Stardustx in Croydon: a happy ending with wild and crazy sex

[jesse4585]

It's long been known that White Knights like to tell WGs about reviews on here.   But to see two genuine punters argue that it's a good thing...

I'm now afraid to turn on the news in case I see scientists arguing that global warming is good for the planet,  or Pope Francis saying Richard Dwarkins has a point.     

PS - thanks for good review OP.

[LLPunting]

Blackmail is rather a strong word for some guys inevitably trying to beat her price down over this. I think they'll be very much in the minority and if she has any sense she'll tell them to go take a hike.

If she has a real intent to sort out her unreliability issues as a result of this débacle then I think she has the potential to be a good British SP at a reasonable price. That's what she needs to do.

As for even mentioning UKP, that's always a real no-no  . And expeller, the way I'm reading ADF's review is that she was fairly immediately offering to make up for her shortcomings, therefore nothing whatsoever to do with your alerting her to UKP. Telling WGs about UKP is never a good idea. Of course many know about it already, but even bringing up the subject is frankly stupid. Deny all knowledge of it.

WW, the problem here is OP has overly detailed the compromise the SP made to make up for a supposedly legit error.  The spirit in which these two have engaged may well have been totally honourable but now that she has shown herself to be so accommodating she will be targetted.  This is almost a certainty given our collective experiences of how SPs have seen the number of insistent punters change after reviews that made them popular, for whatever reason.  Whilst we all wish for SPs who are consistent in performance and behaviour regardless of colour, creed, size, shape, looks, nationality of punter the services would always be YMMV subject to behaviour, hygiene and manners of the punter.
Whilst she can indeed turn "cunters" away there's nowt she can do about them fabricating reviews on whichever site to her detriment.  Whilst she protects herself from entertaining them she is still victim to their retribution.  Agreed there will hopefully be few of them but one's one too many.  Dropping profile(s) and assuming new name(s) doesn't help as ordinary UKPers may well collectively find her again and connect her history...

Whilst UKP was specifically set up for punters to help other punters its all cummers welcome policy means it is repeatedly abused to abuse SPs.

[LLPunting]

LL, old chap, I'm the OP. I fail to see how me accepting a WG's unsolicited offer of a one-off special deal to make up for her messing me about qualifies for any of the above. Or are you under the impression that Expeller was the OP?

By the way, what the girl said after I handed her a hundred, as well as "thank you, but you don't have to pay unless you want to, you know" is that she would view it simply as her having paid for the champagne. It didn't cost me £50 of course, but that's how she wanted to see it.

Apols ADF I misdirected, most of my concern is for Expeller's practices.
I would however suggest that next time an SP offers to make up for things gone wrong and you decide to try again that you don't disclose the full details of the compensation, ESPECIALLY if she's offering freebies.  Also go along prepared to pay the full amount rather than deliberately short. 

[LLPunting]

I am inclined to agree with him, and call you on this.  UKP is not secret in any case, nor preventing access without sign-in, and SPs are not all stupid and google-illiterate.  The more that realise that bad service will be noted and shared is to our benefit, I think.  Even without the issues around reviews, the various threads relating to What We Want (including, say, Bareback Avoidance etc) would surely be beneficial for many would-be SPs to understand.  It won't make them younger or prettier - but it might make them focus on what actually matters.  Which for some of us, is not how young and pretty they are.

The point is not the honourable use case you suggest, it is the abuse that goes on.  That drives SPs away, alienates them, degrades their inclination to perform well, discourages others from being SPs.  There are perhaps a few hundred active contributors on this site, even if we assume they are all well intentioned towards SPs (which they aren't) that still leaves the thousands of lurkers and leeches who exploit this resource for their own selfish ends.
AW's functionality provides enough feedback for any "honest" SP to learn about customer service if she's smart enough to realise delivering what she advertises is good for business, lying is bad.  UKP is not needed to improve SPs.

[LLPunting]

Many thanks for backing me up. My motivation has always been to improve things for both punters and SP's.

Whilst that is laudable, you are on the wrong site to do it.  You should be over on UKE and the like where punters and SPs interact.  UKP is not an SP resource.

