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My opinion Australia Steve Waugh side would be gutsy.. give a good fight but to no avail..
Shane Warne, Steve Waugh Adam Gilchrist.. wow what players...

That West Indies side I love watching archive footage of them.. My favourites the great Viv Richards and Micheal Holding...

I reckon Viv Richards would of destroyed Glenn Mcgrath...
Ricky Ponting vs Andy Roberts would of been a great dual..

In the fielding department both teams neck and neck..
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My opinion Australia Steve Waugh side would be gutsy.. give a good fight but to no avail..
Shane Warne, Steve Waugh Adam Gilchrist.. wow what players...

That West Indies side I love watching archive footage of them.. My favourites the great Viv Richards and Micheal Holding...

I reckon Viv Richards would of destroyed Glenn Mcgrath...
Ricky Ponting vs Andy Roberts would of been a great dual..

In the fielding department both teams neck and neck..

I always felt the Westies could do better in the fielding dept, but would be great to match them against some of today's. Still think Viv Richards would be in the top 3 or 4.
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I always felt the Westies could do better in the fielding dept, but would be great to match them against some of today's. Still think Viv Richards would be in the top 3 or 4.

To me Viv Richards is the most aggressive quick scoring batsmen that has ever been.. only Kevin Pietersen in the most recent times could remotely be near him..

And Ian Botham too along with Lance Cairns the other two brutal run scorers (even though classified as all rounders)
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The  two best sides to ever play Test cricket. :thumbsup:

Both different, but strangely similar: the Windies were all about flamboyance, flair and power. The Aussies were aggressive, ruthless, relentless and supremely self confident.

I'd say the only blemish was the incredible Kolkata test match I 1999, in which Dravid and Laxman put on one of the greatest ever reear guard batting partnerships after being asked to follow on.
I think if Australia had won that test they would've broken the Windies record of consecutive wins?

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I wouldn't have fancied facing the wi attack of holding Marshall Roberts and Gibbs. Didnt england lose something like 15 to 20 consecutive tests to them? And if that's not enough they have grenidge and Richards in response

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I always felt the Westies could do better in the fielding dept, but would be great to match them against some of today's. Still think Viv Richards would be in the top 3 or 4.
I'd say Australia edged it- pardon the pun  :D.

When you look at their fielding, they had probably the greatest slip fielder ever in Mark Waugh, plus Mark Taylor, Ricky Ponting, Warney who was excellent at 2nd slip and Hayden in the gully.

Throw in David Boon pulling off blinders at short leg, plus total freaks like Andrew Symonds catching everything.

And that's before you even factor in two world class keepers in Ian Healey and Adam Gilchrist  :hi:

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The  two best sides to ever play Test cricket. :thumbsup:

Both different, but strangely similar: the Windies were all about flamboyance, flair and power. The Aussies were aggressive, ruthless, relentless and supremely self confident.

I'd say the only blemish was the incredible Kolkata test match I 1999, in which Dravid and Laxman put on one of the greatest ever reear guard batting partnerships after being asked to follow on.
I think if Australia had won that test they would've broken the Windies record of consecutive wins?

I read Steve Waugh book a few years back, and he admitted he based his Australian team around the West Indies side.. he based it on there arrogance, intimidation, the chewing of gum, the in your face attitude.. he says he was very fortunate to play them at the beginning of his career and he loved to observe there brand of ruthless cricket which he transited into his Australian side when he became captain..
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I read Steve Waugh book a few years back, and he admitted he based his Australian team around the West Indies side.. he based it on there arrogance, intimidation, the chewing of gum, the in your face attitude.. he says he was very fortunate to play them at the beginning of his career and he loved to observe there brand of ruthless cricket which he transited into his Australian side when he became captain..
Steve Waugh IS Australian cricket for me. He epitomises the absolutely uncompromising, utterly ruthless mentality that Australia is famed for.
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I'd say Australia edged it - pardon the pun  :D.


Surely you mean Australia sledged it?  :D (Pardon the second pun  :P).

