Safety/Starting out/Things to watch out for

[haggiaxxx]

So I've heard a couple of really grim things recently and been victim to them myself, so what I'm putting down here all the warning signs I can think off so that newbies can avoid getting robbed, ripped off or worse.

1. Use a punting phone (burner phone), punting only email and punting alias.

2. Don't carry ID, wallet etc with you- only carry your cash for the meet and your swinging dick.

3. If at any point, for any reason you feel like you're being messed around or unsafe just call the girl and say 'sorry luv, this seems dodgy I'm out of here'. No shame. Just go home and have a wank.

4. Don't hang around outside waiting to be let in, for flats to buzz you whatever. Park up five minutes walk away and call to confirm exact location and talk it through so as soon as you rock up to the door you can be let in.

5. If you're having an outcall and the girl asks to leave to drop the money off with someone else you're being robbed. Ask for some of the money back and then ask her to leave.

6. Always be suspicious of new profiles or foreign profiles. Assume it is a scam until you have reason to believe other wise. Check if they have consistent image galleries, locations text.

7. Use Google Reverse Image Search on new profiles' main pictures. If they turn up anywhere else (you may need to scroll down the results page a bit and look out for uncropped versions) it's a scam profile.

8. AW profiles are biased to being positive, because guys who leave negative reviews are open to getting shit from the girls in return. Check on here first. Anything to do with being flaky, not doing what's advertised, missing appointments then you're better off jogging on.

9. Never give a deposit. This is always a scam. If a legit girl asks for a deposit then politely say 'Sorry, too many girls use that as a scam.' Ask if you can webcam to prove you're legit.

10. Girls put their best photos on sites, they will usually look a dress size bigger and five years older in real life. Those that don't usually have big galleries and natural looking shots.

11. If there's any inconsistency in the details (location, description age) it's a scam.

12. If there's any last minute changes in the arrangements or pressure to upgrade a service or extend a session it's a scam to rob you for more money. Cancel and walk away.

13. Good booking etiquette- this is what works for me:

• Text or phone girl, ask if it's the right number by name ("hi, is this [name stated on profile]").
• If she replies in the positive pay a compliment and ask if she's available for an in/out call for the duration you want on the day you want.
• If she is ask how she wants to discuss what you want to get up to and use that method to confirm what services you'd like and if she's up for them.
• If that's all good confirm the time and post code, confirm it's okay to call when you're nearby.
• Be showered and have fresh breath before setting out, or arrange to shower there.
• Park around the corner/out of sight of the street the postcode is on. When you get there (5 mins early) call to confirm the house or flat and entry details.
• Text to update any lateness or issues you're having getting there.

14. You won't be thinking with your brain. If your alarm bells are ringing but you still want to see a girl have a wank and come back to it when you mind is clearer.

15. Cash Only. No bank transfers, no paypal. Those are all methods to scam you.

16. No bareback, ever.

That's all I can think of for now. Anything to add? Anything you'd say different on?

[Malvolio]

There's a whole wiki guide related to punting - if you're starting out make sure you read it.

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[daviemac]

Been covered quite a few times mate, there's threads in every region.

[Jerk Chicken]

Thanks for taking the time out OP to draft this. Newbies could well have a thorough read of this; will save them a lot of stress both in terms of safety and cash!

A few points I would like add that I do before punts:-

No 4: Once post code/address received. Google map it and ensure you're comfortable with the location/street scene your gonna fuck in. Look for obvious places to park don't rely upon WG guidance regarding parking. I have cancelled punts based on receiving post code.

No 8: New profiles are fine with the caveat of do your due dillegence. The unusual situation we find ourselves in means a number of first timers will dip their toes into the market to try and recover some cash lost since March. We must given them the benefit of the doubt (TOFTT) otherwise we will miss some gems. I have spotted a few already that have made their way onto my HL. All registered in June.

13: I always ask the SP if it is her in the picture ... if you're not thinking with your dick the reaction to the question is key. Obviously much harder if all comms are by text. But I ask anyway. One SP got shirty by text so I cancelled. She later apologised 30 mins later but I wasn't interested. A B&S was probably waiting for me.