[unus669]

I am inclined to agree with him, and call you on this.  UKP is not secret in any case, nor preventing access without sign-in, and SPs are not all stupid and google-illiterate.  The more that realise that bad service will be noted and shared is to our benefit, I think.  Even without the issues around reviews, the various threads relating to What We Want (including, say, Bareback Avoidance etc) would surely be beneficial for many would-be SPs to understand.  It won't make them younger or prettier - but it might make them focus on what actually matters.  Which for some of us, is not how young and pretty they are.

So you go around telling every WG, you punt about UKP

The fact, you also cannot see the flaw in your premise is worrying. The good thing is, there are now 2 people, I will take their reviews with a pinch of salt

[Jerk Chicken]

I am inclined to agree with him, and call you on this.  UKP is not secret in any case, nor preventing access without sign-in, and SPs are not all stupid and google-illiterate.  The more that realise that bad service will be noted and shared is to our benefit, I think.  Even without the issues around reviews, the various threads relating to What We Want (including, say, Bareback Avoidance etc) would surely be beneficial for many would-be SPs to understand.  It won't make them younger or prettier - but it might make them focus on what actually matters.  Which for some of us, is not how young and pretty they are.

Any punter who believes by "cuddling" up to WGs by way of informing them of what is discussed and reviewed on here may lead to a better service is totally delusional. I see it for what it is. It is totally foolhardy to even remotely believe the dyanamics will not change during the punt by giving the WG this info and she will not be grateful that a WK has not brought it to her attention.

That gratefulness can manifest itself in to all sorts of appreciation from free fucks to extra time to giving a service that none of us will ever get. This is basic human psychology.

Sorry simply not buying this nonsense that as per @expeller informing WGs of their bad reviews during a punt will lead to better punts for all. I have long mooted that there are some real punks/WK on here and I have been challenged by a WG by text after a WK informed her of my review and banned by another (not going to name her). We have also seen from time to time posts where WGs won't see guys if they know in advance they are active members of UKP.

You guys need to wake up and smell the coffee; at least I now know who 2 of "the informers" are!

[winkywanky]

WW, the problem here is OP has overly detailed the compromise the SP made to make up for a supposedly legit error.  The spirit in which these two have engaged may well have been totally honourable but now that she has shown herself to be so accommodating she will be targetted.  This is almost a certainty given our collective experiences of how SPs have seen the number of insistent punters change after reviews that made them popular, for whatever reason.  Whilst we all wish for SPs who are consistent in performance and behaviour regardless of colour, creed, size, shape, looks, nationality of punter the services would always be YMMV subject to behaviour, hygiene and manners of the punter.
Whilst she can indeed turn "cunters" away there's nowt she can do about them fabricating reviews on whichever site to her detriment.  Whilst she protects herself from entertaining them she is still victim to their retribution.  Agreed there will hopefully be few of them but one's one too many.  Dropping profile(s) and assuming new name(s) doesn't help as ordinary UKPers may well collectively find her again and connect her history...

Whilst UKP was specifically set up for punters to help other punters its all cummers welcome policy means it is repeatedly abused to abuse SPs.

I like your term 'cunters', it says it all for those who would abuse WGs, financially or otherwise  .

OK, I get your point about not mentioning the exact offer the WG made to make amends for the let-down of the first abortive punt. Having said that, had ADF not mentioned the exact offer, I think we both know that at least one poster would have asked exactly what that offer was! 

I think the fact of the matter is, cunters gonna cunt. I don't think ADF's detailed review would make a non-cunter turn into a cunter. Guys are either a cunter or they're not.

As for cunters threatening to write a bad review on her unless they get a discount, if that were to happen on UKP then I think there's generally enough collective nous on here to be suspicious of such a review, bearing in mind who wrote it, his history on here, and the review history of the girl in question.

As for guys telling WGs they have accounts on UKP in the hope that they'll get a better service or even a discount, that clearly does other punters a disservice, in reality they're trying to get a better service for themselves not for others. It doesn't work for Michelin Star  restaurant reviewers, and it doesn't work in the world of punting either.

[Jerk Chicken]

WW let us not forget the WG posted her compensation offer on AW to OP.

