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Offline AnthG

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We don't really have any way of knowing.

It's just another of your straw men designed to make you feel better about yourself by having a go at people you've seen on TV and say things you don't agree with by implying hypocrisy without any actual evidence.

You do talk total crap
When was the last time you spoke to anyone under 30 in a meaningful way. You would find they are intelligent and informed, better informed than my generation and looking at your post a lot better informed than you.
Every generation has a mix of people so there you will find good and bad in every generation.

You see, two ways to respond to my comment. Sparkus, you should be commended for being civil and friendly and furthering the discussion proactively. Or even closing the discussion proactively.
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And like I said above, when I was young, I went to all of the beaches in my area, and nobody, ever, ever left rubbish behind.

And why is it you always get so offensive in your tone when you disagree with someone? Especially when the other person is right :)

my memory of the major Dorset beaches as a kid is that they had to be raked and ploughed free of litter every night. Not as bad as recently, but bad enough. Littering isn't a  recent phenomenon

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my memory of the major Dorset beaches as a kid is that they had to be raked and ploughed free of litter every night. Not as bad as recently, but bad enough. Littering isn't a  recent phenomenon

Then maybe one of my past theories are correct and it's just us Geordies who are better people all-round :)
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Offline Hobbit

my memory of the major Dorset beaches as a kid is that they had to be raked and ploughed free of litter every night. Not as bad as recently, but bad enough. Littering isn't a  recent phenomenon

It all comes down to bad parenting or the lack of it nowadays. Kids need education and guidance otherwise they end up disregarding property, people, and littering then becomes a habit.
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Offline Hobbit

Then maybe one of my past theories are correct and it's just us Geordies who are better people all-round :)

I'm sure Paul Gascoigne would agree with that.  :P

Offline David1970

And like I said above, when I was young, I went to all of the beaches in my area, and nobody, ever, ever left rubbish behind.

And why is it you always get so offensive in your tone when you disagree with someone? Especially when the other person is right :)

As Scutty Brown said in reply #46 most of the ones leading the mess on the beach were 30+, not young people as you suggest. What I don’t understand is why you have it in for young people all the time?

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Then maybe one of my past theories are correct and it's just us Geordies who are better people all-round :)

with all the waste from the coal mines on your beaches I suspect so few went that the littering  was irrelevant

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As Scutty Brown said in reply #46 most of the ones leading the mess on the beach were 30+, not young people as you suggest. What I don’t understand is why you have it in for young people all the time?

Because they were most likely to vote Remain and take the knee?

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with all the waste from the coal mines on your beaches I suspect so few went that the littering  was irrelevant

I've just had a quick look at the local press websites up there and there's no end of complaints about litter in beauty spots!

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with all the waste from the coal mines on your beaches I suspect so few went that the littering  was irrelevant

Yeah, the end of Get Carter it feels freaky that is what was happening on north-east beaches only a few decades ago. (And I don't mean Micheal Caine murdering a bunch of people by forcing them to drink whisky)
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Offline David1970

Because they were most likely to vote Remain and take the knee?

So it’s not knowledge just prejudice.

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And like I said above, when I was young, I went to all of the beaches in my area, and nobody, ever, ever left rubbish behind.

And why is it you always get so offensive in your tone when you disagree with someone? Especially when the other person is right :)
Fag ends are classed as litter these days so all those tabs Geordies smoke would have probably made a pile the size of a mountain range  :D

Anyway contrary to popular belief littering in this country isn't a recent phenomenon, I was always under the impression that the "Keep Britain Tidy" campaign was started in the mid 70's when I was a kid as it suddenly started appearing on sweet wrappers.
Turns out it was started 20 years before in the mid 50's so there must have been recognition of a littering problem for people to start it

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Not sure about the recent Bournemouth beach issue but there is evidence that if you provide enough bins etc that most people actually use them however i'd agree there are far too many dick heads in this country with no respect.
Remember when they removed bins in some major cities after the IRA used them for putting bombs in, instead of taking their rubbish home people just dropped it  :thumbsdown:
There was also a study done where they cleaned one side of a busy shopping road in London and didn't clean the other side, the amount of rubbish dropped on the uncleaned side was far higher than on the side which was cleaned.

