Trump sticks it to the WHO and China

[King Nuts]

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About time someone had the balls to do this. I don't see any other world leader doing it.

As regards the moaning about what he said about the looting (when the looting starts, the shooting starts) he was quite right. I've never understood why, when one of their own gets shot or something, certain groups have to go around torching and looting their own neighbourhood.

Of course, the piece ends with some grizzling about him 'leaving the podiium' without answering any of the media's no doubt inane questions. Like they matter more than the guy getting on with being President.

It's things like this that will cause him to get re-elected, and Trump Derangement Syndrome in the media to continue unabated.

[NIK]

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About time someone had the balls to do this. I don't see any other world leader doing it.

As regards the moaning about what he said about the looting (when the looting starts, the shooting starts) he was quite right. I've never understood why, when one of their own gets shot or something, certain groups have to go around torching and looting their own neighbourhood.

Of course, the piece ends with some grizzling about him 'leaving the podiium' without answering any of the media's no doubt inane questions. Like they matter more than the guy getting on with being President.

It's things like this that will cause him to get re-elected, and Trump Derangement Syndrome in the media to continue unabated.

Yes, this did seem a particularly shocking example of the alleged  institutionalized 'racism' (although there seem to be a hell of a lot black police officers, including many in very senior positions). However, the thug masquerading as a police officer has been charged with murder and his colleagues sacked. The authorities have quickly done the right thing in this instance, which was not always the case in the past. Not sure what continuing to destroy your own neighbourhood will go on to achieve.
Of course there will always be plenty who take advantage of such things to indulge in their hobby of a spot of looting.

[sparkus]

Yes, this did seem a particularly shocking example of the alleged  institutionalized 'racism' (although there seem to be a hell of a lot black police officers, including many in very senior positions). However, the thug masquerading as a police officer has been charged with murder and his colleagues sacked. The authorities have quickly done the right thing in this instance, which was not always the case in the past. Not sure what continuing to destroy your own neighbourhood will go on to achieve.
Of course there will always be plenty who take advantage of such things to indulge in their hobby of a spot of looting.

I also get the impression this is being used as an excuse by some to get out of lockdown as well.

Back to the original topic, we've not had a world war for 70 years and it's been thanks in part to a global rules-based system of order through multilateral cooperation.  I'm well aware of their defects but I've more reason to fear Trump than some doctors in Geneva.

[dubs]

The best time to leave a global health organisation is definitely during a pandemic. 

[ratedj]

I've never understood why, when one of their own gets shot or something, certain groups have to go around torching and looting their own neighbourhood.

In normal circumstances when one is killed in questionable circumstances their loved ones are able to grieve with the hope that justice will be served, though when it comes to African Americans history has shown us more often than not that this tends not to be the case. With regards to the case pertaining to George Floyd, it is good to see that action has finally been taken (though some may argue somewhat overdue) but we will have to wait and see whether it results in a conviction. Whist I do not condone the looting I can understand that such action has manifested itself as a result of built-up anger and sadness, both of which have been ingrained in African Amercians for 400 years. Being black in America should not be a death sentence. Plenty of peaceful protests, and rightly so, have continued throughout the country, though what I suspect is that those who are complaining about these protests are the same people who did not tolerate Colin Kapernick's peaceful protesting, which tells you that it's not just the methods of voicing dissent that they are against. Currently there are two deadly viruses killing Americans: Covid-19 and racism.

[David1970]

WHO is a pro CPR organisation, just look at the way the ignored the excellent control of the virus by Taiwan, for political reasons  It is bound up in in international politics like all UN originations

But you need to look at which origination has the most deaths under its watch, and that would be Trumps administrator. Trumps administration has bee such a shambles as to make UK governments handing of the virus almost look good.

[Hobbit]

The best time to leave a global health organisation is definitely during a pandemic. 

True but would you really want a corrupt Global Health Organisation looking after you? I certainly wouldn't.

[Hobbit]

I also get the impression this is being used as an excuse by some to get out of lockdown as well.

