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Yes, Prime Minister could be an incredibly funny and relevant show, today. All the shit that's gone on. My God!

Sadly I think half the writing partnership has now deceased (and the other half probably wouldn't fancy it) but I think with good writers and good casting it could be so, so good.

I'm guessing it evolved and thus became The Thick of It?

Plus that studio audience laughter on Beeb sitcoms belongs in the 70s/80s.

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I'm guessing it evolved and thus became The Thick of It?

Plus that studio audience laughter on Beeb sitcoms belongs in the 70s/80s.
Armando Ianucci has said he was influenced by it, not sure other than the format. Real shame about some of the stuff with one of nthe actors seems to have shitcanned it. Also as I said seems dated now as does Extras, the office and a few others. Stuff like peep show hold up far better.

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As well as 80s clubs in provincial cities (I don't recall it being a thing in London beyond Leicester Square) there was a bizarre infantalisation thing going on then in the early 00s eg. those 'School Disco' nights where 20 somethings wore mock school uniforms and danced to Busted.  Weird to look back at that now 20 years on.  I can't help but notice this coincided with 'Friends Reunited', arguably the first social media of its kind, where people who you'd not give the time of day to five years before were now giving it all smiles and writing inflated rubbish on their profiles.

Didn't like Submarine at all, nor The Business (and I do like Nick Love films generally).  Awaydays had a good soundtrack.
I forgot about those school disco nights, I think when I was still going out out it was just after my time. Friends Reunited is an interesting one also started that school disco revival as you said. No idea what program it was but there was some dating thing in the early 00s and a guy went to one of those with a mixed race woman and before he went this brute who was her brother gave a spiel about being mixed race and was really overprotective she was in her 30s. Then they danced to don't you want me and he kept nodding to the chorus and looking at her going yes I do. Needless to say he went home with madam palm.

Business is an ok film, good in places but needed a better actor than Danny Dyer and a bigger budget behind it. The clothing artificially inflated the prices of Fila Bjorg jackets, they've levelled out thanks to reissues.

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I'm guessing it evolved and thus became The Thick of It?

Plus that studio audience laughter on Beeb sitcoms belongs in the 70s/80s.


Kind of, yes.

Interesting point about live studio audiences: for me they make it a bit like theatre on the telly, and you are in the audience with them (especially with 5.1 sound). You do actually get a virtuous circle going between the audience and the cast when it's really good, and the actors have to leave little gaps without looking stilted, as the audience respond to a gag. Comic timing etc.

I actually miss that.

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Kind of, yes.

Interesting point about live studio audiences: for me they make it a bit like theatre on the telly, and you are in the audience with them (especially with 5.1 sound). You do actually get a virtuous circle going between the audience and the cast when it's really good, and the actors have to leave little gaps without looking stilted, as the audience respond to a gag. Comic timing etc.

I actually miss that.
Makes the difference in Still Game sounds like a live audience as well or at least a screening. With shows like Seinfeld it made the cast work harder as well. A lot don't have live audiences as you wouldn't even get a laugh louder than a mouse's fart.

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Makes the difference in Still Game sounds like a live audience as well or at least a screening. With shows like Seinfeld it made the cast work harder as well. A lot don't have live audiences as you wouldn't even get a laugh louder than a mouse's fart.


Screening isn't nearly as good. The cast will have to try and guess where the laughs will be when they record the show. And they would have to rewind the tape and re-record part of the show if the audience laughed all over the following line.

I think you either have a Live audience or you have none?

In which case, you have to have good source material. It's very hard to embellish a recorded audience-show with canned laughter in post without it sounding false.

Popular shows like Yes PM (and Yes M) gained greatly from having a Live audience, the format works very well for quality, well-loved shows.

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Some of the best moments in such shows are where the cast would almost corpse because the audience were wetting themselves at a good gag. If they actually corpsed then the illusion of 'reality' would be lost and that part would have to be redone. But if they teetered on the edge but managed to continue with a strongly held-in smirk, then that is Sitcom gold.

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Screening isn't nearly as good. The cast will have to try and guess where the laughs will be when they record the show. And they would have to rewind the tape and re-record part of the show if the audience laughed all over the following line.

I think you either have a Live audience or you have none?

In which case, you have to have good source material. It's very hard to embellish a recorded audience-show with canned laughter in post without it sounding false.