It's a mindset really, i've been to Switzerland a number of times on business and at the end of my 1st trip I just thought that I hadn't seen any litter or anywhere untidy.
On all my subsequent trips I actively looked for litter but never saw any

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never ceases to amaze me how quick to judge and condemn so many UKP members are, when by definition they are themselves participants of a behaviour that the 'moral right' like to condemn. 
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Offline The Film Director

never ceases to amaze me how quick to judge and condemn so many UKP members are, when by definition they are themselves participants of a behaviour that the 'moral right' like to condemn.

How's the suntan?  :D

Offline King Nuts

never ceases to amaze me how quick to judge and condemn so many UKP members are, when by definition they are themselves participants of a behaviour that the 'moral right' like to condemn.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'moral right' but if you mean there's a bunch of right wing people who condemn prostitution, I think that's largely a myth these days.

People who are truly of the Right are generally in favour of freedom and the pursuit of whatever makes you happy.

It's the Left that's censorious.
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'moral right' but if you mean there's a bunch if right-wing people who condemn prostitution, I think that's largely a myth these days.

People who are truly of the Right are generally in favour of freedom and the pursuit of whatever makes you happy.

It's the Left that's censorious.

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Far-Right, capitalism, greed is good. Succeed anyway you can
Far-Left, Socialism, greed is bad, everyone must equally be poor, no one person can be achieving anything better than anyone else. Nobody owns any property or capital the world over its to be shared.
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'moral right' but if you mean there's a bunch of right wing people who condemn prostitution, I think that's largely a myth these days.

People who are truly of the Right are generally in favour of freedom and the pursuit of whatever makes you happy.

It's the Left that's censorious.

No disputing that the labour party are responsible for the most restrictions on freedom historically speaking.

There's a Mary Whitehouse style hectoring that is quite prevalent sometimes.  Moral right, not political right. 
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Offline David1970

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Far-Right, capitalism, greed is good. Succeed anyway you can
Far-Left, Socialism, greed is bad, everyone must equally be poor, no one person can be achieving anything better than anyone else. Nobody owns any property or capital the world over its to be shared.

What about the rest of us in the middle?

Offline Thephoenix

I presume all those Liverpool cunts celebrating fall into that category as well? That was completely out of order what they did and I don't give a shit how many years it's been since they've won the title. As far as I'm concerned, after that celebration when they were told not to, they can wait another 30 years until they win it again. :hi:

I don't think they generally fall into that category.  From what I saw they were cunts yes, and you get cunts everywhere.
I suppose there were Cardiff cunts, Bournemouth cunts, London cunts.

Knowing Liverpool as I do, I think these were generally the young irresponsible dick heads, out for a piss up,  and not representative of the thousands of Liverpool fans who are disgusted with those scenes.

What I will say is that a good Liverpudlian is likely to be one of the best people you would care to meet..... A bad scouser is possibly the worst. That's always been the nature of the city.

And of course I hope I don't have to wait another 30 years.

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What about the rest of us in the middle?

They are perfectly fine.
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I'm not sure what you mean by 'moral right' but if you mean there's a bunch of right wing people who condemn prostitution, I think that's largely a myth these days.

People who are truly of the Right are generally in favour of freedom and the pursuit of whatever makes you happy.

It's the Left that's censorious.

including the freedom to pollute?????????????

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Fag ends are classed as litter these days so all those tabs Geordies smoke would have probably made a pile the size of a mountain range  :D

Anyway contrary to popular belief littering in this country isn't a recent phenomenon, I was always under the impression that the "Keep Britain Tidy" campaign was started in the mid 70's when I was a kid as it suddenly started appearing on sweet wrappers.
Turns out it was started 20 years before in the mid 50's so there must have been recognition of a littering problem for people to start it

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Not sure about the recent Bournemouth beach issue but there is evidence that if you provide enough bins etc that most people actually use them however i'd agree there are far too many dick heads in this country with no respect.
Remember when they removed bins in some major cities after the IRA used them for putting bombs in, instead of taking their rubbish home people just dropped it  :thumbsdown:
There was also a study done where they cleaned one side of a busy shopping road in London and didn't clean the other side, the amount of rubbish dropped on the uncleaned side was far higher than on the side which was cleaned.

