Dating a prossie. Is it as bad an idea as it sounds?

[Hotpocket]

Didn't ask for a date but I just asked if she wanted to go to the park and talk sometime soon. She agreed.

Nice, good luck too you 

[Colston36]

I just knew you’re going to latch onto the money bit.

Yes, he had his own money and I never ever asked for it as I have my own. Jeez.

Being an antique I cannot recall ever asking a woman to pay for anything, though I have one relationship - not paid for and now over - where she usually buys me lunch.  Mainly because we meet in London and I have to traipse in from Bristol. When we were having an affair I always paid for the hotel.
During my only recent relationship with an escort I bought her a lot of clothes, toys and so on. She's moving to be closer to me so we'll start up again. One great thing about her is her not being tricky about my little perversions elsewhere - and I don't care what she does.

[Home Alone]

This ^  .... apart from the pop star bit. 

Oh and Fagash Lill is on a ventilator in Arrowe Park .. I always warned her to give them up.

 

[Thephoenix]

This ^  .... apart from the pop star bit. 

Oh and Fagash Lill is on a ventilator in Arrowe Park .. I always warned her to give them up.

I thought that was you doing your ward rounds when I visited her.
She said you had a lovely bedside manner.
I brought in a packet of woodbines for her, so she gave me a quick blowjob behind the screens before the bell went.
She also told me the hospital chaplain had been one of her regulars.

[Thephoenix]

I thought that was you doing your ward rounds when I visited her.
She said you had a lovely bedside manner.
I brought in a packet of woodbines for her, so she gave me a quick blowjob behind the screens before the bell went.
She also told me the hospital chaplain had been one of her regulars.

PS.. I was just wondering if that counts as a review?

[rockharders]

its possible. i wouldn't call it dating but I am seeing a WG as a no strings friends with benefits kind of thing.

We meet when we have time and want to have sex, hang out and chat. i pay nothing.

I got into this situation because she really likes me and wanted to keep seeing me, and insisted I didn't need to pay anything after our first couple of meets.

Do I mind her seeing other guys as a currently WG? No, I don't give a toss. Actually we are quite open about talking about clients and her work, our relationships etc. I'm already attached so this is strictly a FWB with someone who happens to be a WG.

Is is worth it? Absolutely yes.

[king tarzan]

its possible. i wouldn't call it dating but I am seeing a WG as a no strings friends with benefits kind of thing.

We meet when we have time and want to have sex, hang out and chat. i pay nothing.

I got into this situation because she really likes me and wanted to keep seeing me, and insisted I didn't need to pay anything after our first couple of meets.

Do I mind her seeing other guys as a currently WG? No, I don't give a toss. Actually we are quite open about talking about clients and her work, our relationships etc. I'm already attached so this is strictly a FWB with someone who happens to be a WG.

Is is worth it? Absolutely yes.

Don't worry she will squeeze every £ out of your nuts somewhere along the line, using her hands as a vice..
Your deluded if you think it's a free ride..

In this world nothing is free apart from the air we breathe, and the greenery see see, and the land we walk on..

[Colston36]

Don't worry she will squeeze every £ out of your nuts somewhere along the line, using her hands as a vice..
Your deluded if you think it's a free ride..

In this world nothing is free apart from the air we breathe, and the greenery see see, and the land we walk on..

What a know-all you are. You have a unique and fatuous talent for making sweeping statements about things you are not familiar with. You know nothing about the woman and nothing about our friend. As Oliver Cromwell remarked to some other idiot: "Consider in the bowels of Christ that ye may be wrong".

[rockharders]

Don't worry she will squeeze every £ out of your nuts somewhere along the line, using her hands as a vice..
Your deluded if you think it's a free ride..

In this world nothing is free apart from the air we breathe, and the greenery see see, and the land we walk on..

oh this is defintely free m8. wtf do you know about our situation? have you ever had a FWB? ive had several, i know how to handle them.
i havent paid anything for over a year now. no squeezing of the balls as of yet and i dont' expect any to come.
if she charges a penny again i walk. she knows that.

[JontyR]

i havent paid anything for over a year now. no squeezing of the balls as of yet and i dont' expect any to come.
if she charges a penny again i walk. she knows that.