Popular shows like Yes PM (and Yes M) gained greatly from having a Live audience, the format works very well for quality, well-loved shows.
I used to have the DVD of Ripping Yarns which had the option of laughter track on or off for most episodes. Improved some made others worse. Bottom was really good as you could tell Rik Mayall especially was playing to the crowd. However on Fawlty Towers the laughter track which I'm sure was live obscured some of the dialogue and as John Cleese is verbose in it and talks fast the subtitles weren't accurate ir as funny as the actual dialogue and they came in before the punchline, maybe because I'm a fast reader I don't know.

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Some of the best moments in such shows are where the cast would almost corpse because the audience were wetting themselves at a good gag. If they actually corpsed then the illusion of 'reality' would be lost and that part would have to be redone. But if they teetered on the edge but managed to continue with a strongly held-in smirk, then that is Sitcom gold.
Play it cool, Trig being one.
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Curb Your Enthusiasm is my fav - he's one of very few comedians that isnt afraid to take on subjects that are typically taboo nowadays.  One of the reasons I like Gervais too - dying breed unfortunately  :rolleyes:

Jackie Mason who died two days ago was a rabbi before being a comedian. Saw him in London: extremely funny.

The one who changed everything you could say - especially the language - back in the 60's was Lennie Bruce. I saw him in Soho at the Establishment, part owned by Peter Cook in 1961.

He opened his act by saying "Fuck. Are you all happy now?" Nobody ever said fuck then. He actually changed my life. After watching him I decided I wanted to get paid to speak in public - and have for years.

Dudley Moore used to play piano in that club. I don't believe there ever was a better comedy act than those two, especially the Frog and Peach sketch External Link/Members Only though I agree that Ken Dodd was impossible to beat.

I defy anyone to watch Sid Caesar's German general sketch and not laugh: External Link/Members Only

I like Chubby Brown. Bernard Manning was very good in his club. Golden days.

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I used to have the DVD of Ripping Yarns which had the option of laughter track on or off for most episodes. Improved some made others worse. Bottom was really good as you could tell Rik Mayall especially was playing to the crowd. However on Fawlty Towers the laughter track which I'm sure was live obscured some of the dialogue and as John Cleese is verbose in it and talks fast the subtitles weren't accurate ir as funny as the actual dialogue and they came in before the punchline, maybe because I'm a fast reader I don't know.


Of course Ripping Yarns was recorded on location so would have been a screening, not Live audience.

You are right about Fawlty Towers, and there are several technical faults too, like boom shadows up the wall especially in the foyer. I have all of them on DVD. I think the thing is, often the big laughs were with stunts (Manuel hit on the head etc) and in any case, as you allude to, Cleese's performance was totally manic and OTT. I should imagine both he and the director decided not to reshoot many such scenes, because they know that doing it again will not get the same, big laugh. That's inevitable. Better to have a messy, technically-flawed scene which is an absolute ripsnorter, than risk doing it again with the laugh not half as good. They may even have reshot such scenes, but then chose the first one at the edit.

Those shows were all about the performance on the night, with that audience, and all the better for it IMO.

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Play it cool, Trig being one.

One of the funniest scenes ever. That and the chandelier scene  :lol:

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Jackie Mason who died two days ago was a rabbi before being a comedian. Saw him in London: extremely funny.

The one who changed everything you could say - especially the language - back in the 60's was Lennie Bruce. I saw him in Soho at the Establishment, part owned by Peter Cook in 1961.

He opened his act by saying "Fuck. Are you all happy now?" Nobody ever said fuck then. He actually changed my life. After watching him I decided I wanted to get paid to speak in public - and have for years.

Dudley Moore used to play piano in that club. I don't believe there ever was a better comedy act than those two, especially the Frog and Peach sketch External Link/Members Only though I agree that Ken Dodd was impossible to beat.

I defy anyone to watch Sid Caesar's German general sketch and not laugh: External Link/Members Only

I like Chubby Brown. Bernard Manning was very good in his club. Golden days.


Jackie Mason wouldn't be 'allowed' now.

But the funny thing is, everyone found him funny, including the Jewish community. As a Jewish New Yorker he probably did more for Jewish race relations in this country than anyone, certainly more than say Jonathan Sacks (who I actually have a lot of time for).