It's a mindset really, i've been to Switzerland a number of times on business and at the end of my 1st trip I just thought that I hadn't seen any litter or anywhere untidy.
On all my subsequent trips I actively looked for litter but never saw any

Litter is a real bugbear for me. There is absolutely no need for it, anywhere, at any time. It would disappear tomorrow if people were considerate.

As regards Bournemouth beach, I live in the vicinity. A lot of bollocks has been talked about what's been going on this last week or so, mainly by people who don't know the place and weren't there, but who've read some sensationalised nonsense on a news website and seen those telephoto'd photos that look like everyone's about 3 inches apart.

Yes, the beach has been crowded but it was never as bad as it looked, and there have been issues around car parking and so on. But most people have been fine, and by and large, considerate. The blame lies 100 per cent with the council. They can read a weather forecast same as everyone else can, but they didn't put enough bins out, they didn't unlock all the lavs (there'a a lav about every 200/300 yards along the promenade from Boscombe down to Sandbanks) and they didn't think to make provision for extra car parking space or controlling existing space well enough. As a consequence, last Thursday afternoon was total bedlam.

But by 7.30am Friday, all the litter was cleared up and the beach raked.

Re litter, I know everyone blames the C1s and C2s, but I see everyone doing it. When there's no lockdown, I get the train from Waterloo down to the coast a couple of days a week, often at peak times when there's a fair proportion of what you'd call middle class types on the train. You can tell it's them by all the Yo Sushi packaging, cans and bottles they leave on the tables and seats when they get off at Winchester, Southampton and elsewhere. Now these people aren't yobs. I'm sure they all pay their taxes, help their kids with their homework and probably support fucking Greenpeace. But for some reason, they think leaving a total mess behind them is OK. I suspect if you challenged them, they'd say that they thought some minion would be along in a while and clear it all up.

I was brung up to believe you have to leave a place as you found it. Hardly a difficult rule to make for yourself.


Offline King Nuts

No disputing that the labour party are responsible for the most restrictions on freedom historically speaking.

There's a Mary Whitehouse style hectoring that is quite prevalent sometimes.  Moral right, not political right.

I think her days, and that censorious mentality are long gone.

Offline Ozy84

Then maybe one of my past theories are correct and it's just us Geordies who are better people all-round :)

Benwell, byker, scotswood...not much good in them areas, saying that last time i was up in your “endz” i could not wait to get back to London....thsts saying something! Council estate after estate, extremely scummy if i may say so  :thumbsdown:


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So people don’t feel safe enough to return to work or send their kids to school but they’re happy to pack themselves onto Bournemouth beach in the hot weather causing a major incident. A lot seem to think it’s  bank holiday. Bloody teacher next door said not safe to go to school but she’s taken her two to Bournemouth today! Either stay in or get back to work!

It actually shows the sheep like mentality of people and general laziness of people. 300 miles of coastline in the South and most end up in the same 1-3 places.
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Offline winkywanky

I was brung up to believe you have to leave a place as you found it. Hardly a difficult rule to make for yourself.


This.

Every time, all the time.

Anything less and you're an inconsiderate twat.

Offline King Nuts

It actually shows the sheep like mentality of people and general laziness of people. 300 miles of coastline in the South and most end up in the same 1-3 places.

The beach stretches from Christchurch down to Poole. Other than Camber Sands, it's probably the largest and best expanse of beach there is on the south coast.

Why wouldn't people want to come here? Forming an opinion on a bullshit news story is pointless.



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Offline Ozy84

They also happened after Dominic Cummings broke the rules thereby sticking a finger or two up to the general public closely followed by Boris backing him up and giving everyone a good fisting only for Matt Hancock to piss in everyone's mouth by telling us it was our civic duty to follow the rules  :dash: :dash: :dash: :dash:

Absolutely smashingly bang on!

The nation was largely supportive and acting in line with guidance until that rat-fucking cummings done his trip. And then all the shit from bojo and matt cuntcock (never has a surname been so fitting) about still follow the guidance. Fuck you motherfuckers, taking us all for cunts.

That was the point at which MANY peoples attitudes changed....mine too. I will take care, practice caution, will stay alert but they can go fuck themselves from 1, 2 or 2.5 metres away from each other...would rather die shagging then with my hand wrapped round me cock!  :music:

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You bring all your shit with you in a carrier bag, put the empty shit back in the carrier bag and take it the fuck home with you.

