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Offline Lou2019

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In short - no, it doesn't have to be a bad idea and a relationship disaster to date a working girl.

It's worthwhile to perhaps see the matter from a more nuanced perspective for once. I appreciate that some individuals on here will never ever get past their own ego and rigid stereotypical thinking, clinging to their belief that 'no sensible man' could ever consider it. Why do such people continue to punt when continuously looking down on the WGs they punt with, as if they are somehow lesser people, remains a mystery. Reminder: the WGs are people with the same relationship needs and capabilities, just like you.

To those who are willing to open their mind, a few facts:

First (most important), this is only a job. She takes a booking, gets paid for it, provides a service, client leaves and she forgets about him. Next. That's all. He doesn't get anything else from her apart from a performance of an agreed activity for am agreed fee. Believe it or not, for vast majority of working girls this is only a means to pay their bills and achieve whatever financial goals they have. The WG "uses" punters to the same extend the punters are "using" her, only the type of gratification is different.

Second, she chose YOU. Among all the guys she meets and who pay her money, it is YOU that she comes back to at the end of the day. It's YOU who is the man in her life, not punters. There is no emotional attachment or loyalty to the punters and IMHO, loyalty is far more than just physical fidelity.

Third, she likely makes more than you. I cannot see how this is a problem unless the man has a really fragile ego and cannot get over it. If anything, this is a good thing since you know that she is unlikely to be with you for material reasons. It doesn't have to mean you're just a wallet and that she will expect you to pay for everything and spoil her with designer handbags. She can easily do this herself. The WG is likely in this relationship for reasons unrelated to money. Tell me how many "normal" "self-respecting" vanilla girls get into a relationship and don't expect the man to pay for everything and eventually sustain her, just because she exists.

Fourth - if the working girl actually tells you about what she does, that's great. The earlier she tells you the better. This means two major things - first she respects you enough to tell you so you can make an informed choice and don't waste time if you cannot accept it and second - she wants to build a relationship on an honest foundation, without tricks and bullshit.

Fifth - you chose her and she knows not many would be sensible enough to get past the stereotypes, their own ego and knee-jerk "FUCK NO" type of responses. This can actually make her appreciate you more and increase her loyalty to you.

Sixth: The whole idea that she would be "too tired to have sex with you after doing all those guys" is laughable. So if she was a primary school teacher sitting with someone else's kids all day, does it mean she would be too tired to play with her own kids when she gets home? Wrong again. Sex with punters vs sex with a partner -> inconsequential paid performance with a stranger versus genuine intimacy with someone she is actually attracted to. Can't compare apples and oranges. 

Seventh: one of the comments above that "they are all batshit crazy" made me laugh. Many escorts that I am friends with have their heads seriously screwed on and treat this job only as a financial instrument for other things, be it funding their education, supplement existing income or setting up their own business. Selling sex is only that, selling sex and it doesn't tell you anything else about the woman.

I hope this clarifies.

Great post and very accurate x
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Tbh iv been seeing my regular for past 5 years, she no longer escorts and has a regular job but if she did it wouldnt bother me, we came to an agreement long time ago that its just £40 for all i want (this can be all night), we do other stuff not just sex such as cinema, she comes for dinner we buy eachother xmas/bday presents, may sound weird but it works well for both of us at the moment.

I had one of them, she was called a Missus!....

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Morning,

Easily. The punters and WG meet and feelings/chemistry develop. It's very rare but it does happen. And when it does, the WG may choose to "promote" the punter to a normal boyfriend. Having said that, I think this scenario is trickier than say, if the met a man outside of her work. A relationship with a non-punter follows the normal dynamic which IMO feels more natural (dating - then sex after) whereas when dating a punter, that dynamic is reversed (sex - then dating).

Thanks for the reply. I did also ask if you were speaking from experience of 'dating a prossie' which you didn't answer ... however from your above post it's clear that you are not.

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Point 1. Oh really? Then how do you end up in a relationship with a WG in the first place? Normal guys with a backbone are not putting up with any of what you said.

Point 2. Yes, so if you met her as a punter and liked her you have no chance in hell because of point one of what you stated. So that is discredited, normal guys who are not punters are likely not going to put up with it again. So.....

Point 3. That is likely not true in the long term. If you look at it on a hourly basis and extrapolate it for amount of clients per day for a certain period of time it would look like that. This does not count void periods of no customers, sick days, expenses, burnout, terrible spending habits etc. When COVID hit who was one of the groups that got hit the worst? Sex workers. They ain't got money like that. Enough punters have been scammed by WGs but it's ok because these WGs earned more than them right?  :sarcastic:

Point 4. I agree to an extent but realistically the men that go along with it will likely try to save the woman in the end and it goes pear shaped.


Point 5. Not sure where that is coming from, who's going to feel special about "loyalty" by a WG? Most men don't want their woman fucking other men. What loyalty is there, the relationship is already open sexually as she is fucking other men, there is no exclusivity between the man and the WG. It's an open relationship physically. Mental loyalty? What worth does that have exactly when they could get the same from a woman that is not a WG? This is some fluffy white knight BS.

Point 6. A chick getting fucked by punters on a day to day is not going to be tired enough to fuck her partner? So if she fucked 3-5 guys in one day and they were all 1 hour sessions with lots of physical activity all of a sudden you are going to come along with your hard on as the next guy to fuck and suck but because you are the boyfriend you'll get special sex? Huh???????? Is that really realistic?

