Off Topic was bought back because of lack of punting. Whats your views

[Malvolio]

So let me get this straight anyone who highlights No blacks allowed policy, the deficiencies of Romanian services, taking about Covid and any lockdown rules being insufficient etc. will be deleted and warned, as all these are possibly contentious issues and highlighting them continually would be classed as trolling..

Just trying to understand what is allowed to be said in OT and normal reviews...

I think the mods will be busy with post reports going forwards...

I'd assume such posts wouldn't be in off-topic, and would be OK because they cover aspects of punting. 

[Beamer]

The majority voted to keep Off Topic without any restrictions. The postalots don't want to rock the boat, so as I'm not controversial I ask you what was the purpose of having a poll in the first place? 

My understanding is that it was purely a bit of support for the owners decision making process.
In any event it showed that very few people are interested In the vote. This given that I understand we have '000's of members but only a handful voted.

[Kev40ish]

FFS
Just keep it civil and perverted.
It's easy really

I tend to agree but it was a pointless exercise offering a vote, bit disappointing it wasted everyone’s time to express an opinion....
just set the rules and kick off the site anyone who abuses them.
It’s nice and simple now we know the ground rules..

[NIK]

So let me get this straight anyone who highlights No blacks allowed policy, the deficiencies of Romanian services, taking about Covid and any lockdown rules being insufficient etc. will be deleted and warned, as all these are possibly contentious issues and highlighting them continually would be classed as trolling..

Just trying to understand what is allowed to be said in OT and normal reviews...

I think the mods will be busy with post reports going forwards...

Politics is a wide spectrum and is impossible to regulate. I am amazed this doesn’t seem to be understood, but the ‘extremist’ thought police have got their way, as they do everywhere else in this allegedly ‘tolerant’    society.
Anyway, be lucky.

[Kev40ish]

I'd assume such posts wouldn't be in off-topic, and would be OK because they cover aspects of punting.

So your allowed to mention race, politics and religion if it’s not in OT..
Seems a tad inconsistent

[AnthG]

In any event it showed that very few people are interested In the vote. This given that I understand we have '000's of members but only a handful voted.

But isn't that a good thing at the end of the day? It means Offtopic is just a small area for people to chat if they want to.

I see the same group of people posting in all the topics. Its not the masses of the forum its around 20 people just having some chilled out fun. Where is the harm in that?

[Head1]

I tend to agree but it was a pointless exercise offering a vote, bit disappointing it wasted everyone’s time to express an opinion....
just set the rules and kick off the site anyone who abuses them.
It’s nice and simple now we know the ground rules..

It didn't waste my time to see everyone's opinion

[scutty brown]

The majority voted to keep Off Topic without any restrictions. The postalots don't want to rock the boat, so as I'm not controversial I ask you what was the purpose of having a poll in the first place? 

34.6% is not a majority
52.8% voted for some kind of restriction, there's the majority - and of those 39 wanted no religion or race, while 45 wanted no religion race or politics. It looks to me as if the vote result has been honoured

[Head1]

Anyway, be lucky.

What color is your cab??

[Kev40ish]

It didn't waste my time to see everyone's opinion

Not your time perhaps, I suppose we all have not a lot to do at the moment, so we all have time on our hands..

You know me I say it as I see it I am disappointed but it’s your site and I have always supported your decisions even if I don’t agree 

[AnthG]

52.8% voted for some kind of restriction, there's the majority - and of those 39 wanted no religion or race, while 45 wanted no religion race or politics. It looks to me as if the vote result has been honoured

59.1% of people who voted, did not want any restriction on politics. That's the majority. That is nearly 2/3rds of people.

[Chorley]

Politics is a wide spectrum and is impossible to regulate. I am amazed this doesn’t seem to be understood, but the ‘extremist’ thought police have got their way, as they do everywhere else in this allegedly ‘tolerant’    society.
Anyway, be lucky.

So your saying the site owner and admins are extremist thought Police then NIK? 