Copied here verbatim

"Im sorry personal matters unpredictable occurred . I offered you money for your time and 200 you wud have paid me but u declined . Sorry that wasn’t enough."

[cotton]

I like your term 'cunters', it says it all for those who would abuse WGs, financially or otherwise  .

OK, I get your point about not mentioning the exact offer the WG made to make amends for the let-down of the first abortive punt. Having said that, had ADF not mentioned the exact offer, I think we both know that at least one poster would have asked exactly what that offer was! 

I think the fact of the matter is, cunters gonna cunt. I don't think ADF's detailed review would make a non-cunter turn into a cunter. Guys are either a cunter or they're not.

As for cunters threatening to write a bad review on her unless they get a discount, if that were to happen on UKP then I think there's generally enough collective nous on here to be suspicious of such a review, bearing in mind who wrote it, his history on here, and the review history of the girl in question.

As for guys telling WGs they have accounts on UKP in the hope that they'll get a better service or even a discount, that clearly does other punters a disservice, in reality they're trying to get a better service for themselves not for others. It doesn't work for Michelin Star  restaurant reviewers, and it doesn't work in the world of punting either.

WW , i dont think its about turning punters into cunters its about publicising this SPs potential vulnerability to be coerced by those punters who do do such things , ie use UKP reviews as leverage for money off , bareback and whatever else.
Obviously OP posted with good intent but with hindsight it might have been best to exclude the peripheral details and just document the girl and services.

The idea we would automatically readily detect instances of this is not necessarily true , especially if the cunt is a respected member , ie themademan2 and wasnt the guy who took over UKE pulled up for doing something like this , so it does happen and staying silent is often the easiest option for victims so its not always obvious.

[winkywanky]

WW let us not forget the WG posted her compensation offer on AW to OP.

Copied here verbatim

"Im sorry personal matters unpredictable occurred . I offered you money for your time and 200 you wud have paid me but u declined . Sorry that wasn’t enough."

...and?

[winkywanky]

WW , i dont think its about turning punters into cunters its about publicising this SPs potential vulnerability to be coerced by those punters who do do such things , ie use UKP reviews as leverage for money off , bareback and whatever else.
Obviously OP posted with good intent but with hindsight it might have been best to exclude the peripheral details and just document the girl and services.

The idea we would automatically readily detect instances of this is not necessarily true , especially if the cunt is a respected member , ie themademan2 and wasnt the guy who took over UKE pulled up for doing something like this , so it does happen and staying silent is often the easiest option for victims so its not always obvious.

I would indeed call that being a cunter.

When you say OP shouln't have posted 'peripheral details', what do you mean by that? Do you mean he shouldn't have said in his 2nd review that the WG made up for her earlier fuck-up by doing a deal on his 2nd visit?

[A Decent Fist]

When you say OP shouln't have posted 'peripheral details', what do you mean by that? Do you mean he shouldn't have said in his 2nd review that the WG made up for her earlier fuck-up by doing a deal on his 2nd visit?

I was musing along the same lines. Given the negative I'd given the girl only a few days before, if I'd just said "I gave her another chance because she said sorry" and didn't report the deal, I am 100 per cent sure that some of the people on this thread would have smelled a rat and demanded to know if she'd made me an offer.

If I said nowt they would have presumed I did get a deal, if I denied it one of them might have had a back-channel to the escort and could then have outed me as a liar.

I did think about all this in advance and decided that total transparency was the only way to write the new review. Nothing that has been said has changed my mind.

[Jerk Chicken]

I was musing along the same lines. Given the negative I'd given the girl only a few days before, if I'd just said "I gave her another chance because she said sorry" and didn't report the deal, I am 100 per cent sure that some of the people on this thread would have smelled a rat and demanded to know if she'd made me an offer.

If I said nowt they would have presumed I did get a deal, if I denied it one of them might have had a back-channel to the escort and could then have outed me as a liar.

I did think about all this in advance and decided that total transparency was the only way to write the new review. Nothing that has been said has changed my mind.

I agree and frankly you did not have much choice as she had already posted on AW that she had offered you the deal although she does go on to say you rejected it.

