherwise declining car market.

And the only 3 car companies profitable so far during Covid are Tesla, Toyota - and Porsche!

[king tarzan]

I always think it such an odd way to save the planet and its inhabitants - by deliberately breaking all the recommendations made for limiting the spread of a serious disease capable of wiping out many of those inhabitants and making the lives of the remainder less pleasant.
  I suspect that most of the `protesters` have little or no idea of what they are really protesting about or why, but simply like to make a nuisance of themselves and inconvenience as many  other people as possible.

we need boris to have a bit of the Donald courage

[NIK]

That may well be because you'll be dead before the Climatic shit really hits the fan, which is perhaps a tad selfish Nik?

There is of course a way to go about things though (hysteria never helps), we are moving in the right direction now and in the UK over the last year around 40% of our electricity came from renewables.

Surely you can at least feel a little warm and fuzzy over that? Perhaps all the little snowflakes might not melt after all? I feel sure that makes you happy really  .

Probably.

I always remember my old man saying our ancestors never bothered about future generations whenever environmental issues came up, and that was a long time ago as he’s been dead 37 years.

As for being selfish, yes I am, because the only one who cares about me is me.
Most people are selfish when it really comes down to it, but they rarely admit it. At least I am honest.

[Animalbeast]

One of the quickest and easiest ways of protecting the planet would be to wipe out half the people on it ... maybe they arent as daft as you think.

Thanos?

[MilleMiglia]

Im sure a lot on here  have been irked by the extinction rebellion lot, maybe some of you support them. They made me late to appts on 2 occasion by blocking traffic stops..

However their latest antic gave me a chuckle..

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No Telegraph yesterday (the Express looked to be missing as well), so I was denied my little crumb of sanity, namely sitting in a (socially distanced) cafe and reading my usual paper.

[NIK]

No Telegraph yesterday (the Express looked to be missing as well), so I was denied my little crumb of sanity, namely sitting in a (socially distanced) cafe and reading my usual paper.

I hate to think what the Express will have said about them! It's a toss up who they hate more - Extinction twats or the BBC.
Although I did see the Express on the newstands yesterday.

[Happylad]

No Telegraph yesterday (the Express looked to be missing as well), so I was denied my little crumb of sanity, namely sitting in a (socially distanced) cafe and reading my usual paper.

The Telegraph very kindly put the whole of their Friday edition on line free of charge

[winkywanky]

Probably.

I always remember my old man saying our ancestors never bothered about future generations whenever environmental issues came up, and that was a long time ago as he’s been dead 37 years.

As for being selfish, yes I am, because the only one who cares about me is me.
Most people are selfish when it really comes down to it, but they rarely admit it. At least I am honest.

Well it used to be about litter and giant oilslicks. Which are important in themselves of course.

But now it's about the possibility of the Climate going completely doolally with completely devastating results which might mean the end of civilisation as we know it.

It's a bit different.

[Marmalade]

I can not see any coherent policy they advocate beyond panic. 

What right minded person can disagree with the science, or for that matter just observing, that climate change is happening: and what right minded person, or scientist for that matter, can disagree with the fact that it is not reversible.

Panic is only useful if it inspires one to calm, collected, rational action. Indonesia, for example, is moving its god-forsaken shit-hole of a so-called 'capital' away from the seafront where it would eventually get washed away. A bit more sensible than sandbags methinks.

The Rt. Hon. Ms Diane Bigbott likened them to suffragettes. I'm pleased we gave women the right to vote.
Perhaps we could give the extinctioners the right to extinguish themselves before the planet does it for them?
Or just throw sandbags at each other -- preferably in a place a long way out of harm's way...

[winkywanky]

I don't think anyone is saying that climate change can be reversed.

Simply that if we stop piling more crap into the atmosphere (CO2 mainly) then we might flatten the effects such that we don't reach some tipping point where the climate of the world goes bananas, and there's a large rise in sea level which would devastate mankind.

Those are things that could possibly happen within 50-60yrs.

Even if no-one knows nuffink for sure, it's certainly worth trying.

By the way, I'm not panicking (perhaps mainly because I won't be around then).