Back to the original topic, we've not had a world war for 70 years and it's been thanks in part to a global rules-based system of order through multilateral cooperation.  I'm well aware of their defects but I've more reason to fear Trump than some doctors in Geneva.

There will never be a World War like before as many countries have Nuclear weapons now and nobody wants to use them as that would be catastrophic. I wouldn't be surprised if this virus is nothing but modern warfare.

[Wadebridge]

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About time someone had the balls to do this. I don't see any other world leader doing it.
As regards the moaning about what he said about the looting (when the looting starts, the shooting starts) he was quite right. ...
It's things like this that will cause him to get re-elected, and Trump Derangement Syndrome in the media to continue unabated.

You think so?
Trump has hardly been the epitome of a 'model' leader during this crisis. His U-turns ("it's just the flu") and his ridiculous outbursts ("and I see the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute.  One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that? By injection inside or a thorough cleaning?") are excruciatingly embarrassing to listen to. 
His country's CoViD statistics continue to be truly depressing and worrying. I think severing the USA's financial ties with the WHO will hinder, rather than help, the WHO's efforts to gradually get on top of this world pandemic.
Trump also constantly makes things sound worse by heaping praise at every opportunity on Boris Johnson. Really cringeworthy.
Personally,  I think the USA's death and unemployment statistics, and unendingly gloomy economic outlook and prospect will speak for themselves after this '1st wave' has subsided a little, and come November, Trump will find he has had 'his arse kicked up his shoulderblades'.
Time will tell and we will see which of us is right.

[David1970]

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[Hobbit]

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Already seen it. Old news dude. 

[David1970]

Already seen it. Old news dude. 

Yes I know it was me who originally posted it dude. I reposted it to indelicately Trumps control of the pandemic that has killed more people in the USA than any other country. Also let’s not forget injecting disinfect, getting sunlight into your body and taking malaria pills.

[Hobbit]

Yes I know it was me who originally posted it dude. I reposted it to indelicately Trumps control of the pandemic that has killed more people in the USA than any other country. Also let’s not forget injecting disinfect, getting sunlight into your body and taking malaria pills.

Look at it this way - We have two clowns (Boris and Trump) in charge of two of the biggest countries in the world. Should I be worried...Fuck Yeah! 

[AnthG]

Look at it this way - We have two clowns (Boris and Trump) in charge of two of the biggest countries in the world. Should I be worried...Fuck Yeah! 

The most dangerous leader of the western world is Angela Merkel.

[David1970]

The most dangerous leader of the western world is Angela Merkel.

Ok I bite, please explain.
But keep your explanation to facts please and not conspiracy theory shit from the web or Daily Mail.

[AnthG]

Ok I bite, please explain.
But keep your explanation to facts please and not conspiracy theory shit from the web or Daily Mail.

So if I cannot use any information from the web, or newspapers? What sources do you want me to rely upon?

[Hobbit]

So if I cannot use any information from the web, or newspapers? What sources do you want me to rely upon?

Your spider senses. Go on.....Explain.

[AnthG]

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If Trump was captain of the Titanic, it wouldn't have sank, plain and simple.

And if Trump was captain of the Poseidon, it wouldn't have overturned.

According to both films (so that's all I am going off, nothing more), the disaster happened because the captain caved in to others and was weak. The captain knew the dangers from the get-go. But relented. And the disaster happened. Trump wouldn't do that.

[Hobbit]

If Trump was captain of the Titanic, it wouldn't have sank, plain and simple.

And if Trump was captain of the Poseidon, it wouldn't have overturned.

According to both films (so that's all I am going off, nothing more), the disaster happened because the captain caved in to others and was weak. The captain knew the dangers from the get-go. But relented. And the disaster happened. Trump wouldn't do that.

Maybe But Boris would've shit himself and jumped ship or asked Cummings and Cummings would have said he had poor eyesight and didn't see the Iceberg 

[sparkus]

I'm struggling to get my head around the post title really.  How misanthropic do you have to be to have it in for a global heath organisation?

