Got caught by undercover police

[Doc Holliday]

Blacklisted for what? Not giving out a clear address or is it her fault OP looked suspicious?
What has she done wrong?

It may be just coincidence that there may be some issues with this location, theft as suggested.

Precisely. He behaved suspiciously leading up to a successful punt. He got stopped and searched on his way out.

Now she potentially suffers because he has posted about it all in a very poor fashion on a punting forum.

[Moby Dick]

I'm pretty sure they will be real cops responding to a call from the receptionist who probably watched him enter the other building. It is always a lottery with the police and if someone is available at any given time they will respond to calls where a crime may be underway.

The problem is he calls them 'undercover' cops which immediately conjures up all sorts of scenarios. The reality is they would likely have been a plain clothes unit on patrol, which is common especially in large towns and cities.

As I said in my previous post his report to us of this incident is probably not entirely truthful. If they were real cops they will have followed the correct procedure and there will be a report. If he was cuffed without arrest he will have been seen as a threat.

Not sure why he wants to make us aware? He behaved suspiciously. He was reported. The Police spotted and questioned him. He reacted badly and was cuffed. The search found nothing suspicious and his ID checked out. He was sent on his way.

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OP should have asked for police ID / badge numbers and incident number.
He can make a formal complaint and ask why was he handcuffed and why was he misinformed about the legality of visiting prostitutes. BUT this could mean home visits by the police to his address, not good if he has partner/wife.

From what I have read he has not been arrested, cautioned, no rights were read, no charges made, so he needn’t worry about criminal record / job situation etc.
Just had his ID checked and probably cuffed as a precaution whilst they checked out his story - based on this thread, we should do the same so he can’t use a keyboard

[Jonestown]

Just had his ID checked and probably cuffed as a precaution whilst they checked out his story - based on this thread, we should do the same so he can’t use a keyboard

OP has a pretty solid UKP record (upto this point), he either got careless and seriously unlucky with real police, or got caught in a fake police scam, something that is quite common in certain EE counties that currently  enjoy open borders with Uk.

[Moby Dick]

Thread title is OTT

“Got caught by undercover police”

Caught?? Nah
Should be something like this:

“Stopped and asked to provide ID because I drew attention to myself for going to wrong hotel, what a plank”

Or maybe
“Cuffed for being a clueless cunt”

[winkywanky]

Yup. Thank you matey.

The aforementioned items are then recycled and sent to the house of commons. As members of Parliament.
(Not actually members but close)

That's not what I heard, I thought they made 'HP Sausages' out of them and served them at breakfast in the (heavily subsidised) canteen?

They eat bollocks for breakfast, which is why they talk bollocks all day  .

[InMefan]

I haven't heard anything back from the SP yet.

[winkywanky]

Been in a Soho walk up when Old bill / Border control people knocked ..the maid answaered the door then knocked on the room we were in the Maid, spoke with the Police Officer who I could hear as I quick as Superman put my clothes back on...

Do you mean you were in such a rush, you ended up with your underpants over your trousers? 

[dubs]

Handcuffing you and not ‘reading you your rights?’

Cops will do that if they believe you are a flight risk, or if they are at risk of physical attack.

[winkywanky]

As I said in my previous post his report to us of this incident is probably not entirely truthful. If they were real cops they will have followed the correct procedure and there will be a report. If he was cuffed without arrest he will have been seen as a threat.

Yes.

Either he was shooting his gob off, or the police noticed he was carrying a large, offensive weapon in his pocket...or perhaps he was just 'pleased to see them'? 

[finn5555]

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[winkywanky]

I have no doubt they were real coppers.

If they hadn't been, they would have taken 'evidence', like his watch, phone, money etc.

[Jeremy]

Assuming OP isn't just a billy bulshitter, there's definitely more to this story than we are being told. As others have speculated, most likely a fair bit more aggression on OP's side than he is letting on.

[finn5555]

I have no doubt they were real coppers.

If they hadn't been, they would have taken 'evidence', like his watch, phone, money etc.

Maybe his punting Nokia and cheap watch weren’t seen as vital evidence 

[winkywanky]

Small fry, not exactly Mr. Big, and the rozzers were probably just pissed off he'd ruined their nightshift tea break  .