Point 7. That could be true for the women you know but alot of members on her have stated plenty of examples of WGs for people to in general be wary of dealing with WGs outside of punting meets.

Long story short...You are white knighting for these hoes. Disappointing. They would not do the same for you. I've never seen a WG defend punters the way some punters are willing to die by the sword for these hoes  :lol:. Outstanding and astonishing  :sarcastic: .

Now this up here is what I totally agree with. I think some people want to think that not everything is black and white in life but in some cases it is. As mentioned with Payyourwaymate above, you have to be naive to think that you will get good relationship with a WG 9/10 times. Yes #Notall and you may find a good WG who will stop everything for being with you (if your man who don't mind his woman having a high body count) but that's like finding a needle on a hay sack.

Will add to point 6 of Payyourwaymate made is that a WG will have to perform her best with her customers as that is how she makes her living. And her performance will have to be her best regardless of how many customers she sees or how energetic the sex was with her customers. If that same WG won't perform her best with her boyfriend (and person she says she "loves") when you have free time and relaxed, then it's really telling were her focus is. Of course that does not include every WG as some will space their appointments evenly but I agree with most of Payyorwaymate responses here.

As for point 2 will have to agree with AlmoundMilk. This is a bit off topic but we live in a society that is moving slowly towards more of a Onlyfans, Cardi B WAP and sexual freedom society that things like dating a prossie will not be looked down upon by most normal people in the future maybe. Just look at what most of these Rappers are dating and marrying. You and I may think that's not right but to others that fine.

End of the day people can do what they want.

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Great post and very accurate x

Hardly surprising you say that, it reads like it was written by a female sex worker.

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Hardly surprising you say that, it reads like it was written by a female sex worker.

doesn’t matter if it is does it ? it still remains accurate in my experience
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Now this up here is what I totally agree with. I think some people want to think that not everything is black and white in life but in some cases it is. As mentioned with Payyourwaymate above, you have to be naive to think that you will get good relationship with a WG 9/10 times. Yes #Notall and you may find a good WG who will stop everything for being with you (if your man who don't mind his woman having a high body count) but that's like finding a needle on a hay sack.

Will add to point 6 of Payyourwaymate made is that a WG will have to perform her best with her customers as that is how she makes her living. And her performance will have to be her best regardless of how many customers she sees or how energetic the sex was with her customers. If that same WG won't perform her best with her boyfriend (and person she says she "loves") when you have free time and relaxed, then it's really telling were her focus is. Of course that does not include every WG as some will space their appointments evenly but I agree with most of Payyorwaymate responses here.

As for point 2 will have to agree with AlmoundMilk. This is a bit off topic but we live in a society that is moving slowly towards more of a Onlyfans, Cardi B WAP and sexual freedom society that things like dating a prossie will not be looked down upon by most normal people in the future maybe. Just look at what most of these Rappers are dating and marrying. You and I may think that's not right but to others that fine.

End of the day people can do what they want.

People are only promoting this liberal sex worker is fine on the internet. Women in the US have gotten fired or harrassed for having onlyfans and still working normal jobs. There's still repercussions for women that openly admit they are sex workers outside of the sex work world, doors close. Outside of the western world it's even worse. You think these normal guys families will accept a sex worker with open arms with no qualms?  Like say Guy A is like hey meet my girlfriend X. She is a sex worker for a living but she's a great person and completes me etc... Word round the family and Guy A friends would be that Guy A has lost his marbles and could not do any better. I know you must have seen situations of guys that decided to have a girlfriend with a sexual liberal past, let alone being sex worker. The guy gets no respect from anybody that is aware of the girls history and their relationship still breaksdown anyway, I've seen it a couple times.  Cardi B, Meg the stallion and rappers that marry or enter entanglements with girls that are openly sexually liberal are rich and famous, the sort of life they live can't be applied to normal regular people. Everything is sexually free and acceptable on the internet only, people are all talk for the sake of being politically correct and being in the "in crowd". These men that want to act like everything is jolly dating a sex worker and it's so special are free to do so and live in disneyland, but those women are not looking for men like them.

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Long story short...You are white knighting for these hoes. Disappointing. They would not do the same for you. I've never seen a WG defend punters the way some punters are willing to die by the sword for these hoes  :lol:. Outstanding and astonishing  :sarcastic: .

Long story short: I am actually female and a WG who was able to successfully reconcile my job (and yes, it's just a job) with a long-term relationship. I have also defended punters numerous times against the radfem crazies and "normal people" who paint all of you as abusers and rapists. After reading this thread, I have decided to offer a WG perspective on this matter, based on personal experience, and hopefully create some balance to the mostly damning views expressed on this thread.

So let's go...

Point 1. Oh really? Then how do you end up in a relationship with a WG in the first place? Normal guys with a backbone are not putting up with any of what you said.

Well, according to the rest of population outside of escorting and punting, "normal guys with a backbone" aren't even paying for pussy. Do you really wanna do down this route?

How do you end up in a relationship with a WG? Well, he either meets a girl on the job or meets her in the civvy setting. I met my partner in the "normal life" and he knew me first of all by the real name. He was told very early on and whilst he initially had similar reservations to many of you guys here, we did have very open and honest discussion about this and and he has accepted it over time once he recognised it for what it is - a job. He has not rejected me over it, never threw it in my face, never called me a name and was able to see me as a whole person. The escorting and civvy life is kept strictly separate as well, he doesn't want to hear about it nor I want to dwell on it. It's simply a sideline of mine that he knows exists, yet has zero effect on our relationship. If and when we decide to take it onto the next level, I am happy to quit when I am ready to do so.