[Hobbit]

I'm struggling to get my head around the post title really.  How misanthropic do you have to be to have it in for a global heath organisation?

Correction: A corrupt global heath organisation. There lies your answer. 

[David1970]

So if I cannot use any information from the web, or newspapers? What sources do you want me to rely upon?

What I said not conspiracy shit from the web or the Daily Mail.
You could look up credible sources for a change, just an idea.

[AnthG]

You could look up credible sources for a change, just an idea.

What do you mean by credible sources, most of the MSM have extreme left wing bias and will deliberately falsify news to suit its left wing bias.

The biggest proponent of that is Sky News. They deliberately falsify interviews to paint a narrative.

The Guardian is a joke, that just makes up lies trying to force its SJW narrative onto the world.

[David1970]

What do you mean by credible sources, most of the MSM have extreme left wing bias and will deliberately falsify news to suit its left wing bias.

The biggest proponent of that is Sky News. They deliberately falsify interviews to paint a narrative.

The Guardian is a joke, that just makes up lies trying to force its SJW narrative onto the world.

So where did you get your reliable information on Angela Merkel?

[King Nuts]

You think so?
Trump has hardly been the epitome of a 'model' leader during this crisis. His U-turns ("it's just the flu") and his ridiculous outbursts ("and I see the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute.  One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that? By injection inside or a thorough cleaning?") are excruciatingly embarrassing to listen to. 
His country's CoViD statistics continue to be truly depressing and worrying. I think severing the USA's financial ties with the WHO will hinder, rather than help, the WHO's efforts to gradually get on top of this world pandemic.
Trump also constantly makes things sound worse by heaping praise at every opportunity on Boris Johnson. Really cringeworthy.
Personally,  I think the USA's death and unemployment statistics, and unendingly gloomy economic outlook and prospect will speak for themselves after this '1st wave' has subsided a little, and come November, Trump will find he has had 'his arse kicked up his shoulderblades'.
Time will tell and we will see which of us is right.

I expressed more of an observation than an opinion. I agree that Trump can be an oaf and there's always the danger that whatever good he has done can be outweighed by said oafishness.

Nonetheless the WHO did cozy up to China, and IMO both parties are to blame equally for this pandemic. No one likes to stick anything to China cos they're all too scared, but Trrump did.

As regards Covid in the US, it's been largely concentrated in specific areas where co-morbidities are high. Same here, and same in parts of Italy, Spain and Belgium.

[Paris69]

The most dangerous leader of the western world is Angela Merkel.

I'm guessing that you mean Frau Merkel's offer that attracted, and still attracts millions of financial immigrants/war ravaged children/terrorists (take your pick) to Europe: And being unable to profile and identify just who is coming in, it means Europe (Merkel) has imported terrorism and cultural change on a mass scale: Probably forever.

[King Nuts]

I'm struggling to get my head around the post title really.  How misanthropic do you have to be to have it in for a global heath organisation?

This raises an interesting point. If you look at titles of organisations like the WHO, one's first reaction is how can this be anything other than a benign institution, made up most likely of the Great and the Good, doing grand work to help all humanity. The reality is sadly not quite as benign or as altruistic as it first appears, as the cozying up to China, not really in dispute any more, had now indicated.

Here's some others. They're bound to be made up only of good people, doing a great job for all, right? I mean, just look at their names:

United Nations (as corrupt as hell and borderline useless)
Confederation of British Industry (industry fatbastards, all wanting to squeeze small businesses, join the Euro and remain in the EU.)
Federal Bureau of Investigation (turns out they're not THAT squeaky clean.)
British Broadcasting Corporation (ha! With a bit of luck, the licence'll go soon and we'll see how they get on.)

They chose those names for the same reason someone opening a restaurant calls it Caroline's or Willow Cafe instead of Cafe Anthrax or the Rancid Diner.

[AnthG]

So where did you get your reliable information on Angela Merkel?

I know the most annoying thing a person can ever do on the internet is answer a question, by asking another random question. But given Paris69 has saved me needing to answer your question by effectively spelling it out already.

