Lot of massage reviews

[Gordon Bennett]

Maybe it's a coincidence but it seems that a fair old proportion of recent NW reviews are for massage type bookings. Nothing wrong with that - I'm just making an observation and wondering if it's indicative of an increased number of chaps being unwilling to fork out on the price of a "full service" booking?
I'm certainly beginning to feel that £50ish on a 30 min rub&tug is a more sensible approach for me personally and my previous approach of seeking 1hr GFEs which routinely seem to cost £140+ nowadays just doesn't appeal so much.

[GingerNuts]

Coincidentally there's a similar thread for the WM.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=268048.0

[scutty brown]

I think its a consequence of several factors.
There are fewer EE girls on AW and punters are less likely to trust the EE profiles on VS.
The bad standards of the EE gypsies are finally starting to kick in.
The number of Thai shops is increasing - for instance Morecambe has gained six in two years (though not all service punters), previously there were none.
Possibly the most important: the Chinese are pushing out from the major cities and opening more and more places, both overt and covert. For instance two dodgy shops in Accrington (of all places why fucking Accrington). Some of the Chinese places are massage / HE only, others FS under the counter. We maybe haven't seen the full extreme of the Chinese expansion in the NW yet, but in other parts of the country its become a severe trafficking problem for the police

Take both Gumtree and Vivastreet: two years ago the massage offers on both (as opposed to escorting offers) were empty for Lancashire, both are now well into double figures

[Clitheroelad]

Nowt wrong with Accy ! 

[Thephoenix]

Maybe it's a coincidence but it seems that a fair old proportion of recent NW reviews are for massage type bookings. Nothing wrong with that - I'm just making an observation and wondering if it's indicative of an increased number of chaps being unwilling to fork out on the price of a "full service" booking?
I'm certainly beginning to feel that £50ish on a 30 min rub&tug is a more sensible approach for me personally and my previous approach of seeking 1hr GFEs which routinely seem to cost £140+ nowadays just doesn't appeal so much.

Maybe it's because as more punters on this forum get older,  and come to terms with their diminishing energy and performance levels, they tend to prefer the more relaxing and less demanding massage with HE.
Sometimes the pressure to 'perform' in full service can result in loss of erection and/or difficulty in climaxing.

That's true in my case, plus gradually realising that erections and condoms don't mix very well.

For me, it's got nothing to do with money, although of course I'm glad I don't need to spend any more than I need to.

[standardpostage]

Maybe it's because as more punters on this forum get older,  and come to terms with their diminishing energy and performance levels, they tend to prefer the more relaxing and less demanding massage with HE.
Sometimes the pressure to 'perform' in full service can result in loss of erection and/or difficulty in climaxing.

That's true in my case, plus gradually realising that erections and condoms don't mix very well.

For me, it's got nothing to do with money, although of course I'm glad I don't need to spend any more than I need to.

True for me, it's an age thing.

[Licking Lizard]

Maybe it's a coincidence but it seems that a fair old proportion of recent NW reviews are for massage type bookings. Nothing wrong with that - I'm just making an observation and wondering if it's indicative of an increased number of chaps being unwilling to fork out on the price of a "full service" booking?
I'm certainly beginning to feel that £50ish on a 30 min rub&tug is a more sensible approach for me personally and my previous approach of seeking 1hr GFEs which routinely seem to cost £140+ nowadays just doesn't appeal so much.

I'm going to make a bold presumption here but I'm presuming £140+ is well out of most of our leagues which will reflect in the review count. 

You're more in control and less likely to get ripped off having a rub and tug massage.   So I suppose consistency combined with expectation and value for money (if there is one in this game) is the answer.

That said, £50 is still enough to plough your oats for 30 minutes with a lot of girls.

[katmandu]

I remember the old parlour days when the first question they always asked was "do you want to start with me giving you a nice massage"?
The answer from me was always "no I would prefer to proceed to the main course of you sucking me off and then fucking you in as many positions as our short time allows".
I just don't have the energy these days.

[Twotall]

I think it helps that you can gauge what you want to spend during the massage. If the girl doesn’t do it for you then you can opt for a £20 HJ but if she does then you can determine what to go for and how much you think it’s worth paying.

If they’re really good they’ll get you worked up enough that you want to see what else they can do on the turn.