[Kev40ish]

34.6% is not a majority
52.8% voted for some kind of restriction, there's the majority - and of those 39 wanted no religion or race, while 45 wanted no religion race or politics. It looks to me as if the vote result has been honoured

If I was allowed to discuss PR voting I would, but maybe that’s against the rules..
I believe if first past the post but obviously respect Head1s liberal views 

[hendrix]

FFS
Just keep it civil and perverted.
It's easy really

Fair enough!

[Fuzzyduck]

That’s the problem with some of the interested threads on OT they just get derailed unfortunately..
I don’t mind people discussing the now banned subjects but I would have pulled up the people who continually derailed threads, rather than deleting them..

He can blame the extremist thought police all he likes but the thread was set up to fail by the OP.

[Kev40ish]

He can blame the extremist thought police all he likes but the thread was set up to fail by the OP.

Unfortunately true. Hopefully we will have some thought inspiring threads going forwards without hidden agendas

[Head1]

Unfortunately true. Hopefully, we will have some thought-inspiring threads going forwards without hidden agendas

There is a tiny minority here trying to be provocative and fuck things for everyone.
They won't get their airtime and the punters will
This is what this site is about. 

[Fuzzyduck]

Unfortunately true. Hopefully we will have some thought inspiring threads going forwards without hidden agendas

[smiths]

My understanding is that it was purely a bit of support for the owners decision making process.
In any event it showed that very few people are interested In the vote. This given that I understand we have '000's of members but only a handful voted.

Its says UKP has nearly 61,000 members and out of that 159 voted so a minute fraction voted in the end.

[Head1]

A minute fraction post

[Kev40ish]

There is a tiny minority here trying to be provocative and fuck things for everyone.
They won't get their airtime and the punters will
This is what this site is about.

I totally agree and it’s important it is called out and dealt with.
My frustration with discussing banned subjects in OT was a few people just couldn’t stop, they had to push the boundaries and resorted to insults, which stopped people who were genuinely interested in discussing and learning..
Thankfully I am not a Mod or I would have banned them...

But if it makes a more harmonious site I have no complaints..

[Chorley]

So you're saying the site owner and admins are extremist thought Police then NIK? 

[Chorley]

.

[Head1]

I totally agree and it’s important it is called out and dealt with.
My frustration with discussing banned subjects in OT was a few people just couldn’t stop, they had to push the boundaries and resorted to insults, which stopped people who were genuinely interested in discussing and learning..
Thankfully I am not a Mod or I would have banned them...

But if it makes a more harmonious site I have no complaints..

Sweet

[smiths]

A minute fraction post

Yes same as on most forums.

[Thephoenix]

My understanding is that it was purely a bit of support for the owners decision making process.
In any event it showed that very few people are interested In the vote. This given that I understand we have '000's of members but only a handful voted.

Don't know how I completely missed this whole topic until the result was announced.
It's irrelevant, but I would have voted for the no race/religion/politics option.

I've just read through the whole 16 pages and observed all the childish bickering by some of the usual big numbers throughout the thread, and I think that's put a lot of people off.

As a comparative newboy and my inks not even dried, I'm interested in the history of the site, and very grateful to all the veterans who've contributed to making this such a great facility....... But fuck me!... There's some massive egos on here.

I like to think that all member's views new and old have equal credence and respect.

[sparkus]

The majority voted to keep Off Topic without any restrictions. The postalots don't want to rock the boat, so as I'm not controversial I ask you what was the purpose of having a poll in the first place? 

No they didn't.  The two almost identical middle options had a combined majority.

[Blackpool Rock]

There is a tiny minority here trying to be provocative and fuck things for everyone.
They won't get their airtime and the punters will
This is what this site is about.

As it's a punting site this should keep everyone happy apart from a few, perhaps as a goodwill gesture they could have their annual subscription fee returned   

[cotton]

No they didn't.  The two almost identical middle options had a combined majority.

Actually if your going to start combining options the 2 topmost options had the greatest combined majority 

[Belgarion]

There is a tiny minority here trying to be provocative and fuck things for everyone.
They won't get their airtime and the punters will
This is what this site is about.

