Dentists and covid

[winkywanky]

But at the time, taking out the nutcase enjoyed significant support in britain, and was voted on by all parties, blaming the americans for our own mistakes is just wrong.

There was coercion - which we should have resisted - from the US, for the UK to join forces with them.

Willie, did you ever see that BBC Question Time where John Bolton appeared by satellite link from the US? Someone in the audience asked him what would have happened had the UK not joined in with Iraq #2 and the look on his face and the innuendo in his voice, said it all. This was in the aftermath (I think) of the sexed-up dossier business. I was so angry, I was shouting at the TV. Bascially, Bolton was saying we never really had a choice as far as he was concerned, if we wanted any kind of meaningful relationship with the Bush administration thereafter.

Blair and Campbell gradually ramped up the rhetoric every time they were meaningfully questioned about going in, culminating in the ridiculous statement that 'Saddam could deploy nuclear capability within 45mins'. Complete bollocks, this was to do with reactive armour on their tanks. Similarly, the crock of shite which was their supposed stockpile of chemical weapons, which did not exist, we were told did not exist by respected UN observers, and was subsequently proven not to exist after the war was over.

As for parliament voting it through, well yes they did, but it's well known that opposition parties very rarely take an opposing view when the govt of the day have decided to go to war, that's the way it works. They'll question it before the decision is made, but then they'll always stand behind the govt. That's convention in British Parliament.

The blame for Iraq #2 lies squarely with Blair and Campbell sucking George Bush's cock, and my, what a bad taste it left  .

[king tarzan]

no one doubts that, just explaining saddams logic, and why he enjoyed majority support from his own citizens for an act that seemed inexplicable to outsiders.

In all this elite power struggle shit.. who gets hurt the most??
The poor people..very sad as it is nothing to do with them, and they are the one's who suffer the most.

[winkywanky]

Getting rid of him second time round and then unwittingly releasing  shit worldwide.. was not a smart move at all..

it is simple..

If there was still

Saddam Hussein there would be no Isis shit
Gaddafi there would be no migrant crossings


is something i will always firmly believe...

Absolutely correct, Mr Mango muncher.

That's US Foreign Policy for you, in reality they knew jackshit about Iraq and in general terms in the Middle East as a whole, their view is through the prism of Israel and little else.

Saddam and Gaddafi were both bastard tyrants, shitting on any dissent from their own people (like gassing whole villages) but when you get rid of them you leave a vacuum which allows local warring factions to take control. Al Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban etc. They're a bunch of fucking nutters, I feel sorry for the peoples under them but as has been said many times since, it's up to the people to rise up and deal with it. Play with the hornet's nest at your peril, and don't try to impose Western democracy on a bunch of superstitious and religious people whose broad views are back in the Middle Ages, along with the infighting of the various Islamic factions, Sunni and Shi-ite etc. And they all hate the Kurds. It won't work.

[winkywanky]

no one doubts that, just explaining saddams logic, and why he enjoyed majority support from his own citizens for an act that seemed inexplicable to outsiders.

willie, you said:

incidentally the invasion of kuwait was not that unreasonable, kuwait to iraq, is what cornwall is to england, or the isle of mull to scotland, that is iraq viewed kuwait as part of iraq, with some reason. i have read one book on the subject but in my experience thats an awful lot more than most people who sound off about iraq.

Of course it was fucking unreasonable 

[king tarzan]

Absolutely correct, Mr Mango muncher.

That's US Foreign Policy for you, in reality they knew jackshit about Iraq and in general terms in the Middle East as a whole, their view is through the prism of Israel and little else.

Saddam and Gaddafi were both bastard tyrants, shitting on any dissent from their own people (like gassing whole villages) but when you get rid of them you leave a vacuum which allows local warring factions to take control. Al Qaeda, ISIS, Taliban etc. They're a bunch of fucking nutters, I feel sorry for the peoples under them but as has been said many times since, it's up to the people to rise up and deal with it. Play with the hornet's nest at your peril, and don't try to impose Western democracy on a bunch of superstitious and religious people whose broad views are back in the Middle Ages, along with the infighting of the various Islamic factions, Sunni and Shi-ite etc. And they all hate the Kurds. It won't work.

Very knowledgeable on Muslim denominations and factions..