[king tarzan]

Lots of them seem to need a bar of soap and plenty of water and clean clothes.. 

[David1970]

Lots of them seem to need a bar of soap and plenty of water and clean clothes.. 

Probably not true, most of them seem to middle class twats or lovelies from the arts.

[scutty brown]

very bored looking copper guarding the gate of the Knowsley site today
are they expecting a second round?

[Malvolio]

I don't think anyone is saying that climate change can be reversed.

Simply that if we stop piling more crap into the atmosphere (CO2 mainly) then we might flatten the effects such that we don't reach some tipping point where the climate of the world goes bananas, and there's a large rise in sea level which would devastate mankind.

Those are things that could possibly happen within 50-60yrs.

Even if no-one knows nuffink for sure, it's certainly worth trying.

By the way, I'm not panicking (perhaps mainly because I won't be around then).

The question is whether someone can come up with an efficient way to extract CO2 from the atmosphere (that's a bit quicker than planting trees)?  If so then climate change will certainly be reversible.

I don't think a large rise in sea-level (two metres by 2100) would devastate mankind - it happens over a long period of time and humans are extremely adaptable.  Antarctica could become inhabitable and provide room for hundreds of millions to live.

[JontyR]

Aren't they simply trying to change the agenda by civil disobedience?

The impact on us may be different but in terms of method and aims it doesn't seem to be that much different to Gandhi to be honest.

[A Decent Fist]

What right minded person can disagree with the science

I can vehemently disagree – and I do. Delve into it with an open mind and you will find that the "science" has been carefully cherry-picked and exaggerated to steer it in the direction that warmists wish everyone to believe and go into a panic about.

Then try to find anyone at all in the climate change industry – scientist, activist, local government co-ordinator – to whom neither of the following applies:

1. Their job would not exist if evidence contradicting the "science" were accepted.

2. Their eco-lunacy is part of a fervent wish to dismantle the capitalist system. The very system that has enabled the world's leading nations to prosper and provide comfortable lives for a majority of their citizens. The word for these people is "watermelons": green on the outside, red on the inside.

There won't be many of the climate change hierarchy left after that filtration process.

Extinction Rebellion protests should be met with water cannons turned up to 11. This is a war for survival and the people with common sense and perspective are losing because the people we elect are too scared to hit back hard enough.

[king tarzan]

I can vehemently disagree – and I do. Delve into it with an open mind and you will find that the "science" has been carefully cherry-picked and exaggerated to steer it in the direction that warmists wish everyone to believe and go into a panic about.

Then try to find anyone at all in the climate change industry – scientist, activist, local government co-ordinator – to whom neither of the following applies:

1. Their job would not exist if evidence contradicting the "science" were accepted.

2. Their eco-lunacy is part of a fervent wish to dismantle the capitalist system. The very system that has enabled the world's leading nations to prosper and provide comfortable lives for a majority of their citizens. The word for these people is "watermelons": green on the outside, red on the inside.

There won't be many of the climate change hierarchy left after that filtration process.

Extinction Rebellion protests should be met with water cannons turned up to 11. This is a war for survival and the people with common sense and perspective are losing because the people we elect are too scared to hit back hard enough.

climate change have been extremely silent...hmmmm?

[bhudda]

I can vehemently disagree – and I do. Delve into it with an open mind and you will find that the "science" has been carefully cherry-picked and exaggerated to steer it in the direction that warmists wish everyone to believe and go into a panic about.

Then try to find anyone at all in the climate change industry – scientist, activist, local government co-ordinator – to whom neither of the following applies:

1. Their job would not exist if evidence contradicting the "science" were accepted.

2. Their eco-lunacy is part of a fervent wish to dismantle the capitalist system. The very system that has enabled the world's leading nations to prosper and provide comfortable lives for a majority of their citizens. The word for these people is "watermelons": green on the outside, red on the inside.

There won't be many of the climate change hierarchy left after that filtration process.

Extinction Rebellion protests should be met with water cannons turned up to 11. This is a war for survival and the people with common sense and perspective are losing because the people we elect are too scared to hit back hard enough.

He did say what right minded person can disagree ...