Offline King Nuts

Absolutely smashingly bang on!

The nation was largely supportive and acting in line with guidance until that rat-fucking cummings done his trip. And then all the shit from bojo and matt cuntcock (never has a surname been so fitting) about still follow the guidance. Fuck you motherfuckers, taking us all for cunts.

That was the point at which MANY peoples attitudes changed....mine too. I will take care, practice caution, will stay alert but they can go fuck themselves from 1, 2 or 2.5 metres away from each other...would rather die shagging then with my hand wrapped round me cock!  :music:

Oh good. Let's talk about Cummings some more. I don't think we talked about him enough when there was a thread on him. So let's get him into as many other threads as we can.

It used to be the case that no thread on UKP was complete until Thatcher got mentioned. And she always did, sooner of later.

Cummings now has that honour.


Offline David1970

Oh good. Let's talk about Cummings some more. I don't think we talked about him enough when there was a thread on him. So let's get him into as many other threads as we can.

It used to be the case that no thread on UKP was complete until Thatcher got mentioned. And she always did, sooner of later.

Cummings now has that honour.

If I remember you brought him last time as the man that was going to save the country by fixing the civil service.

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The beach stretches from Christchurch down to Poole. Other than Camber Sands, it's probably the largest and best expanse of beach there is on the south coast.

Why wouldn't people want to come here? Forming an opinion on a bullshit news story is pointless.

My mistake. South West coastline is 600 miles and includes Dorset, the beaches in Devon and Cornwall are some of the most stunning in Europe
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As regards Bournemouth beach, I live in the vicinity. A lot of bollocks has been talked about what's been going on this last week or so, mainly by people who don't know the place and weren't there, but who've read some sensationalised nonsense on a news website and seen those telephoto'd photos that look like everyone's about 3 inches apart.


Yes totally agree ... the two dimensional photographs deliberately gave a false perspective to fit the storyline. It has been the same up her on the Lancashire coast.

Some of the news footage had aerial views which showed good distances between the vast majority of people. Yes there are some idiots, but nowhere near on the scale suggested. Also with it being outdoors the risk is reduced considerably.

If I was forced to choose between being on a crowded beach or sitting inside a small pub filled with strangers, one metre apart, for a couple of hours during July, I know what my decision would be.
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Offline Ozy84

Oh good. Let's talk about Cummings some more. I don't think we talked about him enough when there was a thread on him. So let's get him into as many other threads as we can.

It used to be the case that no thread on UKP was complete until Thatcher got mentioned. And she always did, sooner of later.

Cummings now has that honour.

First time i have mentioned the son of a gun in 1700 posts so dont go dragging me into your games ol man.  :thumbsdown:

Just commenting on a particular point in time where respect for the lockdown rules weakened and has contributed to the cunts we have on our beaches and parks now who cannot keep their bathrooms clean let alone public areas.

The truth does hurt for you though as i can sense you are an old man of cummings ilk, each to their own though, will not mention the mofo on this thread again...happy?  :unknown:

You can change your pad now!!!  :D


Offline winkywanky

Yes totally agree ... the two dimensional photographs deliberately gave a false perspective to fit the storyline. It has been the same up her on the Lancashire coast.

Some of the news footage had aerial views which showed good distances between the vast majority of people. Yes there are some idiots, but nowhere near on the scale suggested. Also with it being outdoors the risk is reduced considerably.

If I was forced to choose between being on a crowded beach or sitting inside a small pub filled with strangers, one metre apart, for a couple of hours during July, I know what my decision would be.


Nothing to do with bikini-clad girls of course, purely from the epidemiological standpoint  :thumbsup:  ;)

Offline King Nuts

First time i have mentioned the son of a gun in 1700 posts so dont go dragging me into your games ol man.  :thumbsdown:

Just commenting on a particular point in time where respect for the lockdown rules weakened and has contributed to the cunts we have on our beaches and parks now who cannot keep their bathrooms clean let alone public areas.

