Patrick Hutchinson

[NIK]

Sarah Vine has suggested there ought to be a statue of the image of Patrick Hutchinson, the heroic black guy rescuing the injured white opposition protester.
Whilst I don't think that will happen, the powerful image ought to be preserved in some way.

[AnthG]

Never heard of this. but just looked at the news stories now.

I think what's more important is noting who he was going to be killed by. These "peaceful protestors" were going to murder someone and needed someone heroically jumping in risking their lives from the mob just to save him from certain death.

Puts a whole different slant on the whole. BLM demonstrators were all peaceful. And the evil counter-protestors were being violent and throwing things that the MSM all want to force down our throats, doesn't it.....

[David1970]

I watch Patrick Hutchinson and his friends who help the man who was injured interviewed on Channel 4 news. They all came over as down to early reasonable people, just decent normal people. One of them said they helped someone in trouble rather than just standing. I don’t think they deserve a statue but are due respect.

As for Sarah Vine ( Goves wife) of the Daily Mail showing respect to peace BLM demonstrators, I find that hard to believe unless there is an ulterior motive.   

[Doc Holliday]

Whilst I don't think that will happen, the powerful image ought to be preserved in some way.

Agree it was a very powerful image and something positive to report on for a change ...

... but its the same old story on here .....

Never heard of this. but just looked at the news stories now.

I think what's more important is noting who he was going to be killed by. These "peaceful protestors" were going to murder someone and needed someone heroically jumping in risking their lives from the mob just to save him from certain death.

Puts a whole different slant on the whole. BLM demonstrators were all peaceful. And the evil counter-protestors were being violent and throwing things that the MSM all want to force down our throats, doesn't it.....

[winkywanky]

With my cynical hat on I tend to think this was a publicity stunt. I strongly suspect it. I think I'm right in saying the guy said he was going to the demo, specifically to look for any injured to help?

I may be totally wrong, and in any case it's certainly a positive gesture.

If they wanted to make a statue out of the scenario, perhaps it could be a double-statue with a similarly-themed scenario showing support for BAME from White? That would be very worthwhile.

[AnthG]

... but its the same old story on here .....

Well it is kind of important to highlight we are being manipulated by the MSM.

If for example, a BLM protestor was going to be savagely murdered by the "right-wingers" I doubt the MSM would be so kind to them. They say murderous violent racist scum of the earth want to murder a black person and all need arresting and every demonstration by them needs to be forcibly restricted by the riot police. Lock them all up, lock them up and throw away the key

Is what they'd be baying for blood over and everyone knows it.

Do you not realize the seriousness of a group of people almost murdering someone and someone else needing to risk their lives to save them from them all. Is kind of extreme but we have to think they are all peaceful candle holder type protestors as that is what is forced down us to believe.

[David1970]

Well it is kind of important to highlight we are being manipulated by the MSM.

All media has a bias, it depends on the owner, the editor who they are targeting as customers.
There is also unconscious in the media where your upbringing can effect your reporting.
Some media are consciously biased, The Guardian, Daily Mail for example.
Some try to pretend they are neutral and only telling the truth when they are telling lies, RT and Alex Jones for example.
But to claim that the main broadcast outlets in this country are manipulating us says more about your basis, than their output

[AnthG]

But to claim that the main broadcast outlets in this country are manipulating us says more about your basis, than their output

Every year it gets found to be the least trusted media in the western world. By a far margin too. The second worse is way-way above ours. Every year the news in the UK comes rock bottom of trustworthiness

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Print media in the UK is the least trusted out of all European countries. In an annual survey of 33 countries (EU states as well as acceding and candidate countries), the UK comes last, a position it has held for 9 of the 10 years the survey has been conducted.

And to add, Russia is included in those 33 countries. Our news media is less trustworthy than even the State Controlled Russian News Media. That says all you need to know.

[winkywanky]

Our news media is less trustworthy than even the State Controlled Russian News Media. That says all you need to know.

Anth, you are clearly deluded  .

The very fact that we have the Daily Mail, the Guardian, and everything else in-between, means that we have differing views from which to form an opinion.

We have many TV channels too, although they'll tend to be more down the middle.

The only chance you have in Russia of hearing different voices is to ignore the official State-controlled News and go out of your way to look elsewhere.

