Are you going to hit the pub on "Independence day" July 4th

[Moby Dick]

"Groups of two only." Not  a lot of good if you're on your lonesome then?

You could always Stay at home and write some reveiws

[Plan R]

Nope, I will be waiting several weeks for rush of idiots to dies down, Ive still not been for a Maccys yet as I refuse to que 45m at my local dive through.
The only thing Im waiting for is a return to punting.

Very wise. I agree (judging by the beach debacles) lots of young and not-so-young idiots will go ape-shit for the first 2wks.
But after a week or two I might try a daytime pub garden for a sneaky pint in a sleepy boozer.
However the Fri/Sat night, noisy pub-with-live-band scene which I love(d), is a long forgotten dream, as is punting at the mo
 

[scutty brown]

You could always Stay at home and write some reveiws

Whats he going to review - his right hand?

[webpunter]

I'm thinking left, after he sits on it for a while
His right hand is for flicking thru Awank so he can think about imaginary punts

Whats he going to review - his right hand?

[latecomer]

My locals are all broadcasting their ‘COVID secure’ precautions. They are all planning:

Advance bookings only
Two hour slots
Groups of 2 plus only (so single people aren’t table blocking)
ID gathered and stored in a GDPR secure manner

One pub, a micro pub is also going to measure temperatures of all customers.

I’ve been counting the days till I can get back to the pub. With all of the above, no fucking way. And whatever the initial rush might be, they will be soon empty as long as all that bollocks persists.

My view exactly.  I'll enjoy going back to something resembling a real pub, but this?  Sounds like a real bundle of laughs.  Do our "leaders" have any real idea of how normal people live?

[wombat42]

My locals are all broadcasting their ‘COVID secure’ precautions. They are all planning:

Advance bookings only
Two hour slots
Groups of 2 plus only (so single people aren’t table blocking)
ID gathered and stored in a GDPR secure manner

One pub, a micro pub is also going to measure temperatures of all customers.

I’ve been counting the days till I can get back to the pub. With all of the above, no fucking way. And whatever the initial rush might be, they will be soon empty as long as all that bollocks persists.

Where is this information "broadcast"? How wd you make a booking ?

[winkywanky]

Whats he going to review - his right hand?

It's a man's best friend, even your dog won't do that for you.

(I hope    ).

[Rochelle]

Would love to visit a beer garden sometime next week for my birthday. The weather should be nice.

[winkywanky]

Would love to visit a beer garden sometime next week for my birthday. The weather should be nice.

Are we all invited Rochelle? 

[LLPunting]

Would love to visit a beer garden sometime next week for my birthday. The weather should be nice.

Will you be dispensing any birthday treats?

[LLPunting]

It's a man's best friend, even your dog won't do that for you.

(I hope    ).

A dog'll lick anything given the right incentive but best be quick in case it starts gnawing.

[winkywanky]

Apparently a small dob of paté does the trick, but of course I wouldn't know personally   

[Rochelle]

Are we all invited Rochelle? 

Discretion innit.

Will you be dispensing any birthday treats?

I've gone up to a size 14 during lockdown so not sure people would want any treats.

I was looking forward to enjoying Wimbledon, and going for my birthday. I guess a beer garden will have to do this year.

[winkywanky]

Discretion innit.

I've gone up to a size 14 during lockdown so not sure people would want any treats.

I was looking forward to enjoying Wimbledon, and going for my birthday. I guess a beer garden will have to do this year.

As the saying goes, discretion assured.

I think size 14 is well within the 'treats' category...of course though, it might depend on where you put on the weight  .

[Moby Dick]

Whats he going to review - his right hand?

Punts before lockdown.

[berksboy]

I see one of my local pubs is holding back untill the 6th July , a wise move i think.

[sparkus]

This weekend will be carnage (as the police have already resigned themselves to).  Look at the beaches recently.

Crowds will descend on pubs and not be able to get in due to not only reduced capacity but also not all pubs reopening.  Gonna be a lot of disappointed people who will get tanked up on booze from offys and drink nearby then try and commit several months' of pent up 'legend' antics.