Point 2. Yes, so if you met her as a punter and liked her you have no chance in hell because of point one of what you stated. So that is discredited, normal guys who are not punters are likely not going to put up with it again. So.....

I am not a punter. I am a living breathing example of a WG who was able to make it work.

Point 3. That is likely not true in the long term. If you look at it on a hourly basis and extrapolate it for amount of clients per day for a certain period of time it would look like that. This does not count void periods of no customers, sick days, expenses, burnout, terrible spending habits etc. When COVID hit who was one of the groups that got hit the worst? Sex workers. They ain't got money like that. Enough punters have been scammed by WGs but it's ok because these WGs earned more than them right?  :sarcastic:

Great to see you sweeping WGs as having "terrible spending habits". Add also that we don't pay any tax and cannot count to ten. Sorry, wrong. I and several friends of mine were able to save big sums of money, make investments with it and buy properties. At least three that I personally know are running their own small businesses or are now self-employed in fields different from escorting, the shift funded with their escorting money. This is honest money and nobody was robbed. Not sure what you mean by 'scamming', do you mean the high fees WGs charge? Surely punters know what the rates are and nobody forces them to pay those rates? Do you feel scammed when paying for sex in the first place?

Point 4. I agree to an extent but realistically the men that go along with it will likely try to save the woman in the end and it goes pear shaped.

Realistically, mine did not ever attempt to 'save' me from anything. He knows this is something I do for my own reasons and will quit it once certain goals are met. By that time I am hoping to make enough for long-term investments and start a different, non-SW career path that pays better than the existing one. I also held a 'normal job' for years before making the jump to full-time few years ago. I don't expect him to ever match those earnings or to be a walking wallet either.

Point 5. Not sure where that is coming from, who's going to feel special about "loyalty" by a WG? Most men don't want their woman fucking other men. What loyalty is there, the relationship is already open sexually as she is fucking other men, there is no exclusivity between the man and the WG. It's an open relationship physically. Mental loyalty? What worth does that have exactly when they could get the same from a woman that is not a WG? This is some fluffy white knight BS.


Of course, I mean who on Earth would feel happy to have a loyal partner in someone as inferior as a WG, right? They're lesser people, a far cry from those pristine sinless vanilla girls who may preach all day about "self-respect" whilst hooking up with some randoms off Tinder for absolutely nothing.

Loyalty means different things to different people. Of course we can disagree on the definition of it. For you it can mean she's locked in the house in a chastity belt and never even looks at another man. *For me and my partner*, loyalty is far beyond sexual. It means that if a punter or any man wants to push his number to my hand behind my partner's back, he gets a kick in the bollocks. It also means that I am able to cancel a high earning punt if this means being "there" for my partner when needed. Loyalty is also when he knows that no amount of cash and decent dicking is able to sway me away from him. Equally, I know that if a hot naked woman dances in front of his face, there is nothing to worry about as he is mine. Think about it next time the Mrs gets batshit mad when she catches you checking someone else out.

Maybe it's just my view, but I'd rather be upfront and let him make an informed choice, rather than playing as some sort of Holy Virgin Mary to his face whilst going behind his back.
 
Sure, you can get the same from a non-WG woman. Go for it. But you cannot state unequivocally that a woman who is a sex worker couldn't possibly be capable of loyalty or be unworthy of a "normal" relationship. Because guess what, behind our sexy personas, quite a few of us are actually "normal". Chances are you already know "one of those" without even knowing it. I wonder if you'd say those things to her face if it turned out to be your daughter, your sister or a good female friend. Always interesting to see the change in tune when those worthless dirty hookers suddenly stop being just an abstract concept you can anonymously pick apart on the internet but materialise as someone you know.


Point 6. A chick getting fucked by punters on a day to day is not going to be tired enough to fuck her partner? So if she fucked 3-5 guys in one day and they were all 1 hour sessions with lots of physical activity all of a sudden you are going to come along with your hard on as the next guy to fuck and suck but because you are the boyfriend you'll get special sex? Huh???????? Is that really realistic?

Look, I understand that a lot of men are not able to see the WG as a person, stop defining her through the lenses of her job and just can't handle it. I understand that many men won't be able to look past all those cocks. That's perfectly fine.

How it works here? Well, I work a few days a month and don't see my guy every day. On days I do see him, there are no punts. I block time out for him. So if your imagination wandered to some dramatic image of me coming to him with smudgy makeup, torn stockings and getting kissy kissy whilst glazed over in spunk at the end of the day, like in some cuckold porn, sorry to disappoint :)

As to the quality of sex itself - of course it's better than paid sex. Why? Because there is mutual attraction, more time to explore preferences, it's natural, it's unconstricted, it's genuine and there is intimacy which won't be replicated by the best GFE for any amount of money. Again, apples and oranges.

Haha sorry but I can't think of an instance I was too tired to shag my guy. Why would I not want to put all the effort with someone I actually like? That'd be a sin :)

Point 7. That could be true for the women you know but alot of members on her have stated plenty of examples of WGs for people to in general be wary of dealing with WGs outside of punting meets.