[Moby Dick]

Hello I have posted this on UKE but no one there is taking it seriously and think I am making it up.
This is a warning for fellow punters and escorts to show more caution during punts, I still can't believe this happened to me today as I have never had any problems before. Right so to start off with I arranged a booking with an escort I haven't see before but have communicated with for a while and decided to meet today, agreed a time etc, it was in Birmingham. I park up in carpark, wait in my car then she gives me the room number after waiting a while. However at this stage it is unclear as to where exactly it is, I JUST ASSUME the road I am parked on it is one of them, so I enter this building which is a main reception and the woman receptionist see's me walking and asks can I help you and I just say I'm just seeing a friend and walk past, eventually I find the area the room should be and dial the number on the intercom, someone answers but it is a guys voice and I'm like ohh okay sorry must have the wrong number, I then walk back out and the receptionist again asked if everything was alright and I said yes so walked out, texting the girl and asked if the room is on what the name of the place was and she said no it's the road just opposite and gave me the name and details.

I was like *Sigh* would have helped if you mentioned that at the start but anyways arrived and had the punt, it all went fine, but then when walking out of the building I see a few guys and they stop me, I'm thinking ohhh dear are these guys pimps or some other dodgy guys, they are dressed kind of scruffy track suit bottoms, but they both hold up some ID indicating they are police, they start asking me a few questions like where did I go, who was I seeing etc, I was saying just a friend from work etc, then they knew I was looking nervous and lying and actually put handcuffs on me! started to search me then started asking questions like what my name is, date of birth, where I work etc, also took the items out of my jeans pocket and checked a few of my cards, they said there have been reports of me walking into some buildings and then walking out and into another it looked suspicious etc as someone thought I was stealing, they then could tell that I had seen an escort and admitted it as I was just desperate to get out of this situation. They were then checking to make sure the details I gave them matched up. They were then saying escorting is illegal, I was then like no prostitution is illegal, escorts are different people, prostitutes operate on the streets and that is illegal but they were saying no you're buying sex so it is illegal, I also unfortunately had no option but to give them the room number, they eventually let me go, I'm not sure what this will mean for me going forward, if I apply for other jobs for example and the organisations do a background check is this going to have a huge effect on me getting jobs? I also have no idea if the escort has gotten into trouble too! I feel really bad if that is the case.


If anyone does want more details pm me

Highlighted the problem.
Schoolboy error.
You have probably caused a lot of problems for other punters and WG wanting to use this location.
But at least you don’t have to worry about your job or criminal record.

[Moby Dick]

I haven't heard anything back from the SP yet.

To say what?



She ain’t going to thank you for drawing all this attention to her and her location.
I wouldn’t be surprised if you don’t get blocked.

All you had to do is text her for the building details, or phone her for directions.

[Xtro]

Yes.

Either he was shooting his gob off, or the police noticed he was carrying a large, offensive weapon in his pocket...or perhaps he was just 'pleased to see them'? 

We all like a man in uniform Mr. W.   

[winkywanky]

...a hot tranny in a basque   

[jammy273]

My initial reaction is some sort of fake police con... impersonating a police officer is illegal but a fake badge and plain clothes seems a good way to have plausible deniability. Find an area where escorts are working and put the screws on shifty looking blokes. You'll either get extortion money from the girls or bribes from the guys (after all they will be carrying cash).

If it is genuine police attention it could just be the police not knowing the law (wouldn't be the first time) or some sort of local bylaw. Drinking on the street is legal but I know people who live in areas where it isn't okay and you can get shipped away in the back of a van and fined for having an unsealed bottle of something in public. I doubt plain clothed officers would have been called to deal with a shifty looking bloke.

[Clitheroelad]

Did they arrest you before putting handcuffs on ? Did they take your personal details ? Buying sex isnt illegal, soliciting is. The whole story sounds bollocks to me.

[tynetunnel]

....had the punt, it all went fine....

I’m looking forward to your review OP 

[winkywanky]

I wonder if handcuffs were involved  .

[RandomGuy99]

There is always a fairly obvious police presence in the city centre of Birmingham especially by the railway station e.g. there is usually an armed response vehicle (black estate) sitting out the front of New Street station.  This time of year the security level increases with the Christmas markets being setup.  I suspect the OP's behaviour in the area attracted attention and that's why you got pulled.

I think New Street is also the headquarters of the transport police's own armed response unit.

It pays to do some preplanning before you arrive at the venue so if you arrive early you can wait somewhere that's away from the SP's premises and is discreet and doesn't draw attention from the neighbours.

[Happyjose]

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[The_Grinder]

Some times I do wonder why people on a forum that is meant to help our guys out go down the "confrontational" route.
Ok so you think it may not be the truth, just ask, you don't need to be a UKP gangster, even if you do have a small cock.

