Author Topic: Who Do You Think is the Best James Bond (Read 7243 times)

AnthG · « **on:** June 23, 2020, 02:13:42 pm »

This can be both a discussion of who do you think will be in the future the best James Bond if they get the role, or who was the best James Bond.

I think, as mentioned in another topic, both Timothy Dalton and George Lazenby were the best James Bonds. They were in the best films (only From Russia With Love is up there with those three films those two were in, in my own opinion) and they just had the no-nonsense hard as nails approach to the character and none of the flamboyance or campiness that other actors did.

The somersault kick George Lazenby's (stunt double) did at the start of OHMSS in the Sea goes down in infamy as the best fight move in any James Bond film for example as he really just went up there like Bruce Lee would have done.

So anyway, what does anyone else think? And should there be a Black or Female James Bond?

mr.bluesky · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:20:03 pm »

No female or black james bond. He was not described that way in Flemmings books. I like Daniel Craig as Bond I think he has done a good job. By all means have a women or black actor play a simular part but not as James Bond.

winkywanky · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:22:32 pm »

A female Bond would be frankly ridiculous, the role is clearly for a man.

But does that apply to a prospective Black Bond? Anyone know if it has to be a White Bond?

David1970 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:24:58 pm »

Quote from: mr.bluesky on June 23, 2020, 02:20:03 pm

No female or black james bond. He was not described that way in Flemmings books. I like Daniel Craig as Bond I think he has done a good job. By all means have a women or black actor play a simular part but not as James Bond.

If you are going down that road of his description, James Bond was Scottish, so the only real James Bond was the
Sir Thomas Sean Connery

winkywanky · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:26:24 pm »

Quote from: David1970 on June 23, 2020, 02:24:58 pm

If you are going down that road of his description, James Bond was Scottish, so the only real James Bond was the
Sir Thomas Sean Connery

Never knew that, you learn something new every day

AnthG · « **Reply #5 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:27:14 pm »

Quote from: David1970 on June 23, 2020, 02:24:58 pm

If you are going down that road of his description, James Bond was Scottish, so the only real James Bond was the
Sir Thomas Sean Connery

Well Timothy Dalton was Welsh, that is kind of close to it

winkywanky · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:27:44 pm »

Quote from: David1970 on June 23, 2020, 02:24:58 pm

If you are going down that road of his description, James Bond was Scottish, so the only real James Bond was the
Sir Thomas Sean Connery

...which does beg the question, why did he drink something as poofy as a Vodka Martini, he should surely have been drinking some obscure single malt, perhaps produced by an ancestral distillery?

David1970 · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:29:47 pm »

Quote from: winkywanky on June 23, 2020, 02:27:44 pm

...which does beg the question, why did he drink something as poofy as a Vodka Martini, he should surely have been drinking some obscure single malt, perhaps produced by an ancestral distillery?

Yes he would, as all Scots wear kilts, hunt haggis when it’s season and live of deep fried Mars bars while riding Nessie down Loch Ness

The Film Director · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:30:05 pm »

Quote from: winkywanky on June 23, 2020, 02:26:24 pm

Never knew that, you learn something new every day

+1

...and it just so happens that I think Connery was the best JB .... and just for confirmation I am English.

AnthG · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:32:49 pm »

Quote from: winkywanky on June 23, 2020, 02:27:44 pm

...which does beg the question, why did he drink something as poofy as a Vodka Martini, he should surely have been drinking some obscure single malt, perhaps produced by an ancestral distillery?

From what I recall, in the books he mainly drunk Scotch Whisky. As any sensible Brit would do

I was watching Live and Let Die last week and was surprised two times he ordered a Bourbon whisky on the rocks, no martini's in that. I am in two minds to go through the Roger Moore series to see if this is in any other films of his too.

winkywanky · « **Reply #10 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:32:51 pm »

Quote from: David1970 on June 23, 2020, 02:29:47 pm

Yes he would, as all Scots wear kilts, hunt haggis when it’s season and live of deep fried Mars bars while riding Nessie down Loch Ness

You mean Fleming, as Establishment as you could possibly get, was actually a trailblazer for ethnic destigmatisation? I'm stunned

winkywanky · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:34:07 pm »

Quote from: AnthG on June 23, 2020, 02:32:49 pm

From what I recall, in the books he mainly drunk Scotch Whisky. As any sensible Brit would do

I was watching Live and Let Die last week and was surprised two times he ordered a Bourbon whisky on the rocks, no martini's in that. I am in two minds to go through the Roger Moore series to see if this is in any other films of his too.

So definitely some inclusivity there, as well as recognition of his roots. Like it.

daviemac · « **Reply #12 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:35:49 pm »

Casino Royale, the only Bond film worth watching.

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winkywanky · « **Reply #13 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:37:30 pm »

I don't think Anth meant that one

sparkus · « **Reply #14 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:39:30 pm »

Quote from: mr.bluesky on June 23, 2020, 02:20:03 pm

No female or black james bond. He was not described that way in Flemmings books. I like Daniel Craig as Bond I think he has done a good job. By all means have a women or black actor play a simular part but not as James Bond.