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Surely you mean Australia sledged it?  :D (Pardon the second pun  :P).

You mean like this....

Mark Waugh- "Look who it is. Mate, what are you doing out here? There's no way you're good enough to play for England."

Ormond responded:

"Maybe not, but at least I'm the best player in my family."

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Yes, his brother Evelyn was far better  :D

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viv richards was a gladiator, from memory the bbc news announced midway in a broadcast that his wicket had fallen
a true giant

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that was in a test against england in england

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viv richards was a gladiator, from memory the bbc news announced midway in a broadcast that his wicket had fallen
a true giant

shows the heavyweight magnitude of this super great legendary giant.. KING VIV
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That West Indies team from the mid 1970’s on is the main reason that I love cricket. They had style, pace, and dominated in all aspects of the game. Sir Viv and the late Malcolm Marshall are two of my favourite ever cricketers.

The Australian side was good but not great. England won the odd Ashes test back then - Edgbaston 1997 etc but we never beat the West Indies until Gooch came along as captain, and by then West Indian cricket was in decline. I also think that Australian side pushed things too far, they continued to do so until their cheating was exposed in 2018.

Holding, Roberts, Garner and Marshall would have been unplayable on the fast Aussie pitches and that batting line up would have taken the Aussies apart. I’d pay good money to see that! Plus I’m English and can never give the Crims too much credit!

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If I remember rightly, looking at cricket scorecards ( :D), in the WI vs, Australia series in Aus in 1975(?), in one test Roy Fredericks opened the batting with 'all rounder' Bernard Julian (used to play for Kent IIRC) and they put on something like 130 at 10 an over - now that's what I call test match batting.  :dance:

.... of course, it didn't do them much good, as the Aussies won the series 5-1 IIRC.  :D

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It was the series against Australia in 75 and WI in 76 that got me into cricket. It's easy to forget that although 76 was the longest, driest summer ever, 75 was also pretty good. I hadn't taken any interest in cricket prior to these series.
If anything the Windies got better for the next few years. Holding, Garner, Marshall and Roberts were all brilliant bowlers, they also had some decent back up bowlers, although they didn't have a spinner in the class or Warne, but then no one did. Holding was actually poetry in motion. So four world class bowlers plus world class batsmen in Richards and Greenidge, also Clive Loyd who was coming to the end. Then there was also  Desmond Haynes who replaced Fredericks as Greenidge's opening partner and I thought was better. Whilst I also thought Kallicharan was brilliant.
They of course also had several more world class players to come in Lara, Ambrose and Walsh, whilst Ritchie Richardson was also excellent.

However, I think the great Aussie team of the late 90's early 00's might have edged them as they had almost a whole team of world class players coming together at the same time
The Waugh twins, Ponting, Hayden, Gilchrist, Warne and Mgrath were all undoubtedly world class. That's seven for a start. Then there were others such as Langer and Brett Lee who weren't far short.
The advantage of having virtually a whole team of world class players rather than relying on a couple is that there is almost always someone to turn it on in every match

I don't think the Windies were used to being behind so they may have folded. I believe they were actually thrashed in a test by Australia in the mid 70's, and that was a weaker Aussie side than the later one.
Overlooked of course are the great South African team of the late 60's who thrashed a strong Australian team in 1970. What players they had who either didn't play many tests or missed out completely: Graham Pollock, who I never saw, Barry Richards who opened the batting for Hampshire with Gordon Greenidge (what an opening partnership), Mike Proctor fabulous all rounder for Gloucesteshire, Clive Rice ditto Notts, Eddie Barlow who came to Derbyshire although I thought he seemed to be well past his best. Then brilliant later players like the great batsman Peter Kirsten who also played for Derbyshire and did play some tests at the very end of his career and the fast bowler Garth Le Roux.
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That West Indies team from the mid 1970’s on is the main reason that I love cricket. They had style, pace, and dominated in all aspects of the game. Sir Viv and the late Malcolm Marshall are two of my favourite ever cricketers.