[willie loman]

lots of other countries thought it was a good idea at the time,and initially it went to plan, no one assumed that the war would have such a terrible denoument, it was widely held that we would get rid of saddam, and the nice iraqis would take over, if any one was lying it was the iraqi opposition who assured the west, that once the nutcase was gone, everything would be fine, its the iraqis slaughtering iraqis.  This perpetual vilification of blair and campbell is daft, support for intervention was widespread, on the perfectly reasonable basis,that he was a bad man, who had caused grief to his neighbours, he was the anti social tenant on the estate, that had to be taken out. its curious that you are keen on vigilante justice when it suits you.

[king tarzan]

lots of other countries thought it was a good idea at the time,and initially it went to plan, no one assumed that the war would have such a terrible denoument, it was widely held that we would get rid of saddam, and the nice iraqis would take over, if any one was lying it was the iraqi opposition who assured the west, that once the nutcase was gone, everything would be fine, its the iraqis slaughtering iraqis.  This perpetual vilification of blair and campbell is daft, support for intervention was widespread, on the perfectly reasonable basis,that he was a bad man, who had caused grief to his neighbours, he was the anti social tenant on the estate, that had to be taken out. its curious that you are keen on vigilante justice when it suits you.

European and Arab mentalities are completely different... leadership styles are completely different....
Deal with your own within your mentality and culture is what I believe in of rationality.
No need to interfere in something completely alien and outside our realms..

[willie loman]

willie, you said:

incidentally the invasion of kuwait was not that unreasonable, kuwait to iraq, is what cornwall is to england, or the isle of mull to scotland, that is iraq viewed kuwait as part of iraq, with some reason. i have read one book on the subject but in my experience thats an awful lot more than most people who sound off about iraq.

Of course it was fucking unreasonable 

Just read one book on the subject before commenting, you are retired you have the time.

[winkywanky]

lots of other countries thought it was a good idea at the time,and initially it went to plan, no one assumed that the war would have such a terrible denoument, it was widely held that we would get rid of saddam, and the nice iraqis would take over, if any one was lying it was the iraqi opposition who assured the west, that once the nutcase was gone, everything would be fine, its the iraqis slaughtering iraqis.  This perpetual vilification of blair and campbell is daft, support for intervention was widespread, on the perfectly reasonable basis,that he was a bad man, who had caused grief to his neighbours, he was the anti social tenant on the estate, that had to be taken out. its curious that you are keen on vigilante justice when it suits you.

Really? Would you like to list them?

There was wide general support for Iraq #1 because Saddam had invaded a sovereign country and jeopardised the world's oil supply, but Iraq #2? I seem to remember the French and the Germans being very reluctant...infact, weren't the UK the only ones to really join the US wholeheartedly? With actual troops on the ground? I think there may have been a little logistical support from elsewhere, but the fighting was pretty well all the US and us.

The vilification of Blair and Campbell is not daft, there was lots of scepticism from all opposition parties, the general public and even from within the Labour Party at the time. Like I said, every time something Blair said got challenged, he upped the ante with more and more dubious statements.

In reality, Blair had already pledged allegiance to Bush and just had to try and make the pieces fit, however ridiculous some of the things he was saying were as the logic for war was challenged.

I actually have a pretty good memory of this from the time, I'm not particularly a pacifist at all, but I could see exactly what was happening. It was complete bullshit.

The dossier was bollocks, it was sexed up, and we did go to war on a lie. The BBC got roundly shat on and we were all taken for a ride, and we're still dealing with the fallout now.

[winkywanky]

Just read one book on the subject before commenting, you are retired you have the time.

I LIVED THROUGH IT.

Were you not paying attention willie? Come on man, you must be around 60?

[willie loman]

I LIVED THROUGH IT.

Were you not paying attention willie? Come on man, you must be around 60?

of course you lived through it, as did i, but have you read one book about iraq, or saddam?

[willie loman]

The fact that the brits and the americans were the only ones fighting doesnt alter the fact that invasion of iraq enjoyed widespread support from many countries, the french have their reasons for having a different approach to the arab world world.

[willie loman]

I LIVED THROUGH IT.

Were you not paying attention willie? Come on man, you must be around 60?

You may not enjoy reading books without pictures, but a quick internet search,,will show you that quite a few countries were participants in the second iraq war.

[winkywanky]

of course you lived through it, as did i, but have you read one book about iraq, or saddam?

I don't need to read a book willie, I remember what happened because I was around as it all unfiolded, and followed it closely.

Apparently you've read a book on it and you think there was some justification for Iraq invading Kuwait.