And what about the fact that Russia has prepared its own Intranet, should they decide to pull the plug on the www. at some point.

Does that not tell you all you need to know? If you don't like differing opinions then just unplug yourself from the rest of the world   

[Ali Katt]

Sarah Vine has suggested there ought to be a statue of the image of Patrick Hutchinson, the heroic black guy rescuing the injured white opposition protester.
Whilst I don't think that will happen, the powerful image ought to be preserved in some way.

If there is a desperate need to have a statue for a Black hero why not someone like Maya Angelou who encouraged lots of young to become authors? It's just commentators being a mouthpiece for what they think is the status quo opinion. We saw this last year when people said Greta Thunberg should be PM of Germany. You can see the last days of Rome when people like Russell Brand, Akala and Stephen Fry are considered intellectuals.

[AnthG]

Anth, you are clearly deluded  .

I am not. Its a fact. Read the link I provided. For the last 10 years the news media across 33 countries have been compared for trustworthiness. And the UK nine out of those ten years has come in at rock bottom. Well below Russia too. And well below even the country in 32nd place. The one year we didn't come in at rock bottom, we came in at second last place too.

We have the worst, most untrustworthy news in the Western World. Comparing all 33 countries. And this is a statistical fact. Not an opinion, and not propaganda. Read the link I provided. Or google search it yourself. Its an official assessment carrying it out. Not some obscure right winger or something.

And what about the fact that Russia has prepared its own Intranet, should they decide to pull the plug on the www. at some point.

Does that not tell you all you need to know? If you don't like differing opinions then just unplug yourself from the rest of the world 

And even with all of that in mind of what the Russians are doing, ours is still officially deemed the worst. How bad must ours therefore be...........

[winkywanky]

I am not. Its a fact. Read the link I provided. For the last 10 years the news media across 33 countries have been compared for trustworthiness. And the UK nine out of those ten years has come in at rock bottom. Well below Russia too. And well below even the country in 32nd place. The one year we didn't come in at rock bottom, we came in at second last place too.

We have the worst, most untrustworthy news in the Western World. Comparing all 33 countries. And this is a statistical fact. Not an opinion, and not propaganda. Read the link I provided. Or google search it yourself. Its an official assessment carrying it out. Not some obscure right winger or something.

And even with all of that in mind of what the Russians are doing, ours is still officially deemed the worst. How bad must ours therefore be...........

Whether people trust the media in the UK depends on several factors.

Does it tell them what they want to hear?

Does it agree with their own politics?

Has there been a hacking scandal where selling papers was put before all else?

Has there been a recent paedophile scandal?


None of that means the govt controls what's said in the UK media.

Any idea what a media-trust poll in Russia might come up with? Would you even believe the result of the poll? Would you get shot by security services for even conducting the poll?

Get real Anth.

[AnthG]

Get real Anth.

Why get upset with me when I am reporting a statistical fact that has been independently found by a respected organisation.

I am sure they had all of those points in mind when they concluded ours is the worst.

Another point in response to what you say. People generally read the news that prints the type of news they want to hear. The last thing I want to ever do is read Owen Jones bang on about how Boris Johnson is a fascist. So I don't read the Guardian.

Equally the Daily Star just makes up news. So I don't read that rubbish either.

Brexit supporters will read the Express. Remainers will read the Telegraph.

[winkywanky]

Why get upset with me when I am reporting a statistical fact that has been independently found by a respected organisation.

I am sure they had all of those points in mind when they concluded ours is the worst.

Another point in response to what you say. People generally read the news that prints the type of news they want to hear. The last thing I want to ever do is read Owen Jones bang on about how Boris Johnson is a fascist. So I don't read the Guardian.

Equally the Daily Star just makes up news. So I don't read that rubbish either.

Brexit supporters will read the Express. Remainers will read the Telegraph.

Why do you think I'm upset? I'm not. I'm merely slightly incredulous, and there is a difference you know   

[winkywanky]

Why get upset with me when I am reporting a statistical fact that has been independently found by a respected organisation.

I am sure they had all of those points in mind when they concluded ours is the worst.

Another point in response to what you say. People generally read the news that prints the type of news they want to hear. The last thing I want to ever do is read Owen Jones bang on about how Boris Johnson is a fascist. So I don't read the Guardian.