It was this debate elsewhere which led to the thread.

There's been a number of good black supporting actors and Bond girls.

sparkus · « **Reply #15 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:42:18 pm »

Quote from: AnthG on June 23, 2020, 02:32:49 pm

From what I recall, in the books he mainly drunk Scotch Whisky. As any sensible Brit would do

I was watching Live and Let Die last week and was surprised two times he ordered a Bourbon whisky on the rocks, no martini's in that. I am in two minds to go through the Roger Moore series to see if this is in any other films of his too.

Ridiculously whisky was replaced by a bottle of Heineken in the last one due to sponsorship.

There have been so many digressions from the original literary Bond by now that the race of the actor playing him isn't that important.

As I said, Licence to Punt would certainly be a memorable film title.

From Romania With Love and The SP Who Loved Me also.

Matrix · « **Reply #16 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:46:22 pm »

1 : Connery
2 : Dalton
3 : Moore
4 : Niven
5 : Brosnan
6 : Craig
7 : Lazenby

My word is final, cause Sean was my Grannys milkman.

unclepokey · « **Reply #17 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:47:02 pm »

I was a fan of Sean Connery until I saw him more than half cut at Lyford Cay Club.
Having said that think The Rock was a great film.

Matrix · « **Reply #18 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:47:25 pm »

Quote from: winkywanky on June 23, 2020, 02:22:32 pm

A female Bond would be frankly ridiculous, the role is clearly for a man.

But does that apply to a prospective Black Bond? Anyone know if it has to be a White Bond?

He was Half scots and half swiss. Definitely White.

sparkus · « **Reply #19 on:** June 23, 2020, 02:50:51 pm »

Quote from: unclepokey on June 23, 2020, 02:47:02 pm

I was a fan of Sean Connery until I saw him more than half cut at Lyford Cay Club.
Having said that think The Rock was a great film.

I recall Connery's decline was discussed at length in this famous film scene: External Link/Members Only

suttonporksword · « **Reply #20 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:03:56 pm »

Not the best Bond but I do enjoy the Moore films, they are cheesy in the comedic sense and slightly camp.

AnthG · « **Reply #21 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:06:39 pm »

Quote from: sparkus on June 23, 2020, 02:50:51 pm

I recall Connery's decline was discussed at length in this famous film scene: External Link/Members Only

In 1983 when Octopussy and Never Say Never Again were both being released Siskel and Ebert did a Bondathon special where they each said their best bond film, best bond villain, best bond girl and etc.

And both of them both picked Never Say Never Again as the best Bond movie of all of the Bond movies and also both picked the villain from Never Say Never Again as the best overall Bond Villian of any of the bond movies.

They both loved Never Say Never Again and this was Sean Connery's return after 12 years.

Here is the episode over two parts if you want to watch it

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And
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hermanmunster · « **Reply #22 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:07:50 pm »

Quote from: suttonporksword on June 23, 2020, 03:03:56 pm

Not the best Bond but I do enjoy the Moore films, they are cheesy in the comedic sense and slightly camp.

It was so cringeworthy watching Roger Moore run - so camp and unathletic and quite frankly embarrassing. For me he ruined the macho image and therefore ruined the Bond films forever.

Romeo Sensini · « **Reply #23 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:23:34 pm »

Quote from: unclepokey on June 23, 2020, 02:47:02 pm

I was a fan of Sean Connery until I saw him more than half cut at Lyford Cay Club.
Having said that think The Rock was a great film.

Whoa! Back the truck up.

Are you Hugh Hefner or something? Doesn't it cost like £150k plus just to get through the door?

king tarzan · « **Reply #24 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:27:46 pm »

Sean Connery/Roger Moore neck and neck..(tina turner.. simply the best better than all the rest)

rest good luck to them..

Romeo Sensini · « **Reply #25 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:35:30 pm »

But back to the subject in hand. The Connery and Moore films were "of their time" but Bond then degenerated into not much more than an Ealing/Carry On type franchise. In my opinion that didn't improve until Casino Royal with Craig and the scope of the plots reduced from white cat stroking megalomaniacs to slightly more nitty gritty matters.

Anyway, its Daniel Craig for me, followed by Sean Connery then Roger Moore.

king tarzan · « **Reply #26 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:38:56 pm »

Quote from: hermanmunster on June 23, 2020, 03:07:50 pm

macho image

there is only one Alpha male Macho man = JOHN RAMBO 🐅👊👊👊👊

winkywanky · « **Reply #27 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:39:12 pm »

Quote from: Matrix on June 23, 2020, 02:46:22 pm

1 : Connery
2 : Dalton
3 : Moore
4 : Niven
5 : Brosnan
6 : Craig
7 : Lazenby

My word is final, cause Sean was my Grannys milkman.