The Australian side was good but not great. England won the odd Ashes test back then - Edgbaston 1997 etc but we never beat the West Indies until Gooch came along as captain, and by then West Indian cricket was in decline. I also think that Australian side pushed things too far, they continued to do so until their cheating was exposed in 2018.

Holding, Roberts, Garner and Marshall would have been unplayable on the fast Aussie pitches and that batting line up would have taken the Aussies apart. I’d pay good money to see that! Plus I’m English and can never give the Crims too much credit!

for myself and i adore watching them..

all rounders
Ian Botham
Lance Cairns
Jaques Kallis
Imran Khan

Bowlers
Michael Holding
Dennis Lillee
Dale Steyn
Richard Hadlee
Waqar Younis

Batsmen
1st obviously the Great King VIV
kevin pietersen
Chris Gayle
david Gower
Graham Gooch
Steve Waugh
Adam Gilchrist
Mohd Yousaf
VVS Laxman
Virat Kolhi


all my favourite players...
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It was the series against Australia in 75 and WI in 76 that got me into cricket. It's easy to forget that although 76 was the longest, driest summer ever, 75 was also pretty good. I hadn't taken any interest in cricket prior to these series.
If anything the Windies got better for the next few years. Holding, Garner, Marshall and Roberts were all brilliant bowlers, they also had some decent back up bowlers, although they didn't have a spinner in the class or Warne, but then no one did. Holding was actually poetry in motion. So four world class bowlers plus world class batsmen in Richards and Greenidge, also Clive Loyd who was coming to the end. Then there was also  Desmond Haynes who replaced Fredericks as Greenidge's opening partner and I thought was better. Whilst I also thought Kallicharan was brilliant.
They of course also had several more world class players to come in Lara, Ambrose and Walsh, whilst Ritchie Richardson was also excellent.

However, I think the great Aussie team of the late 90's early 00's might have edged them as they had almost a whole team of world class players coming together at the same time
The Waugh twins, Ponting, Hayden, Gilchrist, Warne and Mgrath were all undoubtedly world class. That's seven for a start. Then there were others such as Langer and Brett Lee who weren't far short.
The advantage of having virtually a whole team of world class players rather than relying on a couple is that there is almost always someone to turn it on in every match

I don't think the Windies were used to being behind so they may have folded. I believe they were actually thrashed in a test by Australia in the mid 70's, and that was a weaker Aussie side than the later one.
Overlooked of course are the great South African team of the late 60's who thrashed a strong Australian team in 1970. What players they had who either didn't play many tests or missed out completely: Graham Pollock, who I never saw, Barry Richards who opened the batting for Hampshire with Gordon Greenidge (what an opening partnership), Mike Proctor fabulous all rounder for Gloucesteshire, Clive Rice ditto Notts, Eddie Barlow who came to Derbyshire although I thought he seemed to be well past his best. Then brilliant later players like the great batsman Peter Kirsten who also played for Derbyshire and did play some tests at the very end of his career and the fast bowler Garth Le Roux.
I'd agree with this. That Windies team from the late 70' to the early 90's were awesome and set the template for modern day cricket IMHO.

However, the Aussies had several once in a lifetime cricketers in Warne, Gilchrist and Mcgrath and Ponting .

Allied to that the Waugh brothers, Ian Healy, Justin Langer, Matthew Hayden, Brett Lee, Stuart Magill, Damien Martyn, Mark Taylor, Andrew Symonds and a whole host of world class players who struggled to either be regulars or even get in the side.  :hi:


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I'd agree with this. That Windies team from the late 70' to the early 90's were awesome and set the template for modern day cricket IMHO.

However, the Aussies had several once in a lifetime cricketers in Warne, Gilchrist and Mcgrath and Ponting .