14. Have a pre-determined cut-off time as to how long you are prepared to wait outside a house playing with your phone looking shifty. More so if comms go silent on arrival. Patience time will be different for each punter.

[bops909]

7. Use Google Reverse Image Search on new profiles' main pictures. If they turn up anywhere else (you may need to scroll down the results page a bit and look out for uncropped versions) it's a scam profile.


That's all I can think of for now. Anything to add? Anything you'd say different on?

This is a great list. Good on you for doing this.

Can I add a little to number 7 ?

7. Use Google Reverse Image Search on all profiles' pictures if you haven't met the person before. Profiles are often passed on so a profile dating from, say 2016 can easily be under new ownership.

A good idea is to copy the adultwork address into the search box on UKP and look at the results.

If they turn up anywhere else (you may need to scroll down the results page a bit and look out for uncropped versions) it's a sign it might be a scam profile.

If they turn up on another escort site it could be that they have multiple profiles in the UK  or that they were an escort elsewhere previously. A case in point is Carol Suzuki.

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Also has a Vivastreet profile

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She looks legit but some of  her images match to her previous profiles back in Brazil.

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[lewisjones23]

So I've heard a couple of really grim things recently and been victim to them myself, so what I'm putting down here all the warning signs I can think off so that newbies can avoid getting robbed, ripped off or worse.

1. Use a punting phone (burner phone), punting only email and punting alias.

2. Don't carry ID, wallet etc with you- only carry your cash for the meet and your swinging dick.

3. If at any point, for any reason you feel like you're being messed around or unsafe just call the girl and say 'sorry luv, this seems dodgy I'm out of here'. No shame. Just go home and have a wank.

4. Don't hang around outside waiting to be let in, for flats to buzz you whatever. Park up five minutes walk away and call to confirm exact location and talk it through so as soon as you rock up to the door you can be let in.

5. If you're having an outcall and the girl asks to leave to drop the money off with someone else you're being robbed. Ask for some of the money back and then ask her to leave.

6. Always be suspicious of new profiles or foreign profiles. Assume it is a scam until you have reason to believe other wise. Check if they have consistent image galleries, locations text.

7. Use Google Reverse Image Search on new profiles' main pictures. If they turn up anywhere else (you may need to scroll down the results page a bit and look out for uncropped versions) it's a scam profile.

8. AW profiles are biased to being positive, because guys who leave negative reviews are open to getting shit from the girls in return. Check on here first. Anything to do with being flaky, not doing what's advertised, missing appointments then you're better off jogging on.

9. Never give a deposit. This is always a scam. If a legit girl asks for a deposit then politely say 'Sorry, too many girls use that as a scam.' Ask if you can webcam to prove you're legit.

10. Girls put their best photos on sites, they will usually look a dress size bigger and five years older in real life. Those that don't usually have big galleries and natural looking shots.

11. If there's any inconsistency in the details (location, description age) it's a scam.

12. If there's any last minute changes in the arrangements or pressure to upgrade a service or extend a session it's a scam to rob you for more money. Cancel and walk away.

13. Good booking etiquette- this is what works for me:

• Text or phone girl, ask if it's the right number by name ("hi, is this [name stated on profile]").
• If she replies in the positive pay a compliment and ask if she's available for an in/out call for the duration you want on the day you want.
• If she is ask how she wants to discuss what you want to get up to and use that method to confirm what services you'd like and if she's up for them.
• If that's all good confirm the time and post code, confirm it's okay to call when you're nearby.
• Be showered and have fresh breath before setting out, or arrange to shower there.
• Park around the corner/out of sight of the street the postcode is on. When you get there (5 mins early) call to confirm the house or flat and entry details.
• Text to update any lateness or issues you're having getting there.

14. You won't be thinking with your brain. If your alarm bells are ringing but you still want to see a girl have a wank and come back to it when you mind is clearer.

15. Cash Only. No bank transfers, no paypal. Those are all methods to scam you.

16. No bareback, ever.

That's all I can think of for now. Anything to add? Anything you'd say different on?

Why would you need to pay a compliment?