We should be able to laugh at this stuff, rather than simply snuff everything out to pander to the idea that racists will get off on it.

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Jackie Mason who died two days ago was a rabbi before being a comedian. Saw him in London: extremely funny.

The one who changed everything you could say - especially the language - back in the 60's was Lennie Bruce. I saw him in Soho at the Establishment, part owned by Peter Cook in 1961.

He opened his act by saying "Fuck. Are you all happy now?" Nobody ever said fuck then. He actually changed my life. After watching him I decided I wanted to get paid to speak in public - and have for years.

Dudley Moore used to play piano in that club. I don't believe there ever was a better comedy act than those two, especially the Frog and Peach sketch External Link/Members Only though I agree that Ken Dodd was impossible to beat.

I defy anyone to watch Sid Caesar's German general sketch and not laugh: External Link/Members Only

I like Chubby Brown. Bernard Manning was very good in his club. Golden days.
I'm happy to be shot down for this, but was Lenny Bruce actually piss funny or more of a preacher / philosopher type than an out and out comedian. I know comedy isn't one thing.

I know a lot of people say how great Bill Hicks was and no doubt an incredible performer. There's some belly laughs, but was he really THAT funny. Same with Mitch Hedberg. Another one who died too young Sam Kinnison I do find hilarious though

With Chubby and Manning and to a lesser extent the likes of Frank Carson and Jim Davidson it was just jealousy by younger comedians that stopped them getting on TV. Think about Chubby wasn't on TV in the early 90s still had a best selling VHS, must have fucked off a few of the observational comedians.

I was thinking when Manning was last on TV as a non documentary, Mrs Merton. Chubby in non documentary was on Frank Skinner.

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Jackie Mason wouldn't be 'allowed' now.

But the funny thing is, everyone found him funny, including the Jewish community. As a Jewish New Yorker he probably did more for Jewish race relations in this country than anyone, certainly more than say Jonathan Sacks (who I actually have a lot of time for).

We should be able to laugh at this stuff, rather than simply snuff everything out to pander to the idea that racists will get off on it.
Andrew Lawrence is a younger comedian I find funny, but can't get on TV after he came out as a conservative Brexiteer. Racists will always be racists, can't stop it. There's comedians who are lefty that I find very funny, Sean Hughes, Richard Herring, Daniel Kitson doesn't mean I agree with everything they say. 

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Absolutely this. Cancel Cutlure. It will end in tears, it's not natural and it's not good.

Much better to have everything out in the open where you can see it and debate it.

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Above all, it's not British. We have a well-deserved rep for gallows humour and edgy stuff, with basically good intent behind it.

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Absolutely this. Cancel Cutlure. It will end in tears, it's not natural and it's not good.

Much better to have everything out in the open where you can see it and debate it.
I agree. You can see how popular it is elsewhere. Not a huge fan of Jim Davidson never really found him funny apart from the outtakes with Jethro, but I admire he has been in the game since the 70s and as he said he hasn't done Chalkie White since the 80s and why would he? You hear very few West Indies accents these days. Anyone would think he did it last night.

Like you say you need more than one voice.

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The one who changed everything you could say - especially the language - back in the 60's was Lennie Bruce. I saw him in Soho at the Establishment, part owned by Peter Cook in 1961.

He opened his act by saying "Fuck. Are you all happy now?" Nobody ever said fuck then. He actually changed my life. After watching him I decided I wanted to get paid to speak in public - and have for years.




Bernard Manning was very good in his club. Golden days.

Lennie Bruce broke the mould, I am envious you saw him live Colston. As for Bernard Manning, he probably had the best timing of any comedian and a very funny man to boot. I used to live round the corner from the Embassy club in Harpurhey, happy days.

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Tim Vine - not only his shit material but the expectant ways he delivers it, almost expecting a laugh even though his one liners are crap. I dont mind a one line comedian,  stuart Francis and melton are brilliant at it

David Dougherty I have no idea why or how he is supposed to be funny.

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Tim Vine - not only his shit material but the expectant ways he delivers it, almost expecting a laugh even though his one liners are crap. I dont mind a one line comedian,  stuart Francis and melton are brilliant at it

David Dougherty I have no idea why or how he is supposed to be funny.
Totally disagree. He's hilarious and won the best joke at the Edinburgh fringe recently.