Equally the Daily Star just makes up news. So I don't read that rubbish either.

Brexit supporters will read the Express. Remainers will read the Telegraph.

So in essence you say that all the UK news is biased and you don't trust it, so you only read the stuff you agree with?

[spiralnotebook]

And to add, Russia is included in those 33 countries. Our news media is less trustworthy than even the State Controlled Russian News Media. That says all you need to know.

By the bye I was just having a flick through the tv channels the other day when a current affairs programme caught my eye.
The presenter was saying that Facebooks newly integrated policy for removing undesirable political sites/posters had led them to ban around 497 sites deemed as politically unsuitable. The presenter then went on to highlite that by an amazing coincidence the US government had also just released a list of 497 politically undesirable sites, identical to facebooks list. The channel I saw this on was RTL. I did not see this reported on any western news outlets.
I am frequently amazed at what is going on in the world that we hear nothing about.

Actually this reminds me a little of GCE English lessons in the 70`s, we were shown a sample of the British press frothing at the mouth about the IRA bandstand bombing in London, murdering scum etc etc, wheras then we were shown a some continental newspapers which described the IRA as freedom fighters striking a blow for liberty. Always pays to keep a perspective on things.

[AnthG]

Actually this reminds me a little of GCE English lessons in the 70`s, we were shown a sample of the British press frothing at the mouth about the IRA bandstand bombing in London, murdering scum etc etc, wheras then we were shown a some continental newspapers which described the IRA as freedom fighters striking a blow for liberty. Always pays to keep a perspective on things.

In the early 90s. Star Trek the Next Generation had one episode banned by the BBC. They refused to show it. All because of one throwaway line by Commander Data saying the IRA caused a successful unification of Ireland in 2024. The episode was called The High Ground in Season 3.

Even back then the BBC controlled the narrative of what to think and believe.

[winkywanky]

In the early 90s. Star Trek the Next Generation had one episode banned by the BBC. They refused to show it. All because of one throwaway line by Commander Data saying the IRA caused a successful unification of Ireland in 2024. The episode was called The High Ground in Season 3.

Even back then the BBC controlled the narrative of what to think and believe.

So did Data explain whether it was a particularly large and carnage-inducing bomb which 'caused the successful reunification', or perhaps the guns were put down and a political solution was achieved?

You speak in a very simplistic way Anth, that's bias in itself, is it not?

[David1970]

Every year it gets found to be the least trusted media in the western world. By a far margin too. The second worse is way-way above ours. Every year the news in the UK comes rock bottom of trustworthiness

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And to add, Russia is included in those 33 countries. Our news media is less trustworthy than even the State Controlled Russian News Media. That says all you need to know.

Below are 2 quotes from the link you posted, the say that trust is low in UK newspapers and points out the Daily Mail, but say trust is high in the British broadcast media, pointing out the BBC.
If you mean the print media in the UK are trying to manipulate the public you are correct, if you mean the broadcast media you are wrong.

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While broadcast media is regulated by Ofcom, and enjoys stronger levels of public trust, newspapers have persisted with the sham IPSO complaints-handler. In one year alone IPSO received 8,000 complaints about discrimination and just 1 was upheld, while the body has failed to establish a single standards investigation in over five years. Until newspapers become independently regulated, trust will continue to decline.


Only today, the Daily Mail has devoted a whole page to criticise individuals for raising concerns about Personal Protective Equipment in a BBC programme. It appears that for the Mail free speech is not for everyone. The greatest irony is that the BBC is regulated independently, including for political partisanship, whereas the Mail remains entirely unregulated. If the Mail is so concerned it can write to Ofcom: if the individuals named and attacked in the Mail’s coverage have concerns, they might as well write to Santa.

[Pedalwall]

In the early 90s. Star Trek the Next Generation had one episode banned by the BBC.

Even back then the BBC controlled the narrative of what to think and believe.

Not banned by the BBC. there was a broadcasting ban imposed by the Thatcher govt in Britain and by RTE in Ireland (Section 31 of the Irish Broadcasting Act) that banned the voices of representatives of Sinn Fein, other republican groups and some loyalist groups being broadcast on television (not just the BBC) and radio (again, not just BBC) in Britain. The ban was, in fact, turned on its head by BBC, ITV and others who still showed people speaking but had actors speaking their words which they dubbed onto the pictures. In the end it looked exactly as it would if they person was allowed to voice their own words. Both govts were shown up and the bans were repealed in 1994.