You've explained yourself perfectly well and that the kind of relationship/arrangement/understanding you have works great for both parties. And from your description I would suggest that as unlikely as present your situation is...it is even more unlikely to revert to any kind  paid arrangement in the future.  Fair play pal.

[Hobbit]

oh this is defintely free m8. wtf do you know about our situation? have you ever had a FWB? ive had several, i know how to handle them.
i havent paid anything for over a year now. no squeezing of the balls as of yet and i dont' expect any to come.
if she charges a penny again i walk. she knows that.

Nothing is free in life mate. Sometimes we have to step back and look at the big picture because when we are invested in something that usually means we have put ourselves up as a deposit in hope of something in return. When we do that it is too difficult to see what's really going on.

You may not be paying anything in monetary terms but you may be buying her drinks, taking her out for meals, doing things around her house, or helping her out when she needs something. Regardless of whether you do this voluntarily or not by doing the act itself, you are hoping for something in return i.e. the sex. Hence you are paying for it.

Now you may argue that you don't do any of the above but I have a sneaky feeling you probably do one of them at least.

[winkywanky]

This ^  .... apart from the pop star bit. 

Oh and Fagash Lill is on a ventilator in Arrowe Park .. I always warned her to give them up.

Similarly, Lilo Lil, I repeatedly told her that to go swimming out to sea on a child's toy was dangerous, but would she fucking listen? 

RIP Lilo Lil, 1950 - 2018. Mother, Wife, Sister, Dearly Loved But Somewhat Stubborn.

[Thephoenix]

its possible. i wouldn't call it dating but I am seeing a WG as a no strings friends with benefits kind of thing.

We meet when we have time and want to have sex, hang out and chat. i pay nothing.

I got into this situation because she really likes me and wanted to keep seeing me, and insisted I didn't need to pay anything after our first couple of meets.

Do I mind her seeing other guys as a currently WG? No, I don't give a toss. Actually we are quite open about talking about clients and her work, our relationships etc. I'm already attached so this is strictly a FWB with someone who happens to be a WG.

Is is worth it? Absolutely yes.

Of course it's possible.
It's really quite weird that whenever anyone comes on here describing their personal experiences, you can guarantee there'll be the usual barrage of critics spewing out their predictable generalisations about why it's not possible.

There's been a few lately.
If someone takes the trouble to post on here describing how it's worked for them, why can't we accept what they say. They're the only ones that know the real situation.
Why would they decide to post if it wasn't true?

Everyone's different.... every relationship's different...what works for some may not work for others.
I congratulate anyone who finds any kind of relationship that works for them.

[jamesmoray]

I was dating an SP from Romania for around 2 years. We meet via AW as it were. We both had a good time but it ended through no fault of each other. It just ran its course. She was working in London through out this time. I was aware of this and for me I knew what she was doing. Supporting the family back in Romania. I understood why she was doing it as this is how we met. Was I jealous. No we had a normal relationship outside her work. I did not ask and she did not tell. I met her family on a few occasions so could see for myself the outcome of her work.  At the end of the day she was a human being and was looking after her family as best as she could. She was I must say stunning looking and a great personality.  Sometimes it’s just not meant to be.

[Hobbit]

I was dating an SP from Romania for around 2 years. We meet via AW as it were. We both had a good time but it ended through no fault of each other. It just ran its course. She was working in London through out this time. I was aware of this and for me I knew what she was doing. Supporting the family back in Romania. I understood why she was doing it as this is how we met. Was I jealous. No we had a normal relationship outside her work. I did not ask and she did not tell. I met her family on a few occasions so could see for myself the outcome of her work.  At the end of the day she was a human being and was looking after her family as best as she could. She was I must say stunning looking and a great personality.  Sometimes it’s just not meant to be.

Did you offer to contribute to help the family? A good citizen would do so. 

[king tarzan]

I was dating an SP from Romania for around 2 years. We meet via AW as it were. We both had a good time but it ended through no fault of each other. It just ran its course. She was working in London through out this time. I was aware of this and for me I knew what she was doing. Supporting the family back in Romania. I understood why she was doing it as this is how we met. Was I jealous. No we had a normal relationship outside her work. I did not ask and she did not tell. I met her family on a few occasions so could see for myself the outcome of her work.  At the end of the day she was a human being and was looking after her family as best as she could. She was I must say stunning looking and a great personality.  Sometimes it’s just not meant to be.