[Jerk Chicken]

Why would you need to pay a compliment?

Doesn't hurt does it  same way you may pay a compliment to your Barber or the Refuse Collector.

OP was clearly making a suggestion with newbies in mind to get the comms off to a good start!

[David1970]

Why would you need to pay a compliment?

I find if I am nice to people they are nice to me, if you are an ignorant cunt to them they are an ignorant cunt to me.
“ weap what you sow”

[southcoastpunter]

Good list - yes there are similar lists around and a wiki guide but thanks Op for taking the time and trouble to share your knowledge/experience. I'd add:

5 - if you're having an outcall - DON'T..... at least not as a newbie unless you really don't have any choice. I consider myself an experienced punter and I know some on here will disagree becausze they have had no problems but i will NEVER have WG's to my place. Why take the risk if you don't have to.

[RedKettle]

Good list - yes there are similar lists around and a wiki guide but thanks Op for taking the time and trouble to share your knowledge/experience. I'd add:

5 - if you're having an outcall - DON'T..... at least not as a newbie unless you really don't have any choice. I consider myself an experienced punter and I know some on here will disagree becausze they have had no problems but i will NEVER have WG's to my place. Why take the risk if you don't have to.

Outcall to your home then I agree, terrible idea. However outcall to your hotel is great, in my opinion.

[Home Alone]

Good list - yes there are similar lists around and a wiki guide but thanks Op for taking the time and trouble to share your knowledge/experience. I'd add:

5 - if you're having an outcall - DON'T..... at least not as a newbie unless you really don't have any choice. I consider myself an experienced punter and I know some on here will disagree becausze they have had no problems but i will NEVER have WG's to my place. Why take the risk if you don't have to.

I'd agree with no 5, subject to RedKettle's exception, for two reasons, especially if you live, as I do, in a block of flats where we're all owner-occupiers.

First, twitching curtains. One nosy neighbour or another will clock the arrival - at pretty well any hour, day or night - of 'strange' women, by whom I mean those significantly younger and more attractive than yourself.

Secondly, if someone you know nothing about has placed the winning bid, how do you know she won't use the opportunity to suss out security measures?

It may sound paranoid; but I quite like living where I do and wouldn't want to be responsible for a spate of burglaries or attempted burglaries.

[daviemac]

Good list - yes there are similar lists around and a wiki guide but thanks Op for taking the time and trouble to share your knowledge/experience. I'd add:

5 - if you're having an outcall - DON'T..... at least not as a newbie unless you really don't have any choice. I consider myself an experienced punter and I know some on here will disagree becausze they have had no problems but i will NEVER have WG's to my place. Why take the risk if you don't have to.

I've had loads of outcalls to my own home, going back to the days before AW, when it was pick a phone number for a 'massage' from the back of one of the free papers, no description of the lass or what services were available, you just got what turned up.

I've had outcalls since and never had a problem, I don't see it as a risk though, I do my research thoroughly first. This doesn't mean I would tell others it's fine for them, it might not be.

The truth is there is no 'one size fits all' in punting. I think it's best to point out any risks or pitfalls there may be, then punters can decide if they apply to them.

[Gambitman92]

It isn't a one size fits all, I don't have a punting phone/sim, I use my personal number. I've seen girls with the pimp/security in another room, I've never paid her a compliment or asked if its her from the profile in the comms.

Anyone who needs to be told to shower, shave & use deodorant before a punt shouldn't be punting.

I started punting I believe in April 2019, been doing it the same way since, never had a problem.

[Gordon Bennett]

I always Google their phone number. It very often leads you to additional places she advertises, say Viva Street, where you may find additional info, cheaper prices or extra photos. It sometimes reveals the number is being used, or has been used, by other ladies.

[tesla]

I've had loads of outcalls to my own home, going back to the days before AW, when it was pick a phone number for a 'massage' from the back of one of the free papers, no description of the lass or what services were available, you just got what turned up.

I've had outcalls since and never had a problem, I don't see it as a risk though, I do my research thoroughly first. This doesn't mean I would tell others it's fine for them, it might not be.