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Tim Vine - not only his shit material but the expectant ways he delivers it, almost expecting a laugh even though his one liners are crap.

A comedian for idiots.
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Tim Vine - not only his shit material but the expectant ways he delivers it, almost expecting a laugh even though his one liners are crap. I dont mind a one line comedian,  stuart Francis and melton are brilliant at it

David Dougherty I have no idea why or how he is supposed to be funny.
Tim Vine does tell bad jokes and he widely acknowledges it. I think because he is a clean comedian and pretty much the old school of telling jokes rather than say stories or having any sort of gimmick or edge, he is an anomaly in modern comedy.

This billboard is however hilarious:
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Any of the useless twats after 1980 can’t tell a joke

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Personally he doesn't bother me but I don't find him particularly funny either:

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Personally he doesn't bother me but I don't find him particularly funny either:

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Ironically he sells more seats than a lot of comedians who are on TV.

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Tim Vine does tell bad jokes and he widely acknowledges it. I think because he is a clean comedian and pretty much the old school of telling jokes rather than say stories or having any sort of gimmick or edge, he is an anomaly in modern comedy.

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Tommy Cooper made a career out of telling awful jokes-alongside being an accomplished magician-but he had immaculate timing and was genuinely funny. Although I'm sure all the miserable sods on here will probably say he wasn't funny either?  :rolleyes:
 

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Ironically he sells more seats than a lot of comedians who are on TV.
Not really ironic - just a fact. Lots of people/bands sell way more than peers who get on tv. Most of the bands I liked growing up were never in radio or tv yet sold out the big venues time after time. All it means is that the people who book tv shows have a pretty limited pool they choose from (or that they choose for their imagined audience which seems to be a middle class, religious nuclear family living in surrey if you’re the bbc for example

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Not really ironic - just a fact. Lots of people/bands sell way more than peers who get on tv. Most of the bands I liked growing up were never in radio or tv yet sold out the big venues time after time. All it means is that the people who book tv shows have a pretty limited pool they choose from (or that they choose for their imagined audience which seems to be a middle class, religious nuclear family living in surrey if you’re the bbc for example
It's seems to go through cycles and there seems to mainly be new talent and a few old hands: Jack Dee, Jo Brand, maybe Frank Skinner. A lot of comedians I saw on TV haven't been on in Donkey's.

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Tommy Cooper made a career out of telling awful jokes-alongside being an accomplished magician-but he had immaculate timing and was genuinely funny. Although I'm sure all the miserable sods on here will probably say he wasn't funny either?  :rolleyes:
Tommy Cooper was a weird one because he was mainstream but maybe what would have been classed as alternative had he been a new comedian in 83. Same goes for Jasper Carrot and Billy Connolly they escaped the alternative comedy label, but Cook and Moore didn't.

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Graham Norton. I don’t mind that he’s homosexual: it’s just the irritating tone of his voice that seems to be proclaiming “I’m so gay!!!” every time he opens his fucking mouth. Bit of a one trick pony.

Alan Carr’s openly gay and I’m not mad about his style, too squeaky, but he’s not trying to get a laugh out of his sexuality all the time. Same for Stephen Fry — who I don’t find annoying, partly as he’s easy on the ear but also an intelligent man. But not quite in the same league as Oscar Wilde!

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A lot of comedians I saw on TV haven't been on in Donkey's.

I think a lot of them see wokeness as killing their profession. It can’t be so much fun taking the piss if you have to worry about offending someone or getting ‘cancelled’. Ricky Gervais gets away with it of course — one of the funniest blokes on the planet (him & his lawyers!).

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I think a lot of them see wokeness as killing their profession. It can’t be so much fun taking the piss if you have to worry about offending someone or getting ‘cancelled’. Ricky Gervais gets away with it of course — one of the funniest blokes on the planet (him & his lawyers!).
Definitely true in the case of Lee Hurst and Andrew Lawrence. But I think how it's done which count both Gervais and Carr might be unPC, but neither are overtly political. Gervais has said he's more of a humanist and Carr is a straight gag man. Hurst and Lawrence have openly come out as being Brexiteers and in the past supporting either UKIP or Cons. Andrew Lawrence for people who haven't heard of him as been on Live at the Apollo a BBC 1 show watched by millions and Lee Hurst used to be team captain on They Think It's All Over also BBC 1 primetime. Could group Jim Davidson in there for the same reasons albeit saying some deliberately sexist things to ruffle feathers didn't help, plus he was seen as a bit of a dinosaurs, but he presented The Generation Game and Big Break attracting millions of viewers.