Allied to that the Waugh brothers, Ian Healy, Justin Langer, Matthew Hayden, Brett Lee, Stuart Magill, Damien Martyn, Mark Taylor, Andrew Symonds and a whole host of world class players who struggled to either be regulars or even get in the side.  :hi:

You forgot Jason Gillespie.. awesome bowler..
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You forgot Jason Gillespie.. awesome bowler..
Yes, of course, absolutely superb before the injuries took their toll. And today a successful and admired coach :thumbsup:

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Two great teams, edge for me goes to the Windies but only just. A combined team, now that would have been something:

Greenidge (WI)
Haynes (WI)
Ponting (Aus)
Richards (WI)
Lloyd (WI, capt)
S Waugh (Aus)
Gilchrist (Aus, wkt)
Warne (Aus)
Marshall (WI)
Ambrose (WI)
McGrath (Aus)

You could make at least one other all time great 11 from those I've missed.

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Home team advantage would probably be the deciding factor

In Australia pitches would be designed for Shane as spin is the area which the Windies dont have any strength

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Two great teams, edge for me goes to the Windies but only just. A combined team, now that would have been something:

Greenidge (WI)
Haynes (WI)
Ponting (Aus)
Richards (WI)
Lloyd (WI, capt)
S Waugh (Aus)
Gilchrist (Aus, wkt)
Warne (Aus)
Marshall (WI)
Ambrose (WI)
McGrath (Aus)

You could make at least one other all time great 11 from those I've missed.

A great selection.  :thumbsup:

Here's my  team from those you've missed

Langer (AUS)
Hayden (AUS)
Richardson (WI, Capt)
M Waugh (AUS)
Hooper (AUS)
Healy(AUS, Wkt)
MacGill (AUS)
Gillepise (AUS)
Walsh (WI)
Holding (WI)
Garner(WI)
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A great selection.  :thumbsup:

Here's my  team from those you've missed

Langer (AUS)
Hayden (AUS)
Richardson (WI, Capt)
M Waugh (AUS)
Hooper (AUS)
Healy(AUS, Wkt)
MacGill (AUS)
Gillepise (AUS)
Walsh (WI)
Holding (WI)
Garner(WI)


one player who was very underrated, was a thorn to the opposition was the left hander Larry Gomes...
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A great selection.  :thumbsup:

Here's my  team from those you've missed

Langer (AUS)
Hayden (AUS)
Richardson (WI, Capt)
M Waugh (AUS)
Hooper (AUS)
Healy(AUS, Wkt)
MacGill (AUS)
Gillepise (AUS)
Walsh (WI)
Holding (WI)
Garner(WI)

And still no place for Michael Slater, Damien Martyn, Larry Gomes, Jeff Dujon, Bret Lee, Andy Roberts or Colin Croft! Both teams were loaded with talent.

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And still no place for Michael Slater, Damien Martyn, Larry Gomes, Jeff Dujon, Bret Lee, Andy Roberts or Colin Croft! Both teams were loaded with talent.
Or Mark Taylor, Michael Bevan, Alvin Kallicharan,Roger Harper, or Phil Simmons

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i am not a great cricket fan but from memory the south african team around this time would have given anyone a good game
they had players like barry richards, mike proctor and eddie barlow etc
they were banned for obvious reasons
i have been to south africa and seen mandelas cell
pretty disgusting ,cant blame the players for the regime
would they have troubled the west indies /austrailians


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Of course in the 1980s  Australia had that famous transexual fast bowler Lily-Ann Thompson

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Of course in the 1980s  Australia had that famous transexual fast bowler Lily-Ann Thompson


It is a gentleman sport.. we don't have that kind in this sport...

Jeff Thompson/Shoaib Akhtar one of them is the fastest ever..
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It is a gentleman sport.. we don't have that kind in this sport...

Jeff Thompson/Shoaib Akhtar one of them is the fastest ever..
Or Shaun Tait?  :unknown:

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It is a gentleman sport.. we don't have that kind in this sport...

Jeff Thompson/Shoaib Akhtar one of them is the fastest ever..

faster than Lillie?

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faster than Lillie?

If just checked and the top 5 are Shoab Akhtar, Shaun Tait, Brett Lee, Mitchell Starc, Andy Roberts and Jeff Thompson

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faster than Lillie?

Yes, Thomo was way quicker back in the day. I think he's still the fastest bowler ever clocked on a speed gun though it was 1970s tech.