Was her name Christine and worked around Canary wharf?
She had a mugs ladder

[mightymunce]

Did you offer to contribute to help the family? A good citizen would do so. 

😆

[cotton]

I see a diferentiation between Rockharders who is basically getting free fwb services from an SP with presumably limited emotional involvement and the case of jamesmoray who seemingly had a considerable emotional attachment to the SP in question, In the case of rockharders its basically getting an enhanced SP service for free , otherwise as he says he walks away never to be seen again, zero attachment , this is like an understandable arrangement.
In the case of james and others, where there is a real emotional attachment the essential question for me is always going to be how do you see past the fact that the object of your affections is fucking loads of other guys all day.
If you "love" someone its natural to not want them to be fucking loads of other people . In this case its normal to be jealous, i woudnt even call it jealousy , its just a natural expectation.
What is abnormal is to be ok with the object of your affection fucking other people , that is an abnormal  lack of normal emotional feeling.
Maybe james and similar cases just didnt realy care that much about the SP , or maybe they did and circumstances necessitating the girl having to continue working conspired to the inevitable demise of the relationship idk.
It seems a common theme that where relationships with SPs have worked there has at least been an end point in sight , like a plan to give up whoring, that would make sense.  Otherwise it would be a real head trip , at least for a normal bloke.

[Markc]

I never tried to date an escort but one l know said she wanted to become friends. We both know each other’s
real names, about each other’s family and she knows where l work. I visit her at home and not her incall place.
I run her AW profile for her and help to arrange her bookings. But recently when l book her she seems to just
want to talk and tell me her family problems. She has always had problems with her sister, who she gives money
to help her out but the sister recently told their parents what’s she does for a living. As you can imagine they were
not best please.

Recently l had a 2 hour session with her and paid her £200 for and we were imitate for about 25 minutes of
that time and l only cum once. She did a lot of talking and telling me how bad her family were treating her.
I loved spending time with her but on this occasion l did feel a bit ripped off due to lack of service. Also when
visiting her l get messages asking to pick up some shopping or get phone top ups but never offered the
money for them. I was hoping for a friends with benefits situation ( which l know she has with other guys )
but she still asks for cash for our sessions together.

Also she sometimes goes quiet and l don’t hear for months on end until she wants me to do something for her.
So to sum up l think most WG’s that do this job full time have a different view of life than the rest of us.

[king tarzan]

I never tried to date an escort but one l know said she wanted to become friends. We both know each other’s
real names, about each other’s family and she knows where l work. I visit her at home and not her incall place.
I run her AW profile for her and help to arrange her bookings. But recently when l book her she seems to just
want to talk and tell me her family problems. She has always had problems with her sister, who she gives money
to help her out but the sister recently told their parents what’s she does for a living. As you can imagine they were
not best please.

Recently l had a 2 hour session with her and paid her £200 for and we were imitate for about 25 minutes of
that time and l only cum once. She did a lot of talking and telling me how bad her family were treating her.
I loved spending time with her but on this occasion l did feel a bit ripped off due to lack of service. Also when
visiting her l get messages asking to pick up some shopping or get phone top ups but never offered the
money for them. I was hoping for a friends with benefits situation ( which l know she has with other guys )
but she still asks for cash for our sessions together.

Also she sometimes goes quiet and l don’t hear for months on end until she wants me to do something for her.
So to sum up l think most WG’s that do this job full time have a different view of life than the rest of us.

Sums the reality up and dissolves the fantasy..

[Markc]

I stopped seeing her. I look for women on AW now, book them and pay for a session.
A lot less hassle than trying to help a working girl out.
,

[Payyourwaymate]

I never tried to date an escort but one l know said she wanted to become friends. We both know each other’s
real names, about each other’s family and she knows where l work. I visit her at home and not her incall place.
I run her AW profile for her and help to arrange her bookings. But recently when l book her she seems to just
want to talk and tell me her family problems. She has always had problems with her sister, who she gives money
to help her out but the sister recently told their parents what’s she does for a living. As you can imagine they were
not best please.

Recently l had a 2 hour session with her and paid her £200 for and we were imitate for about 25 minutes of
that time and l only cum once. She did a lot of talking and telling me how bad her family were treating her.
I loved spending time with her but on this occasion l did feel a bit ripped off due to lack of service. Also when
visiting her l get messages asking to pick up some shopping or get phone top ups but never offered the
money for them. I was hoping for a friends with benefits situation ( which l know she has with other guys )
but she still asks for cash for our sessions together.