I’ve walked into punts in the past and paid £60 for 30 minute FS and walked away wishing I’d not bothered so it can be a false economy. Those vivastreet days are over now since I found UKP and learned a bit more about what to avoid.

[Thephoenix]

Maybe it's because as more punters on this forum get older,  and come to terms with their diminishing energy and performance levels, they tend to prefer the more relaxing and less demanding massage with HE.
Sometimes the pressure to 'perform' in full service can result in loss of erection and/or difficulty in climaxing.

That's true in my case, plus gradually realising that erections and condoms don't mix very well.

For me, it's got nothing to do with money, although of course I'm glad I don't need to spend any more than I need to.

Forgot to add that I don't need to use my phone or fart around with appointments, poor coms, dodgy venues, or cancellations etc.

[JRWK]

Maybe it's because as more punters on this forum get older,  and come to terms with their diminishing energy and performance levels, they tend to prefer the more relaxing and less demanding massage with HE.
Sometimes the pressure to 'perform' in full service can result in loss of erection and/or difficulty in climaxing.

That's true in my case, plus gradually realising that erections and condoms don't mix very well.

For me, it's got nothing to do with money, although of course I'm glad I don't need to spend any more than I need to.

You're right about the age/erection/condom thing.

My approach these days is to just ask for a good GFE, penetration being a maybe. 
That way no pressure at all, just enjoy a good 'pampering' and then if you feel up to it then go for it.

[JRWK]

Possibly the most important: the Chinese are pushing out from the major cities and opening more and more places, both overt and covert. For instance two dodgy shops in Accrington (of all places why fucking Accrington). Some of the Chinese places are massage / HE only, others FS under the counter. We maybe haven't seen the full extreme of the Chinese expansion in the NW yet, but in other parts of the country its become a severe trafficking problem for the police

Take both Gumtree and Vivastreet: two years ago the massage offers on both (as opposed to escorting offers) were empty for Lancashire, both are now well into double figures

VS best avoided 9 times out of 10 I agree.

There are 2 Chinese massage places in Liverpool, Sakura and Pink Peony, both give exceptional value (mostly), I don't think trafficking comes into it in these places, not involuntary anyway.

They are far better than, and less expensive, any Thai place I've been to - unless of course you're looking for the younger versions in which case you take your chance.

At last count 8 (or is it 9) Thai places in Southport, in almost everyone, you'd be asked at least £80 for B2B. 
And half the time never worth it

[Silva21]

I maybe fancy trying a massage. There's a girl in Blackburn (reviewed twice) who gives a cracking suck and swallow. It's just easier to visit her most of the time - her Blackfriday offer was a suck and swallow for a tenner!!! A TENNER!!

There was a massage place I saw a couple of months back in Manchester where the girl would rim you too - can't recall who it was which is disappointing because I'd like to visit her.
She was an English girl, trained masseuse and physio if I recall.

[Steve McQueen]

That sounds like The Kinky Masseuse External Link/Members Only . Think she is on AW as well. Never seen her so cant comment on service or standards. SM

[Silva21]

That sounds like The Kinky Masseuse External Link/Members Only . Think she is on AW as well. Never seen her so cant comment on service or standards. SM

Bingo! That's her!
Definitely booking in for some relaxing rimming and edging.

Appreciate that pal!

[Goldfinch]

Think she is on AW as well.

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

[MajorPayne]

External Link/Members Only or External Link/Members Only

She looks good.

One Hour (Express) Kinky Massage Session  = £100 (Manchester) £150 (Belfast)
This session includes an assisted shower, full-body sensual massage, body to body massage with full-body slide, Happy ending including rimming, prostate massage, oral & hand relief. Please note due to time constraints I may have to miss part of your full-body massage out to assure you receive the full-body slide.  Alternatively you can choose to pass on the full-body slide. If that is the case please let me know at the start of the session.

[MajorPayne]

Maybe it's a coincidence but it seems that a fair old proportion of recent NW reviews are for massage type bookings. Nothing wrong with that - I'm just making an observation and wondering if it's indicative of an increased number of chaps being unwilling to fork out on the price of a "full service" booking?
I'm certainly beginning to feel that £50ish on a 30 min rub&tug is a more sensible approach for me personally and my previous approach of seeking 1hr GFEs which routinely seem to cost £140+ nowadays just doesn't appeal so much.