[A Decent Fist]

she does go on to say you rejected it. 

As I said 63 posts back, I played it cool at first and only softened my attitude when she followed up on her original offer by trying to arrange a time for the new meeting. I’d have let it drop otherwise.

[LLPunting]

I was musing along the same lines. Given the negative I'd given the girl only a few days before, if I'd just said "I gave her another chance because she said sorry" and didn't report the deal, I am 100 per cent sure that some of the people on this thread would have smelled a rat and demanded to know if she'd made me an offer.

If I said nowt they would have presumed I did get a deal, if I denied it one of them might have had a back-channel to the escort and could then have outed me as a liar.

I did think about all this in advance and decided that total transparency was the only way to write the new review. Nothing that has been said has changed my mind.

Appreciate you thought it through and concluded as you did.
Would you return to her at her regular price if she delivered any less than what you got?

[A Decent Fist]

Erm, dunno. Depends how much less. We have already made plans for some different things to try next time and she seems very keen. I won’t say what until it happens but I have wide-ranging tastes and most guys here would not want what I am planning in this instance.

[LLPunting]

Erm, dunno. Depends how much less. We have already made plans for some different things to try next time and she seems very keen. I won’t say what until it happens but I have wide-ranging tastes and most guys here would not want what I am planning in this instance.

Fair'nuff.  Will you be paying her standard rate or are extras involved?  GL with the next encounter. 

[Equaltizer]

I would NEVER share my user name from UKP with any Service providers, because it makes it more possible for you to be Outed and identified in R L.

[winkywanky]

I would NEVER share my user name from UKP with any Service providers, because it makes it more possible for you to be Outed and identified in R L.

Even better than that, don't even bother to post up any reviews, then no-one will ever know who the fuck you are! 

[unus669]

Even better than that, don't even bother to post up any reviews, then no-one will ever know who the fuck you are! 

 

He walked straight into that

[winkywanky]

...it's like shooting tin ducks at the fair    .

[Xtro]

You just gotta love winkywanky...   

[LLPunting]

Even better than that, don't even bother to post up any reviews, then no-one will ever know who the fuck you are! 

To be fair he's posted some encounters in his past comments although if he's trying to preserve his anonymity he's failed a number of times, being a regular prowler around Soho is not the lowest of profile punting activities and the private CCTV covering walk-up access ways means patrons are recorded by unaccountables.

[Equaltizer]

Even better than that, don't even bother to post up any reviews, then no-one will ever know who the fuck you are! 

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Why are you being such a cunt. You're just a fucking idiot who thinks he's clever like the other fucking dickhead.
I made a legitimate comment, I didn't insult anybody.
So why do you have to start on me. Can't you think of something for yourself. Fuck Off.
You won't win this fight because I don't exist , think about it.

[LLPunting]

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Why are you being such a cunt. You're just a fucking idiot who thinks he's clever like the other fucking dickhead.
I made a legitimate comment, I didn't insult anybody.
So why do you have to start on me. Can't you think of something for yourself. Fuck Off.
You won't win this fight because I don't exist , think about it.

Ah snowflake, guilt got your all riled up?
Sympathise with your existential nihilism.  If you don't exist to WW and indeed you don't exist to yourself then why are all of us mere figments of your imagination involved in the frustration of this thread that is of your own imagining?
When you look at yourself in the mirror that you're screaming at, be sure to scream all our names as your own paranoias consume your senses.
Enjoy the torment and do keep on screaming.

[Equaltizer]

You write Very good entertaining reviews. Almost prize winning. No body can tell the real from the fantasy.
I have never criticised your editorials. So why do you think you have to be a bully and draw you're fan boys to join in.
I made a legitimate comment. Why don't you talk about that.

[Equaltizer]

Ah snowflake, guilt got your all riled up?
Sympathise with your existential nihilism.  If you don't exist to WW and indeed you don't exist to yourself then why are all of us mere figments of your imagination involved in the frustration of this thread that is of your own imagining?
When you look at yourself in the mirror that you're screaming at, be sure to scream all our names as your own paranoias consume your senses.
Enjoy the torment and do keep on screaming.