PS I carry no torch for the BBC just like to ensure that we don't slant a discussion to suit our own ends!!

[Pedalwall]

Whilst I don't think that will happen, the powerful image ought to be preserved in some way.

Can visit St Martins in the Field off Trafalgar Square and see the very powerful image of Hector Peterson being carried after being shot dead by South African police in 1976!

[AnthG]

So did Data explain whether it was a particularly large and carnage-inducing bomb which 'caused the successful reunification', or perhaps the guns were put down and a political solution was achieved?

You speak in a very simplistic way Anth, that's bias in itself, is it not?

You are going at what I am saying from a whole different perspective to how I am meaning it. The IRA were evil terrorist scum bags. Everyone knows that.

My point solely was on the basis that the BBC clearly controlled the narrative about them. Even if Data said the IRA are my hero's I love then, they are peaceful protesters. Does that warrant an entire Star Trek episode being banned as he said it. Let people judge for themselves what they are. Report the actual facts and let people decide for themselves, not report slanted propaganda and control what people think is my point.

[winkywanky]

Not banned by the BBC. there was a broadcasting ban imposed by the Thatcher govt in Britain and by RTE in Ireland (Section 31 of the Irish Broadcasting Act) that banned the voices of representatives of Sinn Fein, other republican groups and some loyalist groups being broadcast on television (not just the BBC) and radio (again, not just BBC) in Britain. The ban was, in fact, turned on its head by BBC, ITV and others who still showed people speaking but had actors speaking their words which they dubbed onto the pictures. In the end it looked exactly as it would if they person was allowed to voice their own words. Both govts were shown up and the bans were repealed in 1994.


PS I carry no torch for the BBC just like to ensure that we don't slant a discussion to suit our own ends!!

All of what you say there is entirely correct, and I'd forgotten that RTE also had the same ban.

Just goes to show how hard it is to censor in this country though, and a good job too 

[David1970]

I am not. Its a fact. Read the link I provided. For the last 10 years the news media across 33 countries have been compared for trustworthiness. And the UK nine out of those ten years has come in at rock bottom. Well below Russia too. And well below even the country in 32nd place. The one year we didn't come in at rock bottom, we came in at second last place too.

We have the worst, most untrustworthy news in the Western World. Comparing all 33 countries. And this is a statistical fact. Not an opinion, and not propaganda. Read the link I provided. Or google search it yourself. Its an official assessment carrying it out. Not some obscure right winger or something.

And even with all of that in mind of what the Russians are doing, ours is still officially deemed the worst. How bad must ours therefore be...........

Read your own link it attacks the tabloid print media, not UK broadcasters

[winkywanky]

You are going at what I am saying from a whole different perspective to how I am meaning it. The IRA were evil terrorist scum bags. Everyone knows that.

My point solely was on the basis that the BBC clearly controlled the narrative about them. Even if Data said the IRA are my hero's I love then, they are peaceful protesters. Does that warrant an entire Star Trek episode being banned as he said it. Let people judge for themselves what they are. Report the actual facts and let people decide for themselves, not report slanted propaganda and control what people think is my point.

Well you need to explain better then.

I would agree with your assessment of the IRA. Having said that, the Good Friday agreement would never have come about, had they not committed to their heinous campaign of violence.

My point is that there were great wrongs on both sides, and before the Troubles started, life for Catholics in NI was absolutely shit. They were a downtrodden minority. Everyone went through that horrible violence and then (relative) peace came out the other end.

Amen to that.

[RedKettle]

Never heard of this. but just looked at the news stories now.

I think what's more important is noting who he was going to be killed by. These "peaceful protestors" were going to murder someone and needed someone heroically jumping in risking their lives from the mob just to save him from certain death.

Puts a whole different slant on the whole. BLM demonstrators were all peaceful. And the evil counter-protestors were being violent and throwing things that the MSM all want to force down our throats, doesn't it.....

You are so blinkered, often the case with people who believe they are free thinker.  Ironic.

I was surprised by Nik’s post but good for him making a positive story out of this.  But you have to come along and piss all over it.  (Careful about that if Nik is a monument to the creation of UKP you could get 2 weeks in jail.)

