Author Topic: What has happened to American politics?  (Read 2717 times)

Offline NIK

Particularly the Democratic Party.
Why have they not got a handsome, young, photogenic political clone in the tradition of Kennedy John and Robert, Clinton or Obama to compete against the Donald? Surely such a person would thrash a thick old ‘fascist’ like Trump?
Instead they are putting up someone even older than Donald.  :crazy:

Offline Beamer

It's weird isn't it?
Ok I know you have stated it but if it's Joe Biden I have an awful feeling the idiot might get back for another 4 years.
Don't understand why they are bereft of suitable candidates at least below 60/65?
How has it got to this?

Why not give Obama another shot. That would stir it up !!
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Offline tightfoot69

Can anybody imagine Joe Biden as President? Trump has certainly lost quite a few votes in the last couple of a months but when it comes to the debates he will make Biden look like a clown.

I think Trump will still win come November. If the Dems had somebody like Cuamo or the Gov from California then it would be a different story.

Offline Beamer

Can anybody imagine Joe Biden as President? Trump has certainly lost quite a few votes in the last couple of a months but when it comes to the debates he will make Biden look like a clown.

I think Trump will still win come November. If the Dems had somebody like Cuamo or the Gov from California then it would be a different story.

Does their weird system mean it's too late to add a potential new candidate?  i.e. Cuamo
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Offline sub_marine

The upper echelons of the democrats are doing well from trumps tax cuts for the rich, so why rock the boat, they are all glad that sanders didn't get enough young voters to be on the card, that would have blown the boat clean out of the water

Offline petermisc

they are all glad that sanders didn't get enough young voters to be on the card, that would have blown the boat clean out of the water
Think you hit nail on head there - anyone other than Sanders was the main reason Biden got the ticket.  The Democrats are ideologically split between the young leftish Sanders supporters, and the mainstream rightish liberals.  Bearing in mind that most left-wing politics in the US would be regarded as right-wing over here.

A couple of years ago I was certain that Trump would never get a second term, that Americans would have surely seen through him by then.  Now, it looks more and more likely.

Offline King Nuts



Why not give Obama another shot. That would stir it up !!

In words of one syllable because I am not very bright, can you tell me what was so great about Obama?

He's a charming, telegenic guy with a charming and telegenic family. But strip all that aside, what are you left with? What did he actually do, apart from making liberals feel good cos a 'black' dude was in the White House?

Offline King Nuts

Particularly the Democratic Party.
Why have they not got a handsome, young, photogenic political clone in the tradition of Kennedy John and Robert, Clinton or Obama to compete against the Donald? Surely such a person would thrash a thick old ‘fascist’ like Trump?
Instead they are putting up someone even older than Donald.  :crazy:

I think it's obvious that Biden's not the full shilling. All eyes will be on his prospective VP. That's who the next but one president could easily be.

(I notice Hillary's had a facelift recently......)


Offline NIK

In words of one syllable because I am not very bright, can you tell me what was so great about Obama?

He's a charming, telegenic guy with a charming and telegenic family. But strip all that aside, what are you left with? What did he actually do, apart from making liberals feel good cos a 'black' dude was in the White House?

He spoke well, far better than Trump could ever do  - the mark of all 'good politicians'.  :rolleyes:
Not sure what he actually did though.

And why, oh why do mixed race people always call themselves' black'? They could easily call themselves 'white'.

Obama wasn't 'black', he was half white.  He was hardly Joshua Nkomo.  :D

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Offline David1970

He spoke well, far better than Trump could ever do  - the mark of all 'good politicians'.  :rolleyes:
Not sure what he actually did though.

And why, oh why do mixed race people always call themselves' black'? They could easily call themselves 'white'.

Because they are treated as black by society.

Even Obama

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Offline Beamer

He spoke well, far better than Trump could ever do  - the mark of all 'good politicians'.  :rolleyes:
Not sure what he actually did though.


Following is from an obviously Obama supporting site.

I agree with some of the benefits he bought with the 8 years of his Presidency, at a time if I remember correctly, when he didnt have tame overall democratic support in the houses.

Here's the list. KN, I am sure you will overcome your single syllable request.

 

"As the first African-American elected President of the United States, Barack Obama became a pivotal figure in American history even before his inauguration. But after winning a second term in 2012, his achievements in office have made him one of the most transformative presidents of the past hundred years. He took office with a country in peril and led it through the Great Recession, two wars, civil unrest, a rash of mass shootings, and changing cultural demographics. In the 2008 campaign he called for change and eight years later we are living in a more prosperous country because of it.

Here are 28 of President Obama's biggest accomplishments as President of the United States".