Also she sometimes goes quiet and l don’t hear for months on end until she wants me to do something for her.
So to sum up l think most WG’s that do this job full time have a different view of life than the rest of us.

Seems to me that she just used you as an "orbiter". In other words, used you as an emotional tampon to vent her problems to and get attention from. Lots of women do that, I don't think that has anything to do with her being a WG, it just so happened she was a WG at the time when she used you, wasting your time and energy. If she had a FWB with other guys but asked for money from you should have seen the alarm bells there. She never saw you like she saw them other guys. At least you have moved on. 

[mightymunce]

Seems to me that she just used you as an "orbiter". In other words, used you as an emotional tampon to vent her problems to and get attention from. Lots of women do that, I don't think that has anything to do with her being a WG, it just so happened she was a WG at the time when she used you, wasting your time and energy. If she had a FWB with other guys but asked for money from you should have seen the alarm bells there. She never saw you like she saw them other guys. At least you have moved on.

Any hint that she sees you as a punter (and making you pay js) would have put her straight back in to you are SP and not a friend.

[Markc]

Thanks guys for your comments you are exactly right.
I was happy to help her buying shopping, doing her profile and getting her phone top-ups
but l thought l was going to get sex in exchange and not have to pay for it. She always
promised it including doing a lesbian show with other escort for me but she was always
too busy or had other bookings to do. It was also funny that she talked about getting
a boyfriend or even getting married but said she could never meet the right man.

I now got a few regulars WG’s l see and l now enjoy looking at Adultwork and punting
websites like this one to find some new ladies and l must say l had some really good
experiences. But now l meet a lady, pay them, fuck them and leave.

[Watts.E.Dunn]

MARKc that sounded like a type of woman usually refered to as a Missus! sure it wasnt one of them?, they usually promise a lot but cost the earth at the end of the day:(..

[Doc Holliday]

I see a diferentiation between Rockharders who is basically getting free fwb services from an SP with presumably limited emotional involvement and the case of jamesmoray who seemingly had a considerable emotional attachment to the SP in question, In the case of rockharders its basically getting an enhanced SP service for free , otherwise as he says he walks away never to be seen again, zero attachment , this is like an understandable arrangement.
In the case of james and others, where there is a real emotional attachment the essential question for me is always going to be how do you see past the fact that the object of your affections is fucking loads of other guys all day.
If you "love" someone its natural to not want them to be fucking loads of other people . In this case its normal to be jealous, i woudnt even call it jealousy , its just a natural expectation.
What is abnormal is to be ok with the object of your affection fucking other people , that is an abnormal  lack of normal emotional feeling.
Maybe james and similar cases just didnt realy care that much about the SP , or maybe they did and circumstances necessitating the girl having to continue working conspired to the inevitable demise of the relationship idk.
It seems a common theme that where relationships with SPs have worked there has at least been an end point in sight , like a plan to give up whoring, that would make sense.  Otherwise it would be a real head trip , at least for a normal bloke.

I agree with all of that and indeed it accurately mirrors my personal experiences also. That said it doesn't fit other couples I have known.

[Band1t]

oh this is defintely free m8. wtf do you know about our situation? have you ever had a FWB? ive had several, i know how to handle them.
i havent paid anything for over a year now. no squeezing of the balls as of yet and i dont' expect any to come.
if she charges a penny again i walk. she knows that.

Good for you. Lots of envious people on here.

[Thephoenix]

There's members making comments about what they perceive to be normal sexual behaviour.

When I was growing up, the following were considered normal:-
Masturbation was abnormal and sinful.
A class of young girls at a convent school were told to go to confession to overcome their impure thoughts for looking through the classroom window at a young shirtless gardener.
Homosexuality was sinful and illegal.
Sex before marriage was illegal.
Birth control was a sin and sex should only be for procreation.
Interracial relationships were frowned upon.
Celibacy was considered to be a great ideal for religious leaders, and no-one knew about child abuse.
Genital mutilation was recommended....and still is in some societies.
Trannies were portable radios.
The male attitude was often based on the sexual possessiveness and control of female sexuality.
Couples were expected to marry young, with the wife staying at home and producing children.