Anyway.....someone walking into a hotel, looking probably a bit nervous, walking out after a few minutes and then being watched and walking into another building, I'd hope someone on reception would report it and the police would act.
I doubt very much about the undercover bit, just plain clothes looking for the dealers etc, just a normal day in the city

[Doc Holliday]

He's clearly not going to answer any of the questions thrown at him so we are probably done here?

"Move along now sir ... nothing to see here"

[Jeremy]

Ok so you think it may not be the truth, just ask,

Lots of people have asked questions that OP has conveniently ignored.

[tintin100]

Not buying it, why would undercover cops deal with this that could lead to them being exposed. It doesn't make sense, I wouldn't let them handcuff unless they arrest me and I would want to know the charge.
 

[InMefan]

Maybe because I'm sick of the amount of stick and insults I'm getting so that's why I'm ignoring other questions people have asked. I thought I was doing the right thing by posting this and just giving people a warning to be more careful. If I knew I would get insults, accusations of lying I wouldn't have posted it.
If I was a newbie on here with o reviews and minimum posts I could understand people thinking it's a made up story but the fact I'm a reliable punter why the he'll would I make something up. It's ludicrous people insulting me!
I thought the purpose of this site was to help people out?
 The moment I do that I get 0 support, false accusations and abuse!

[Spencer Fobby]

Two pages of debating whether it’s the truth or not.... wow. If it’s true - so fucking what? Nothing to see here - no law broken, and the OP has maybe learned to plan a meet better. Maybe not.
If it isn’t true, then it’s a load of troll feeding and nothing gained by anyone. 
And this is why I’m joining in - so many people are so quick to call bullshit on posts for no reason except a bit of a mini dopamine hit from getting a response to their contribution to a thread. If you think it’s bullshit, why not just ignore the troll. Unless you’re also a troll...
Jeez...

[Moby Dick]

Not buying it, why would undercover cops deal with this that could lead to them being exposed. It doesn't make sense, I wouldn't let them handcuff unless they arrest me and I would want to know the charge.

I think OP means plain clothes, ie not in uniform.
If they were the police then receptionist reporting dodgy activity, maybe drugs, theft, or terrorism may get the police attention. He was searched on his way out, over an hour later perhaps, or maybe the police were investigating another “incident” and he matched their description, just coincidence.

If they weren’t the police then this would be more concerning for me as a punter.
In the OPs mind he believes they were police, but he has already demonstrated he doesn’t think clearly.

Being stopped and searched for being a numpty ain’t going to happen to punters on a daily basis.
Why he felt the need to post the WG profile 
Would have been better to post the location, or keep such details to PM

[Jeremy]

If I knew I would get insults, accusations of lying I wouldn't have posted it.

But you said you already received that on UKE, why wouldn't you expect it here too?

[winkywanky]

Yeah, pretty stupid really because I bet they're a lot fluffier over there than we are here  .

[The_Grinder]

Two pages of debating whether it’s the truth or not.... wow. If it’s true - so fucking what? Nothing to see here - no law broken, and the OP has maybe learned to plan a meet better. Maybe not.
If it isn’t true, then it’s a load of troll feeding and nothing gained by anyone. 
And this is why I’m joining in - so many people are so quick to call bullshit on posts for no reason except a bit of a mini dopamine hit from getting a response to their contribution to a thread. If you think it’s bullshit, why not just ignore the troll. Unless you’re also a troll...
Jeez...

 

[James999]

Total bullshit 

[James999]

I was then like no prostitution is illegal, escorts are different people, prostitutes operate on the streets and that is illegal but they were saying no you're buying sex so it is illegal,

Whats the difference between an "escort" and a prostitute 

[Moby Dick]

Whats the difference between an "escort" and a prostitute 

Dunno
 
is one more reliable than the other?

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[fisherofsouls]

I was out last night for a beer with a few coppers and told them OP's story (with details changed).  Their consensus view:

* OP flagged himself up for suspicious behaviour when he blagged his way into the first building
* Receptionist then no doubt put his details out over the local "keep an eye out for" net - most pubs, clubs, shops and hotels in bigger towns and cities  are now signed up to one of these
* There was a plainclothes patrol in the area and a sharp-eyed PC/DC spotted someone matching OP's description
* They detained him and asked for his details and he started trying to tell them the law
* He was either (a) a big, dangerous-looking fucker or (b) a little guy with a big mouth ... so they secured him
* They talked to him a bit more, got what they needed and concluded he was (a) not carrying semtex (b) no threat (c) a stupid little cunt
* They let him go

A perfectly routine night in any big city...