1 – Rescued the country from the Great Recession, cutting the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.7% over six years

2 – Signed the Affordable Care Act which provided health insurance to over 20 million uninsured Americans

3 – Ended the war in Iraq

4 – Ordered for the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden

5 – Passed the $787 billion America Recovery and Reinvestment Act to spur economic growth during the Great Recession

6 – Supported the LGBT community's fight for marriage equality

7 – Commuted the sentences of nearly 1200 drug offenders to reverse “unjust and outdated prison sentences"

8 – Saved the U.S. auto industry

9 – Helped put the U.S. ontrack for energy independence by 2020

10 – Began the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan

11 – Signed the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals allowing as many as 5 million people living in the U.S. illegally to avoid deportation and receive work permits

12 –Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act to re-regulate the financial sector

13 – Dropped the veteran homeless rate by 50 percent

14 – Reversed Bush-era torture policies

15 – Began the process of normalizing relations with Cuba

16 – Increased Department of Veteran Affairs funding

17 – Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act

18 – Boosted fuel efficiency standards for cars

19 – Improved school nutrition with the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act

20 – Repealed the military's “Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy

21 – Signed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, making it a federal crime to assault anyone based on sexual or gender identification

22 – Helped negotiate the landmark Iran Nuclear Deal

23 – He signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to combat pay discrimination against women

24 – Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, making her the first Hispanic ever to serve as a justice

25 – Supported veterans through a $78 billion tuition assistance GI bill

26 – Won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"

27 – Launched My Brother's Keeper, a White House initiative designed to help young minorities achieve their full potential

28 – Expanded embryonic stem cell research leading to groundbreaking work in areas including spinal injury treatment and cancer


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Offline Corus Boy

He spoke well, far better than Trump could ever do  - the mark of all 'good politicians'.  :rolleyes:
Not sure what he actually did though.

And why, oh why do mixed race people always call themselves' black'? They could easily call themselves 'white'.

Obama wasn't 'black', he was half white.  He was hardly Joshua Nkomo.  :D

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For no particular reason I would be very amused to see some of them label themselves as 'whiteish', 'blackish' maybe even 'gayish.'

Offline Corus Boy

I feel that it is not just American politics lost its way.

Here, much of Europe and even the Middle East.

Traditional politics, political parties and politicians have lost their way.

There traditional supporters have changed socially, class groups have merged and the edges are blurred.

The 'Working Class' have gone.

I think that Tony Blair was maybe the first, maybe the only modern politician to both recognise this and exploit it.

However in the end he fell into the trap;

You can fool some of the people all the time.
You can fool all of the people for some of the time.
But you can't fool all of the people all of the time!

Everything has become 'short termism' with few planning for the future beyond getting re-elected in four/five years.

Offline NIK

I feel that it is not just American politics lost its way.

Here, much of Europe and even the Middle East.

Traditional politics, political parties and politicians have lost their way.

There traditional supporters have changed socially, class groups have merged and the edges are blurred.

The 'Working Class' have gone.

I think that Tony Blair was maybe the first, maybe the only modern politician to both recognise this and exploit it.

However in the end he fell into the trap;

You can fool some of the people all the time.
You can fool all of the people for some of the time.
But you can't fool all of the people all of the time!

Everything has become 'short termism' with few planning for the future beyond getting re-elected in four/five years.

Agree with this.

As I have said before Blair was actually a very good politician. Which is very different from being a decent person.

Offline winkywanky

Particularly the Democratic Party.
Why have they not got a handsome, young, photogenic political clone in the tradition of Kennedy John and Robert, Clinton or Obama to compete against the Donald? Surely such a person would thrash a thick old ‘fascist’ like Trump?
Instead they are putting up someone even older than Donald.  :crazy:


I don't know much about US politics but I do know you have to have a lot of money behind you to stand, I think that's right?

Kennedy (infact all the Kennedys) had all the money from his old man's business empire behind him.

So perhaps it's to do with the type of background you come from which would make you want to be a Democratic candidate, makes it less likely to have the money available, unless you'd had time to amass some?  :unknown:





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Offline Corus Boy


I don't know much about US politics but I do know you have to have a lot of money behind you to stand, I think that's right?

Kennedy (infact all the Kennedys) had all the money from his old man's business empire behind him.

So perhaps it's to do with the type of background you come from which would make you want to be a Democratic candidate, makes it less likely to have the money available, unless you'd had time to amass some?  :unknown:

It is also my belief that those who back a candidate will expect a return on their investment.

Offline winkywanky

Yes, logically that would be the case, although the same goes for contributors to political parties in the UK too of course, infact anywhere.

There's very little genuine philanthropy as such.