In general, individuals are socialised to sexual norms from an early age by their family, education system, peers, media and religion.
However, society's and individual views on sexuality have changed through history and are constantly evolving.
Many young people today...(particularly women), have completely different attitudes and expectations relating to sexuality compared to my generation.

With age and experience, my views and attitudes towards sex and relationships have changed considerably, with meeting couples on the swinging scene and chatting to people who don't conform to what some on here consider to be normal.

These days open relationship are becoming more common, and of course in many societies around the world polygamy is accepted as normal.
In Tibet, Nepal, Malaysia, Kazakhstan and fundamental Mormon groups in USA, polygamy is still practiced.

So who knows how attitudes towards sexual relationships will change in the future.
In the meantime, we need to accept that what's considered normal by some, may be abnormal to others.
It just depends on where you're coming from.

In the meantime.... Live and let live!

Altogether now.....'Kumbaya.....🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶😁😁😁😁

Ok got a bit carried away there.🙄

[Iceman90]

Some lucky guys on here, I’d love to date one of these gorgeous escorts but they are never interested. I’m young, in shape, attractive, good job and generous with money but obviously that’s not good enough for them. They all seem to be into scumbag drug dealers and roided up criminal thugs.

[signy]

There's members making comments about what they perceive to be normal sexual behaviour.

...

Ok got a bit carried away there.🙄

Thanks Phoenix; those brought back some (unwanted) memories. Here are a few more from my lifetime, which seem barely credible today.

Contraception could only be supplied legally to married couples.
A women was automatically fired from the civil service as soon as she got married so that she could take up her "proper role in life".
A man could rape his wife as much as he wanted.
Child abuse was a bit of a laugh and a subject for the "comedians" of the time.

[Colston36]

MARKc that sounded like a type of woman usually refered to as a Missus! sure it wasnt one of them?, they usually promise a lot but cost the earth at the end of the day:(..

My last wife cost me more money than I could spend in two lifetimes on paid pussy. At least she was fun and filthy in bed, but what a price!

[Thephoenix]

Some lucky guys on here, I’d love to date one of these gorgeous escorts but they are never interested. I’m young, in shape, attractive, good job and generous with money but obviously that’s not good enough for them. They all seem to be into scumbag drug dealers and roided up criminal thugs.

Wow!🤔

[Payyourwaymate]

Some lucky guys on here, I’d love to date one of these gorgeous escorts but they are never interested. I’m young, in shape, attractive, good job and generous with money but obviously that’s not good enough for them. They all seem to be into scumbag drug dealers and roided up criminal thugs.

Why would you want to date a WG if you are such a wonderful catch? Get a non-WG hottie instead or go on SA  .

[JontyR]

23288 UK listings for escorts on AW today. Even if 50% aren't genuine that's a lot to stereotype into one group.

[cotton]

Sex before marriage was illegal.

In the meantime.... Live and let live!

Altogether now.....'Kumbaya.....🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶🎶😁😁😁😁

Ok got a bit carried away there.🙄

Sex before marriage was illegal , was it really ? 

[Brad2020]

Probably not a great idea, I mean, unless you're perfectly comfortable with the person you're dating shagging 3+ people every day.

Ironically a few months ago I considered something similar... I saw a WG in Winchmore Hill, London about 2 months before Xmas. She was really young, 20, a student, English, really hot mixed race girl. She said she only does it every now and then when she has time off from uni. She seemed quite lax about the whole escorting thing and was quite happy to do things lots of WGs either won't do full stop, or won't do unless you pay them £20 extra. I don't mean BB btw, I'd never do that. Anyway she seemed to generally love sex.

We went way over time and she'd said something like 'I don't usually finish my night in that great a fashion' and I thought 'yeah I'm sure you say that to all your last punters of the night'. But then at the end I asked her if she always wants guys to pay her, and she said 'not if I like them, no...'. So I said, well how about next time I give you a call, I don't bring any money with me'. She said that sounded good and gave me her personal phone number. Needless to say I walked out feeling pretty smug and had visions of having just found a great fuck buddy from a punt. I called her a week later and went to see her at an agency house she was staying at, but hadn't made clear that I didn't want to pay her. I got there and said that and she said you need to leave (lol), but I can see you tomorrow afternoon. I left and her pimp, who was a woman who let me in, somehow got my number and text me having a go at me for turning up with no money. I actually saw her the next day and never again, basically because she was really unreliable around meeting up and always seemed to have some kind of problem with where she was staying, or would prioritise money over seeing me (fair enough). I'd considered that we actually apparently got on so well, I could see myself seeing her and hanging out with her etc, if she wasn't working as a WG all the time.