Do you see what I mean now? !!!!!!!
 Look what you've started now. All the fucking idiots coming out of their zombie closets. Quoting poetry as they line up like a pack of rabid wolves to attack a man for daring to make a comment.
Do you mind telling what I did that was SO Offensive, please,
 I'm waiting to hear. You can't give a reason because their are NO reasons.
And may I just point out that I'm not riled up. Its just that I'm trying to get my head around all this bullying and tag teaming that goes on. I won't be needing any therapy for this one. Haha.
Say what you want. Nobody exist and Nobody gives a fuck.
Perhaps this is the therapy , typing insults to someone whilst your in a darkened back bedroom in your dirty Y Fronts.
And I'm not referring to myself either. Haha.
Good day to you all.

[A Decent Fist]

You can't give a reason because their are NO reasons.

That rang a bell. Racked my brain... and then a tune popped into that very vacant space:

And he can see no reason
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be sure
Oh, oh, oh tell me why
I don't like Mondays

There's only one reason your comments attract hostility. It's that little figure "zero" next to your review count. Leeches are unpopular.

[Equaltizer]

That rang a bell. Racked my brain... and then a tune popped into that very vacant space:

And he can see no reason
'Cause there are no reasons
What reason do you need to be sure
Oh, oh, oh tell me why
I don't like Mondays

There's only one reason your comments attract hostility. It's that little figure "zero" next to your review count. Leeches are unpopular.

Now I know. Thanks for the explanation.
Enough said.

[winkywanky]

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Why are you being such a cunt. You're just a fucking idiot who thinks he's clever like the other fucking dickhead.
I made a legitimate comment, I didn't insult anybody.
So why do you have to start on me. Can't you think of something for yourself. Fuck Off.
You won't win this fight because I don't exist , think about it.

Here we go again... .

You've been here for 18mths and very much give the impression you punt. You post up no reviews to assist others in what is a very expensive hobby/pastime, yet no doubt you use valuable intel from here to inform your own punting choices. Who's the cunt? 

And by the way, posting up reviewsto assist others is in the rules. Perhaps don't try to be part of a club without 'paying your subs', eh?

You exist only for my own amusement in calling you out for what you are, namely a leeching twat who spouts drivel. Feel very free to continue the conversation if you so wish  .

[winkywanky]

You write Very good entertaining reviews. Almost prize winning. No body can tell the real from the fantasy.
I have never criticised your editorials. So why do you think you have to be a bully and draw you're fan boys to join in.
I made a legitimate comment. Why don't you talk about that.

I'm not a bully, I'm pointing out your lack of contribution and like so many others like yourself, your first reaction is to bite back rather than take it on board.

As for my fan boys joining in, they're nothing of the sort, they're all guys who I have previously had 'frank and open discussions' and even disagreements with in the past, but the one uniting factor which they all respect is the opinion of a fellow punter who does his bit.

You don't have that respect, because a) you can't be bothered to review, and b) you spit out your dummy when you have it pointed out to you.

I can't put it any more plainly than that.

[winkywanky]

Do you see what I mean now? !!!!!!!
 Look what you've started now. All the fucking idiots coming out of their zombie closets. Quoting poetry as they line up like a pack of rabid wolves to attack a man for daring to make a comment.
Do you mind telling what I did that was SO Offensive, please,
 I'm waiting to hear. You can't give a reason because their are NO reasons.
And may I just point out that I'm not riled up. Its just that I'm trying to get my head around all this bullying and tag teaming that goes on. I won't be needing any therapy for this one. Haha.
Say what you want. Nobody exist and Nobody gives a fuck.
Perhaps this is the therapy , typing insults to someone whilst your in a darkened back bedroom in your dirty Y Fronts.
And I'm not referring to myself either. Haha.
Good day to you all.

You are selfish

[Equaltizer]

You are selfish

 

Soooo 1 minute you're all condemning a fellow punter for virtually blackmailing a SP into virtually offering free sex in order to correct a review, and now like a pack of savage rabid wolves you want to turn your attentions on SELFISH
 ME for Daring to make a comment whilst not being a full contributor to the reviews.
Get over your fucking self and get off you're high horse you are not Admin or the moderator. You pay a prostitute for sex and write about it that's all. That is what this site is.
You are nothing special just because you can write a entertaining review.
Don't fucking start what you can't finish. And call off you're rabid fan boy wolves..


