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Offline Sadgit

punting is by it's nature a solitary pastime, how do you suggest we get 100% of punters all together to  make this work,

Are you asking me ??
If so why ask me....

Im only highlighting the PRINCIPLE as explained numerous times 
Never offered to spearhead operation PUNT  :D

But imho you dont need 100% of the punters to make it work.

 

Offline wristjob

Sadgit, I appreciate your economic principle, but isn't the market already setting the price, not some notional cartel of escorts/ agencies?


Well that;s the thing isn't it. I would guess there's no one agency in the UK that controls even 0.1% of the UK market. It's 80% independents all working for themselves, charging what they can relative to others.

I love this talk of all these economics principles. I'd love to know what they are 9other than a clueless man's "supply and demand") but if the market isn't adhering to the principles then clearly the principles are wrong. Not like economists do a great job on the whole is it.

Offline Sadgit

Sadgit

I see you avoided my point about the fact that demand is more in elastic than elastic and how that combined with supply which is currently more elastic than in elastic.

I indeed did avoid your question as I dont feel any obligation what sover to answer every question.
PED if i remember rightly refers to the reactive relationship between price and demand (feel free to correct me if Im wrong as I dont claim to be an economist) PED is used to measure responsiveness of a service or goods in a change to its price.

inelastic goods and services refer to items that changes in prices have relatively small effect on the quantity of goods demanded.
elastic goods are the opposite.

I think WG's are elastic as I believe a drop in price would result in a increase in demand.
If Punts went down to £10 do you not think existing punters would punt more and thos that have never punted might consider it for £10.00

...my point about the fact that demand is more in elastic than elastic..

..... Is that a FACT or an opinion in the market in question.





Offline Sadgit

Sadgit, I appreciate your economic principle, but isn't the market already setting the price, not some notional cartel of escorts/ agencies?

Unfortunately I don't think you will ever be able to form a cartel of punters, so the only mechanism for the market to lower the average strike price is for supply to exceed demand for sufficient time to overcome any price stickiness. More perfect price information for consumers will always help speed the process, this site exists for that purpose as we help each other find the best value for our money.

Interesting subject, thanks for raising it!  :drinks:

Thanks for a direct post that addressed the principle without the need to for personal attack.
Appreciated
Unfortunately I don't think you will ever be able to form a cartel of punters

I would agree with above and quite frankly it was never something I set out to do.
Somehow one person suggested it and everyone else just took the ball and ran without ever looking at my original position.

I said sites like this may be able to have some influence on the market, and whats the harm in trying, it would take support from admin etc.
All these comments where made in debate of how something like this could in theory work.

Someone got confused with terms such as in theory and in principle and thought I was proposing to actually spearhead this movement.
Cmon on now...be real.

I'd rather pay £150 than waste time changing the industry.

 :cool:

Offline smiths

As you two seem to be lacking the identical braincells I'll address both you comments in the same post

Explain to me how my economic argument is flawed please.
Whilst doing so please pay attention that the economic argument I am presenting is NOT my argument.Its is a  based of the basic laws applied in economics taught to economist throughout the world.
If you or your scholar  SMITHS have managed to rebuke this theory and find a flaw in it then we are wasting our time here.
Somebody better get on the phone to the FT or Economist news paper and let them know a member of a UK Punting has crashed your theories that has taken hundreds of years for you to develop.

Oh is this the answer your looking for that I posted ages ago ?
Really sorry but your answer is there and I really dont know how to explain it in more simple terms that are clearly required for you to understand.


Seems that many but especially the both of you  cant grasp the concept of a PRINCPLE and seemed to have not done your home work.
Instead of reading what I actually said you took the replies from others and applied them to me, Unfortunately your sources made tiny mistakes and you built your whole argument on those mistakes and created one huge mistake for yourselves....nice job boys  :lol:

You need to understand although  a principle can be 100% correct  bringing that principle to fruition may not be realistic in reality for various reasons but that doesn't mean the principle is incorrect does it now ??

The road tax scenario someone gave is a perfect example.
In theory you could workout how many vehicles are in London and how many holding centers, car parks , staff, clamps, cost of administration etc are available to the government and come up with a theory that in PRINCIPLE if nobody paid the government couldn't administrate towing and storing all the vehicles.
In PRINCIPLE you would be correct and only an idiot (or maybe two) would try and disprove the PRINCIPLE.
The fact that some people may be happy to pay and others think its good value, or they can afford it etc, or it will never happen has SWEET FA to do with the PRINCIPLE…do you get it now.