...he's not your granddad by any chance, is he Matrix?

king tarzan · « **Reply #28 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:41:05 pm »

Quote from: winkywanky on June 23, 2020, 03:39:12 pm

...he's not your granddad by any chance, is he Matrix?

a few months back you were a bit of a James Bond Mission Social Distancing

winkywanky · « **Reply #29 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:45:57 pm »

Quote from: king tarzan on June 23, 2020, 03:41:05 pm

a few months back you were a bit of a James Bond Mission Social Distancing

I was indeed, and if the majority of other people hadn't been too, we'd be living in a sea of shit right now

Nevertheless, I shall be fucking Miss Moneypenny soon, and she may or may not have a cock!

Matrix · « **Reply #30 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:54:33 pm »

Quote from: winkywanky on June 23, 2020, 03:39:12 pm

...he's not your granddad by any chance, is he Matrix?

Chertainley not.

winkywanky · « **Reply #31 on:** June 23, 2020, 03:59:48 pm »

Quote from: Matrix on June 23, 2020, 03:54:33 pm

Chertainley not.

Good to hear, otherwishe you may have picked up shome verbal tic or other

Matrix · « **Reply #32 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:05:48 pm »

Quote from: winkywanky on June 23, 2020, 03:59:48 pm

Good to hear, otherwishe you may have picked up shome verbal tic or other

I'm finally beginning to understand you now. 🤣

unclepokey · « **Reply #33 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:07:53 pm »

Quote from: Romeo Sensini on June 23, 2020, 03:23:34 pm

Whoa! Back the truck up.

Are you Hugh Hefner or something? Doesn't it cost like £150k plus just to get through the door?

If you know what and where is Lyford Cay Club you'll understand I will not say more.

Romeo Sensini · « **Reply #34 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:10:55 pm »

Quote from: unclepokey on June 23, 2020, 04:07:53 pm

If you know what and where is Lyford Cay Club you'll understand I will not say more.

You are the real James Bond and I claim my £5.

timsussex · « **Reply #35 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:15:54 pm »

When he stopped playing Bond Connery was asked if the films would continue He replied
"Yes - but who will play me ?"

AnthG · « **Reply #36 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:19:10 pm »

Quote from: timsussex on June 23, 2020, 04:15:54 pm

When he stopped playing Bond Connery was asked if the films would continue He replied
"Yes - but who will play me ?"

And then Lazenby knocked it out of the park. And made what many believe is the best and most complete Bond movie.

And those who do not like him, look at how tired and disinterested Connery was in Diamonds are Forever, imagine if it was Lazenby given the arse kickings he gave in the previous movie hell-bent of getting revenge for Tracy. It could have been epic.

In Diamonds they had to drop the whole Tracy death storyline so Bond and Blofeld were just camp foppish adversaries.

unclepokey · « **Reply #37 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:22:27 pm »

Quote from: Romeo Sensini on June 23, 2020, 04:10:55 pm

You are the real James Bond and I claim my £5.

No. But you're right about the fees which are egregious. Earlier this year I hosted a meal for four at the yacht club and had a bill of best part of $600. I struggle to hide £250 from my spouse for a 2 hour punt. Its a hard life.

daviemac · « **Reply #38 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:27:28 pm »

Quote from: winkywanky on June 23, 2020, 02:37:30 pm

I don't think Anth meant that one

That's the extent of my interest in James Bond, I've only ever seen two, From Russia With Love and Goldfinger, just not my thing. That's why it's so annoying to have to wade through a load of guff to find posts that are not only of interest to me but also have an effect on me on this site. I'm interested in people's viewpoints, if they want it unrestricted then why, I would like to know, it all adds to the bigger picture.

I'm quite happy not to look at this thread again and let fans discuss to their hearts content. (Subject to mod issues of course).

unclepokey · « **Reply #39 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:29:24 pm »

I'm done davie no more from me.
UP

mr.bluesky · « **Reply #40 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:39:20 pm »

Quote from: AnthG on June 23, 2020, 02:27:14 pm

Well Timothy Dalton was Welsh, that is kind of close to it

Pierce Brosnan is Irish American yet he also played Bond.

mr.bluesky · « **Reply #41 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:45:37 pm »

Quote from: Matrix on June 23, 2020, 02:46:22 pm

1 : Connery
2 : Dalton
3 : Moore
4 : Niven
5 : Brosnan
6 : Craig
7 : Lazenby

My word is final, cause Sean was my Grannys milkman.

What about David Niven he was in the original Casino Royale film

winkywanky · « **Reply #42 on:** June 23, 2020, 04:45:58 pm »

Quote from: daviemac on June 23, 2020, 04:27:28 pm

...it's so annoying to have to wade through a load of guff to find posts that are not only of interest to me but also have an effect on me on this site. I'm interested in people's viewpoints, if they want it unrestricted then why, I would like to know, it all adds to the bigger picture.

Of course.

Well, in a week's time the poll result will be in and Head1 will be making his decision, no doubt with reference to the Mods too