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in short, they're all bent as fuck, and younger politicians don't have the "favours network" built up until they too are old... and just as bent, i'd say 90% of US politicians have fuck all interest in their country or constituents, simply what they can get out of it.
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Offline King Nuts

Following is from an obviously Obama supporting site.

I agree with some of the benefits he bought with the 8 years of his Presidency, at a time if I remember correctly, when he didnt have tame overall democratic support in the houses.

Here's the list. KN, I am sure you will overcome your single syllable request.

 

"As the first African-American elected President of the United States, Barack Obama became a pivotal figure in American history even before his inauguration. But after winning a second term in 2012, his achievements in office have made him one of the most transformative presidents of the past hundred years. He took office with a country in peril and led it through the Great Recession, two wars, civil unrest, a rash of mass shootings, and changing cultural demographics. In the 2008 campaign he called for change and eight years later we are living in a more prosperous country because of it.

Here are 28 of President Obama's biggest accomplishments as President of the United States".

1 – Rescued the country from the Great Recession, cutting the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.7% over six years

2 – Signed the Affordable Care Act which provided health insurance to over 20 million uninsured Americans

3 – Ended the war in Iraq

4 – Ordered for the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden

5 – Passed the $787 billion America Recovery and Reinvestment Act to spur economic growth during the Great Recession

6 – Supported the LGBT community's fight for marriage equality

7 – Commuted the sentences of nearly 1200 drug offenders to reverse “unjust and outdated prison sentences"

8 – Saved the U.S. auto industry

9 – Helped put the U.S. ontrack for energy independence by 2020

10 – Began the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan

11 – Signed the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals allowing as many as 5 million people living in the U.S. illegally to avoid deportation and receive work permits

12 –Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act to re-regulate the financial sector

13 – Dropped the veteran homeless rate by 50 percent

14 – Reversed Bush-era torture policies

15 – Began the process of normalizing relations with Cuba

16 – Increased Department of Veteran Affairs funding

17 – Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act

18 – Boosted fuel efficiency standards for cars

19 – Improved school nutrition with the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act

20 – Repealed the military's “Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy

21 – Signed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, making it a federal crime to assault anyone based on sexual or gender identification

22 – Helped negotiate the landmark Iran Nuclear Deal

23 – He signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to combat pay discrimination against women

24 – Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, making her the first Hispanic ever to serve as a justice

25 – Supported veterans through a $78 billion tuition assistance GI bill

26 – Won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"

27 – Launched My Brother's Keeper, a White House initiative designed to help young minorities achieve their full potential

28 – Expanded embryonic stem cell research leading to groundbreaking work in areas including spinal injury treatment and cancer

There is so much spin and nonsense in nearly all of this, it would take far too long to respond to. So I'm not going to.


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Following is from an obviously Obama supporting site.

I agree with some of the benefits he bought with the 8 years of his Presidency, at a time if I remember correctly, when he didnt have tame overall democratic support in the houses.

Here's the list. KN, I am sure you will overcome your single syllable request.

 

"As the first African-American elected President of the United States, Barack Obama became a pivotal figure in American history even before his inauguration. But after winning a second term in 2012, his achievements in office have made him one of the most transformative presidents of the past hundred years. He took office with a country in peril and led it through the Great Recession, two wars, civil unrest, a rash of mass shootings, and changing cultural demographics. In the 2008 campaign he called for change and eight years later we are living in a more prosperous country because of it.

Here are 28 of President Obama's biggest accomplishments as President of the United States".

1 – Rescued the country from the Great Recession, cutting the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.7% over six years

2 – Signed the Affordable Care Act which provided health insurance to over 20 million uninsured Americans

3 – Ended the war in Iraq

4 – Ordered for the capture and killing of Osama Bin Laden

5 – Passed the $787 billion America Recovery and Reinvestment Act to spur economic growth during the Great Recession

6 – Supported the LGBT community's fight for marriage equality

7 – Commuted the sentences of nearly 1200 drug offenders to reverse “unjust and outdated prison sentences"

8 – Saved the U.S. auto industry

9 – Helped put the U.S. ontrack for energy independence by 2020

10 – Began the drawdown of troops in Afghanistan

11 – Signed the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals allowing as many as 5 million people living in the U.S. illegally to avoid deportation and receive work permits

12 –Signed the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act to re-regulate the financial sector

13 – Dropped the veteran homeless rate by 50 percent

14 – Reversed Bush-era torture policies

15 – Began the process of normalizing relations with Cuba

16 – Increased Department of Veteran Affairs funding

17 – Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure Act

18 – Boosted fuel efficiency standards for cars

19 – Improved school nutrition with the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act