End of the long story... Moral of the story is it probably isn't a good idea. Seems a good idea at the time but it isn't realistic. Also once you've gotten used to getting £100+ for something, you're probably always going to do that over doing it with someone for free. And that will affect how reliable you are, and how trustworthy that person perceives you to be...

[Mr Sinister]

Some lucky guys on here, I’d love to date one of these gorgeous escorts but they are never interested. I’m young, in shape, attractive, good job and generous with money but obviously that’s not good enough for them. They all seem to be into scumbag drug dealers and roided up criminal thugs.

Think you have it wrong, don't think you understand female nature only use a prossie for easy access of sex nothing more. There's a reason they're with scumbag drug dealers and roided up criminal thugs.

[Thephoenix]

Sex before marriage was illegal , was it really ? 

Whoops....another senior moment!🙄

[Bonker]

My wife is a lawyer and she assures me that the law states "sex after marriage is illegal".

[Link7]

25 pages -TLDR would be an understatement lads.

Answer: yes. Presumably some punter has posted a cock and bull story about how he lived happily ever after with his prossie gf not sure how this gets to 25 pages otherwise...

[Mr Doodle]

"Would you date a..." and "Do you think you could live happily every after with a.... " are two very diffrent questions...

The arguments against, apart from the fact that her job is to have sex with other men, can apply to women in general... There are a good number of women who are gold diggers, a little nuts, etc. Yes, they all may offer sex to get something (there are more on here who say the sex dries up after the woman ahs effectively snared them, than say it continues unabated and as dirty as it was).. But we also offer that something else for sex. Bottom line is a lot of women are prossies  - though they only have one client (at a time) if you're lucky...

Would I date a prossie - yeah, if I liked her enough and the boundaries were set... Do I think I would be able to find a SP to live happily ever after? I would say it would be difficult,  but in reality, not much harder than finding miss right om civvie street - while many of us are still in partnerships, how many of us are living happily... ever after?

In reality, as long as she was hygenic and in a secure environment, I probably wouldn't care.. I don't think I would like the home discussion to be about the gritty details of what she did at work - but what partner who doesn't do the same work or work in the same office wants to hear the gritty of what their partner did at work? I wouldn't mind the "tough" or "great" day at work conversation or her venting frustration at the bitchiness of the other SPs... Would I worry about her lusting over some of her clients? No more than I would worry about my partner lusting over a colleague at work and having an affair (I do believe it happens quite a bit in civvie street).

The reality is, when looking for your life long partner (which is an outdated concept anyway), you are looking for compatibility. If your personality is incompatible wth partnering up with a WG, then, don't. If you are OK with it, then it comes down to all the other elements of finding miss right... just like finding miss right amngst civvie street - something a lot of us have admitted not having a great deal of success.

Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind giving this SP a shot at a relationship.. Too late for me, though: External Link/Members Only

[Wowgeek]

Whoops....another senior moment!🙄

Sex outside marriage was unlawful, that’s why a man could rape his wife, because the definition of rape was ‘unlawful sexual intercourse’.

Let’s not go down the illegal/unlawful path again, eh? 😁

[daviemac]

Sex outside marriage was unlawful, that’s why a man could rape his wife, because the definition of rape was ‘unlawful sexual intercourse’.

Let’s not go down the illegal/unlawful path again, eh? 😁

Can you link to that law?

Marital rape has been illegal for 30 years.

[Wowgeek]

Can you link to that law?

Marital rape has been illegal for 30 years.

Sexual Offences Act 1956 External Link/Members Only you’ll need to read it in its unamended form. Yes, you’re right about that bit being repealed some years back and now, of course, the whole Act is now superseded. It’s just that some of us are old 😇

[daviemac]

Sexual Offences Act 1956 External Link/Members Only you’ll need to read it in its unamended form. Yes, you’re right about that bit being repealed some years back and now, of course, the whole Act is now superseded. It’s just that some of us are old 😇

Just link to the part where it says sex outside of marriage was illegal, you are saying it was illegal so you must have read it and know where it is within the legislation.