[catweazle]

There's only one pub nearby, and two large new build estates. The pub is quite large with a good sized beer garden, and a nice decking area, only completed a few months before lockdown. It will be manic at first, so, no, I'm not rushing on Saturday.

[JamesKW]

Dont know why they havent already opened,I walk past a couple of pubs which have been open everyday for the last four weeks,the only proviso is you cant drink right in front of the building

[GingerNuts]

Dont know why they havent already opened,I walk past a couple of pubs which have been open everyday for the last four weeks,the only proviso is you cant drink right in front of the building

They're not open in the same they can be from 4th July, you can't drink inside or in the beer garden. They're offering a takeaway service.

[Doc Holliday]

If you are desperate to go to a pub and you live in any of the areas below I would do so during the next week, as they are all showing rises in cases and may end up closed again as in Leicester? 

Beer gardens should be safe, but are of course weather dependent. Personally I would avoid spending any length of time in small enclosed pubs especially if operating at a one metre distance policy.

Barking and Dagenham
Brent
Derbyshire
Doncaster
Ealing
Enfield
Gateshead
Gloucestershire
Hammersmith and Fulham
Barking and Dagenham
Brent
Derbyshire
Doncaster
Haringey
Harrow
Havering
Hounslow
Isle of Wight
Kensington and Chelsea
Leicester
Medway
Milton Keynes
Plymouth
Portsmouth
Redbridge
Redcar and Cleveland
Richmond upon Thames
Sandwell
Slough
Suffolk
Sunderland
Tower Hamlets
Wakefield
Walsall
Wandsworth
Westminster
Wigan
Wiltshire
Windsor and Maidenhead
York

[winkywanky]

...Doc, have you ever considered being a contributor at one of the Covid Briefings?

I don't want to big you up too much (and I'm sure it wouldn't go to your head  ) but I can't help thinking you'd be a lot better than most of the fuckwits they've had so far, and that's not even just the politicians  .

[winkywanky]

If you are desperate to go to a pub and you live in any of the areas below I would do so during the next week, as they are all showing rises in cases and may end up closed again as in Leicester? 

Beer gardens should be safe, but are of course weather dependent. Personally I would avoid spending any length of time in small enclosed pubs especially if operating at a one metre distance policy.

Barking and Dagenham
Brent

Ealing
Enfield

Hammersmith and Fulham
Barking and Dagenham
Brent

Haringey
Harrow
Havering
Hounslow

Kensington and Chelsea

Redbridge

Richmond upon Thames

Tower Hamlets

Walsall
Wandsworth
Westminster

Excuse my lack of knowledge of London Boroughs, but are all those not north of the river? Or at the very least, not really considered to be in Sarf London?

I find that quite interesting.

And I would be fascinated to learn of the reasons behind some of the localised outbreaks, and whether there is any kind of specific pattern behind them?

[The Film Director]

Excuse my lack of knowledge of London Boroughs, but are all those not north of the river? Or at the very least, not really considered to be in Sarf London?

I find that quite interesting.

And I would be fascinated to learn of the reasons behind some of the localised outbreaks, and whether there is any kind of specific pattern behind them?

TBH I was always very suspicious of when 'they' said the R in London was 0.5 a few weeks ago.  No-one's really explained how they derive it well enough for me to believe anyone.  Even the Radio 4 programme More Or Less couldn't do it convincingly (well not to me, anyway).

[Doc Holliday]

And I would be fascinated to learn of the reasons behind some of the localised outbreaks, and whether there is any kind of specific pattern behind them?

Therein lies the problem which many foresaw. Lack of 'joined up' data and poor coordination. The government's centralised system has (despite what they have claimed) simply not been well linked with the local public health services.

In Leicester the Govt. centralised system has watched positive cases rise over a three week period (and done nothing) but also not passed on much of that data to Leicester public health or the council etc. Locally they had closed some schools and GP surgeries following individual outbreaks. But they have been struggling to piece it all together. The Government has now I gather provided them with more bulk data but because of GDPR this only identifies cases by post code and not by exact name house etc. For example you could plot a map showing all the cases by post code and be lucky and find there is a large cluster in a block of flats and deal with it accordingly, but if say a factory was a centre of infection then the post codes of those affected would be scattered all over the city and beyond.