[winkywanky]

The fact that the brits and the americans were the only ones fighting doesnt alter the fact that invasion of iraq enjoyed widespread support from many countries, the french have their reasons for having a different approach to the arab world world.

willie, that is total bollocks  .

Support for Iraq #2 apart from the UK, was very reluctant, begrudgingly given, and the very least possible without causing political upset.

A total contrast with Iraq #1.

The French were fully on-board with Iraq #1 because Iraq had invaded Kuwait. They knew Iraq #2 was a load of bollocks.

[winkywanky]

You may not enjoy reading books without pictures, but a quick internet search,,will show you that quite a few countries were participants in the second iraq war.

Oh willie, don't be a complete prick like you were at the start of Coronavirus 

[willie loman]

willie, that is total bollocks  .

Support for Iraq #2 apart from the UK, was very reluctant, begrudgingly given, and the very least possible without causing political upset.

A total contrast with Iraq #1.

The French were fully on-board with Iraq #1 because Iraq had invaded Kuwait. They knew Iraq #2 was a load of bollocks.

google is your friend.

[winkywanky]

Well you certainly aren't  .

Go on then, impress me with some carefully selected links from credible sources which back up exactly what you're saying.

[Doc Holliday]

Hidden Image/Members Only

[winkywanky]

WTF??!

    

[winkywanky]

Hi Doc, how you doing?

Are you going to arbitrate? 

[Doc Holliday]

Are you going to arbitrate? 

... the words cat hell and chance spring to mind 

[willie loman]

Oh willie, don't be a complete prick like you were at the start of Coronavirus 

if anyone was a prick at the start of coro it was you,, i predicted the country would swing from utter hysteria, to a realistic acceptance of risk, you are the one who talked about riots, people writhing in agony on pavements, open graves etc, breakdown in law and order etc,  I wonder what those panic buyers are thinking about these days, cupboards stacked with lloyd grossman tomatoe sauce, and inexplicably loo roll?

[winkywanky]

... the words cat hell and chance spring to mind 

  

[willie loman]

Well you certainly aren't  .

Go on then, impress me with some carefully selected links from credible sources which back up exactly what you're saying.

i am virtually computer illiterate, but it should take you all of 30 seconds to look up the subject.

[winkywanky]

if anyone was a prick at the start of coro it was you,, i predicted the country would swing from utter hysteria, to a realistic acceptance of risk, you are the one who talked about riots, people writhing in agony on pavements, open graves etc, breakdown in law and order etc,  I wonder what those panic buyers are thinking about these days, cupboards stacked with lloyd grossman tomatoe sauce, and inexplicably loo roll?

Waiting for those credible links willie.

You know, the ones that say stuff like: incidentally the invasion of kuwait was not that unreasonable, kuwait to iraq, is what cornwall is to england, or the isle of mull to scotland

[winkywanky]

i am virtually computer illiterate, but it should take you all of 30 seconds to look up the subject.

If you can talk utter shite on UKP, you can do a Google search.

[willie loman]

If you can talk utter shite on UKP, you can do a Google search.

I have done a google search, why dont you?

[willie loman]

Waiting for those credible links willie.

You know, the ones that say stuff like: incidentally the invasion of kuwait was not that unreasonable, kuwait to iraq, is what cornwall is to england, or the isle of mull to scotland

That is the historical/cultural background of the initial invasion, my suggestion of a google search refers to your astonishing claim that only britain and america were involved in the second war.

[gbyld87]

I'm in the same position two teeth that need t be extracted,and will need new bottom dentures

Have phone local dentist, to be told sorry cant take you, if you have toothache, go to the dental hospital

Interestingly I went for a checkup and hygienist visit today so not all dentists are turning non-essential bookings away...  Keep trying, but there's probably going to be a hell of a waiting list for new bookings right now.

[winkywanky]

That is the historical/cultural background of the initial invasion, my suggestion of a google search refers to your astonishing claim that only britain and america were involved in the second war.

willie, don't misquote me, I didn't say that.

I said any support they gave was very reluctant, and I think I'm right in saying they didn't supply troops on the ground.

Don't misquote me please, there's a good chap.

[willie loman]

willie, don't misquote me, I didn't say that.

I said any support they gave was very reluctant, and I think I'm right in saying they didn't supply troops on the ground.

Don't misquote me please, there's a good chap.