Then there's comedians who are left leaning who weren't on TV much in the mid 00s - Mark Lamarr - I know he retired from comedy and focused on radio, but a virtual ghost when he left Buzzcocks. The other was deceased Sean Hughes barely on TV in the 00s unless you count Coronation Street which he said he did for a laugh. Bruce Morton as well, no idea what his politics were, but he was prolific on Channel 4 - what the flip happened to him?

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I think it's any comedian who treat their audience like thick c*nts, telling boring crap jokes. I also hate zoe Lyons saw her at a comedy club in leeds about 14 years ago before she was on telly. She was so shit, basically doing face contortions and shit impressions it made me want to focus on eating the worst cheese burger I have ever been served
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I think a lot of them see wokeness as killing their profession. It can’t be so much fun taking the piss if you have to worry about offending someone or getting ‘cancelled’. Ricky Gervais gets away with it of course — one of the funniest blokes on the planet (him & his lawyers!).

But comics also said this in the 1980s about the rise of alternative comedy.  Harry Enfield lampooned it to some extent with his Slobs sketch about Newman and Baddiel versus Hale and Pace.

Benny Hill was taken off air while still at the peak of audience pull, on account of 'changing tastes'.

The Beeb seem content to push a diet of Lee Mack and John Bishop on us at peak time.

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Bill Bailey for me. I was out for dinner and he tried to chat up one of the girls in our group. She fobbed him off and he said "do you know who I am?". Can't bear to watch anything that he is in now.

I thought he is married with a kid?  Seems like a pretty normal guy on shows.

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But comics also said this in the 1980s about the rise of alternative comedy.  Harry Enfield lampooned it to some extent with his Slobs sketch about Newman and Baddiel versus Hale and Pace.

Benny Hill was taken off air while still at the peak of audience pull, on account of 'changing tastes'.

The Beeb seem content to push a diet of Lee Mack and John Bishop on us at peak time.

You know more comics than I do. I do however have good memories of laughing with Newman and Baddiel  and their ‘professor’ interviews.

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But comics also said this in the 1980s about the rise of alternative comedy.  Harry Enfield lampooned it to some extent with his Slobs sketch about Newman and Baddiel versus Hale and Pace.

Benny Hill was taken off air while still at the peak of audience pull, on account of 'changing tastes'.

The Beeb seem content to push a diet of Lee Mack and John Bishop on us at peak time.
The above is nothing new. Comedians always slag off other comedians. Look at how many Stewart Lee has mentioned, definitely punching down with Joe Pasquale as funny as it was.

Also Bernard Manning had he dropped all the Irish, racist and sexist jokes he would probably be regarded as a national treasure in the same league as Les Dawson. And as I've mentioned before he was a good singer as well.

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The above is nothing new. Comedians always slag off other comedians. Look at how many Stewart Lee has mentioned, definitely punching down with Joe Pasquale as funny as it was.

Also Bernard Manning had he dropped all the Irish, racist and sexist jokes he would probably be regarded as a national treasure in the same league as Les Dawson. And as I've mentioned before he was a good singer as well.

Jim Davidson has spent the past 25 years moaning about not being on telly because of PC comics. Nothing to do with his wife beating tax avoiding media image...

How come Chubby Brown can pack out arenas and flog multiple DVDs and he can't? Could it be something to do with consumer demand? Or that punters prefer the full fat non-PC routines over Chalky White and risque panto?

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As for Bernard Manning, to quote the great man himself, "It's a fuckin' disgrace"  :D

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Jim Davidson has spent the past 25 years moaning about not being on telly because of PC comics. Nothing to do with his wife beating tax avoiding media image...

How come Chubby Brown can pack out arenas and flog multiple DVDs and he can't? Could it be something to do with consumer demand? Or that punters prefer the full fat non-PC routines over Chalky White and risque panto?
He's not done Chalky White since the 80s. Not done the spoof pantos since the early 00s. His DVDs are released by Universal same as Chubby's. Universal wouldn't put out DVDs of say Zoe Lyons or Simon Munnery as they don't sell enough. Don't get me wrong I find Chubby much funnier than Davidson and agree some of the hype about blacklisted is self-created, but I respect the fact both are still doing comedy when they are due their pensions soon. Can't say the same about some comedians who choose comedy as a way to become a serious actor or a writer.