At the same time this testing data should all be interlinked locally via track and trace, but this is also a centralised system with the same issues of poor linking to the 'local boots on the ground'. This lack of 'joined up' data gathering and a far from perfect track and trace system means it is leaving us in the dark about what is actually happening in the areas and having stood back and watched it happen, you then have to return to the blunt tool of lockdown.

This simply does not happen in the better other countries because they have much better monitoring processes in place, in particular that they are more locally based.

[winkywanky]

Therein lies the problem which many foresaw. Lack of 'joined up' data and poor coordination. The government's centralised system has (despite what they have claimed) simply not been well linked with the local public health services.

In Leicester the Govt. centralised system has watched positive cases rise over a three week period (and done nothing) but also not passed on much of that data to Leicester public health or the council etc. Locally they had closed some schools and GP surgeries following individual outbreaks. But they have been struggling to piece it all together. The Government has now I gather provided them with more bulk data but because of GDPR this only identifies cases by post code and not by exact name house etc. For example you could plot a map showing all the cases by post code and be lucky and find there is a large cluster in a block of flats and deal with it accordingly, but if say a factory was a centre of infection then the post codes of those affected would be scattered all over the city and beyond.

At the same time this testing data should all be interlinked locally via track and trace, but this is also a centralised system with the same issues of poor linking to the 'local boots on the ground'. This lack of 'joined up' data gathering and a far from perfect track and trace system means it is leaving us in the dark about what is actually happening in the areas and having stood back and watched it happen, you then have to return to the blunt tool of lockdown.

This simply does not happen in the better other countries because they have much better monitoring processes in place, in particular that they are more locally based.

Yes, I saw the Mayor of Leicester looking pissed off in an interview a few days ago. Either he hadn't been paying attention or the govt hadn't kept him fully informed.

Now then, I wonder which of those it'd likely be? 

Generally though, once again we seem to be found lacking  .

Re: the GDPR thing, I guess in a city that's not too much of a hurdle because individual postcodes only contain around 15-20 houses or so?

[Strawberry]

Yes, I saw the Mayor of Leicester looking pissed off in an interview a few days ago. Either he hadn't been paying attention or the govt hadn't kept him fully informed.

Now then, I wonder which of those it'd likely be? 

Generally though, once again we seem to be found lacking  .

Re: the GDPR thing, I guess in a city that's not too much of a hurdle because individual postcodes only contain around 15-20 houses or so?

Was this around the time a particular area of Cumbria was in the spotlight leapt upon by the media?

[winkywanky]

Was this around the time a particular area of Cumbria was in the spotlight leapt upon by the media?

I wasn't aware of an outbreak in Cumbria?

But certainly, even around 6wks ago they were fearful in Cumbria about people driving miles to get there, for their 'exercise'. They did all they could to try to discourage any visitors at all.

[Strawberry]

I wasn't aware of an outbreak in Cumbria?

But certainly, even around 6wks ago they were fearful in Cumbria about people driving miles to get there, for their 'exercise'. They did all they could to try to discourage any visitors at all.

Questions were asked in Parliament by the local MP, Barrow was in the spotlight apparently numbers were high. Sky News and the tabloids jumped all over it, headlines used words such as 'Pariah Town'.

A relative has just had their postponed op in the hospital in that town, says it's all very quiet and various sources say there are few to any cases actually in the hospital now. 

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I could go on.

Was this a handy diversion?

[winkywanky]

I was unaware of that (perhaps I wasn't paying enough attention at the time?)

That's interesting, Barrow-in-Furness isn't what you'd call the Lake District (and Cumbria was trying to put off LD visitors). I wonder how that outbreak came about?

[Strawberry]

I was unaware of that (perhaps I wasn't paying enough attention at the time?)

That's interesting, Barrow-in-Furness isn't what you'd call the Lake District (and Cumbria was trying to put off LD visitors). I wonder how that outbreak came about?

I don't think it was an outbreak as such seemed to be more an accumulation of cases which some officials claimed is a result of the extensive testing in the area including care homes started February.