Yes, fortunately myself, and many of the fellow WGs I have made friends with over the years, do not fit the damning stereotypes that are present on this thread and also in the wider society. This is exactly why I have made my comment here in the first place. I do appreciate that a lot of guys do have bad experiences with WGs, and indeed some WGs do have drug abuse problems/mental health issues/messy lives that lead them to take this up as a profession, some are indeed unfit to have a relationship with. My point is - it's perhaps more sensible to look at each WG on individual basis, as opposed to tarring them with the same broad brush. Don't you know how society sees punters? Well, "normal people" may say that all punters are some greasy ugly creepy losers who cannot pull women "the normal way" so they have to pay for it. The "normal people" claim that "real men don't pay". And my all-time favourite: "good that hookers exist so the creeps and rapists can also have their release".

Not nice to hear that bullshit and get judged due to your hobby, is it? Then please do extend the same courtesy before defining women and judging their worth and capabilities as partners solely by their jobs. You don't know anything else about the woman selling sex apart from the fact she's selling sex. We, just like punters, come from all walks of life and backgrounds.

Peace  :drinks:

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People are only promoting this liberal sex worker is fine on the internet. Women in the US have gotten fired or harrassed for having onlyfans and still working normal jobs. There's still repercussions for women that openly admit they are sex workers outside of the sex work world, doors close. Outside of the western world it's even worse. You think these normal guys families will accept a sex worker with open arms with no qualms?  Like say Guy A is like hey meet my girlfriend X. She is a sex worker for a living but she's a great person and completes me etc... Word round the family and Guy A friends would be that Guy A has lost his marbles and could not do any better. I know you must have seen situations of guys that decided to have a girlfriend with a sexual liberal past, let alone being sex worker. The guy gets no respect from anybody that is aware of the girls history and their relationship still breaksdown anyway, I've seen it a couple times.

Yeah I may be only seeing this from internet lenses so I may think that's what society is like (lockdown is getting to me ha). Though some parts of USA like liberal states like California and more accurately Portland, Oregon seem to be more accepting of such lifestyles. I remember a Louis Theroux documentary "Love Without Limits" and it seems like it is picking up some stream. So I think some areas like those we will see more of sexual liberated relationships being accepted.

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Cardi B, Meg the stallion and rappers that marry or enter entanglements with girls that are openly sexually liberal are rich and famous, the sort of life they live can't be applied to normal regular people. Everything is sexually free and acceptable on the internet only, people are all talk for the sake of being politically correct and being in the "in crowd". These men that want to act like everything is jolly dating a sex worker and it's so special are free to do so and live in disneyland, but those women are not looking for men like them.

As for Cardi B point, these type of women and relationships are being pushed by the media as they make that $$$$. Personally I think this will rub off to the children and young adults and influence them on what type of relationship they should be sadly. Yes those rappers are rich and don't live everyday working class life but they is a reason why some kids wish to be a rapper or a youbuter when they grow up. But I agree with most of your points and like you said if "these men that want to act like everything is jolly dating a sex worker and it's so special are free to do so and live in disneyland, but those women are not looking for men like them".


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So let's go...

Well, according to the rest of population outside of escorting and punting, "normal guys with a backbone" aren't even paying for pussy. Do you really wanna do down this route?



We can if you want, you're not a man so how will you convince me on what makes a man?



How do you end up in a relationship with a WG? Well, he either meets a girl on the job or meets her in the civvy setting. I met my partner in the "normal life" and he knew me first of all by the real name. He was told very early on and whilst he initially had similar reservations to many of you guys here, we did have very open and honest discussion about this and and he has accepted it over time once he recognised it for what it is - a job. He has not rejected me over it, never threw it in my face, never called me a name and was able to see me as a whole person. The escorting and civvy life is kept strictly separate as well, he doesn't want to hear about it nor I want to dwell on it. It's simply a sideline of mine that he knows exists, yet has zero effect on our relationship. If and when we decide to take it onto the next level, I am happy to quit when I am ready to do so.


There you go. I was referring to punters who think it is ok to date WGs not normal guys  :dash: and guess what....he does not want to hear about it. He's fully dissociated what you do for a living as a coping mechanism. Has he told his family and friends about you? What do they think?



I am not a punter. I am a living breathing example of a WG who was able to make it work.


That's great, I'm happy for you.


Great to see you sweeping WGs as having "terrible spending habits". Add also that we don't pay any tax and cannot count to ten. Sorry, wrong. I and several friends of mine were able to save big sums of money, make investments with it and buy properties. At least three that I personally know are running their own small businesses or are now self-employed in fields different from escorting, the shift funded with their escorting money. This is honest money and nobody was robbed. Not sure what you mean by 'scamming', do you mean the high fees WGs charge? Surely punters know what the rates are and nobody forces them to pay those rates? Do you feel scammed when paying for sex in the first place?



Where did I say anything about paying tax or not able to count to 10. Don't put words in my statement. I'm not talking about scammed in terms of what WGs charge. I was referring to punters being scammed for larger amounts of money after getting EAS from falling for a WG. Again, you not being a punter makes sense in your statements. You could not even understand what I was referring to.



Realistically, mine did not ever attempt to 'save' me from anything. He knows this is something I do for my own reasons and will quit it once certain goals are met. By that time I am hoping to make enough for long-term investments and start a different, non-SW career path that pays better than the existing one. I also held a 'normal job' for years before making the jump to full-time few years ago. I don't expect him to ever match those earnings or to be a walking wallet either.


I have nothing to say to this, that is fine.


Of course, I mean who on Earth would feel happy to have a loyal partner in someone as inferior as a WG, right? They're lesser people, a far cry from those pristine sinless vanilla girls who may preach all day about "self-respect" whilst hooking up with some randoms off Tinder for absolutely nothing.