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Yes, Thomo was way quicker back in the day. I think he's still the fastest bowler ever clocked on a speed gun though it was 1970s tech.
I think Shoaib Akhtar's the fastest, at just over 100, closely followed by Shaun Tait and Brett Lee?

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Brian Lara, Courtney Walsh, Brett Lee. That's all I've got to say.

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Shoaib is acknowledged to have bowled the fastest ball although I think Jofra Archer has it in him if he can stay fit and interested.

Thompson was quick but his career was blighted with injuries. Medical care Back then for fast bowlers was a million miles away from what we have today, if Thompson had stayed fit then for his era he was probably streets ahead of everyone else.

Malcolm Marshall was probably the best though. West Indian pace with the skill and guile of a McGrath or a Jimmy Anderson. He was breathtaking to watch!

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Shoaib is acknowledged to have bowled the fastest ball although I think Jofra Archer has it in him if he can stay fit and interested.

Thompson was quick but his career was blighted with injuries. Medical care Back then for fast bowlers was a million miles away from what we have today, if Thompson had stayed fit then for his era he was probably streets ahead of everyone else.

Malcolm Marshall was probably the best though. West Indian pace with the skill and guile of a McGrath or a Jimmy Anderson. He was breathtaking to watch!
I'd say Mark Wood as well. The spell he bowled on his comeback was mega quick.  :thumbsup:
But I totally get your point about injuries. Fast bowling is brutal on the body. Funny that Shaun Tait had similar injuries to Thommo. I guess it's related to their slingy actions putting so much stress on their joints?  :unknown:
I think Mitchell Johnson, who had that skingy action as well also suffered quite a few stress fractures.

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faster than Lillie?

yes... i even would say malcolm Marshall was at whisker quicker than Lillee..
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If just checked and the top 5 are Shoab Akhtar, Shaun Tait, Brett Lee, Mitchell Starc, Andy Roberts and Jeff Thompson

out of the above only Andy Roberts was very consistantly accurate, the others at time were very erratic very frequently..
And it shows in the averages per wicket..
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It is a gentleman sport.. we don't have that kind in this sport...


You'll be saying there's no gay cricketers next.

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Shoaib is acknowledged to have bowled the fastest ball although I think Jofra Archer has it in him if he can stay fit and interested.


I used to watch Shoaib when he played for Durham and when he could be arsed he was fearsome although his bowling action was dodgy to day the least.

On the subject of the 1980s Windies team against the late 90s I think the Aussie batsmen would have shit themselves facing Roberts/Holding/Croft/Marshall/Garner and the most fearsome of them all Sylvester Clark with the sort of batting equipment or lack of it they had in 70s/80s.

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for myself and i adore watching them..

all rounders

Lance Cairns


His son Chris was vastly superior to Lance who spent most of his time playing club cricket in NE England and occasionally for Durham when they were a minor county...I only know because I used to watch him as teenager.

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shows the heavyweight magnitude of this super great legendary giant.. KING VIV

I've seen many fast bowlers intimidate batsmen over the years  but Viv is the only batsman I've seen genuinely intimidate fast bowlers.

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I've seen many fast bowlers intimidate batsmen over the years  but Viv is the only batsman I've seen genuinely intimidate fast bowlers.
KP?  :unknown:

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I've seen many fast bowlers intimidate batsmen over the years  but Viv is the only batsman I've seen genuinely intimidate fast bowlers.

Footage of The King in his pomp, the real carnage starts at around the 6 minute mark:

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Footage of The King in his pomp, the real carnage starts at around the 6 minute mark:

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 isaw that when i was young.. i will always remember Neil Foster scratching his head in dismay after being hammered all over the place..
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Speaking of fast bowlers, what about another of my local county players  - Devon Malcom, extremely fast & unplayable on the right wicket on his day, but as often as not poor & expensive.

I always used to wonder why Malcolm with a West Indian accent was qualified to play for England, whilst Gordon Greenidge with an English accent played for West Indies.