Also heard of someone coming back from a hotspot holiday end of February into March, spreading it to a large number at a pub quiz, in an area not known for it's youth leading to a few deaths.

Various theories abound I am wondering was this a nice diversion away from what was bubbling in Leicester?

Barrow is very close to the edge of the LD, however biggest impact from tourists seems to have been the litter, damage, general trouble caused by being there. Barbecues a plenty, gates left open in private parks containing treasured animals. No toilet facilities of course, although these have been reopening in the last week or so. Pubs and hotels will hopefully remove some of the surplus bodies and cars - give them somewhere to go.

There is a lot of deprivation in Barrow definite line between haves and have nots, it's part of the County Lines drug network. Dread to think what it's been like for addicts, active alcoholics etc.

[Doc Holliday]

I don't think it was an outbreak as such seemed to be more an accumulation of cases which some officials claimed is a result of the extensive testing in the area including care homes started February.

Also heard of someone coming back from a hotspot holiday end of February into March, spreading it to a large number at a pub quiz, in an area not known for it's youth leading to a few deaths.

Various theories abound I am wondering was this a nice diversion away from what was bubbling in Leicester?

Barrow is very close to the edge of the LD, however biggest impact from tourists seems to have been the litter, damage, general trouble caused by being there. Barbecues a plenty, gates left open in private parks containing treasured animals. No toilet facilities of course, although these have been reopening in the last week or so. Pubs and hotels will hopefully remove some of the surplus bodies and cars - give them somewhere to go.

There is a lot of deprivation in Barrow definite line between haves and have nots, it's part of the County Lines drug network. Dread to think what it's been like for addicts, active alcoholics etc.

Yes as Ruth says this was not an outbreak but data produced mid May showed that from the start of the epidemic Barrow had 3 times the national average of cases per head of population placing it 'top of the table'. Some possible reasons are also as above. BAE is a huge employer in the area and there may have been a link there also.

However this has now stabilised to a trickle of new cases and a quick check reveals there were no new cases in Barrow yesterday.

The Barrow story predates the Leicester second spike which has been developing over the last three weeks.

[Doc Holliday]

Re: the GDPR thing, I guess in a city that's not too much of a hurdle because individual postcodes only contain around 15-20 houses or so?

It's all about having all those local agencies having accurate and full data to enable them to best control any rise in cases. It is no use having all this data sitting on a centralised database and not being used by those best placed to do so. Boots on the ground etc.

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Edit ... there must also be questions about the central system whose algorithms should surely also be picking up possible sources and patterns of outbreaks?

[winkywanky]

It's all about having all those local agencies having accurate and full data to enable them to best control any rise in cases. It is no use having all this data sitting on a centralised database and not being used by those best placed to do so. Boots on the ground etc.

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Edit ... there must also be questions about the central system whose algorithms should surely also be picking up possible sources and patterns of outbreaks?

Hopefully the Track & Trace system (which does involve real and actual people) will work to at least some degree. Actual people get called up, and are asked for details of actual people who may have been in contact with them.

Unfortunately it does seem that GDPR is a real issue, if it were down to me we'd all have the App on our phones and have a better chance of controlling things, but a lot of people don't want that, even if the information got thrown away afterwards 

There doesn't seem to be a way that details of actual people can be given to local authorities without breaching GDPR? Or is that simply being used as an excuse by an incompetent and floundering govt?

[unclepokey]

It's a Saturday FFS.
Quite the very worst day to go to a pub or restaurant.

[wombat42]

It's a Saturday FFS.
Quite the very worst day to go to a pub or restaurant.

Fortunately I think the weather will be quite rough Saturday until about midday Sunday.

[Chorley]

I 've had several conversations with local Police lately and they have carried out risk assements for  establishement in the area that will be open. They've been clear that they're prepared to put closure orders on pubs that fail to maintain order and adhere to the rules.

[Doc Holliday]

I 've had several conversations with local Police lately and they have carried out risk assements for  establishement in the area that will be open. They've been clear that they're prepared to put closure orders on pubs that fail to maintain order and adhere to the rules.

That's interesting thanks 

[Malvolio]

I'm going to make a prediction - thousands of pubs will reopen on Saturday and there will be trouble in less than 1% of them.

