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Offline Cactus

Who’s working from home and how are you finding it? Are you working at full pelt or has productivity tailed off?

I’ve been doing it since mid March, so nearly 3 months and over the last month or so I’ve been feeling fatigued with it. I’ve tried to keep a somewhat structured day, at my desk by 9, regular breaks, lunch at 1ish, nip out for a walk or cycle, then back at it till 5/6ish. Some days things slip and I don’t beat myself up over it. I was originally all over the place with work times, but find sticking to something like a normal day is best.

What tactics do you use for successful WFH?

I’m hearing some rumblings that WFH will be here for the foreseeable future. A mate who works for the Scottish Government has been told he’s at home till October & another pal who works in the gaming industry has been told that he’s WFH for the remainder of the year. :scare:
« Last Edit: June 10, 2020, 12:59:03 am by Cactus »

Offline Beamer

I was not a fan of wfh until now.
We have a number of fairly senior managers who were forced to WFH and at a meeting last week agreed that we need to forget the old ways and  create a way of working geared to the customer of course but changing the whole pattern. 
We were going to look at some new larger offices but have binned that. Now asked a team to review systems, IT support and every aspect including hot desking. The last few months have  completely changed our views, not least because we "feel" productivity is way up. We need to sort a few more things but I am sure that we have all experienced the beginning of a whole new way of working for the business.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2020, 01:46:49 am by Beamer »

Offline Gloodz

I made the decision to go back to higher education back in January, turns out it was rather a good time to make that decision!  :scare:
It's not the same as when I had a real 9-5 (more like a 5-9 in my case!), but my productivity shot up once the uni library re-opened for business. Having a physical location to go to really helps kill the allure of opening up the incognito tab every 5 minutes!

Not sure if i'd class myself as a successful WFH-er, but I find that embracing the more flexible schedule that comes with the territory and taking regular breaks can do wonders for your long-term output. Conversely trying to draw a hard line in the sand, turning off your phone and shutting the curtains for hours on end in an effort to block out the world and work uninterrupted for hours on end rarely leads to a productive period.

You are right about WFH becoming more prominent in future, this months edition of New Scientist had several articles that mentioned this thinking and highlighted the ecological good it could do (fewer CO2 emissions as less traffic) as well as the impact it could have on house prices and regional planning (less of a need for people to be clustered around one spatial point for work).

Just as an aside, I used to work in education and some of my old colleagues have been delivering virtual lessons via webcam, they thought it was weird that early into the covid response the press started speculating that this could be the future of delivering education, completely ignoring how unfeasible it would be for many students living near or below the poverty line (and indeed a significant number of those considered well above it), as well as those with special educational needs. Now they seem to have done an about face and are critical of suggestions by some that maybe a team whose job is to write virtual code don't need to be physically present in a building every day.

Overall, fingers crossed that industry big-wigs do take a serious look at whether all of their workers need to be commuting in for every scheduled work-day, and the concept of commuting into work transitions from being assumed to more of an industry/job specific action. One that isn't expected of every worker and even then, not a constant expectation for those that do need to be physically present at work. If nothing else, these same big-wigs should be chomping at the bit for such action as it'll significantly reduce running costs (less office space required = less rent/land costs) and could go some way to closing the gap in competition between smaller-mid sized businesses and giant companies.

Offline MilleMiglia

Be careful what you wish for. I was reading a post on another forum, by someone who had their job at a bank outsourced a few years back. He pointed out that if your tasks can be properly done by working remotely, then it doesn't matter if they're done by you, 50 miles from the office, or a guy in India on a fraction of your wage.

Offline Beamer

Be careful what you wish for. I was reading a post on another forum, by someone who had their job at a bank outsourced a few years back. He pointed out that if your tasks can be properly done by working remotely, then it doesn't matter if they're done by you, 50 miles from the office, or a guy in India on a fraction of your wage.

It's already happened with a lot of banks and financial institutions.  My business is heavily linked to financial  customer service, but at the top end. That's why we are reviewing every aspect and our findings during the lockdown have already pointed us in  a few surprising directions. Its certainly not all doom and gloom.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2020, 06:42:39 am by Beamer »

Offline Gloodz

Be careful what you wish for. I was reading a post on another forum, by someone who had their job at a bank outsourced a few years back. He pointed out that if your tasks can be properly done by working remotely, then it doesn't matter if they're done by you, 50 miles from the office, or a guy in India on a fraction of your wage.