20 – Repealed the military's “Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy

21 – Signed the Hate Crimes Prevention Act, making it a federal crime to assault anyone based on sexual or gender identification

22 – Helped negotiate the landmark Iran Nuclear Deal

23 – He signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act to combat pay discrimination against women

24 – Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court, making her the first Hispanic ever to serve as a justice

25 – Supported veterans through a $78 billion tuition assistance GI bill

26 – Won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 “for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples"

27 – Launched My Brother's Keeper, a White House initiative designed to help young minorities achieve their full potential

28 – Expanded embryonic stem cell research leading to groundbreaking work in areas including spinal injury treatment and cancer

Now list all the good things Trump's done.  :lol:

Offline Beamer

There is so much spin and nonsense in nearly all of this, it would take far too long to respond to. So I'm not going to.

Up to you.
You asked for a list. 
Here it is.
Some achievements are real and a benefit to the U.S. Some are obviously not to that level. I made it clear that it was from a website friendly to Obama.

Or was it you simply reverting to type......as below.

Off Topic Chat / Re: Trust in the media«
Quote from: King Nuts on May 05, 2020, 10:02:39 am
Yes, I am here to wind everyone up.
The plan is obviously working

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Offline King Nuts

Up to you.
You asked for a list. 
Here it is.
Some achievements are real and a benefit to the U.S. Some are obviously not to that level. I made it clear that it was from a website friendly to Obama.

Or was it you simply reverting to type......as below.

Off Topic Chat / Re: Trust in the media«
Quote from: King Nuts on May 05, 2020, 10:02:39 am
Yes, I am here to wind everyone up.
The plan is obviously working


The way you traipse around after me is actually quite weird. It's as if you've very little else to do.


Offline Beamer

The way you traipse around after me is actually quite weird. It's as if you've very little else to do.

Don't flatter yourself.
It's a  shame you act as you do because sometimes (not often mind) you actually make a relevant and sensible contribution.

Offline willie loman

I personally found obamas style of speech irritating, he didn't seem to have any normal way of speaking, everything was ludicrously overdramatised, did he even come out with one memorable line?

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Yes, logically that would be the case, although the same goes for contributors to political parties in the UK too of course, infact anywhere.

There's very little genuine philanthropy as such.

Watched the documentary Becoming Warren Buffett (2017) and hadn't realised his story, will have to dig a bit to verify.  It may well be a latter years re-reckoning and gloss over of the ruthlessness of his in-depth activities, much like Bill Gates's reconciliation with conscience but they are examples of the same redemption that the rehabilitationists declare we should reserve for all criminals.

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America's burning - the past few days have paled previous race riots (LA 92, Watts) into insignificance.  The Commander in Chief being bundled into a bunker by Secret Service agents for his own safety is like something from a bad disaster movie.

Still, all grist to the mill for a political system which venerates uprisings in Boston harbour, civil wars and trees watered by "the blood of tyrants".

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I personally found obamas style of speech irritating, he didn't seem to have any normal way of speaking, everything was ludicrously overdramatised, did he even come out with one memorable line?

"The road ahead will be long. Our climb will be steep." (no, me neither)

Offline NIK

Now list all the good things Trump's done.  :lol:

Improved the economy, prioritised his own people and stuck it to the libtards.  :sarcastic:

Offline King Nuts

Improved the economy, prioritised his own people and stuck it to the libtards.  :sarcastic:

And he's sticking it to the WHO, the Chinese and hopefully the UN too.

Not before time.

Oh yes, and had the balls that Obama didn't have, to stick to his red-line comment about Syria a couple of years back.
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Offline King Nuts

sometimes (not often mind) you actually make a relevant and sensible contribution.

If only you would too.

Offline j_181

Does their weird system mean it's too late to add a potential new candidate?  i.e. Cuamo

I wouldn't rule anything out yet. The DNC is a law unto itself.

Offline kippydon

Trump is what has happened to US politics

The guy blames everyone else for his short cummungs and lack of leadership in sorting out domestic issues , just see how he has done ith covid19, just the same as the Uk govt

Offline Beamer

Unbelievable....
From Sky News:
George Floyd death:
Protesters hit with tear gas to clear path for Donald Trump's photo-op
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Offline King Nuts

Unbelievable....
From Sky News:
George Floyd death:
Protesters hit with tear gas to clear path for Donald Trump's photo-op
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Yet again, you show you're right on the money.

What Trump should have done, of course, is to ask those nice Antifa people if he could pose in front of the church for a photo-op with them.


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Yet again, you show you're right on the money.

What Trump should have done, of course, is to ask those nice Antifa people if he could pose in front of the church for a photo-op with them.