If you shop around FS for £60ish for 30 minutes is still achievable making a £50 rub & tug look expensive in comparison.

[Silva21]

She looks good.

One Hour (Express) Kinky Massage Session  = £100 (Manchester) £150 (Belfast)
This session includes an assisted shower, full-body sensual massage, body to body massage with full-body slide, Happy ending including rimming, prostate massage, oral & hand relief. Please note due to time constraints I may have to miss part of your full-body massage out to assure you receive the full-body slide.  Alternatively you can choose to pass on the full-body slide. If that is the case please let me know at the start of the session.

Yeah, that's what I thought.
I just want to lie there and be lazy and have someone rim, suck and edge me for an hour plus.
She sounds ideal.

[ProtocolDroid]

I've found myself gravitating to more and more to HE/B2B massages as well over the past 2 years.

For me it's partly due to multiple disappointments with FS girls not being hot enough to really get me interested, usually because they're less slim/pretty/young/all of the above than advertised. With massages my beauty standards are lower, and even if the HJ is crap I'm less annoyed at the end because I've spent a more modest amount.

The other factor for me is the risk of STDs. I've not done OWO for quite some time for this reason, which is a big loss, and although I've never had a condom split on me (apart from once or twice with a civvie) I'm somehow a bit more worried about the risk of this happening than I used to be.

That said, I'll still fork out for a real stunner, but they're just hard to find. Post-Brexit I expect things to get even worse.

[fisherofsouls]

I've found myself gravitating to more and more to HE/B2B massages as well over the past 2 years.

For me it's partly due to multiple disappointments with FS girls not being hot enough to really get me interested, usually because they're less slim/pretty/young/all of the above than advertised. With massages my beauty standards are lower, and even if the HJ is crap I'm less annoyed at the end because I've spent a more modest amount.

The other factor for me is the risk of STDs. I've not done OWO for quite some time for this reason, which is a big loss, and although I've never had a condom split on me (apart from once or twice with a civvie) I'm somehow a bit more worried about the risk of this happening than I used to be.

That said, I'll still fork out for a real stunner, but they're just hard to find. Post-Brexit I expect things to get even worse.

OMG this x 1000 !!!

I have been totally spoiled over the last few years by having genuinely hot 18-year olds in Mexico and SE Asia at bargain rates... I haven't been properly turned on by a sex worker in the UK for ages
.

[ProtocolDroid]

OMG this x 1000 !!!

I have been totally spoiled over the last few years by having genuinely hot 18-year olds in Mexico and SE Asia at bargain rates... I haven't been properly turned on by a sex worker in the UK for ages
.

I've had some excellent times in SE Asia too. Going to China soon but what I've read doesn't make me expect that to be a punting paradise.

Physically and facially, I actually prefer Latinas to Asian girls so what you say about Mexico has me thinking I really need to find a way to spend some time there...

[Clitheroelad]

Any recommendations for a good b2b and he in Manchester city centre ? Which Thai places in Chinatown are best ?

[sir wanksalot]

Maybe it's a coincidence but it seems that a fair old proportion of recent NW reviews are for massage type bookings. Nothing wrong with that - I'm just making an observation and wondering if it's indicative of an increased number of chaps being unwilling to fork out on the price of a "full service" booking?
I'm certainly beginning to feel that £50ish on a 30 min rub&tug is a more sensible approach for me personally and my previous approach of seeking 1hr GFEs which routinely seem to cost £140+ nowadays just doesn't appeal so much.

I think the "scene" has changed dramatically since the parlour network closed down. In those days we were spoilt for choice, mature women, MILFs, young twenty-somethings many of whom would provide a fantastic service.

The young twenty-somethings don't feature on AW that much and when they occasionally pop up then it isn't for long.

For the rest there are not that many regular advertisers and those that remain are ageing.

So yes, I can see why people are going down the massage route. At least with a massage there is always the chance of a bonus in your service rather than paying for a full service up front and then being disappointed when the service doesn't quite live upto expectations

[ProtocolDroid]

I think the "scene" has changed dramatically since the parlour network closed down. In those days we were spoilt for choice, mature women, MILFs, young twenty-somethings many of whom would provide a fantastic service.