[RedKettle]

He did say what right minded person can disagree ...

 

[sparkus]

It's obvious we're heading towards climate catastrophe if we don't change our behaviours and I've no problem with doing whatever's needed to avert that, even if it means flying less, changing car and consuming less (unless it means punting less, then fuck you).  But I don't think XR are the right people to either encourage responsible consumption or persuade politicians to bring about that change.

To me it just looks like a bandwagon of incoherent middle class twats, many of whom are using it as a spot of mid-life crisis existential angst therapy or just childish rebellious gesturism.

[winkywanky]

The question is whether someone can come up with an efficient way to extract CO2 from the atmosphere (that's a bit quicker than planting trees)?  If so then climate change will certainly be reversible.

I don't think a large rise in sea-level (two metres by 2100) would devastate mankind - it happens over a long period of time and humans are extremely adaptable.  Antarctica could become inhabitable and provide room for hundreds of millions to live.

No.

The human element to climate change can be reversed. The Earth is warming anyway as part of a natural cycle. We are making it worse though.

2m is a lot. Some parts of the world will suffer greatly and be unable to deal with it.

[winkywanky]

I'm pretty sure that's the case?

[sparkus]

No.

The human element to climate change can be reversed. The Earth is warming anyway as part of a natural cycle. We are making it worse though.

2m is a lot. Some parts of the world will suffer greatly and be unable to deal with it.

I'd love to see someone politely explain to four person households in Brentwood that unless they reduce the number of 4x4s on their drive (i.e. get by with just the one) and even change to smaller EVs, then delta communities (many of which are metropolitan eg. Dhaka) in the global south are likely to be wiped out in a generation.  The response would probably be abusive.

[Marmalade]

The question is whether someone can come up with an efficient way to extract CO2 from the atmosphere (that's a bit quicker than planting trees)?  If so then climate change will certainly be reversible.

I think the figures suggest it can be slowed down a bit, not reversed. And also although one could theoretically with a very large political miracle or two get some of the world to reduce their footprint substantially (eg everyone going vegetarian and eliminating air travel completely, the two biggies), it would be unpalatable to most of the people living in the here and now.

Lots of little things might "help" but infinitesimally -- while making much moolah for businesses and some virtue signalling while avoid constructive measures to live with the inevitable, such as getting people out of low-lying land, building technology for a future world WITH climate change. Denying the inevitable doesn't help. As with coronavirus, people will bewail that the govt "wasn't prepared".

There is some excellent science behind the seemingly bonkers idea proposed by Cummings -- seriously, read up on it -- about massive CO2 extractors to extract from the atmosphere. The tabloids had a wee field day ridiculing it.

Just my opinions. Forgotten how controversial it is so will leave it at that for others to argue over. 

[winkywanky]

I'd love to see someone politely explain to four person households in Brentwood that unless they reduce the number of 4x4s on their drive (i.e. get by with just the one) and even change to smaller EVs, then delta communities (many of which are metropolitan eg. Dhaka) in the global south are likely to be wiped out in a generation.  The response would probably be abusive.

They don't give a shit. They saw some Footballer or Facebook-Influencing-Arsehole driving one so they gotta have it. 

There are literally millions and millions of people all over the world who have no real chance of 'escaping to higher ground' or building some massive and massively expensive coastal protection which will guard against even a relatively small rise in sea level. 2m would cause significant catastrophe.

At home in East Anglia and across the water in the Netherlands, in our relatively rich societies we'll probably be able to deal with this shit with huge excavations on the coastline and enormous pumping infrastructure. That simply will not be an option for many countries.

[lostandfound]

People will argue about climate change and the causes of it until the cows come home.

The arguments seem moot to me. Technology is making it increasingly possible to reduce emissions, and there is an increasing appetite for it to happen, and so it will.

I believe it will be successfully tackled in a number of different ways, but technology will be a key enabler and it's the easiest route to change - much easier than getting people to change their behaviour.