[Moby Dick]

Fortunately I think the weather will be quite rough Saturday until about midday Sunday.

Now, I don't care what the weather man says
When the weatherman says it's raining
You'll never hear me complaining, I'm certain the sun will shine
I don't care how the weather vane points
When the weather vane points to gloomy
It's gotta be sunny to me, when your eyes look into mine

Jeepers Creepers, where'd ya get those peepers?
Jeepers Creepers, where'd ya get those eyes?
Gosh all git up, how'd they get so lit up?
Gosh all git up, how'd they get that size?

Golly gee! When you turn those heaters on, woe is me
Got to get my cheaters on, Jeepers Creepers
Where'd ya get those peepers? On, those weepers
How they hypnotize, where'd ya get those eyes?
Where'd ya get those eyes? Where'd ya get those eyes?

[Rochelle]

Excuse my lack of knowledge of London Boroughs, but are all those not north of the river? Or at the very least, not really considered to be in Sarf London?

I find that quite interesting.

And I would be fascinated to learn of the reasons behind some of the localised outbreaks, and whether there is any kind of specific pattern behind them?

Hammersmith & Fulham, Kensington & Chelsea, Wandsworth, and Westminster are all south London boroughs.

[LLPunting]

...Doc, have you ever considered being a contributor at one of the Covid Briefings?

I don't want to big you up too much (and I'm sure it wouldn't go to your head  ) but I can't help thinking you'd be a lot better than most of the fuckwits they've had so far, and that's not even just the politicians  .

Shhhh, you may have noticed that a number of SAGE members look like the sort who probably pay for it.

[LLPunting]

Hopefully the Track & Trace system (which does involve real and actual people) will work to at least some degree. Actual people get called up, and are asked for details of actual people who may have been in contact with them.

Unfortunately it does seem that GDPR is a real issue, if it were down to me we'd all have the App on our phones and have a better chance of controlling things, but a lot of people don't want that, even if the information got thrown away afterwards 

There doesn't seem to be a way that details of actual people can be given to local authorities without breaching GDPR? Or is that simply being used as an excuse by an incompetent and floundering govt?

I can't believe that GDPR is getting in the way as the NHS are the data processors for Track n Trace as well as hospital admissions as well as testing sites.  Anyone availed themselves of any of these services care to confirm what info was taken?

It seems odd that despite DomCums bleating about getting in new bloods as SPADs and data science that they don't appear to be listening to the Data Scientists involved because they would be the first to start spitting out all the locality correlations given that this is all about dealing with infected people and we collect their recent location information and employers would be part of that for many.

[winkywanky]

Hammersmith & Fulham, Kensington & Chelsea, Wandsworth, and Westminster are all south London boroughs.

I wondered whether that might be the case, but they're all bordering the Thames, are they not?

Hence my comment about really being Sarf London.

[winkywanky]

Shhhh, you may have noticed that a number of SAGE members look like the sort who probably pay for it.

What could you possibly mean?   

[winkywanky]

I can't believe that GDPR is getting in the way as the NHS are the data processors for Track n Trace as well as hospital admissions as well as testing sites.  Anyone availed themselves of any of these services care to confirm what info was taken?

It seems odd that despite DomCums bleating about getting in new bloods as SPADs and data science that they don't appear to be listening to the Data Scientists involved because they would be the first to start spitting out all the locality correlations given that this is all about dealing with infected people and we collect their recent location information and employers would be part of that for many.

Yes, but then surely you get into the realms of who is allowed to access your health records, and that's no-one outside of the NHS without your specific consent?

So for example if the local authorities wanted access to these stats, surely they'd be excluded?

[sparkus]

Hammersmith & Fulham, Kensington & Chelsea, Wandsworth, and Westminster are all south London boroughs.

Wandsworth is but the others you mention are all north of the river

[Rochelle]

Wandsworth is but the others you mention are all north of the river

They're all still southwest London. All SW postcodes.

[sparkus]

They're all still southwest London. All SW postcodes.

SW1 postcodes start at Trafalgar Square/Buckingham Palace.

The postal map has no connection to borough boundaries or geography really.

[Avg_Joe]

No.