Is Antifa an organisation?

Offline David1970

Is Antifa an organisation?

It’s an anti-fascist group based in the USA who confronts fascist groups, it normally ends up with both sides being violent.

Offline Romeo Sensini

This is going to get much worse. Just seen elsewhere footage of a lone, unarmed guy walking up to a police line. One cop stepped forward and sprayed him with mace, then a second cop stepped forward and fired a tear gas cannister directly at him (about 6 ft away!).

Offline NIK

It’s an anti-fascist group based in the USA who confronts fascist groups, it normally ends up with both sides being violent.

Yes, an anti fascist group that always behaves just like fascists are supposed to.
You couldn't make it up.  :rolleyes:

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It’s an anti-fascist group based in the USA who confronts fascist groups, it normally ends up with both sides being violent.

Yes, an anti fascist group that always behaves just like fascists are supposed to.
You couldn't make it up.  :rolleyes:

Yes, an anti fascist group that always behaves just like fascists are supposed to.
You couldn't make it up.  :rolleyes:

Glad you agree with me Nik, as I said they fascist and Antifa end up both being violent


Offline NIK

Quote from: David1970 on Today at 10:02:36 am
It’s an anti-fascist group based in the USA who confronts fascist groups, it normally ends up with both sides being violent.

Yes, an anti fascist group that always behaves just like fascists are supposed to.
You couldn't make it up.  :rolleyes:

Glad you agree with me Nik, as I said they fascist and Antifa end up both being violent

Well even the most ardent liberal cannot deny the evidence before them re Antifa. They wore masks before they became fashionable.

Offline Colston36

Because they are treated as black by society.

Even Obama

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Absolutely true. I have a mixed race daughter in L.A. She is a blonde, pale model. She is still seen as black.

Offline NIK

Absolutely true. I have a mixed race daughter in L.A. She is a blonde, pale model. She is still seen as black.

But does she want to be, or does she tell people that she isn't?

Offline David1970

Well even the most ardent liberal cannot deny the evidence before them re Antifa. They wore masks before they became fashionable.

They and the fascists that they try and stop always seem to end up in violence, the only difference is the fascists in the USA are armed with assault rifle and the anti-fascist wear masks

Offline King Nuts

Is Antifa an organisation?

Trump is hoping to declare it a terrorist group, according to this: External Link/Members Only

Got to love the New York Times. They get their retaliation in first with the opening sentence:

Seeking to assign blame for the protests that have convulsed cities across the country this week, President Trump said on Sunday that etc etc

Offline David1970

Trump is hoping to declare it a terrorist group, according to this: External Link/Members Only

Got to love the New York Times. They get their retaliation in first with the opening sentence:

Seeking to assign blame for the protests that have convulsed cities across the country this week, President Trump said on Sunday that etc etc

Your correct, Trump trying to lay the blame and focus away from racist murdering America police ( the are not all that way) and his handling of the pandemic

NY Times a great and respected newspaper, I have the app and read it every day.
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Your correct, Trump trying to lay the blame and focus away from racist murdering America police ( the are not all that way) and his handling of the pandemic

NY Times a great and respected newspaper, I have the app and read it every day.

I like the NYT too but they also suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

That opening sentence is very clever. 'Seeking to assign blame....' It immediately deflects attention onto Trump and away fom the rioters, and the de facto assumption is that Trump and the racist police of America are jointly to blame.

Offline David1970

I like the NYT too but they also suffer from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

That opening sentence is very clever. 'Seeking to assign blame....' It immediately deflects attention onto Trump and away fom the rioters, and the de facto assumption is that Trump and the racist police of America are jointly to blame.

I am against the rioters, but I support the demonstrations against police murder based on race. Trump with his remarks makes the situation worst to defect form his poor handing of the pandemic and to pander to his redneck racist base.

Offline Beamer

I am against the rioters, but I support the demonstrations against police murder based on race. Trump with his remarks makes the situation worst to defect form his poor handing of the pandemic and to pander to his redneck racist base.

About time as well.....
From news channel.....

Charges against three Minnesota police officers confirmed

Court documents show that the three former US police officers seen watching as Derek Chauvin knelt on George Floyd's neck will now also face charges.

Meanwhile, Chauvin has been charged with second-degree murder in addition to the initial third-degree murder charge. Second-degree murder carries a maximum prison sentence of 40 years.
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Offline winkywanky

1st Degree Murder is premeditated.

2nd Degree Murder indicates some intent.

3rd Degree Murder is 'accidental' or negligent.

I would have thought No.3, although of course the Jury shall decide that.

If it is deemed to be No.3 then would the others really be in any way liable?