Where did you get that from my statement? The whole premise of most standard relationships is mutual exclusivity between partners,the guy does not get with other women and vice versa. You are already physically available for everyone that has the money to see you. Can your boyfriend have sex with other WGs and women aswell?  Do you honestly think his pride is not hurt that you have sex with other men no? That deep down he does not feel a type of way? Why can't you talk to him about how your day has gone with your punter customers? He just pretends it's not happenning right?


Loyalty means different things to different people. Of course we can disagree on the definition of it. For you it can mean she's locked in the house in a chastity belt and never even looks at another man. [/b]*For me and my partner*, loyalty is far beyond sexual. It means that if a punter or any man wants to push his number to my hand behind my partner's back, he gets a kick in the bollocks. It also means that I am able to cancel a high earning punt if this means being "there" for my partner when needed. Loyalty is also when he knows that no amount of cash and decent dicking is able to sway me away from him. Equally, I know that if a hot naked woman dances in front of his face, there is nothing to worry about as he is mine. Think about it next time the Mrs gets batshit mad when she catches you checking someone else out.

That is not worth anything in my eyes. Good for you.

Maybe it's just my view, but I'd rather be upfront and let him make an informed choice, rather than playing as some sort of Holy Virgin Mary to his face whilst going behind his back.
 

That is fine, I have no issues with that.


Sure, you can get the same from a non-WG woman. Go for it. But you cannot state unequivocally that a woman who is a sex worker couldn't possibly be capable of loyalty or be unworthy of a "normal" relationship. Because guess what, behind our sexy personas, quite a few of us are actually "normal". Chances are you already know "one of those" without even knowing it. I wonder if you'd say those things to her face if it turned out to be your daughter, your sister or a good female friend. Always interesting to see the change in tune when those worthless dirty hookers suddenly stop being just an abstract concept you can anonymously pick apart on the internet but materialise as someone you know.


I would say it to their face. I would not have a daughter or direct female relative ever sell themselves for money out of a financial need to do so. If they wanted to do it pure on the off chance they really enjoy it then I would talk to them about it and if that's what they really want I'll let them do it. But guess what...I'll be like your boyfriend and pretend that what ever activities is occurring does not happen.

Look, I understand that a lot of men are not able to see the WG as a person, stop defining her through the lenses of her job and just can't handle it. I understand that many men won't be able to look past all those cocks. That's perfectly fine.


I do see WGs as people when I interact with them, but I would never entertain the idea of a relationship with them, other guys aswell for many reasons as fellow punters have stated. There is just no benefit over getting a woman that is not a WG instead who possesses the same great qualities. This is what you don't seem to get, I am making reference to not dating WGs in regards to getting women who are not working girls instead as that is easier for men to deal with, they don't have to deal with "looking past all those cocks" like your boyfriend does.


How it works here? Well, I work a few days a month and don't see my guy every day. On days I do see him, there are no punts. I block time out for him. So if your imagination wandered to some dramatic image of me coming to him with smudgy makeup, torn stockings and getting kissy kissy whilst glazed over in spunk at the end of the day, like in some cuckold porn, sorry to disappoint :)


As to the quality of sex itself - of course it's better than paid sex. Why? Because there is mutual attraction, more time to explore preferences, it's natural, it's unconstricted, it's genuine and there is intimacy which won't be replicated by the best GFE for any amount of money. Again, apples and oranges.

Haha sorry but I can't think of an instance I was too tired to shag my guy. Why would I not want to put all the effort with someone I actually like? That'd be a sin :)


That's not really what I am getting at, my imagination did not go to that. It's good you can manage your time for your boyfriend. I'm happy you wrote this, atleast whiteknight punters can see that however they feel for WGs it really means nothing to the WG in question and no amount of money can get the best real GFE that they so seek. 


Yes, fortunately myself, and many of the fellow WGs I have made friends with over the years, do not fit the damning stereotypes that are present on this thread and also in the wider society. This is exactly why I have made my comment here in the first place. I do appreciate that a lot of guys do have bad experiences with WGs, and indeed some WGs do have drug abuse problems/mental health issues/messy lives that lead them to take this up as a profession, some are indeed unfit to have a relationship with. My point is - it's perhaps more sensible to look at each WG on individual basis, as opposed to tarring them with the same broad brush. Don't you know how society sees punters? Well, "normal people" may say that all punters are some greasy ugly creepy losers who cannot pull women "the normal way" so they have to pay for it. The "normal people" claim that "real men don't pay". And my all-time favourite: "good that hookers exist so the creeps and rapists can also have their release".


I have nothing to say here.


Not nice to hear that bullshit and get judged due to your hobby, is it? Then please do extend the same courtesy before defining women and judging their worth and capabilities as partners solely by their jobs. You don't know anything else about the woman selling sex apart from the fact she's selling sex. We, just like punters, come from all walks of life and backgrounds.

Peace  :drinks:

No one would look at me in real life and think I'm a punter. I don't match the "normal people" perception of punters and I am sure many other members do not either. Look, you can spout your views as much as you want and that is fine but there are more people like me than your accepting boyfriend. I hope your relationship lasts. Good luck.
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We can if you want, you're not a man so how will you convince me on what makes a man?
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She can't see it mate, she was banned 45 minutes ago.

I realised when my post was processed and saw she was banned. Oh well. 

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Very interesting to have the WGs perspective on the subject, does that happen often on this forum?

This WG posed a well composed and intelligent response, so assuming this level of smarts she may likely have her service provider true profile and will see the reponses.