The young twenty-somethings don't feature on AW that much and when they occasionally pop up then it isn't for long.

For the rest there are not that many regular advertisers and those that remain are ageing.

If by the "parlour network" you mean Sandy's then I agree: a real loss. There were some girls there who I thought were genuinely FAF, such as Crystal. Unfortunately I discovered it quite late and because work is usually very busy I only got to enjoy a handful of punts in there.

For my money GFE Bury is second best, but I've never seen a girl as hot as the likes of Crystal there. It's been quite a while since I paid them a visit, though; perhaps I ought to check their rota soon.

I also wonder whether some of the fit young girls go on SA these days rather than AW...

[sir wanksalot]

If by the "parlour network" you mean Sandy's then I agree: a real loss. .

No. I mean network!  You must have come to the party late as Sandy's wasn't the only place where you could have a quality punt. There were loads of them. It's just that Sandy's was the one that marketed itself more aggressively.

[Bustydusty]

Any recommendations for a good b2b and he in Manchester city centre ? Which Thai places in Chinatown are best ?

Sofia in Middleton (recently moved from ashton ) is good - great titwank

Sorry didn’t notice city centre 

[ProtocolDroid]

No. I mean network!  You must have come to the party late as Sandy's wasn't the only place where you could have a quality punt. There were loads of them. It's just that Sandy's was the one that marketed itself more aggressively.

Ouch. Born too late I guess and/or too much of a good boy for too long... (Have made up for that at least partly by now  )

[Doc Holliday]

No. I mean network!  You must have come to the party late as Sandy's wasn't the only place where you could have a quality punt. There were loads of them. It's just that Sandy's was the one that marketed itself more aggressively.

If you take my home turf Preston as an example ... circa 2005 (the internet "boom years") a number of new parlours hit the scene including Dianas, Jennas, Elite, Angels, Louises Secrets, VIP. Only the latter survives. To my knowledge all closed predominantly for commercial reasons?

[sir wanksalot]

To my knowledge all closed predominantly for commercial reasons?

I would doubt they closed for commercial reasons. These places were cash cows.

I think it was down to a change of policy from the police who had previously turned a blind eye to these establishments. Also, some of the parlours were probably being a little naughty with their tax affairs or dabbled in some other illegal activities.

[Doc Holliday]

I think it was down to a change of policy from the police who had previously turned a blind eye to these establishments.

Nope.

[scutty brown]

If you take my home turf Preston as an example ... circa 2005 (the internet "boom years") a number of new parlours hit the scene including Dianas, Jennas, Elite, Angels, Louises Secrets, VIP. Only the latter survives. To my knowledge all closed predominantly for commercial reasons?

From memory 2005 coincided with a police campaign to get girls off the streets in Preston. It seemed to work and I suspect a lot of those opened as a result as the girls moved indoors.
To a large extent that type of girl has moved on / retired and much of the slack was taken up by the Poles who worked in their own pop-ups. The english parlours just withered and died - or in the case of Angels mutated into a different service, opening Body Serenity

[Doc Holliday]

From memory 2005 coincided with a police campaign to get girls off the streets in Preston. It seemed to work and I suspect a lot of those opened as a result as the girls moved indoors.

Yes that’s right I recall there was a clampdown around then, but there was no influx of street girls into the aforementioned parlours.

The hassle of finding good reliable staff to service a limited and eventually declining number of punters, combined with landlord/lease problems and other commercial factors meant diminishing returns. Then there was the Manchester competition which was always huge. Then came the growth of Adultwork and EE’s and the owners gradually had personal choices to make and just pulled out.

A couple left the industry altogether. Angel has always been something of a survivor, probably more by luck than judgement  and has indeed moved to the FBSM sector .... and of course another former parlour owner now works for her.

Happy days … never to return?

[Thecunninglinguist]

I completely agree about the age and massage thing. Since l discovered J&J in Stockport it's been my go to. Penetration is not really my thing these day but all the girls give a good enough GFE experience for me. The only thing missing (up to now at least) is CIM. Although for a warm, friendly and fun hour for £80 almost guaranteed, rather than a hit and miss WG, it's good value l think? Other equally good providers are available l guess but this suits me.