Fair enough , but over 40 countries gave open support, it was as you should remember, referred to as the"coalition of the willing" those wicked men Campbell and Blair were certainly busy.

[winkywanky]

Fair enough , but over 40 countries gave open support, it was as you should remember, referred to as the"coalition of the willing" those wicked men Campbell and Blair were certainly busy.

Really?

And who referred to it as that? 

Are you getting all this from Campbell's Diaries which were turned into a book?

That would explain a lot  .

[winkywanky]

Fair enough , but over 40 countries gave open support, it was as you should remember, referred to as the"coalition of the willing" those wicked men Campbell and Blair were certainly busy.

Hold on, you just agreed with me that the support was reluctant.

I'm getting very confused here.

[willie loman]

Really?

And who referred to it as that? 

Are you getting all this from Campbell's Diaries which were turned into a book?

That would explain a lot  .

From memory the phrase was coined by the americans, curious that you dont remember , it was first used by Bush, fils.

[willie loman]

Hold on, you just agreed with me that the support was reluctant.

I'm getting very confused here.

Where did i say that?

[winkywanky]

From memory the phrase was coined by the americans, curious that you dont remember , it was first used by Bush, fils.

Well of course they'd bloody well say that!

Can you not see they said that to justify an unjustifiable war? Jeez 

[winkywanky]

Where did i say that?

In your Reply #81.

Keep up willie!

[willie loman]

In your Reply #81.

Keep up willie!

You actually misread or misunderstood my reply, if anyone has a shaky grasp of this topic its you. anyway  good night.

[winkywanky]

 

[Xtro]

Well well.... What started out as a thread on dentists, this certainly got derailed.

Me? I'm too long in tooth to discuss war.      

[myothernameis]

Currently in discussion with my dentist about treatment, and possible extraction of three teeth.  From what I have read on the website, I will be referred to the nearest dental emergency centre

Contacting the dentist by email was the easy part, but going to the centre, will be a nightmare for me

[LLPunting]

Currently in discussion with my dentist about treatment, and possible extraction of three teeth.  From what I have read on the website, I will be referred to the nearest dental emergency centre

Contacting the dentist by email was the easy part, but going to the centre, will be a nightmare for me

You could take a chance at one of the teaching hospitals if you don't mind a few mishaps e.g. needles out through your cheek and novacaine squirting down your collar..

[winkywanky]

Plenty of hot female dental students though, no?

[LLPunting]

Plenty of hot female dental students though, no?

Possibly although the odds are slim and they will likely be wearing PPE so you'll have to be indulging a couple of kinks to get your jollies without her knowledge or informed participation.

[winkywanky]

...I dunno, the thought of a hot young female dental student wearing a gas mask and a tight dentist's tunic is probably even better than three shots of Novocaine  .

[willie loman]

...I dunno, the thought of a hot young female dental student wearing a gas mask and a tight dentist's tunic is probably even better than three shots of Novocaine  .

Had more than one experience of dentist  or hygienist pressing her breasts against my cheek while doing stuff in my mouth,male dentists dont seem to have that problem, same with hairdressers, anyone else been taken advantage of? We could form a support group.

[LLPunting]

Had more than one experience of dentist  or hygienist pressing her breasts against my cheek while doing stuff in my mouth,male dentists dont seem to have that problem, same with hairdressers, anyone else been taken advantage of? We could form a support group.

Were they busty?  Buttoned up?  Wearing PPE?
Using tools in both hands to work on your mouth is the classic one where they have to get in close and enfold you, you lucky devil.

[willie loman]

Were they busty?  Buttoned up?  Wearing PPE?
Using tools in both hands to work on your mouth is the classic one where they have to get in close and enfold you, you lucky devil.

Typically they cup your chin with one hand, while the other is active in your mouth ,breast pressing,the fact that they now wear these medical scrubs makes it filthier, although pleasant, i still would rather be elswhere ,with hairdressers, its the mons pubis pressed against your elbow, resting on the chair, if someone comes into the room, they immediately step back, which kind of makes me wonder.

[Strawberry]

Had more than one experience of dentist  or hygienist pressing her breasts against my cheek while doing stuff in my mouth,male dentists dont seem to have that problem, same with hairdressers, anyone else been taken advantage of? We could form a support group.

I've had a stomach belonging to a male dentist pressed into my head, not most recent dentist - a different one.

Once describing a chip in a tooth which I could not see I innocently slipped in "Of course things always feel bigger in your mouth".