MIND YOURE OWN FUCKING BUSINESS.

[LLPunting]

Now I know. Thanks for the explanation.
Enough said.

Now you know, we look forward to further references from Sir Bob's anthology to outline your future contributory commitments to this community.

[Equaltizer]

GOOD LUCK !!!!!

[Hobbit]

Many thanks for backing me up. My motivation has always been to improve things for both punters and SP's.

That's very kind of you. I'll nominate you for the next peace award. 

[winkywanky]

 

Soooo 1 minute you're all condemning a fellow punter for virtually blackmailing a SP into virtually offering free sex in order to correct a review, and now like a pack of savage rabid wolves you want to turn your attentions on SELFISH
 ME for Daring to make a comment whilst not being a full contributor to the reviews.
Get over your fucking self and get off you're high horse you are not Admin or the moderator. You pay a prostitute for sex and write about it that's all. That is what this site is.
You are nothing special just because you can write a entertaining review.
Don't fucking start what you can't finish. And call off you're rabid fan boy wolves..


MIND YOURE OWN FUCKING BUSINESS.

What on earth are you on about, you delusional cretin?

Or indeed, what are you on?

I thought you said you'd had your last word on this anyway? 

[pbrown355]

This existential thread is fascinating. I thought someone may be interested in it's similarity to a thread in the W.Mids about whether one should, or should not include every detail of a punt. The point then was about identifying oneself to a SP, and/or the possibility of pointing out inconsistency in a profile vs what the WG may actually provide.
The OP had this dilemma. IMHO he made entirely the right decision. Once we start deciding which bits to include and which to leave out our forum becomes pretty pointless.
As for expelair or whatever he would call himself if he existed, he should find something else to do with his time. By this I don't mean punting, I mean typing.

[PatMacGroin]

Turns perception/deduction of UKPers from being a bunch of pitiable horny men who swap tales of sex exploits whilst sharing a drink into an organised bunch of sexual predators exploiting vulnerable women.
Coercing women into sex acts under the threat of reputational harm or indeed promotion of unsustainable service levels is not the behaviour of a punter, it's the behaviour of an abusive pimp.
If OP never intended these consequences then he needs to change his practices right now.

On the face of it, reading this review and the previous negative I didn't get the impression that ADF, the OP, was trying to blackmail or manipulate this WG. He appears to have stated the events as he saw them in a very straight forward, matter of fact manner. It genuinely seems like the WG regretted causing him any inconvenience and wanted to make amends.

Doing it in such a way that there is now a very clear link between his UKP and AW profiles is possibly something he may end up regretting. Although, from his posting history ADF doesn't seem be too concerned about discretion or anonymity (by that I mean taking steps to make sure a WG can't identify him from his reviews). And, unfortunately there have been members in the past that have tried to use their UKP identity to encourage favours from WG's.

So I agree with LLP, that the suggestion of these practices can be bad for UKP's reputation. Taken out of context there are plenty of comments in this thread that hack journalists can use to create a titillating article for some rag newspaper. Hopefully, there aren't too many punters that get the wrong idea from this thread and try to coerce this WG. Or at least that she is able to deal with any lowlife that does try it on.

[Joran]

I was ghosted by stardust but unfortunately did not have OP’s luck. After having tried twice (first time unsuccessful meet due to bad coms and second time she went silent at the meeting time) I will not attempt to meet her again. She sounds like a great girl if you manage to meet, but I do prefer meeting more reliable girls.

[NervousEnergy]

@ADF - just seen she now has face pics in her gallery. Are they her?


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[A Decent Fist]

Yes they are, but the shorter hairstyle she has now suits her face much better. As the fluffy AW reports always put it, the pics simply do not do her justice. In my opinion.

[Fuzzyduck]

Even better than that, don't even bother to post up any reviews, then no-one will ever know who the fuck you are! 