Can I just ask out of curiosity, what did you think of Jeremy Corbyn and did you vote labour in December 2019?

[King Nuts]

Maybe But Boris would've shit himself and jumped ship or asked Cummings and Cummings would have said he had poor eyesight and didn't see the Iceberg 

Yes, let's work Cummings into this. I don't think we talked him about enough on the other thread.

[David1970]

I'm guessing that you mean Frau Merkel's offer that attracted, and still attracts millions of financial immigrants/war ravaged children/terrorists (take your pick) to Europe: And being unable to profile and identify just who is coming in, it means Europe (Merkel) has imported terrorism and cultural change on a mass scale: Probably forever.

What is this is to do with her actions during the pandemic, WHO and Trump, which the thread is about?

[AnthG]

What is this is to do with her actions during the pandemic, WHO and Trump, which the thread is about?

As I said Merkel was the most dangerous leader of the western world and you asked why.

[Paris69]

What is this is to do with her actions during the pandemic, WHO and Trump, which the thread is about?

That might be what this thread is about; but the statement by AnthG was...

The most dangerous leader of the western world is Angela Merkel.
And you asked why he said this; neither you or he specifically linked it to Covid/WHO etc

[Paris69]

As I said Merkel was the most dangerous leader of the western world and you asked why.

Snap..  Almost in tandem..   

[Hobbit]

I know the most annoying thing a person can ever do on the internet is answer a question, by asking another random question. But given Paris69 has saved me needing to answer your question by effectively spelling it out already.

Can I just ask out of curiosity, what did you think of Jeremy Corbyn and did you vote labour in December 2019?

Helping refugees isn't a bad thing but it has to be controlled, limited and every refugee identified and profile scrutinized. A blanket approach of not allowing refugees in what I pressume you're suggesting is not just ethically wrong but not practical.

[Marmalade]

The W.H.O. was invented by America for economic reasons: to stop diseases from the 'lowlife' countries affecting America. Bit ridiculous when then you then give it to China to run and let them use you as the gravy train.

[LLPunting]

I know the most annoying thing a person can ever do on the internet is answer a question, by asking another random question. But given Paris69 has saved me needing to answer your question by effectively spelling it out already.

Can I just ask out of curiosity, what did you think of Jeremy Corbyn and did you vote labour in December 2019?

So you consider every one of those migrants and "asylum seekers" a clear and present danger to the fabric of your society?
And what do you know their agenda to be that causes you so much fear, loathing and distrust?
Has there been any specific, calamitous upturning of any of the European societies that has led to advancement of the Muslim (if that's your fear) cause?

You're simply voicing a personal paranoia with no proof of actual substantive harm.  I don't mean some random fuck who kills a few people because more nationals kill their compatriots every hour of the day.  Millions of peacefully co-existing people of all faiths and races collaborating in maintaining the peace within many multicultural nations across the EU.

I thought I was a tin-foiler at times but you are wallowing in a locked-down Bacofoil factory. 

[AnthG]

Helping refugees isn't a bad thing but it has to be controlled, limited and every refugee identified and profile scrutinized. A blanket approach of not allowing refugees in what I pressume you're suggesting is not just ethically wrong but not practical.

Helping refugees is a good thing, but what Merkel done was literally opened the door saying anyone can come. The result; the biggest influx of people into Europe in Human history. All with their hands out. All bringing their conflicts into Europe.

If you let refugees in fine, but letting both sides in of a war to your country and housing them in the same enclaves is just asking for the trouble that has occurred.

[Paris69]

Helping refugees isn't a bad thing but it has to be controlled, limited and every refugee identified and profile scrutinized. A blanket approach of not allowing refugees in what I pressume you're suggesting is not just ethically wrong but not practical.

No, this is your interpretation of what he said...  He never said this; and in no way was my criticism of the unchecked/blanket approach to immigration a confirmation that i don't think (controlled) immigration is a good thing. I do....