The truth is there is no 'one size fits all' in punting. I think it's best to point out any risks or pitfalls there may be, then punters can decide if they apply to them.

what he said..

due diligence is key, as much research as possible before making a booking, and follow your gut, if it seems wrong it probably is.

[Ashleydowns_milf]

Don’t agree with number 9.

If you don’t have recent adultwork feedback most ladies I know ask for deposits. I’m often a touring escort with high hotel bills and if I’ve not seen you before I always get a depsoit for the first meeting.

Outcall escorts will also require a depsoit before getting in a taxi and travelling to you.

Lots of clients prefer to pay by bank transfer these days. Don’t assume because there are a few bad apples playing the system that we are all the same. Some of us run a professional business and do enjoy our job. I would agree the professional ladies would have some good reviews on here and also high adultwork feedback.

[Abs]

I've had loads of outcalls to my own home, going back to the days before AW, when it was pick a phone number for a 'massage' from the back of one of the free papers, no description of the lass or what services were available, you just got what turned up.

What happened if you didn't fancy her? Could you turn her away or was that bad form? (I mean considering you called her knowing that you had no idea who/what would turn up)

[daviemac]

Don’t agree with number 9.

If you don’t have recent adultwork feedback most ladies I know ask for deposits. I’m often a touring escort with high hotel bills and if I’ve not seen you before I always get a depsoit for the first meeting.

Outcall escorts will also require a depsoit before getting in a taxi and travelling to you.

Lots of clients prefer to pay by bank transfer these days. Don’t assume because there are a few bad apples playing the system that we are all the same. Some of us run a professional business and do enjoy our job. I would agree the professional ladies would have some good reviews on here and also high adultwork feedback.

There's absolutely no chance of me paying a deposit, I don't care what the circumstances are, I've never paid a deposit for an outcall either. Bank transfer, that's a laugh, cash in person at the start of the meet.

If an escort doesn't want my booking after a polite and to the point message or phone call I just move on. If I have money in my pocket to spend I want to spend it with those who make that easiest for me to give it to.  Not one for jumping through hoops in order to give someone my money.

I they want a phone call before accepting the booking then fair enough no problems with that, same as if they want a booking request put through on AW happy to do it. They still don't get my money until I hand it to them in person. (Oh and not in an envelope either  )

[daviemac]

What happened if you didn't fancy her? Could you turn her away or was that bad form? (I mean considering you called her knowing that you had no idea who/what would turn up)

It was a chance you took, either that or you didn't punt. To be fair the ones I saw were all reasonable, no horrors. I suppose you could bung her a few quid and chase her if you really didn't fancy her, the minder who was sitting in the car outside might have something to say about the amount though.   

[Abs]

It was a chance you took, either that or you didn't punt. To be fair the ones I saw were all reasonable, no horrors. I suppose you could bung her a few quid and chase her if you really didn't fancy her, the minder who was sitting in the car outside might have something to say about the amount though.   

You're a braver man than me. I'm lucky enough to only be a relative newcomer to punting (about 5 years or so, if memory serves)and have always had the internet so at least had a clue what I was getting myself in to (except B&S of course). I don't think I would have had the guts in the pre-internet days

[daviemac]

You're a braver man than me. I'm lucky enough to only be a relative newcomer to punting (about 5 years or so, if memory serves)and have always had the internet so at least had a clue what I was getting myself in to (except B&S of course). I don't think I would have had the guts in the pre-internet days

It was in the 80's, even mobile phones were a rarity and you had to give a landline number anyway. Aye happy days.   

[GorillaWarfare]

Don’t agree with number 9.

If you don’t have recent adultwork feedback most ladies I know ask for deposits. I’m often a touring escort with high hotel bills and if I’ve not seen you before I always get a depsoit for the first meeting.

Outcall escorts will also require a depsoit before getting in a taxi and travelling to you.

Lots of clients prefer to pay by bank transfer these days. Don’t assume because there are a few bad apples playing the system that we are all the same. Some of us run a professional business and do enjoy our job. I would agree the professional ladies would have some good reviews on here and also high adultwork feedback.