[NIK]

You are so blinkered, often the case with people who believe they are free thinker.  Ironic.

I was surprised by Nik’s post but good for him making a positive story out of this.  But you have to come along and piss all over it.  (Careful about that if Nik is a monument to the creation of UKP you could get 2 weeks in jail.)

Yes, there is a myth on here that I am a racist and hate non white people. Yes I do when they are criminals & freeloaders, but I feel the same about similar white people.
I am happy about decent people of all races. And this guy came across as eminently decent.

I wonder what happened to the guy he saved? We assume that he was a ‘far right racist.’  I wonder if he is and if so has changed his views?

[winkywanky]

Seems my cynicism was misplaced  Had a proper look at this now.

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Mr Hutchinson formed a group with four of his friends, who are part of London-based close protection group Ark Security, to protect young Black Lives Matter protesters from getting caught up in the violence at the protests.

They took it upon themselves to be the “overseers” at the protest, to make sure those who needed help were taken safely to emergency service workers.

The group spotted a lone white man being dragged by young black protesters through a crowd and thrown on the steps near the Royal Festival Hall.

“His life was under threat so I just went and scooped him up, put him over my shoulder, and started marching towards the police with him,” Mr Hutchinson told Channel 4 News.



Seems like Hutchinson went to the protest with some of his mates from a Close Protection Group they run/work for, to look out for any trouble and see if they could help out.

A bunch of young Black kids had got hold of a 55yr-old White guy, dragged him through the crowd and thrown him onto some stone steps. I don't know if there's any footage anywhere, or whether the White guy had been being an arse, but nevertheless he was presumably in great danger of of having the living shit kicked out of him at the very least. At the risk of being prejudiced, and obviously prejudice shouldn't go either way, the White guy was a Millwall fan so draw your own conclusions.

Basically the Protection guys formed a protective ring around the guy and then Hutchinson picked him up to carry him away.

So fair play to all of them, bloody good job 

[AnthG]

The group spotted a lone white man being dragged by young black protesters through a crowd and thrown on the steps near the Royal Festival Hall.

“His life was under threat so I just went and scooped him up, put him over my shoulder, and started marching towards the police with him,” Mr Hutchinson told Channel 4 News.

I also want to apologise now for my earlier remarks about the BLM protesters. That sounds totally peaceful.

[winkywanky]

I also want to apologise now for my earlier remarks about the BLM protesters. That sounds totally peaceful.

What remarks were they?

I think anyone suggesting that the BLM protests were entirely peaceful would be sadly deluded.

Perhaps not a fair comparison because I don't know how big the demos were at either weekend (first the BLM one, then the 'protecting statues' one) but I think I'm right in saying twice as many police were injured at the BLM protest than the other one with 'Right Wing Extremists'. So there was more violence directed at the police at the BLM demo.

I would agree that the MSM definitely put more of a slant of 'good intent' on the BLM one because it's basically in essence a good cause. And because of that the violence was slightly downplayed IMO.

Contrast that with the second, 'Statues' one, where the MSM were predicting and reporting on, 'Right Wing elements' being present. There was more concentration on what 'bad things' might happen.

[scutty brown]

whats this "MSM" buzzword newspeak crap that keeps getting mentioned?

On a punting forum I would have assumed it had the same meaning as in the medical world: Men who have Sex with Men.

[David1970]

whats this "MSM" buzzword newspeak crap that keeps getting mentioned?

On a punting forum I would have assumed it had the same meaning as in the medical world: Men who have Sex with Men.

It’s tends to used by people who don’t believe the truth, they believe wackos live Alex Jones and other extremist, it stands for Main Stream Media.

[pbrown355]

A Millwall fan so you can draw your own conclusions. Prejudice? Stereotyping?

[AnthG]

whats this "MSM" buzzword newspeak crap that keeps getting mentioned?

On a punting forum I would have assumed it had the same meaning as in the medical world: Men who have Sex with Men.

MSM means mainstream media.

It’s used by people who don’t believe the truth, they believe wackos live Alex Jones, it stands for Main Stream Media.

I believe reporters often have an agenda. Hence why everywhere has been saying these protests have been totally peaceful. And the evil rightwingers have been violent.

And yet here we go. A guy almost murdered for nothing. And yet where is the condemnation on this.