And while you throw the ethically wrong accusation around, after lockdown i would be happy for you to accompany me to Court and/or an Immigration Centre (dependent on the client agreeing) to see how things really are. The Immigration interviews are emotionally 'brutal' - and then these interviews are used by the Home Office barrister in Court to attempt removal.
Maybes this is where you should direct your ire.....

[Hobbit]

Helping refugees is a good thing, but what Merkel done was literally opened the door saying anyone can come. The result; the biggest influx of people into Europe in Human history. All with their hands out. All bringing their conflicts into Europe.

If you let refugees in fine, but letting both sides in of a war to your country and housing them in the same enclaves is just asking for the trouble that has occurred.

Agreed. There needs to be control, limitation, and strategy and no country should open their door to anyone without checking who is coming in and putting a limit on it.

That's the problem with leaders nowadays, they can't balance the social aspect with intelligence and common sense. They are either too far left or too far right.

[AnthG]

i would be happy for you to accompany me to Court and/or an Immigration Centre (dependent on the client agreeing) to see how things really are. The Immigration interviews are emotionally 'brutal' - and then these interviews are used by the Home Office barrister in Court to attempt removal.
Maybes this is where you should direct your ire.....

Or how about the charities, that quite literally coach and teach Migrants what to say to get asylum status in the west. One of the most disturbing, and curious, was them instructing them to pretend they are Christian and not Muslim and instructing them to know of all of the Christian holidays and say Christian terms and phrases and to shake hands on entering to show you are not Muslim and etc.

This was exposed by secret recordings made by Lauren Southern a couple of years ago.

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It is curious, on many different levels, why a charity would coach people to pretend they are not Muslim in order to get asylum?

[Marmalade]

Merkel imported a lot of foreigners but also had greater resources to control and support them. Our borders are still open with a big sign welcoming the great unwashed and that's even without dear Mr Corbyn's help.
It would have been relatively easy to stop covid-19:
Close our borders.
Quarantine London. (no travel in or out).
Make face masks compulsory in enclosed spaces or anywhere where social distancing was not possible.
Probably what Churchill would have done.

[LLPunting]

This raises an interesting point. If you look at titles of organisations like the WHO, one's first reaction is how can this be anything other than a benign institution, made up most likely of the Great and the Good, doing grand work to help all humanity. The reality is sadly not quite as benign or as altruistic as it first appears, as the cozying up to China, not really in dispute any more, had now indicated.

Here's some others. They're bound to be made up only of good people, doing a great job for all, right? I mean, just look at their names:

United Nations (as corrupt as hell and borderline useless)
Confederation of British Industry (industry fatbastards, all wanting to squeeze small businesses, join the Euro and remain in the EU.)
Federal Bureau of Investigation (turns out they're not THAT squeaky clean.)
British Broadcasting Corporation (ha! With a bit of luck, the licence'll go soon and we'll see how they get on.)

They chose those names for the same reason someone opening a restaurant calls it Caroline's or Willow Cafe instead of Cafe Anthrax or the Rancid Diner.

So who is served by the "corruption" of whichever of these organisations?  What has the corruption achieved? 
Who is injured by the change in any of their leanings, some of which are not consistent?
Granted there's an awful lot of wasted money, quel surprise and not exactly the only waste of monies, large or small, that any of us could bemoan.

Which society or group of humanity has suffered which insult or prohibition of any particular "inalienable" right as a result such organisations tilting one way or another?

Trump stopped paying for things that weren't benefiting him, sorry, the US, fair dinkum.  But what exactly did he propose as a means of remediating the imbalance and bringing back "fairness and justice"?  There's no coherent rationale of what was wrong and what could've put it right.  These are the tantrums of a child using pester-power on his parents, adoration and indulgence is his currency, there's no common good in his motives.

[AnthG]

Merkel imported a lot of foreigners but also had greater resources to control and support them. Our borders are still open with a big sign welcoming the great unwashed and that's even without dear Mr Corbyn's help.
It would have been relatively easy to stop covid-19:
Close our borders.
Quarantine London. (no travel in or out).
Make face masks compulsory in enclosed spaces or anywhere where social distancing was not possible.
Probably what Churchill would have done.