[Wowgeek]

Just link to the part where it says sex outside of marriage was illegal, you are saying it was illegal so you must have read it and know where it is within the legislation.

I didn’t say it was illegal, I said it was unlawful. And I was speaking from memory as I used to teach it, back in the day. Having now dusted off the internet I refer you to the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 1976 which provides;

Meaning of “rape” etc.

(1)For the purposes of section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 1956 (which relates to rape) a man commits rape if—

(a)he has unlawful sexual intercourse with a woman who at the time of the intercourse does not consent to it; and

(b)at that time he knows that she does not consent to the intercourse or he is reckless as to whether she consents to it;

and references to rape in other enactments (including the following provisions of this Act) shall be construed accordingly.

UNLAWFUL in this context means outside marriage, remember this legislation was enacted when marriage was a holy lawful union and the only place where lawful sex was recognised.

So, the point was that in marriage ALL sex was lawful, however it was done and whether or not the wife consented. So my point was, this is why the law was changed because a husband couldn’t rape his wife because the sex was lawful and, therefore, the definition was not complete. I said nothing about sex outside marriage and, specifically said, I didn’t want to reopen the illegal/unlawful debate😂😂

I hope that’s clear?

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[daviemac]

I didn’t say it was illegal, I said it was unlawful. And I was speaking from memory as I used to teach it, back in the day. Having now dusted off the internet I refer you to the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 1976 which provides;

Meaning of “rape” etc.

(1)For the purposes of section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 1956 (which relates to rape) a man commits rape if—

(a)he has unlawful sexual intercourse with a woman who at the time of the intercourse does not consent to it; and

(b)at that time he knows that she does not consent to the intercourse or he is reckless as to whether she consents to it;

and references to rape in other enactments (including the following provisions of this Act) shall be construed accordingly.

UNLAWFUL in this context means outside marriage, remember this legislation was enacted when marriage was a holy lawful union and the only place where lawful sex was recognised.

So, the point was that in marriage ALL sex was lawful, however it was done and whether or not the wife consented. So my point was, this is why the law was changed because a husband couldn’t rape his wife because the sex was lawful and, therefore, the definition was not complete. I said nothing about sex outside marriage and, specifically said, I didn’t want to reopen the illegal/unlawful debate😂😂

I hope that’s clear?

Not clear in the slightest, in this post you are referring to rape. -

Sex outside marriage was unlawful,

Unlawful is a somewhat 'umbrella' term and includes things that are illegal. I know when marital rape became illegal but I have no idea when rape outside of marriage did. I remember when sex outside of marriage was frowned upon or even classed as immoral, I don't recall it being classed as unlawful. I even remember when divorce was extremely difficult. 

If you didn't want to open a debate you should not have brought the subject up. Making a statement then telling others not to disagree with it normally has the opposite effect.

[Doc Holliday]

Davie I have seen this discussion before some years ago around the term 'unlawful sexual intercourse' and its historical relevance to 'rape within marriage'. It is somewhat complex and no longer really relevant anyway as the legislation has changed.

I believe Wowgeek is correct. The point he is trying to make is that back in the fifties it was argued (successfully I believe) that sex within marriage was lawful and did not fit the definition of 'unlawful' in the sexual offences Act at that time. ..and therefore rape was not possible within marriage. I think the inference was that then sex outside marriage was 'unlawful' but I may be wrong?

This is as I say complex and historical and not worth confrontation over. He was being pedantic over a historical point of Law following someone correcting Phoenix's post. 

[daviemac]

Davie I have seen this discussion before some years ago around the term 'unlawful sexual intercourse' and its historical relevance to 'rape within marriage'. It is somewhat complex and no longer really relevant anyway as the legislation has changed.

I believe Wowgeek is correct. The point he is trying to make is that back in the fifties it was argued (successfully I believe) that sex within marriage was lawful and did not fit the definition of 'unlawful' in the sexual offences Act at that time. ..and therefore rape was not possible within marriage. I think the inference was that then sex outside marriage was 'unlawful' but I may be wrong?

This is as I say complex and historical and not worth confrontation over. He was being pedantic over a historical point of Law following someone correcting Phoenix's post. 

I agree with what you are saying but why make a statement on a debatable point or one that is open to interpretation then say don't debate it.