 :dash: :dash: :dash:


I have always been putting forward the principle and used kindergarden level economics to try and explain this to you.
Its not my fault that the brain cell you both share couldn't workout I was putting forward a "economic principle" despite me repeatedly saying so.

Nobody has presented an economics answer to a economic problem.
Its a BUSINESS…its as simple as that a BUSINESS that can run on an unskilled workforce force, has no USP in an over crowded market paying staff far more than they could get TAX FREE in any other legitimate employment.

It works for one reason only…MEN think with their dicks so pay above the odds.
If they could control their dicks they could control the market.

It was the beginning of post 18 of this thread posted by you where you in reply to Harry say its £150 that i was talking about, i even mentioned it was post 18 previously.

Still no answer as to how ALL punters would be aware of any decision punters might make on here not to pay over a certain price, AND how anyone would know that ALL punters agreeing to any decision made didnt pay more but not admit doing so, as i said its not unknown that sometimes people lie, FACT.

This post like a number of your previous ones on this thread is just complete rubbish that doesnt address the central points i have made above. What you have been banging on about in this thread is pie in the sky fantasy, with the word IF punters stuck together as its premise, punters dont ALL stick together though as some have their own views on things, and thats of course not including those punters not even aware of this site. Complete and total fantasy in reality.


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Offline hendrix

This £150....does it include anal, rimming, facial, face fucking and swallow?

Offline Iulia_P

I indeed did avoid your question as I dont feel any obligation what sover to answer every question.
PED if i remember rightly refers to the reactive relationship between price and demand (feel free to correct me if Im wrong as I dont claim to be an economist) PED is used to measure responsiveness of a service or goods in a change to its price.

inelastic goods and services refer to items that changes in prices have relatively small effect on the quantity of goods demanded.
elastic goods are the opposite.

I think WG's are elastic as I believe a drop in price would result in a increase in demand.
If Punts went down to £10 do you not think existing punters would punt more and thos that have never punted might consider it for £10.00

..... Is that a FACT or an opinion in the market in question.

Prices charged by WGs are in my view inelastic : A punter will only pay to see a woman he couldn't see without making direct payment; as distinct from indirect payment such as marriage. A punter won't choose a WG to see who is the same or less attractive than his wife. If he has less money,  he’ll see desired WGs less frequently.

Offline Sadgit

It was the beginning of post 18 of this thread posted by you where you in reply to Harry say its £150 that i was talking about, i even mentioned it was post 18 previously.

SMITHS I have no cllue to what your talking about.
What is your question ... ??

State your question and its relevance and I will answer...unless of course it has no relevance.
In that case Ill just explain why it has no relevance ok.

I believe I have already answered this but for clarity post whatever it is that's causing you so much distress and I promise to answer.
If I have answered previously Ill just copy and paste the old answer with date and time of when it was first answered.

Do you want to back through the post just to check you didnt get carried away reading someone else post on what I apparently said  :D
« Last Edit: March 24, 2014, 08:25:02 PM by Sadgit »

Offline smiths

SMITHS I have no cllue to what your talking about.
What is your question ... ??

State your question and its relevance and I will answer...unless of course it has no relevance.
In that case Ill just explain why it has no relevance ok.

I believe I have already answered this but for clarity post whatever it is that's causing you so much distress and I promise to answer.
If I have answered previously Ill just copy and paste the old answer with date and time of when it was first answered.

Do you want to back through the post just to check you didnt get carried away reading someone else post on what I apparently said  :D

I note you thanked VT for not personally attacking you but replied to me about lacking brain cells, your a real piece of work.

I have asked you to answer my questions consistently but you refuse to do so, up to you of course. The questions being how would ALL punters know those on here had agreed only to pay up to a certain amount to WGs and how it would be proven ALL had stuck to that. So lets see if you answer these questions now.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2014, 08:31:52 PM by smiths »


Offline vt

Thanks for a direct post that addressed the principle without the need to for personal attack.
Appreciated
I would agree with above and quite frankly it was never something I set out to do.
Somehow one person suggested it and everyone else just took the ball and ran without ever looking at my original position.