[Jonestown]

I was out last night for a beer with a few coppers and told them OP's story (with details changed).  Their consensus view:

Can we have the badge numbers of these coppers please, just so the cognoscenti know you’re not bullshitting ?

[GreyDave]

Dunno
 
is one more reliable than the other?

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Right the Escorts body will rust and the Prosey will give a sort of rust around the bellend 

 Cum shot Kirie copper

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[OakTree]

Dunno
 
is one more reliable than the other?

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Have you seen how much one of them goes for now?

[Moby Dick]

Have you seen how much one of them goes for now?

More than a prostitute?

[James]

just to add. this sp doesnt give full address on meets. ive been stood up whilst i booked to see her before. she says ring when your there. other reviews mention the same. full address not given.
the one guy that has seen her in his reviews can comment. he has a goid connection with her.
i believe the op as she was working this week and tge way her comms are with location.

maybe she's not involved but other people or gangs who know it's a resort area trying to take pics blackmail etc.
more risky this hobey

[fisherofsouls]

Can we have the badge numbers of these coppers please, just so the cognoscenti know you’re not bullshitting ?

23298 Francis
17712 Unsworth
30123 Cooper
13777 Kennedy
22483 Young
11397 Onslow
30231 Underwood

[mh]

Not buying it, why would undercover cops deal with this that could lead to them being exposed. It doesn't make sense, I wouldn't let them handcuff unless they arrest me and I would want to know the charge.

I think OP means plain clothes, ie not in uniform.
If they were the police then receptionist reporting dodgy activity, maybe drugs, theft, or terrorism may get the police attention. He was searched on his way out, over an hour later perhaps, or maybe the police were investigating another “incident” and he matched their description, just coincidence.

The OP was just unlucky. With reduced police numbers, the way policing works now is predominantly through intelligence-led policing and planned operations (or a combination of the two). In a planned operation the police put a plain clothes team on the ground in an area looking for anti-social behaviour, burglaries, distraction thefts, drug dealing or whatever it is this quarter. If someone calls in suspicious activity then the team on the ground can divert there quickly because at the end of the day they are looking for results to justify the operation.

So the OP aroused suspicion by walking into the wrong building then quickly out again, appearing evasive. It may have been reported so that when he reappeared later he was jumped on and eliminated once he had given a reasonable explanation for what he had been doing.

It will hardly be a surprise to them that someone was visiting an escort in her flat. And yes they are prone to spout bullshit to scare people when they have no intention of actually making an arrest (in which case they have to be very sure of the grounds).

[Urban_G]

Your story does have a ring of truth to it. It would make sense that someone in the other building phoned the police as they had seen you wandering about and you didn't give a very plausable reason for being there. (Don't think this had anything at all to do with the escort you saw).
The police can and do handcuff people in order to conduct a search on them (they are allowed to use reasonable force and handcuffing to prevent escape etc falls within this).
I can also believe the conversation as lots of people (police included) do not realise that paying for sex is totally legal.
I would say you've got nothing to worry about. You've done absolutely nothing wrong and there's no way anything would come up on any sort of checks, enhanced or otherwise. For that to happen you would have to be arrested and taken to the police station.
Just put it down to experience - and be more careful in future!

Agree with this. However, the part of the OP's post I don't get is when he says the cops could tell he had seen a wg so he admitted it. How could they tell or did he crack under pressure and blurt out the truth? For those that say how the cops will behave in a certain manner, they're not always known for operating within the law themselves.

And this is where I think it went wrong:

I park up in carpark, wait in my car then she gives me the room number after waiting a while. However at this stage it is unclear as to where exactly it is, I just assume the road I am parked on it is one of them, so I enter this building...

Never assume anything! Why on earth didn't you confirm exact address before arriving or at the very least before leaving the car? 

[Doc Holliday]

.. the part of the OP's post I don't get is when he says the cops could tell he had seen a wg so he admitted it. How could they tell

I suspect when they searched him they found the VAT receipt she gave him?

[m4rmite]

How could the cops know you had seen a wg when the OP hadn't even got to the wg's address yet.

Cops will try and bluff you into admitting things as it makes it easier if you confess. But confess to what? doing something perfectly legal?

Grow up and have a read of your actual rights when approached by the police.

[GingerNuts]

How could the cops know you had seen a wg when the OP hadn't even got to the wg's address yet.

It doesn't explain how the police knew what he was doing but he was stopped on leaving the second hotel after he'd seen the WG.

[Bogof60]

Dunno
 
is one more reliable than the other?

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As I remember the one in the upper picture was not as reliable as the one in the bottom