The guy who saved him is a bonafide hero. But he shouldn't have been needed.

[willie loman]

If there is a desperate need to have a statue for a Black hero why not someone like Maya Angelou who encouraged lots of young to become authors? It's just commentators being a mouthpiece for what they think is the status quo opinion. We saw this last year when people said Greta Thunberg should be PM of Germany. You can see the last days of Rome when people like Russell Brand, Akala and Stephen Fry are considered intellectuals.

I don't know if there is a desperate need or not, wouldn't mind someone telling my if there is a single statue of a black man or woman in Britain.

[Davey Dykes]

Here's the harmless little snowflake that Ant is going on about being carried away. As you can clearly see he is in no way a pissed up right wing fanatic protecting his heritage or any type of pig based produce let alone gammon.



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[David1970]

I don't know if there is a desperate need or not, wouldn't mind someone telling my if there is a single statue of a black man or woman in Britain.

From the top of my head, Mandela and Gandhi in London and Jamaican-born Alfred Fagon in the St Paul’s area of Bristol,.

[pbrown355]

AnthG's link is to a comment from a biased group about a report from I don't know who. WTF

[willie loman]

From the top of my head, Mandela and Gandhi in London and Jamaican-born Alfred Fagon in the St Paul’s area of Bristol,.

thanks for that, that's 3 in England, fairly sure there will be none in Scotland ,or anywhere else in Britain, Ghandi from what little I know about the guy, will be well pleased to be called a black, lol.

[winkywanky]

whats this "MSM" buzzword newspeak crap that keeps getting mentioned?

On a punting forum I would have assumed it had the same meaning as in the medical world: Men who have Sex with Men.

Mainstream Meeja 

[winkywanky]

It’s tends to used by people who don’t believe the truth, they believe wackos live Alex Jones and other extremist, it stands for Main Stream Media.

But not always, I tend to believe the MSM.

It's just an acronym.

[scutty brown]

Every year it gets found to be the least trusted media in the western world. By a far margin too. The second worse is way-way above ours. Every year the news in the UK comes rock bottom of trustworthiness

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And to add, Russia is included in those 33 countries. Our news media is less trustworthy than even the State Controlled Russian News Media. That says all you need to know.

That report is by a self-appointed British group who already had their own preconceived results before they began the survey. They offer no details of methodology, survey techniques, sample selection - or comparison between  methods in different countries.
In short its unscientific balderdash

[scutty brown]

From the top of my head, Mandela and Gandhi in London and Jamaican-born Alfred Fagon in the St Paul’s area of Bristol,.

Mandela
a terrorist

Ghandi
his actions directly caused the segregation of India and Pakistan and the subsequent millions dead

And we've erected statues?

[willie loman]

Mandela
a terrorist

Ghandi
his actions directly caused the segregation of India and Pakistan and the subsequent millions dead

And we've erected statues?

William Wallace another terrorist, come on grow up, put things in context.

[AnthG]

That report is by a self-appointed British group who already had their own preconceived results before they began the survey. They offer no details of methodology, survey techniques, sample selection - or comparison between  methods in different countries.
In short its unscientific balderdash

So then how about this one from the results from an earlier report in 2017

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[AnthG]

And here is Nigel Farage discussing on a live stream that fact also that he does not trust the British press at all too.

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[David1970]

And here is Nigel Farage discussing on a live stream that fact also that he does not trust the British press at all too.

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As I posted earlier
“It’s tends to used by people who don’t believe the truth, they believe wackos live Alex Jones and other extremist, it stands for Main Stream Media.“

[AnthG]

As I posted earlier
“It’s tends to used by people who don’t believe the truth, they believe wackos live Alex Jones and other extremist, it stands for Main Stream Media.“

So just checking I understand your suggested statement there, are you suggesting Nigel Farage is an extremist?

[scutty brown]

So then how about this one from the results from an earlier report in 2017

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no methodology
no mention of sampling methods
1000 interviewees per country, not even statistically significant

and just to prove how ridiculous this is, first linked news item on that page
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yet again journalists with preconceived answers writing the questions after the event. Any distrust of UK media is due to twisters like these

[scutty brown]

So just checking I understand your suggested statement there, are you suggesting Nigel Farage is an extremist?

Well I think he is. A political extremist in the pay of Moscow