Who was that guy, WW? LLP even backed him up on his level of contribution but he still throws his toys out of the pram and decides to play the victim. Still, anyone who openly blows kisses at SPs on UKP gets a shake of the head from me. Not that he gives a fuck of course. But then I'm not really here anyway.

Thanks Soho Scarlett. I will have to try and see you sometime this month. Might be a long queue i suspect. X

[Fuzzyduck]

I've not been to this thread for a few days so it's interesting how it's developed.

Many thanks for backing me up. My motivation has always been to improve things for both punters and SP's.

Whilst I might entertain the notion (I stress might, since I firmly believe that you must be quite selfish to punt in the first place) that expeller's intentions were honourable, talking to an SP about UKP and forwarding reviews is a line that I don't think punters should cross. An absolute no-no.

One thing that wasn't really talked about is how the punter-SP dynamic works the other way. Punters who willingly tell SPs about goings on here have the potential to be manipulated if they are seeking to win favour in some way. These might not be financial benefits, just knowing that they are one the SPs golden boys. Fanboy vermin in my book. I'm not suggesting this is the case here, but engaging with an SP about things that aren't a punt for yourself can lead to this.

[Jerk Chicken]

I've not been to this thread for a few days so it's interesting how it's developed.

Whilst I might entertain the notion (I stress might, since I firmly believe that you must be quite selfish to punt in the first place) that expeller's intentions were honourable, talking to an SP about UKP and forwarding reviews is a line that I don't think punters should cross. An absolute no-no.

One thing that wasn't really talked about is how the punter-SP dynamic works the other way. Punters who willingly tell SPs about goings on here have the potential to be manipulated if they are seeking to win favour in some way. These might not be financial benefits, just knowing that they are one the SPs golden boys. Fanboy vermin in my book. I'm not suggesting this is the case here, but engaging with an SP about things that aren't a punt for yourself can lead to this.

If you scroll back to one of my posts I have said exactly this.

Sorry Bro I think you are being way to kind. To me showing SPs reviews or even discussing during a punt has seedy intentions.

[PatMacGroin]

I'm getting the impression Expeller is one of those guys that tries to curry favour with WG's. Running to gossip with them about the latest discussion on UKP/UKE. Hoping to build up some sort of "relationship" with them, but actually coming off as a bit creepy. If that's the case a lot of WG's will be happy to encourage that if it means repeat business.

A little bit manipulative? Maybe. A whole lot of pathetic? More likely.

[Fuzzyduck]

If you scroll back to one of my posts I have said exactly this.

Sorry Bro I think you are being way to kind. To me showing SPs reviews or even discussing during a punt has seedy intentions.

My point was around the active manipulation by the SP. Some SPs deliberately seek to build these kinds of relationships so weak-minded punters are just stumbling into the spider's lair by reaching out to them with their good intentions.

I hear you about seedy intentions and we're on the same page. Too kind? Perhaps, but I prefer open-minded since it's not quite black/white: I've met an incredible number of naive people who have good intentions and no vision of a bigger picture. The only way to eliminate any grey areas is to just not discuss UKP or reviews with SPs. End of.

[Jerk Chicken]

My point was around the active manipulation by the SP. Some SPs deliberately seek to build these kinds of relationships so weak-minded punters are just stumbling into the spider's lair by reaching out to them with their good intentions.

I hear you about seedy intentions and we're on the same page. Too kind? Perhaps, but I prefer open-minded since it's not quite black/white: I've met an incredible number of naive people who have good intentions and no vision of a bigger picture. The only way to eliminate any grey areas is to just not discuss UKP or reviews with SPs. End of.

I am one of those punters who has been on the end of @expeller type  "discussions" with SPs. Banned by one and had a few choice words by text with another calling forum members all sorts of not allowed type names! The whole irony of the exchange I gave one of them a positive ah well

[unus669]

I am one of those punters who has been on the end of @expeller type  "discussions" with SPs. Banned by one and had a few choice words by text with another calling forum members all sorts of not allowed type names! The whole irony of the exchange I gave one of them a positive ah well

Personally, what expeller does with these WGs is completely wrong, whatever he claims his intention is. I wonder if a WG would tell him, what is being said about him, on a WG forum. I don’t care how expeller dresses his actions up, it’s dross.