The truth does hurt for you though as i can sense you are an old man of cummings ilk, each to their own though, will not mention the mofo on this thread again...happy?  :unknown:

You can change your pad now!!!  :D

You're another one, and there's an increasing number of people like you on here, who can't discuss anything without some low-grade, low-intellect, and wholly un-called for personal attack on anyone who posts something you don't like or agree with.

If OT goes down, it will be because of people like you.



Offline Ozy84

You're another one, and there's an increasing number of people like you on here, who can't discuss anything without some low-grade, low-intellect, and wholly un-called for personal attack on anyone who posts something you don't like or agree with.

If OT goes down, it will be because of people like you.

Yep your the only intellectual one here, i misread!

Close the door on your way out....oh and take your rubbish bag wiv ya you trouble maker :lol:
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You do talk total crap
When was the last time you spoke to anyone under 30 in a meaningful way. You would find they are intelligent and informed, better informed than my generation and looking at your post a lot better informed than you.
Every generation has a mix of people so there you will find good and bad in every generation.

fuck me a post of yours that I 100% agree with.

I work with quite a few young people in their 20's and they are fantastic, very intelligent, incredibly well informed and motivated to do well for themselves but helping others along the way.  Actually I often think far better than my generation was back in the day..........

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Yep your the only intellectual one here, i misread!

Close the door on your way out....oh and take your rubbish bag wiv ya you trouble maker :lol:

You can't help yourself, can you.

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Here's a logical quandary for someone to ponder. I bet good money the same type of people who left all that litter ^ will be the same people who are at Greta Thumburg rallies screaming about rubbish ruining the environment and demanding airports to be closed and etc.

You have no way of knowing that and like so many of your posts it it simply driven by your personal agenda and prejudice.

Offline King Nuts

You have no way of knowing that and like so many of your posts it it simply driven by your personal agenda and prejudice.

Ah yes. 'Personal agenda and prejudice'.

Love it.


Translation: 'I don't agree with you'.

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You have no way of knowing that

Hence why I said "I bet good money".

And I seen the videos on Youtube the aftermath of the Greta Thunburg demo's, rubbish everywhere.
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Offline Ozy84

You can't help yourself, can you.

Seriously cheer up... :drinks:

And no I couldn’t, you left a gaping hole just the right size for a rubbish bin!  :D

Offline David1970

You're another one, and there's an increasing number of people like you on here, who can't discuss anything without some low-grade, low-intellect, and wholly un-called for personal attack on anyone who posts something you don't like or agree with.

If OT goes down, it will be because of people like you.

You just personally attacked him in the exact way you claim others do  :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:


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You just personally attacked him in the exact way you claim others do  :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

No, he didn't. Not even close did he. Look at KNs post. Compared to yours when you didn't agree with me (which is how you usually post when you disagree with someone).

You do talk total crap
When was the last time you spoke to anyone under 30 in a meaningful way. You would find they are intelligent and informed, better informed than my generation and looking at your post a lot better informed than you.
Every generation has a mix of people so there you will find good and bad in every generation.
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Offline David1970

No, he didn't. Not even close did he. Look at KNs post. Compared to yours when you didn't agree with me (which is how you usually post when you disagree with someone).

Suggest you read reply #86 from King Nut before you over reacted old boy :hi:

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Suggest you read reply #86 from King Nut before you over reacted old boy :hi:

I read reply #86. It is actually part of the post that I quoted from you.

Like I mentioned above about my post. Both you and Sparkus said effectively the same thing in criticism of my post. But look at the tone, manner and language used to say it by you both. 

KN's post was on the same level as Sparkus. Oz84's post was on the same tone as yours.
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Hence why I said "I bet good money".

And I seen the videos on Youtube the aftermath of the Greta Thunburg demo's, rubbish everywhere.

And I saw the news after that defend the statues demo in central London where one of the loyal footsoldiers took a wazz against the memorial of a murdered policeman as well.  But I don't draw wide conclusions from one-off incidents.

Offline willie loman

I'm not sure what you mean by 'moral right' but if you mean there's a bunch of right wing people who condemn prostitution, I think that's largely a myth these days.

People who are truly of the Right are generally in favour of freedom and the pursuit of whatever makes you happy.

It's the Left that's censorious.

That is true, of people who are genuinely right wing, there are very few of them, and none who post on off topic in my view.
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