Agree with every word you just said Marmalade.

[Hobbit]

Merkel imported a lot of foreigners but also had greater resources to control and support them. Our borders are still open with a big sign welcoming the great unwashed and that's even without dear Mr Corbyn's help.
It would have been relatively easy to stop covid-19:
Close our borders.
Quarantine London. (no travel in or out).
Make face masks compulsory in enclosed spaces or anywhere where social distancing was not possible.
Probably what Churchill would have done.

If WHO weren't corrupt and did their fucking job they could have stopped this virus from spreading outside China.

[Paris69]

Or how about the charities, that quite literally coach and teach Migrants what to say to get asylum status in the west. One of the most disturbing, and curious, was them instructing them to pretend they are Christian and not Muslim and instructing them to know of all of the Christian holidays and say Christian terms and phrases and to shake hands on entering to show you are not Muslim and etc.

This was exposed by secret recordings made by Lauren Southern a couple of years ago.

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It is curious, on many different levels, why a charity would coach people to pretend they are not Muslim in order to get asylum?

I can tell you with 100% accuracy that the first thing they are 'taught' to say is...

I'm aged 15.....  triggering an age assessment; as long as they are not visibly over 21. Even then, the likelihood is age assessment interview(s).... referral to CS and allocation of a solicitor/and later, in Court, a barrister...

Quite right too. Everyone should have access to appropriate legal representation. My point being; they are all coached to say they are of child age....

[LLPunting]

Helping refugees is a good thing, but what Merkel done was literally opened the door saying anyone can come. The result; the biggest influx of people into Europe in Human history. All with their hands out. All bringing their conflicts into Europe.

If you let refugees in fine, but letting both sides in of a war to your country and housing them in the same enclaves is just asking for the trouble that has occurred.

Apologies, so this isn't about the free movement of people and providing them with opportunity for peaceful existence away from areas of conflict this is about the incompetent (or conspiratorially machinated) managing of their integration into the hosting peaceful nation.  Which is not just down to one leader, albeit she's accountable, it's about a cohort of influencers, public and private, elected or not, that have compromised the welcome and settling of these peoples.

You cannot reliably interview for intent of the dedicated deceiver.  The success of humanity is reliance on interpersonal good faith and many will seek to exploit that, whatever their motive, unfortunately in the absence of pre-crime it is necessary for us to suffer and deal with it after the fact.  Whether you support rehabilitation, exclusion or excision is another matter.

[Beamer]

Helping refugees is a good thing, but what Merkel done was literally opened the door saying anyone can come. The result; the biggest influx of people into Europe in Human history. All with their hands out. All bringing their conflicts into Europe.

If you let refugees in fine, but letting both sides in of a war to your country and housing them in the same enclaves is just asking for the trouble that has occurred.

At least their fruit and vegetables  will get picked.

[LLPunting]

If WHO weren't corrupt and did their fucking job they could have stopped this virus from spreading outside China.

What authority does WHO have?  They are a recommending body in these matters.  There's no massive army of medical staff solely at their command that supra-nationally intervenes in the well-being of any other society.
I don't see WHO tents across the towns of our nation.  I don't see their branded medical supplies in media coverage of our hospitals and care homes.

They echo, delayed or otherwise, the local findings of any on the ground, immediate responders.

[Marmalade]

At least their fruit and vegetables  will get picked.

True.


What would most people prefer?

a) go without strawberries for a few months

b) get coronavirus and possibly die.

[LLPunting]

Merkel imported a lot of foreigners but also had greater resources to control and support them. Our borders are still open with a big sign welcoming the great unwashed and that's even without dear Mr Corbyn's help.
It would have been relatively easy to stop covid-19:
Close our borders.
Quarantine London. (no travel in or out).
Make face masks compulsory in enclosed spaces or anywhere where social distancing was not possible.
Probably what Churchill would have done.

Indeed, supposedly easy actions we can all agree would have been prudent and wholly within the remit of one Mr Boris Johnson Esq and not to be called by any other foreign individual.