Agreed. The posts are designed to be provocative and when OT was gone, they disappeared as they don't offer anything punting related.

There are other sites for their provocative views

[whiskyfan]

Actually if your going to start combining options the 2 topmost options had the greatest combined majority 

What decision would you have made based on that combination though? Options 1 and 3 actually have the greatest combined majority but that's equally unhelpful to the decision making process.

[Doc Holliday]

There is a tiny minority here trying to be provocative and fuck things for everyone.
They won't get their airtime and the punters will
This is what this site is about.

That to me was the issue rather than the topics themselves. It was outright trolling under the guise of open discussion. Light the blue touch paper etc.

Could it maybe not be a case of having resorted to the blunt tool of lockdown rather than just identifying and isolating a few individual cases?

Anyway the most important thing for the forum health is to hope for a safe and increased return to punting and to open up new registrations and introduce new blood (while keeping an eye open for returning bad blood  )

[scutty brown]

That to me was the issue rather than the topics themselves. It was outright trolling under the guise of open discussion. Light the blue touch paper etc.

Could it maybe not be a case of having resorted to the blunt tool of lockdown rather than just identifying and isolating a few individual cases?

Anyway the most important thing for the forum health is to hope for a safe and increased return to punting and to open up new registrations and introduce new blood (while keeping an eye open for returning bad blood  )

And talking of returning bad blood, does anyone know if these two sites are real or piss-takes?
External Link/Members Only
External Link/Members Only
If they're real then Redcrab comes across as a bit of a tout in the past

[cotton]

What decision would you have made based on that combination though? Options 1 and 3 actually have the greatest combined majority but that's equally unhelpful to the decision making process.

Well the numbers basically say that 59% voted for politics to stay.
65% voted for no religion or race.
So the vote numbers would indicate a preference for no religion or race but for politics to stay.
But as has been mentioned before politics has a habit of meandering into race and religion so possibly the best option was decided to ban all 3.

[whiskyfan]

Well the numbers basically say that 59% voted for politics to stay.
65% voted for no religion or race.
So the vote numbers would indicate a preference for no religion or race but for politics to stay.
But as has been mentioned before politics has a habit of meandering into race and religion so possibly the best option was decided to ban all 3.

Yes, basically nothing has changed since I posted this.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=278605.msg2888388#msg2888388

Watching people misinterpret the numbers to suit themselves has been quite funny though.

[AnthG]

And talking of returning bad blood, does anyone know if these two sites are real or piss-takes?
External Link/Members Only
External Link/Members Only
If they're real then Redcrab comes across as a bit of a tout in the past

L4F did them, the good hint at that fact is his constant recommendation of the forum L4F setup and ran...And also recommending people see her specifically too.

She really was off the charts evil and she hated JRC with a passion.

[RAJEC]

There is a tiny minority here trying to be provocative and fuck things for everyone.
They won't get their airtime and the punters will
This is what this site is about.

The irony of the minority having this backfire on them so catastrophically is 

Hopefully they will see that the very same principle that they apply to their inflammatory posts is in fact what also happens in the real world, and is not reflective of the majority.

Bring on the good times 

[RAJEC]

I also hope the minority can find their “sense of humour” and see the funny side that we, the majority, can see 

[AnthG]

Hopefully they will see that the very same principle that they apply to their inflammatory posts is in fact what also happens in the real world, and is not reflective of the majority.

And look how great the "real world" is because there are select issues people cannot comment on or risk being cancelled out from society if they do.

We are going to hell in a handcart because of it right now.

(I am not criticising the forum for not wanting to have those discussions, as it is just a punting forum, I am criticising people thinking not being able to comment on certain topics in the real world is a good thing).

[RAJEC]

And look how great the "real world" is because there are select issues people cannot comment on or risk being cancelled out from society if they do.

We are going to hell in a handcart because of it right now.