Unfortunately the "bad apples playing the system" mean we punters have to be just as careful as you WGs do, which is why I never pay deposits.

I understand that most WGs won't just take the money and cease all further contact than but, like you don't want to take that risk with a timewaster forcing you to pay out for a taxi, or loss of earnings that would otherwise go to a hotel bill, I and other people don't want to take the risk of a deposit scam.

Personally there's too many examples of people getting a deposit and going quiet for my liking and if me not paying a deposit means some girls won't see me then so be it. There's plenty of other girls that will.

[Jerk Chicken]

Don’t agree with number 9.

If you don’t have recent adultwork feedback most ladies I know ask for deposits. I’m often a touring escort with high hotel bills and if I’ve not seen you before I always get a depsoit for the first meeting.

Outcall escorts will also require a depsoit before getting in a taxi and travelling to you.

Lots of clients prefer to pay by bank transfer these days. Don’t assume because there are a few bad apples playing the system that we are all the same. Some of us run a professional business and do enjoy our job. I would agree the professional ladies would have some good reviews on here and also high adultwork feedback.

Don't know who your stablemates are but I have had nemerous outcalls to my hotel and not once have I had to pay a deposit. A few times the SP either requested proof I was actually there by way of a screen shot whilst others insisted on calling me in my room before getting in a taxi but that's it.

As for Bank transfer why? It leaves an Audit Trail and why would a punter want the SP to have his banking name pop up on a WG statement.

As per per @daviemac and @GorillaWarfare my advice to punters is  don't be so desperate to get in her knickers. If a deposit is requested simply move on to the next SP; does not matter how many reviews the SP has history shows there is a decent percentage chance you will get fucked over!

[mike63]

There's absolutely no chance of me paying a deposit, I don't care what the circumstances are, I've never paid a deposit for an outcall either. Bank transfer, that's a laugh, cash in person at the start of the meet.

If an escort doesn't want my booking after a polite and to the point message or phone call I just move on. If I have money in my pocket to spend I want to spend it with those who make that easiest for me to give it to.  Not one for jumping through hoops in order to give someone my money.

I they want a phone call before accepting the booking then fair enough no problems with that, same as if they want a booking request put through on AW happy to do it. They still don't get my money until I hand it to them in person. (Oh and not in an envelope either  )

I haven't paid a deposit yet, but I would do if it seemed reasonable to me, especially for an outcall. A lowish sum to cover the SP's travelling costs seems ok to me. I'd consider anything else on a case by case basis.

[The sperminator]

There's absolutely no chance of me paying a deposit, I don't care what the circumstances are, I've never paid a deposit for an outcall either. Bank transfer, that's a laugh, cash in person at the start of the meet.

If an escort doesn't want my booking after a polite and to the point message or phone call I just move on. If I have money in my pocket to spend I want to spend it with those who make that easiest for me to give it to.  Not one for jumping through hoops in order to give someone my money.

I they want a phone call before accepting the booking then fair enough no problems with that, same as if they want a booking request put through on AW happy to do it. They still don't get my money until I hand it to them in person. (Oh and not in an envelope either  )

I agree with you, I can understand a wg asking for a deposit to,an outcall if the punter has zero credibility  on aw , thats where things are a bit tricky for them

[Rochelle]

Outcall to your home then I agree, terrible idea. However outcall to your hotel is great, in my opinion.

Most people are perfectly fine. Many guys have outcalls to their homes with no issues. Most of my outcalls were to homes.

[Rochelle]

There's absolutely no chance of me paying a deposit, I don't care what the circumstances are, I've never paid a deposit for an outcall either. Bank transfer, that's a laugh, cash in person at the start of the meet.

If an escort doesn't want my booking after a polite and to the point message or phone call I just move on. If I have money in my pocket to spend I want to spend it with those who make that easiest for me to give it to.  Not one for jumping through hoops in order to give someone my money.

I they want a phone call before accepting the booking then fair enough no problems with that, same as if they want a booking request put through on AW happy to do it. They still don't get my money until I hand it to them in person. (Oh and not in an envelope either  )

No big deal if someone doesn't want to pay a deposit, but the guy said it's always a scam which is obviously bollocks. I've requested and have been sent deposits many times. Guys will do what suits them, innit.