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He's not done Chalky White since the 80s. Not done the spoof pantos since the early 00s. His DVDs are released by Universal same as Chubby's. Universal wouldn't put out DVDs of say Zoe Lyons or Simon Munnery as they don't sell enough. Don't get me wrong I find Chubby much funnier than Davidson and agree some of the hype about blacklisted is self-created, but I respect the fact both are still doing comedy when they are due their pensions soon. Can't say the same about some comedians who choose comedy as a way to become a serious actor or a writer.

Not a fan of either.  Once saw Munnery for free, pretty dismal.  Zoe Lyons gets on my wick.

CB is 76 so well past pension age.

I just don't think there's a market for Davidson anymore, even among people who would otherwise be into that style.  I think he's always wanted feet in both camps, the edgy stand up and the mainstream telly work.

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Alex fucking Horne on Saturday Kitchen Live now.
I already mentioned Tim Key, the posh twats come as a package.
'We Need Answers' pissed me off that much when it was on I had to go out to the local sauna and punt (remember it well hehe).

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Probably a bit controversial, but Rob Brydon thought he was brilliant in his early stuff like Marion and Geoff and Human Remains. He butts in at every opportunity on Would I Lie To You? Comes across as a bit attention seeking.

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That acaster prick.

Shit jokes, and an annoying fucking twat to boot!

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American comedians don’t annoy me.

Maybe it’s a cultural thing  I don’t find many American comedians funny. To my uneducated ear, they just kind of drone on. Slightly amusing perhaps, but they need a cleverly scripted, well-executed movie or tv-series to make me laugh out loud. Their humour is tame, which ends up boring, which ends up me reaching for the off button before they get annoying.

The only reason they don’t annoy me is that I switch off after five minutes of drivel.  :sarcastic:

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American comedians don’t annoy me.

Maybe it’s a cultural thing  I don’t find many American comedians funny. To my uneducated ear, they just kind of drone on. Slightly amusing perhaps, but they need a cleverly scripted, well-executed movie or tv-series to make me laugh out loud. Their humour is tame, which ends up boring, which ends up me reaching for the off button before they get annoying.

The only reason they don’t annoy me is that I switch off after five minutes of drivel.  :sarcastic:
Even Larry David?

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That acaster prick.

Shit jokes, and an annoying fucking twat to boot!
Never liked him, but everyone I've spoken to seems to think he is piss funny.

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Even Larry David?
Unfortunately he bores me long before his five minutes are up.

There’s a device we used to see at comedy festivals where a comedian gets up and can continue until the audience boos them off. It’s a really good test in a certain way. Yet I recall two nights where someone got up and was booed off in about 15 seconds. He got up the next night and the audience wouldn’t let him stop. Even when he had no material left they laughed.

The audience reaction can make anyone seem funny in an arbitrary sort of way. But that’s not the comedian. There are people who, if I laughed with the audience, I would be laughing at how crap the ‘comedian’ was and how funny we thought that was!

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Unfortunately he bores me long before his five minutes are up.

There’s a device we used to see at comedy festivals where a comedian gets up and can continue until the audience boos them off. It’s a really good test in a certain way. Yet I recall two nights where someone got up and was booed off in about 15 seconds. He got up the next night and the audience wouldn’t let him stop. Even when he had no material left they laughed.

The audience reaction can make anyone seem funny in an arbitrary sort of way. But that’s not the comedian. There are people who, if I laughed with the audience, I would be laughing at how crap the ‘comedian’ was and how funny we thought that was!
I think it depends how the material translates. I think Septics generally like British comedians more than we like American ones. You can see how massive Monty Python and to a lesser extent Billy Connolly and Benny Hill were in America. Apart from a few crap films like American Pie it seems too OTT to us. I love Bill Burr, but don't find his stand up piss funny, but I do enjoy it as I am watching a master craftsman the same with Bill Hicks (way overrated IMO), Eddie Murphy, Robin Williams, George Carlin and Richard Pryor.

I've said it before, but I do believe Curb Your Enthusiasm is one of the best comedies of the last 20 years and very little current comedies touch it.