I said sites like this may be able to have some influence on the market, and whats the harm in trying, it would take support from admin etc.
All these comments where made in debate of how something like this could in theory work.

Someone got confused with terms such as in theory and in principle and thought I was proposing to actually spearhead this movement.
Cmon on now...be real.

I'd rather pay £150 than waste time changing the industry.

 :cool:

I agree, this site could help in 2 ways, the first is already operating, the second may have legs:

1. It provides more perfect price information, by punter reviewers pointing out that good service is available at lower pricepoints, driving demand to where there is value and away from where there isn't. Before punter review sites like this existed, punters had very imperfect information, mostly just from their own trial & error experience and poor value could thrive.

2. To organise a buyer's strike to force a price reduction would take a lot of organisation and cooperation. Sites like Groupon do operate on a similar principle by bringing together buyers and bartering a discount. Due to the personal & individual nature of the punting service, I suspect this would be difficult to implement.
« Last Edit: March 24, 2014, 08:45:12 PM by vt »

Its a BUSINESS…its as simple as that a BUSINESS that can run on an unskilled workforce force, has no USP in an over crowded market paying staff far more than they could get TAX FREE in any other legitimate employment.


I don't agree that the workforce is unskilled or that the business has no USP.  Every WG's USP is herself: whether it's her age (younger or older), ethnicity, body shape, services offered or just her plain old beauty.  It might be the profile photos that tempt you to her front door in the first place, and there are a lot of good-looking escorts out there, but it's a lady's unique personality and attitude that keep you coming back rather than seeing another girl instead!

In my opinion.   

2. To organise a buyer's strike to force a price reduction would take a lot of organisation and cooperation. Sites like Groupon do operate on a similar principle by bringing together buyers and bartering a discount. Due to the personal & individual nature of the punting service, I suspect this would be difficult to implement.

Yep   :lol:

It might work if you're organising a group outing to a European brothel though    :)

Offline Sadgit

Prices charged by WGs are in my view inelastic : A punter will only pay to see a woman he couldn't see without making direct payment; as distinct from indirect payment such as marriage. A punter won't choose a WG to see who is the same or less attractive than his wife. If he has less money,  he’ll see desired WGs less frequently.

If we agree that within Price Elasticity of Demand, the quantity demanded of a service has a responsive relationship related to it price.
Inelastic (no movement) relates to goods and service  that change in price have little to no effect on demand.

If we both agree on the above then its really a case of whether you believe the demand would remain the same regardless of price for a punt.

I believe demand would increase if the price dropped.
Punters would queuing up if £500 WGs dropped to £80.00 and many would stop punting if you couldnt get a punt for less than £500.00.

A relationship exist between price and demand so it is therefore elastic.

But your welcome to disagree.

Offline Sadgit

I note you thanked VT for not personally attacking you but replied to me about lacking brain cells, your a real piece of work.
You have repeatedly attacked me and my response has been based on that.
VT didnt...so yes that just demonstrates I reply as approached.
If your civil to me Im happy to return the curtsey

I have asked you to answer my questions consistently but you refuse to do so, up to you of course. The questions being how would ALL punters know those on here had agreed only to pay up to a certain amount to WGs and how it would be proven ALL had stuck to that. So lets see if you answer these questions now.

I said to you in my last post.....STATE YOUR QUESTION.
Go back and read the last post I made to you before going further.

Im sure your not reading everything.

Offline smiths

You have repeatedly attacked me and my response has been based on that.
VT didnt...so yes that just demonstrates I reply as approached.
If your civil to me Im happy to return the curtsey

I said to you in my last post.....STATE YOUR QUESTION.
Go back and read the last post I made to you before going further.

Im sure your not reading everything.

I have stated my questions time and time again. How would ALL punters know those on here had ALL agreed to paying a maximum price to WGs and no more than that? AND how would it be proved ALL on here would stick to that and not pay more if they decided to?
« Last Edit: March 24, 2014, 09:14:35 PM by smiths »

Offline Sadgit

I don't agree that the workforce is unskilled or that the business has no USP.  Every WG's USP is herself: whether it's her age (younger or older), ethnicity, body shape, services offered or just her plain old beauty.  It might be the profile photos that tempt you to her front door in the first place, and there are a lot of good-looking escorts out there, but it's a lady's unique personality and attitude that keep you coming back rather than seeing another girl instead!