Elephant in the room is large or słoń jest duży as they say in my language  :cool: :drinks: :cool:

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I realised when my post was processed and saw she was banned. Oh well.
Yeah looking at it you must've still been typing when she got banned.

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Yeah looking at it you must've still been typing when she got banned.

I was in the middle of playing an online poker tournament, so when I saw what she wrote it took me ages to process what she was saying and respond  :lol:.

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Very interesting to have the WGs perspective on the subject, does that happen often on this forum?

This WG posed a well composed and intelligent response, so assuming this level of smarts she may likely have her service provider true profile and will see the reponses.

Elephant in the room is large or słoń jest duży as they say in my language  :cool: :drinks: :cool:

Are you a WG aswell?


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Wow that went well.  Good job it's digital .. would have been an awful lot of wasted ink and paper in addition to the time spent :D

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Very interesting to have the WGs perspective on the subject, does that happen often on this forum?

This WG posed a well composed and intelligent response, so assuming this level of smarts she may likely have her service provider true profile and will see the reponses.

Elephant in the room is large or słoń jest duży as they say in my language  :cool: :drinks: :cool:

I'm definitely not a WG..... that's me on the left. :(

I also enjoyed the debate, but it soon became obvious that the two main protagonists were never going to agree.
Perhaps a bit of 'live and let live'

PS.... I'm a punter, and never thought that made me an abnormal person. :unknown:
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It's a bad idea for some but not others.
I choose not to.

Sorry if I over-simplify.

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Wow that went well.  Good job it's digital .. would have been an awful lot of wasted ink and paper in addition to the time spent :D

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Long story short: I am actually female and a WG who was able to successfully reconcile my job (and yes, it's just a job) with a long-term relationship.

After seeing this at first glace I was like damm.........................................

Then seeing this UKP member was a "bitter" service provider who is trying to justify being a WG while being in a relationship now banned from here kind of says it all really  :D.

Will read this later tomorrow.....
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She can't see it mate, she was banned 45 minutes ago.

Shame.  Her contribution was well made, interesting, polite, on topic to the thread and offered an alternative view point

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Shame.  Her contribution was well made, interesting, polite, on topic to the thread and offered an alternative view point

How? She did not even regard punters as a potential relationship choice at all which is understable from her point of view. This whole thread was about punting men dating WGs, not non-punting men. Did you not see that she saught a normal non-punting man and then got him to go with her gig? It confirms what I said of some punting men white knighting WGs and then WGs are not looking for said punting men who are defending them anyway in the first place...they go for non-punting men instead. So how does her post help you personally or any punter for the matter? Because she claimed she defended punters from time to time? Her well worded essay does not change the fact she "uses punters" as punters use WGs, no fake pandering of I defended punters from radical feminists  :dancegirl: will change anything of the main reality of her post, that being she did not consider a punting man as a relationship potential one bit.... punters are just customers in other words just £££££££ and rightly so it's just a transaction after all. However, does that not speak volumes to you?  Or any other punter that has a soft heart for these WG women? :dash:.

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How? She did not even regard punters as a potential relationship choice at all which is understable from her point of view. This whole thread was about punting men dating WGs, not non-punting men. Did you not see that she saught a normal non-punting man and then got him to go with her gig? It confirms what I said of some punting men white knighting WGs and then WGs are not looking for said punting men who are defending them anyway in the first place...they go for non-punting men instead. So how does her post help you personally or any punter for the matter? Because she claimed she defended punters from time to time? Her well worded essay does not change the fact she "uses punters" as punters use WGs, no fake pandering of I defended punters from radical feminists  :dancegirl: will change anything of the main reality of her post, that being she did not consider a punting man as a relationship potential one bit.... punters are just customers in other words just £££££££ and rightly so it's just a transaction after all. However, does that not speak volumes to you?  Or any other punter that has a soft heart for these WG women? :dash:.

I do agree with you that its surprising how some get attached to a WG but very unlikely that WG gets attached to the punter and almond made that case perfectly while highlighting the contradiction that her man was a real man because he could accept what she does. Whilst disassociation from it by not wanting to hear about it.


I also imagine almond has fake ties, hair, eyelashes, lips....maybe even a fake butt....but she wants a REAL man  :sarcastic:

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Nope as the saying goes "never wife a hoe". There is a lot wrong with former wgs, most men that gets into relationships with a wg are ones that are easy to walkover. No sane, strong minded man is going into a serious relationship with one unless you have been really mesmerised by the pussy, found yourself in a emotionally weak position.

Have a casual fling with one yes, but don't get involved.
I don’t get this analogy, like i’ve become friendly ish with a couple but I wouldn’t ever rule it out. If they genuinely want to stop and had a long term plan then why would I treat them any different to a “normal” lass? You make em sound like they are an alien species, they are human like anyone else.

It seems like the only ones that have a problem with this concept are the ones that have moralistic based views on being a hooker in the first place?
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The answer is quite simple. She belongs to the streets. Whether if she is a nice person, down to earth or an intellectual titan, it does not matter... go and find a chick like that who does not sell sex, they do exist. It's quite funny that men are ready to give a look in to any type of woman no matter her situation but when the table is flipped those same women they would give a chance would ignore that man.

People are ignoring their initial instincts focusing on the one positive they can grasp onto in a sea of negatives and then wondering how they end up in messed up situations in the future.

Men willing to enter such an entanglement are setting themselves up for heartbreak and I do not feel sorry for any of them. It's as bad as nice girls that fall for the typical bad guy that uses the girl for everything and dumps them, leaving them an emotional wreck. Take it how you will.