[NIK]

As much as they push them bloody bikes will never replace the motor vehicle which is 1000 times more convenient. The car has been invented and won't be uninvented. Many people aren't capable of riding a bike owing to physical limitations. Then there are those for whom it isn't practical. My business involves multiple locations and taking equipment. It is not possible to lug it around on a bike and get to these multiple destinations (public transport is equally impractical for these reasons). Similarly, how do you bring home a big shop by bike?

Bikes are only practical for leisure and fitness or travelling to work if you don't have to take much. They will never take the place of cars and it is time they stopped trying to pretend they can.

[winkywanky]

As much as they push them bloody bikes will never replace the motor vehicle which is 1000 times more convenient. The car has been invented and won't be uninvented. Many people aren't capable of riding a bike owing to physical limitations. Then there are those for whom it isn't practical. My business involves multiple locations and taking equipment. It is not possible to lug it around on a bike and get to these multiple destinations (public transport is equally impractical for these reasons). Similarly, how do you bring home a big shop by bike?

Bikes are only practical for leisure and fitness or travelling to work if you don't have to take much. They will never take the place of cars and it is time they stopped trying to pretend they can.

Cars per se aren't a problem. It's the means of propulsion. Fossil fuels need to be got rid of as much as possible.

Hence the move to electric, where the power needed can be generated in a much better and cleaner way.

Other options too, like Hydrogen.

And even the Fred Flintstone option. Yabba-Dabba-Doo!  .

[sparkus]

They don't give a shit. They saw some Footballer or Facebook-Influencing-Arsehole driving one so they gotta have it. 

There are literally millions and millions of people all over the world who have no real chance of 'escaping to higher ground' or building some massive and massively expensive coastal protection which will guard against even a relatively small rise in sea level. 2m would cause significant catastrophe.

At home in East Anglia and across the water in the Netherlands, in our relatively rich societies we'll probably be able to deal with this shit with huge excavations on the coastline and enormous pumping infrastructure. That simply will not be an option for many countries.

In which case, we need to get celebs endorsing more eco modes of travel and make Chelsea tractors unfashionable

Good luck trying to convince a Hackney yoot to not aspire to an Overfinch with a champagne bucket though.

[NightKid]

It's obvious we're heading towards climate catastrophe if we don't change our behaviours and I've no problem with doing whatever's needed to avert that, even if it means flying less, changing car and consuming less (unless it means punting less, then fuck you).  But I don't think XR are the right people to either encourage responsible consumption or persuade politicians to bring about that change.

To me it just looks like a bandwagon of incoherent middle class twats, many of whom are using it as a spot of mid-life crisis existential angst therapy or just childish rebellious gesturism.

This.

And even the Fred Flintstone option. Yabba-Dabba-Doo!  .

Someone's clearly been perusing the mangoman's scrawlings again. 

[sparkus]

Have you considered your own punting carbon footprint (or cockprint, even)?

Think about it:

- electricity consumption by men looking up WGs on the net, plus the electricity required to power the AW etc servers
- CO2 emissions from all those WGs flying to the UK from Brazil, China etc.

See you on the barricades?

[winkywanky]

In which case, we need to get celebs endorsing more eco modes of travel and make Chelsea tractors unfashionable

Good luck trying to convince a Hackney yoot to not aspire to an Overfinch with a champagne bucket though.

Issuing an edict such that all registration plates have to adhere strictly to the Law, with confiscation and crushing of the vehicle as punishment, would surely rid the roads of these wankers overnight? 

[Digby232]

Covid comes and it was fuck climate change. Use your own car not public transport , don’t matter about the extra pollution. Supermarkets can use millions of thin plastic bags to do all those extra home deliveries etc.?

[winkywanky]

Covid comes and it was fuck climate change. Use your own car not public transport , don’t matter about the extra pollution. Supermarkets can use millions of thin plastic bags to do all those extra home deliveries etc.?

Oh, was it? Really?

Perhaps more a case of necessary short term measures because the's a dangerous virus around  .

It's an acute, (hopefully) short term issue which needs prioritising and dealing with.

[GreyDave]

Have you considered your own punting carbon footprint (or cockprint, even)?

Think about it:

- electricity consumption by men looking up WGs on the net, plus the electricity required to power the AW etc servers
- CO2 emissions from all those WGs flying to the UK from Brazil, China etc.