(I am not criticising the forum for not wanting to have those discussions, as it is just a punting forum, I am criticising people thinking not being able to comment on certain topics in the real world is a good thing).

If it wasn’t mostly done in a provocative and inflammatory manner I’d agree.

Unfortunately I and most others don’t.

 

[lostandfound]

That to me was the issue rather than the topics themselves. It was outright trolling under the guise of open discussion. Light the blue touch paper etc.

Could it maybe not be a case of having resorted to the blunt tool of lockdown rather than just identifying and isolating a few individual cases?

Anyway the most important thing for the forum health is to hope for a safe and increased return to punting and to open up new registrations and introduce new blood (while keeping an eye open for returning bad blood  )

I agree, and I think that was the attraction of an unrestricted off topic for some. It's not that they cannot express those opinions, because there are other forums where they can do that, where they would not be disruptive because everyone on there has similar views. What they particularly enjoy, it seems to me, is being disruptive, which I guess is a definition of trolling.

[AnthG]

there are other forums where they can do that

Forums that have unrestricted off-topic discussions, the trolls then take over and run the place. And then nobody can discuss anything whatsoever.

[RAJEC]

Forums that have unrestricted off-topic discussions, the trolls then take over and run the place. And then nobody can discuss anything whatsoever.

Sound familiar, mate?

Again, the irony 

[smiths]

L4F did them, the good hint at that fact is his constant recommendation of the forum L4F setup and ran...And also recommending people see her specifically too.

She really was off the charts evil and she hated JRC with a passion.

Yes I recall this as well.

[lostandfound]

Forums that have unrestricted off-topic discussions, the trolls then take over and run the place. And then nobody can discuss anything whatsoever.

That's not what the meaning of what I said. I would suggest that if you think it is you should re-read my post, but I know you are a special case Anth ...

[Blackpool Rock]

I agree, and I think that was the attraction of an unrestricted off topic for some. It's not that they cannot express those opinions, because there are other forums where they can do that, where they would not be disruptive because everyone on there has similar views. What they particularly enjoy, it seems to me, is being disruptive, which I guess is a definition of trolling.

I guess they can now all trot off following their mate JRC to Parler and vomit bile all over the place unrestricted.

There's also a certain irony that it's called Parler rather than Parlour which most of them haven't frequented for a few years     

[sparkus]

I guess they can now all trot off following their mate JRC to Parler and vomit bile all over the place unrestricted.

There's also a certain irony that it's called Parler rather than Parlour which most of them haven't frequented for a few years   

No doubt a post will appear there, "The Day UKP Died".

[Ali Katt]

It's a topic in itself, but there is no need for petty squabbles relating back to the off topic board from years back. If you don't like somebody stick them on ignore. Why wind them up with you're a troll, you're a cunt, you're a racist, you're a lefty type posts? Likewise it's good to see the report post function is no longer a target practice for attempting to get people banned whom they don't like. Every cloud.

[AnthG]

That's not what the meaning of what I said. I would suggest that if you think it is you should re-read my post, but I know you are a special case Anth ...

I know exactly what you were saying, I may be special, but I am not that special, but I took what you were saying as a means to say what I wanted to say.

I guess they can now all trot off following their mate JRC to Parler and vomit bile all over the place unrestricted.

Sound familiar, mate?

Again, the irony 

Yes, it's very familiar. But it's interesting. When you get a free for all. You know like Escape from New York forum style. It's not the conservative speakers that run ragged and troll the place and spout bile at people and bring the forum down.  It's the, 'if you say one thing we don't like we are going to hound you forevermore and trash and twist your posts until you do get banned or hounded off' brigade that troll the place. i.e the anti conservatives.

That is real trolling right there. And what happens, and what always seems to happen. This is how Pnet fell, due to ChloeKisses doing it, and how another forum is falling due some other nameless idiot doing it.

[lostandfound]

I know exactly what you were saying, I may be special, but I am not that special, but I took what you were saying as a means to say what I wanted to say.

Yes - instead of being what I said, as far as your concerned it means what you wanted it to say. That special Anth logic.