[stargazer83]

Unfortunately the "bad apples playing the system" mean we punters have to be just as careful as you WGs do, which is why I never pay deposits.

I understand that most WGs won't just take the money and cease all further contact than but, like you don't want to take that risk with a timewaster forcing you to pay out for a taxi, or loss of earnings that would otherwise go to a hotel bill, I and other people don't want to take the risk of a deposit scam.

Personally there's too many examples of people getting a deposit and going quiet for my liking and if me not paying a deposit means some girls won't see me then so be it. There's plenty of other girls that will.

If it was someone I'd seen before and trusted to some extent - either to allow her to sort incall premises or travel to me I'd consider it and I've done it before.

Someone new? No chance.

[daviemac]

No big deal if someone doesn't want to pay a deposit, but the guy said it's always a scam which is obviously bollocks. I've requested and have been sent deposits many times. Guys will do what suits them, innit.

There's a few things I don't agree with in that guide, but I'm just saying what way I work, not that my way is best or even right. There's no doubt some pay deposits without problems, I'm not prepared to though.

There's a 210 page thread here that gives some indication the problems punters face with the bad apples among escorts. https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=420.0 Truth is there's good and bad on both sides and each have to decide for themselves what works best for them
 

[LLPunting]

Don’t agree with number 9.

If you don’t have recent adultwork feedback most ladies I know ask for deposits. I’m often a touring escort with high hotel bills and if I’ve not seen you before I always get a depsoit for the first meeting.

Outcall escorts will also require a depsoit before getting in a taxi and travelling to you.

Lots of clients prefer to pay by bank transfer these days. Don’t assume because there are a few bad apples playing the system that we are all the same. Some of us run a professional business and do enjoy our job. I would agree the professional ladies would have some good reviews on here and also high adultwork feedback.

Hi Ashley, pls update your profile name with your current advertised working name as you're currently not as labelled on AW.

Can you explain why you go touring without ensuring you have reliable bookings to cover your expensive outlay?

[Jerk Chicken]

If it was someone I'd seen before and trusted to some extent - either to allow her to sort incall premises or travel to me I'd consider it and I've done it before.

Someone new? No chance.

+1

This is the most common sense outlook without thinking of your dick approach to have. Shit happens in real life we have all heard fanily issues, car problems et al. Even if they are genuine the reoccurring theme is punters have great difficulty getting their deposit back.

[Rochelle]

Hi Ashley, pls update your profile name with your current advertised working name as you're currently not as labelled on AW.

Can you explain why you go touring without ensuring you have reliable bookings to cover your expensive outlay?

Is that a rule? For a long time, since the previous owner, I have used a different name to what was on my adultwork profile and there was no issue. As long as you're not trying to hide you're a service provider, and you provide your profile name, why does the username have to be the same?

Doesn't read that way to me.

[smiths]

Don’t agree with number 9.

If you don’t have recent adultwork feedback most ladies I know ask for deposits. I’m often a touring escort with high hotel bills and if I’ve not seen you before I always get a depsoit for the first meeting.

Outcall escorts will also require a depsoit before getting in a taxi and travelling to you.

Lots of clients prefer to pay by bank transfer these days. Don’t assume because there are a few bad apples playing the system that we are all the same. Some of us run a professional business and do enjoy our job. I would agree the professional ladies would have some good reviews on here and also high adultwork feedback.

Simple logic to ME, I have never and would never pay a WG a deposit, I pay WGs on the day when I meet them, and most WGs I deal with don't ask for a deposit. Getting money back off a WG might be very difficult, so I punt accordingly avoiding those who ask for deposits, if you have mugs as I view then as paying them good for you. I am very well aware of the utter stupidity of some punters.

I also wouldn't do an Outcall nowadays and haven't for years, far too potentially risky in my view, and there are countless low life WGs about who may have pimps, such scum knowing where I live is a never in this lifetime. And cash is king in my punting, fucking bank transfer, another never in this lifetime.