This is true, the scope of your competition opens up massively if remotely working, but so too does the amount of jobs you are now eligible/considerable for. It's a bit of a trade-off that may affect some industries worse/better than others, but on could average out as no net change in overall employability.

Offline kippydon

I used to work from  between 1 and 2 days a week anyway  before lock down,

so working from 5 days instaed of one or two , was hard at first , but you get used to it

for me i take regular breaks ,  we have been advised to call up colleagues if feeling lonely or want to just chat , also we have regular skype calls , so at least you can talk with people

the main thing is you just need to make sure your mental health is good, because the office enviroment and intereacting with people at work is different, from working from home

i know some of my colleagyes cannot wait t get back in the office, but i think  we will be working from home untill the forseeble future


Offline Blackpool Rock

I always said that WFH wouldn't suit me / what i do as i'm not regimented enough to sit at home working and need to have too much face to face interaction with others i work with to physically look at things.

Actually i'm really glad now that it's an option and going into work 1 or 2 times a week to sort things that physically need to be done is fine.
I found out fairly early on that it's impossible for me to work effectively at home with any sort of distractions, so while I had the TV news on in the background I found it hard to concentrate so now it's silence if I want to get anything done.
Not a total shock though as when i'm in the office i've always struggled with excess noise and find it hard if not impossible to work with all the chatting going on around me or some shitty radio station constantly on.

It's also good not having constant interruptions with people coming up to you asking to get things sorted that they should be sorting themselves, also the twats who seemingly want to call meetings about meetings don't have that oxygen anymore.

Consequently my focus time seems to be far more productive and i'm no longer feeling stressed out plus i'm sleeping properly which I haven't done for at least 20 years  :thumbsup:

I was previously planning on early retirement in a couple of years time however i'm now thinking that if I can keep WFH then I could probably manage a few extra years which would allow me to punt to my hearts content once I do finally jack it in  :thumbsup: 

Offline MilleMiglia

I used to work from  between 1 and 2 days a week anyway  before lock down,

so working from 5 days instaed of one or two , was hard at first , but you get used to it

for me i take regular breaks ,  we have been advised to call up colleagues if feeling lonely or want to just chat , also we have regular skype calls , so at least you can talk with people

the main thing is you just need to make sure your mental health is good, because the office enviroment and intereacting with people at work is different, from working from home

i know some of my colleagyes cannot wait t get back in the office, but i think  we will be working from home untill the forseeble future


Agree about the mental health bit, and I'm glad I'm still at work, albeit pissed off about having to wear a mask for the whole day.

Offline JamesKW

I did it for a few weeks,then returned to the office,I found the WIFI crap when everyone using it at the same time,it took twice as long to do everything.If WFH becomes the norm,laptop and an internet connection is all you need,then firms dont need to employ people in this country they can outsource to the lowest bidder.

Offline MilleMiglia

Somewhat off topic, but this is worth reading:

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TL;DR-Nokia closes factory in Bochum, and relocates to Cluj. Town spends money on infrastructure to make things easier for Nokia. Only 3 years later, Nokia closes the Cluj factory, and relocates to fuck-knows-where in Asia.

Offline lostandfound

Re work being relocated to anywhere in the world, this has already been kicked around in IT, and the predicted gloom and doom for the American programmer did not come to pass. Cultural differences around the world turned out to be important and also many organisations want the security of having work done on home soil or even onsite.

Offline Beamer

Somewhat off topic, but this is worth reading:

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TL;DR-Nokia closes factory in Bochum, and relocates to Cluj. Town spends money on infrastructure to make things easier for Nokia. Only 3 years later, Nokia closes the Cluj factory, and relocates to fuck-knows-where in Asia.

Nokia have a history amongst blue chip companies of being one of the worst at long term strategic planning. 
I have lost touch nowadays but in other areas there were some excellent examples of initiatives that they supported. Arguably,  they couldn't handle the plethora of market and industry changes. They also put far to much reliance on old technology.  A case of sand, bury, head  !

Offline Adoniron

Been working from home since this all started. Don't miss the commuting, don't miss the interaction with colleagues and the social side. I have worked productively and well, there is nothing I can do in the office that I can't do from home. I wouldn't want to work from home full time indefinitely, but I would welcome the flexibility to do so on occasions in the future. Many employers have resisted home working because of fears over productivity and a loss of control, but the crisis has shown that with the right arrangements and support it can be successful. I think the game has changed and it could be bad news for landlords of office premises as businesses are they don't need as much space as they have traditionally occupied and they can make huge savings on rent, business rates etc.