In my opinion.

Every girl is unique but not to the point hat it makes that much difference to a punter.
Yes every girl looks different but you could easily find a replacement if she was busy...

Im sure on any given day you would shag at least 50% of the 1000's of working girls available, when there are 1000's of girls that can replace you your not unique.
It not a USP.

Offline smiths

Every girl is unique but not to the point hat it makes that much difference to a punter.
Yes every girl looks different but you could easily find a replacement if she was busy...

Im sure on any given day you would shag at least 50% of the 1000's of working girls available, when there are 1000's of girls that can replace you your not unique.
It not a USP.

Absolute rubbish, i walked out of a party provider in 2008 because they didnt have the WG advertised on the rota that i wanted to punt with. Some of us wish to punt with specific WGs, for example those that want to punt with a specific pornstar WG because they particularly fancy HER. I have been bait and switched but didnt stay to punt with the switch as she wasnt the WG whose pictures i saw when i booked.

I see you actually think you can speak for other punters, "not to the point where it makes that much difference to the punter". How do you know thats true, in reality you dont, your guessing thats how punters think.

Every girl is unique but not to the point hat it makes that much difference to a punter.

Speak for yourself.


Yes every girl looks different but you could easily find a replacement if she was busy...

It isn't solely about looks and although I agree you could organise an alternate booking, it doesn't necessarily follow that the "replacement" lady would be of equal value (and I don't mean in a monetary sense) to you as your first choice.

Again, in my opinion.  Punters are unique(ish) too   :hi:


Offline hendrix

Every girl is unique but not to the point hat it makes that much difference to a punter.
Yes every girl looks different but you could easily find a replacement if she was busy...

Im sure on any given day you would shag at least 50% of the 1000's of working girls available, when there are 1000's of girls that can replace you your not unique.
It not a USP.

Wrong. It makes a huge difference because of the services offered. Or, do you think a "shag" i.e penetrative vaginal sexual intercourse is all that a punt is?  :)

Offline vorian

Every girl is unique but not to the point that it makes that much difference to a punter.

Sorry I have to disagree with that statement,  makes a massive difference to me personally.
Banning reason: Two faced - Slagging off UKP and it's membership using fake account

Offline Iulia_P

If we agree that within Price Elasticity of Demand, the quantity demanded of a service has a responsive relationship related to it price.
Inelastic (no movement) relates to goods and service  that change in price have little to no effect on demand.

If we both agree on the above then its really a case of whether you believe the demand would remain the same regardless of price for a punt.

I believe demand would increase if the price dropped.
Punters would queuing up if £500 WGs dropped to £80.00 and many would stop punting if you couldnt get a punt for less than £500.00.

A relationship exist between price and demand so it is therefore elastic.

But your welcome to disagree.

Your points are well taken! The bigger  the price, the less frequently the punter would see the woman,  all else being equal - so yes, demand would fall.

Offline Sadgit

Wrong. It makes a huge difference because of the services offered. Or, do you think a "shag" i.e penetrative vaginal sexual intercourse is all that a punt is?  :)

So are you saying you only punt with one WG's no other interest you or could replace her ?? You wouldnt punt with any other girl ??
If she packed in the game your punting days would stop ??

Have you fallen in love with a BRASS

Would have thought most punters on here may have their type, whether it be Asian, Big boobs, Chubby, FAT long legs...whatever but they arent sold on one girl only and would punt with as many girls that they fancy and can afford.

You might be different...who knows


The uniqueness has to be applied to how it effects the

Every girl is unique but not to the point hat it makes that much difference to a punter.
Yes every girl looks different but you could easily find a replacement if she was busy...

Im sure on any given day you would shag at least 50% of the 1000's of working girls available, when there are 1000's of girls that can replace you your not unique.
It not a USP.

Sorry I have to disagree with that statement,  makes a massive difference to me personally.

And me.  That's why an appointment with, e.g., one Milf goes well for me while another one goes down like a lead balloon.  There's got to be a bit of chemistry involved in all this.

Curious6705

Sorry but IMO, Sadgit - you are a TROLL aren't you?

I applaud other posters' patience and politeness in their responses to you. :drinks:


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