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All hookers belong to the streets? So that’s even incall workers? Thought there wasn’t any misogyny on here man   :lol:
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I don’t get this analogy, like i’ve become friendly ish with a couple but I wouldn’t ever rule it out. If they genuinely want to stop and had a long term plan then why would I treat them any different to a “normal” lass? You make em sound like they are an alien species, they are human like anyone else.

It seems like the only ones that have a problem with this concept are the ones that have moralistic based views on being a hooker in the first place?

Go and find one and have a " happy fun loving "honest " relationship but don't cry when you get FLEECED
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Go and find one and have a " happy fun loving "honest " relationship but don't cry when you get FLEECED
It’s not on my agenda but why do you think it’s impossible?

Makes me think what about if you were dating someone for 3/6/12 months and had a happy, fun, loving and honest relationship and then they told you about their hooker past but you’d already fallen in love with them? While nothing was negative in the relationship expect that revelation? Wouldn’t that then prove all the stuff about about a hooker always being a hooker and that they are all damaged goods false? Would like to know how people would react in that situation. Might need a new thread.
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All hookers belong to the streets? So that’s even incall workers? Thought there wasn’t any misogyny on here man   :lol:

You joined this site to bump an old post of mine to white knight with no reviews huh? Are you thinking straight?

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You joined this site to bump an old post of mine to white knight with no reviews huh? Are you thinking straight?
What’s a white knight? I’m just saying what I think
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You joined this site to bump an old post of mine to white knight with no reviews huh? Are you thinking straight?
I did not realise you were not allowed to post without having reviews? Is that standard? You suggest the thread is old but it had a post on Jan 5th?
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I did not realise you were not allowed to post without having reviews? Is that standard? You suggest the thread is old but it had a post on Jan 5th?
There is no requirement to post reviews before commenting on a thread and as you have only been a member for a few days it is unfair to expect you to have posted any.

However you have joined the site and one of the first things you do is call a very well established member, with 84 reviews to his name, a misogynist. Not only that but you have dragged up his post from July last year to do so. That is why he made the comments he did.

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There is no requirement to post reviews before commenting on a thread and as you have only been a member for a few days it is unfair to expect you to have posted any.

However you have joined the site and one of the first things you do is call a very well established member, with 84 reviews to his name, a misogynist. Not only that but you have dragged up his post from July last year to do so. That is why he made the comments he did.

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Sorry really didn’t think of it like that. Just read it and replied what I thought :hi:
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Sorry really didn’t think of it like that. Just read it and replied what I thought :hi:
Apart from anything else you have taken the saying literally which is out of context. Perhaps if you checked or educated yourself a little bit before jumping in you would find that the saying comes from the book NIGGALATIONS: The Lost book of Ghetto Philosophers.  It is also known as She Is For The Streets, it is a slang expression used to accuse women of being sexually promiscuous.

Nothing misogynistic about it. This thread is about dating a prostitute who by definition is promiscuous.
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Apart from anything else you have taken the saying literally which is out of context. Perhaps if you checked or educated yourself a little bit before jumping in you would find that the saying comes from the book NIGGALATIONS: The Lost book of Ghetto Philosophers.  It is also known as She Is For The Streets, it is a slang expression used to accuse women of being sexually promiscuous.

Nothing misogynistic about it. This thread is about dating a prostitute who by definition is promiscuous.

Thank you for explaining to him. That poster fully thought I meant the women belong on the actual streets. If he bothered to read the full thread he probably would not have commented in the first place. The least he could do if he wanted to call me out, was find out the context of what I meant by reading the thread properly and propose an arugment as to why I am wrong. Instead he was too eager to defend his princesses, rushed foward into battle only to trip and fall on his own sword  :dash:.

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Thank you for explaining to him. That poster fully thought I meant the women belong on the actual streets. If he bothered to read the full thread he probably would not have commented in the first place. The least he could do if he wanted to call me out, was find out the context of what I meant by reading the thread properly and propose an arugment as to why I am wrong. Instead he was too eager to defend his princesses, rushed foward into battle only to trip and fall on his own sword  :dash:.
Princesses? I prefer them to to be dirty bitches to be fair  :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Thank you for explaining to him. That poster fully thought I meant the women belong on the actual streets. If he bothered to read the full thread he probably would not have commented in the first place. The least he could do if he wanted to call me out, was find out the context of what I meant by reading the thread properly and propose an arugment as to why I am wrong. Instead he was too eager to defend his princesses, rushed foward into battle only to trip and fall on his own sword  :dash:.
Not a problem, newbies, you've got to love them. Why they don't have a good look around and get a feel for the place before jumping in I'll never know.   :unknown:

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What's the difference between a girl who gets paid to have sex with men and girls who do it for free?

I'm a younger guy and in my experience, every girl I know is tainted with multiple partners. Flings, boyfriends, whatever you want to call it, it's not monogamy because monogamy is a for a lifetime

I honestly don't see the difference between a civvie girl and a pro.

Of course, 40 year olds will tell you otherwise, but we are not living in the 70s or 80s anymore.

Long term monogamous relationships are hard to find. Hook up culture is the new norm.
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Long term monogamous relationships are hard to find. Hook up culture is the new norm.

i get your meaning, but a girl who wants to make £300 and has spent £100 on the room and can get £75 for hh or £150/hr - she's porking more than an easy civvie.  Or she's out of business.

Well, unless you have a much more free and easy social life.