Offline Markus


This has been a bit of readjustment but nothing major. When things kicked off in March, I moved most of my office to my home. It was a bit of pain at first but I already had plans to give up the lease on the office in 2021 as it was some distance away.  I already have planning permission for an out house granted last year so I may consider that when contractors start taking on work again.  An office block near to me had office spaces the size of around 6 sq metres for £500 a month and that could become the new norm in terms of working for those that can't or don't want to work from home.

Productivity wise, I would probably get more done at my office but this is about readjustment. I am calmer, have spent less of fuel and junk food, am exercising more and sleep much better.  Wework's business model of shared spaces is going to struggle when the pandemic is over.  The biggest impact is that restrictions on international travel as it is necessary for my work.  I am hoping some guidance can be provided on this matter soon.

Online stampjones

Its been fine. I definitely dont miss the commute but I do miss beers in the evening. Productivity wise its been pretty similar. My main worry if it became permanent would be when would I punt as I basically do it when Im up in London

Offline JamesKW

Its been fine. I definitely dont miss the commute but I do miss beers in the evening. Productivity wise its been pretty similar. My main worry if it became permanent would be when would I punt as I basically do it when Im up in London

Yes,when you are already out of the house its much easier to punt without being noticed.

Offline A Decent Fist

I've been working remotely from my second home elsewhere in Europe (I'm freelance and can choose my own dates – three or four a week normally) and I hope to hell this arrangement continues indefinitely.

My only motivations for coming back to England are to see family and to pig out on prostitutes for a full week. So not until the stupid 14-day quarantine ends .

Luckily, I cannot be replaced by someone from India or the Philippines or wherever because my field of expertise is the English language with all of its complicated and colloquial subtleties. With rare exceptions I can't be replaced by anyone under 50 who was educated in a British state school, thanks to comprehensive education.

Offline Moby Dick

Full pelt for me.

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Fortunately I don’t have to shake anyone’s hands.
The calluses are a bit of a giveaway.
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Offline Payyourwaymate

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Be careful what you wish for. I was reading a post on another forum, by someone who had their job at a bank outsourced a few years back. He pointed out that if your tasks can be properly done by working remotely, then it doesn't matter if they're done by you, 50 miles from the office, or a guy in India on a fraction of your wage.


I was wondering this aswell. If one can work from home why would the company not outsource the job role to a cheaper source. A lot of people commute into london for the salary weighting of working in London as to compared to working outside of london in order to earn more money. If they are working from home and do not have to pay commuting costs, then why would the company still pay them a salary "weighted" to london living costs. Why would the company not outsource the job to a cheaper labour market where there are people just as qualified and prepared to do the job for less?

Working from home seems like a great prospect until the amount of competition that you would face to apply for a job that is only work from home and opened to people not only in the UK but across continents sets in. It could be one big race to the bottom in industries that have the potential to be outsourced off site instead of onsite working, like with IT and programming to some extent.

Offline Horizontal pleasures

I have worked mainly from home for several decades as well as gone out to work as I am self employed. This means that punting was often easy to arrange. For some years I go out to work on a Tuesday and have time to punt then but ....

...but now that the missus is also WFH I cannot pop out for a punt when she is at home and cannot come back late from those days I do go out which gave me the most freedom to punt.

I tried a punt today and the lady I was to meet did not respond when I arrived, turned out she overslept so a missed opportunity!

Offline Bonker

I miss the beer and banter, coffee chats and leering at the office girls. Plus the opportunities to slide away and slide up.

Offline davidgood

I have WFH off and on for years but always liked an office to go to when I wanted to meet up and chat with colleagues and slip off for a 1 to 1 or a sex party on a Friday afternoon.

At the moment I am confined to home as healing up from an op, but I am lucky in that generally I can go out and about for work now and fit in 1 to 1s with what I would call regulars.

Regards,

davidgood


Offline JamesKW

I miss the beer and banter, coffee chats and leering at the office girls. Plus the opportunities to slide away and slide up.

I wont wfh until I have to,its so dreary, every single day is the same,on and on it goes.I did it for a few weeks at the beginning and productivity was low.

Offline JontyR

At the moment I am confined to home as healing up from an op, but I am lucky in that generally I can go out and about for work now and fit in 1 to 1s with what I would call regulars.

Regards,

davidgood

Get well soon sir, I always find your posts helpful and insightful.