See you on the barricades?

I have    I rigged up a dynamo to my arm furious wanking allows me green browsing of all said WG`s the difficult thing is often it pops and that foils the plan

[bhudda]

Have you considered your own punting carbon footprint (or cockprint, even)?

Think about it:

- electricity consumption by men looking up WGs on the net, plus the electricity required to power the AW etc servers
- CO2 emissions from all those WGs flying to the UK from Brazil, China etc.

See you on the barricades?

allowing for the fact your post is tongue in cheek, but on a slightly more serious note Pureplanet (I'm sure there are others as well) provide gas and electricity which is carbon neutral. The electricity is from renewable sources, the gas is offset somehow (I'm not fanatical about finding out how). So I can watch porn with the heating on with a clear conscience. I do occasionally get emails from comparison websites telling me I can save £1.20 a week if I switch to another provider but I manage to live with that.   

[lostandfound]

Pretty much everyone is hypocritical when it comes to their own carbon footprint.

For example whenever I see Saint Attenborough in the news banging on about climate change and the need to ban all but electric vehicles asap I think of his massive carbon footprint as he flies around the world with a production crew following him.

And UK electric is increasingly from renewables - still a lot of gas burning but much improved since a few years ago, and I expect will be increasingly from renewables.

[winkywanky]

Pretty much everyone is hypocritical when it comes to their own carbon footprint.

For example whenever I see Saint Attenborough in the news banging on about climate change and the need to ban all but electric vehicles asap I think of his massive carbon footprint as he flies around the world with a production crew following him.

And UK electric is increasingly from renewables - still a lot of gas burning but much improved since a few years ago, and I expect will be increasingly from renewables.

Is that not a simplistic argument?

If he presented his shows from his front room they wouldn't have quite the same impact would they? People are much more likely to sit up and take notice if he actually reports from where the issues are.

To think he's simply on some kind of big jolly all the time is rather off the mark.

[lostandfound]

Is that not a simplistic argument?

If he presented his shows from his front room they wouldn't have quite the same impact would they? People are much more likely to sit up and take notice if he actually reports from where the issues are.

To think he's simply on some kind of big jolly all the time is rather off the mark.

I disagree - in my view it is exactly on the mark. Everyone thinks it is somehow on other people to modify their behaviour. Most of the public figures who lecture the rest of us on the need to change our behaviour have massive carbon footprints compared to the members of Joe Public who they are lecturing.

[sparkus]

allowing for the fact your post is tongue in cheek, but on a slightly more serious note Pureplanet (I'm sure there are others as well) provide gas and electricity which is carbon neutral. The electricity is from renewable sources, the gas is offset somehow (I'm not fanatical about finding out how). So I can watch porn with the heating on with a clear conscience. I do occasionally get emails from comparison websites telling me I can save £1.20 a week if I switch to another provider but I manage to live with that.   

If I trek from east to west London in search of a good punt, then surely my carbon cockprint is bigger because of the fuel used in transport which can't be offset?

[bhudda]

If I trek from east to west London in search of a good punt, then surely my carbon cockprint is bigger because of the fuel used in transport which can't be offset?

Im not sure how your response is relevent to what i said but obviously if you move from a to b by any means other than walking bare foot then it is likely to increase your carbon foot print. I dont think anyone has ever suggested we should all spend the rest of our lives completely immobile though. But some choices are better than others.

[winkywanky]

I disagree - in my view it is exactly on the mark. Everyone thinks it is somehow on other people to modify their behaviour. Most of the public figures who lecture the rest of us on the need to change our behaviour have massive carbon footprints compared to the members of Joe Public who they are lecturing.

You're entitled to your opinion.

But think of any big news story, any, you really think there'd be the same impact and understanding if it was someone just reporting from a studio? With no local pictures? From a face you trust?

It doesn't work that way for the vast majority. Whatever you may or may not think of Attenborough, he is trusted by millions to tell a story, and he can tell that story a lot better by being there and showing real pictures.

That's not to be confused with celebs being on some jolly under the guise of 'reporting' what they find.