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What's the difference between a girl who gets paid to have sex with men and girls who do it for free?

I'm a younger guy and in my experience, every girl I know is tainted with multiple partners. Flings, boyfriends, whatever you want to call it, it's not monogamy because monogamy is a for a lifetime

I honestly don't see the difference between a civvie girl and a pro.

Of course, 40 year olds will tell you otherwise, but we are not living in the 70s or 80s anymore.

Long term monogamous relationships are hard to find. Hook up culture is the new norm.

Oh boy another one LOL. There's plenty of younger guys including myself that do not have your view. There's a big difference between a civvy and a pro. You know what, go make a pro your GF and let us know your experience on how that goes.  :thumbsup:.

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What's the difference between a girl who gets paid to have sex with men and girls who do it for free?

I'm a younger guy and in my experience, every girl I know is tainted with multiple partners. Flings, boyfriends, whatever you want to call it, it's not monogamy because monogamy is a for a lifetime

I honestly don't see the difference between a civvie girl and a pro.

Of course, 40 year olds will tell you otherwise, but we are not living in the 70s or 80s anymore.

Long term monogamous relationships are hard to find. Hook up culture is the new norm.
A 24 year old doing it for free wouldn't be shagging me, I've got grandkids older.  How many civvies do you know who have between 1 and say 10 different partners per day. There's promiscuity and there's escorting, there's a whole world of difference. 

Civvies shag because they want to, escorts shag because they are paid to.
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i get your meaning, but a girl who wants to make £300 and has spent £100 on the room and can get £75 for hh or £150/hr - she's porking more than an easy civvie.  Or she's out of business.

Well, unless you have a much more free and easy social life.

What about girls in uni who are "partying" i.e. gang bangs and casual fun?

Personally, I don't care if you have a body count of 10 or 100. It's all the same to me at that point. That's like asking someone do you want to get shot in the head by a revolver or an assault rifle. What does it matter? I'm gonna get shot in the head either way lol.

Studies have been done that show that women who have multiple sex partners in their lives are not able to sustain long term relationships and are more likely to get a divorce. Go figure.
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A 24 year old doing it for free wouldn't be shagging me, I've got grandkids older.  How many civvies do you know who have between 1 and say 10 different partners per day. There's promiscuity and there's escorting, there's a whole world of difference. 

Civvies shag because they want to, escorts shag because they are paid to.

What the difference between having 30 partners or 300?

Are you acting like 30 is a good score? Is that what you consider wifey material?

LOL.

Here's one for you. I know a civvie girl who admitted to me she slept with 39 different partners throughout university alone. Would you wife her?

*Civvies shag because they want to, escorts shag because they are paid to.*

^ Totally unimportant and irrelevant.
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What the difference between having 30 partners or 300?

Are you acting like 30 is a good score? Is that what you consider wifey material?

LOL.

Here's one for you. I know a civvie girl who admitted to me she slept with 39 different partners throughout university alone. Would you wife her?

*Civvies shag because they want to, escorts shag because they are paid to.*

^ Totally unimportant and irrelevant.
I've got no idea what you are prattling on about with, "would you wife her" read the thread and find out who has said what. Oh wow a whole 39 partners during several years at university, some escorts do that in 3 days.

However you are new to the site and you have not got a clue so I'll make allowance and leave you to your own little world.

Bollocks nearly forgot LOL
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What's the difference between a girl who gets paid to have sex with men and girls who do it for free?

I'm a younger guy and in my experience, every girl I know is tainted with multiple partners. Flings, boyfriends, whatever you want to call it, it's not monogamy because monogamy is a for a lifetime

I honestly don't see the difference between a civvie girl and a pro.

Of course, 40 year olds will tell you otherwise, but we are not living in the 70s or 80s anymore.

Long term monogamous relationships are hard to find. Hook up culture is the new norm.

Really, lovely word and mindset  so a woman having multiple partners  before she settles down is tainted

What about a man........is he tainted too......no? Ah maybe he's just a stud....yes?

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Oh boy another one LOL. There's plenty of younger guys including myself that do not have your view. There's a big difference between a civvy and a pro. You know what, go make a pro your GF and let us know your experience on how that goes.  :thumbsup:.

I was more alluding to the fact that they all belong to the streets but I'm not here to impress you or become "another one" or whatever vendetta you expound against people on here that don't conform to your views.

You do you. Boyo.
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Really, lovely word and mindset  so a woman having multiple partners  before she settles down is tainted

What about a man........is he tainted too......no? Ah maybe he's just a stud....yes?

 :dash:

I'm not saying it though. Read the studies. There have been studies done on it. Don't shoot the messenger.

Actually no, the man is not tainted. Men are polygynous. The more women a man has, the more attractive he is seen to other women. That's just the way it is. But with women it has the adverse effect.
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I'm not saying it though. Read the studies. There have been studies done on it. Don't shoot the messenger.

Actually no, the man is not tainted. Men are polygynous. The more women a man has, the more attractive he is seen to other women. That's just the way it is. But with women it has the adverse effect.
The more you post the more you show how clueless you are about this game. A civvy who sleeps around is viewed in a totally different light to escorts and one can't be compared to the other.

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I see you are also using a phrase I suspect you had not even heard of before as well.
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I'm not saying it though. Read the studies. There have been studies done on it. Don't shoot the messenger.

Actually no, the man is not tainted. Men are polygynous. The more women a man has, the more attractive he is seen to other women. That's just the way it is. But with women it has the adverse effect.

Bollocks  :hi: