WG Putting Prices Up

[Vice Admiral]

until the world shuts down with no movement
it won't help
if we are all clear in the uk
as soon as we open up the borders
some one could come in from a country that is not clear
and it all starts again
lock down the world now

That reads almost like a poem, Bobby!

I bet it'll be on the GCSE syllabus when / if all this is over...

[Steely Dan]

Headline: Pricing is up in the SE ... by £11/hr.  Over the last 3 years. Now it is an average of £143/hr.  In May 2017 it was £132/hr.

So I had a little time on my hands, and updated the list of SE Escorts with 3 or more positive reviews.  Got rid of all the ones with dead profiles, or that seem to have moved away.  Updated pricing.  I may have missed a few clearly, but the same is true 3 years ago.  Then cut and paste into Excel and read the average.  I think this is a better number than all escorts on AW  - some may post silly high prices but never work at that price.  Or post a low price but be gone a week later, or be just in it for the picture gallery.  Clearly this excludes parlours.  But I suppose parlours influence pricing.  Anyway, an apples to apples comparison versus 3 years ago.

Might look at look at a few other regions later.  Time on my hands seems likely to carry on for a bit.  (Assistance welcome in case any of you have time on your hands too).

Data here
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[LLPunting]

Headline: Pricing is up in the SE ... by £11/hr.  Over the last 3 years. Now it is an average of £143/hr.  In May 2017 it was £132/hr.

So I had a little time on my hands, and updated the list of SE Escorts with 3 or more positive reviews.  Got rid of all the ones with dead profiles, or that seem to have moved away.  Updated pricing.  I may have missed a few clearly, but the same is true 3 years ago.  Then cut and paste into Excel and read the average.  I think this is a better number than all escorts on AW  - some may post silly high prices but never work at that price.  Or post a low price but be gone a week later, or be just in it for the picture gallery.  Clearly this excludes parlours.  But I suppose parlours influence pricing.  Anyway, an apples to apples comparison versus 3 years ago.

Might look at look at a few other regions later.  Time on my hands seems likely to carry on for a bit.  (Assistance welcome in case any of you have time on your hands too).

Data here
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Thanks SD, what are you using to scrape the data from AW?  PM me if it's a secret, at least from AW.   

[Home Alone]

One of the things that worries me; not that I'll be going over there any time soon - like for about 25 years - is what's going on in the Leeds' 'tolerance zone'. 

There''ll probably be countless silly - desperate - bitches offering 'services'; and nearly as many blokes desperate for a shag because they can't get any at home - that each of them'll run the risk of Coronavirus, not to mention all the 'routine' STDs on offer there

How sad.

[Steely Dan]

Thanks SD, what are you using to scrape the data from AW?  PM me if it's a secret, at least from AW.   

You have me confused with a computer person ... scrape is something that I try not to do to my knee.  I check the prices in AW by opening 2 windows, clicking the link and looking.  And if anything 'smells' wrong, I sometimes look at the UKP review. Took 10 or 15 minutes perhaps.  Spent longer on freezing doorsteps waiting for a text while trying not to look like stalker. Good times.

On reflection, maybe there is an easier way.  Old Admin had a way to get all the phone numbers from AW into the Wiki. Actually, quite clever.  I wonder if whatever he did for ph number would work for price....

[king tarzan]

One of the things that worries me; not that I'll be going over there any time soon - like for about 25 years - is what's going on in the Leeds' 'tolerance zone'. 

There''ll probably be countless silly - desperate - bitches offering 'services'; and nearly as many blokes desperate for a shag because they can't get any at home - that each of them'll run the risk of Coronavirus, not to mention all the 'routine' STDs on offer there

How sad.

videos of Beyonce Knowles and box of sainsburys basic tissues is not a cure, but a treatment at least..

[EnglishRebecca121]

Im actually gobsmacked some of the "better "girls who have been around a while are still offering meets atm !

[Coriniumstud]

With what’s going on in the world, surely their health should be more important than a few extra quid

[winkywanky]

They're (relatively) young and they think it won't affect them badly should they catch it.

Why should they care if they give it to anyone else?

I'm being a little harsh, many will be in financial hardship. But I think it's overwhelmingly because they're young and carefree (young, dumb and full of cum - hopefully in a condom of course).

[EnglishRebecca121]

They're (relatively) young and they think it won't affect them badly should they catch it.

Why should they care if they give it to anyone else?

I'm being a little harsh, many will be in financial hardship. But I think it's overwhelmingly because they're young and carefree (young, dumb and full of cum - hopefully in a condom of course).

some of them are not young just selfish fucking twats.

[winkywanky]

some of them are not young just selfish fucking twats.

Being young helps with that, although not necessarily the case of course.

[hermanmunster]

Im actually gobsmacked some of the "better "girls who have been around a while are still offering meets atm !

Exactly my point in a previous post
"The Russian "doctor " Gayana is still working and getting reviews on Diva. Obviously she's too stupid to realise that nobody will believe her doctor claims whilst she carries on working through these troubled times. Comical but also tragically pathetic.
Also incredibly irresponsible and selfish."


Also re pricing:
It will be interesting to see whether, when the CV problems are over, if the girls (a) drop the prices to tempt customers back, (b) increase prices to make up for their lost income, or (c) increase prices because there is a surge in demand.

We shall see.  I wouldn't be surprised to see wholesale increases.  There is arguable logic in (a) and (c), but I think as few exhibit the ownership of many brain cells, the result is likely to be (b) - I accept that 3rd party influence could also result in (b).


Keep well.

[davidgood]

A good bit of research by SD. The result is what I would have expected based on my casual monitoring of prices and what I have had to pay recently to get the services I want.

In the 2008 recession I found that a few savvy SPs. who had a basic knowledge of economics, dropped their prices and picked up careful, VFM seeking punters like me because we could all get out and about and enjoy ourselves.

The difference today is that the sensible savvy SPs know that they should not be working and dropping prices is not going to create more bookings.

When all of the CV crisis is over I forsee a hardening of prices. At best SPs will hold current prices but with a lot of foreign girls gone home and pent up demand from punters I can see prices rising to take advantage of the situation and to make up for the losses incurred during the stay at home period.

Regards,

davidgood

[king tarzan]

Exactly my point in a previous post
"The Russian "doctor " Gayana is still working and getting reviews on Diva. Obviously she's too stupid to realise that nobody will believe her doctor claims whilst she carries on working through these troubled times. Comical but also tragically pathetic.
Also incredibly irresponsible and selfish."


Also re pricing:
It will be interesting to see whether, when the CV problems are over, if the girls (a) drop the prices to tempt customers back, (b) increase prices to make up for their lost income, or (c) increase prices because there is a surge in demand.

We shall see.  I wouldn't be surprised to see wholesale increases.  There is arguable logic in (a) and (c), but I think as few exhibit the ownership of many brain cells, the result is likely to be (b) - I accept that 3rd party influence could also result in (b).


Keep well.

the sexy doctor really??
Maybe this is part of the treatment to cure her male patients
silly dumb bitch

[advent2016]

Caveat: I know AW is usually as unreliable and an unreliable untrustworthy thing

I'm not currently punting. When I can't check female statistics 26-24-34 I like compiling numerical statistics

Providers showing availability, in green on AW. Presumably if they actually pay the 2 quid they might be. I guess some PG scams may do this as well, or Sergei takes the hit.

today 27th March 2020

Showing available

London
CIM
83

total no likes  selected
245


Liking both types of BB and not other likes
44

Although some don't make sense e.g. 55 year old that has lactating ticked so probably fake.

 
From this I surmise for the BB's

• They don't know about CV
  they have had and recovered
  They have more serious problems (not sure what that might be)
  They are taking a chance

This doesn't explain the 245 non BB providers

[winkywanky]

Caveat: I know AW is usually as unreliable and an unreliable untrustworthy thing

I'm not currently punting. When I can't check female statistics 26-24-34 I like compiling numerical statistics

Providers showing availability, in green on AW. Presumably if they actually pay the 2 quid they might be. I guess some PG scams may do this as well, or Sergei takes the hit.

today 27th March 2020

Showing available

London
CIM
83

total no likes  selected
245


Liking both types of BB and not other likes
44

Although some don't make sense e.g. 55 year old that has lactating ticked so probably fake.

 
From this I surmise for the BB's

• They don't know about CV
  they have had and recovered
  They have more serious problems (not sure what that might be)
  They are taking a chance

This doesn't explain the 245 non BB providers

In terms of CV, I think CIM and BB are probably irrelevant.

The very fact of seeing a WG (especially as an incall) sets the level of risk of catching it.

CV isn't a sexually tramsmitted disease as such, you get it (or indeed give it) from being breathed and slobbered on, touched with hands, probably from unprotected oral either way, and from being in that persons gaff and touching door handles and surfaces. Also using the bathroom, towels etc.

So I don't see that either CIM or BB would elevate the risk?

[Steely Dan]

Caveat: I know AW is usually as unreliable and an unreliable untrustworthy thing

Data is neutral.  What you need is a comparison using the same search criteria a few months ago.  If you look around this site, I imagine you will find some examples searche.  Perhaps on the thread where we were trying to estimate the total number of escorts in the UK.  And perhaps give it a few more days until all the pre-purchased green lights are gone.

[advent2016]

Thanks Dan the Man

I have some  longterm AW stats or providers of certain services but not green lights.
I'm going to try and automate pulling the information down to keep my brain active.

[freeze44]

A good bit of research by SD. The result is what I would have expected based on my casual monitoring of prices and what I have had to pay recently to get the services I want.

In the 2008 recession I found that a few savvy SPs. who had a basic knowledge of economics, dropped their prices and picked up careful, VFM seeking punters like me because we could all get out and about and enjoy ourselves.

The difference today is that the sensible savvy SPs know that they should not be working and dropping prices is not going to create more bookings.

When all of the CV crisis is over I forsee a hardening of prices. At best SPs will hold current prices but with a lot of foreign girls gone home and pent up demand from punters I can see prices rising to take advantage of the situation and to make up for the losses incurred during the stay at home period.

Regards,

davidgood

Agree there will always be a demand for wg's but not sure I agree about a hardening of prices and pent up demand.

I have been very surprised about the amount of wg's still working and a number I thought would know/act better and will make me reconsider if/when/how I return to the game.

I would suggest with the rise of the internet and the likes of AW punting has become more and more popular and, in general, at least an illusion of better standards/services but think the current situation has and will change things for good and the market for punters will shrink for a number of reasons, which will impact upon prices.

[Malvolio]

Don't get your point - do you think there will be less WGs around after the virus situation blows over? 

Can't see the logic behind that.  There are likely to be more punters who get killed by the virus (in general, punters are older than WGs), and also some punters will have had the enforced break and then give up.

[freeze44]

Don't get your point - do you think there will be less WGs around after the virus situation blows over? 

Can't see the logic behind that.  There are likely to be more punters who get killed by the virus (in general, punters are older than WGs), and also some punters will have had the enforced break and then give up.

You mean my point in the previous post?

I think some wg's will move on as well but yes agree the number of punters will shrink as yes may give up, get ill, have less income and also be more careful who they see.

[Introvert]

So, looking forward as ever the optimist -

What’s going to happen when the lock down is removed?

Prices are lower to tempt the punters?

Or

Prices rocket due to the demand?

Hhmmmmm

[GingerNuts]

What do you think is going to happen?

[winkywanky]

Don't get your point - do you think there will be less WGs around after the virus situation blows over? 

Can't see the logic behind that.  There are likely to be more punters who get killed by the virus (in general, punters are older than WGs), and also some punters will have had the enforced break and then give up.

That rings true, but then the other thing to consider is that a WG sees perhaps 50 guys a month, whereas a punter might see one WG a month.

[LLPunting]

EU SPs have/will depart for home and not be readmitted on visas, the EU will have a larger market and economic potential than a depleted UK pretty much out the door and struggling to resume normal economic activity under WTO rules (unless BoJo and his gang are deposed by Corona and better sense prevails in negotiations).

Punter numbers will be diminished by economic priority and many girls in the sub-150 class will have to drop prices to lure what they can out of the bushes.

Native/naturalised SPs may well increase in numbers due to economic circumstances and they may try to charge higher fees but unless they deliver service quality there should be a fairly rapid reckoning and they will drop prices to compete with the older hands.

If prices do trend up then I will probably try finding more non-pros to make up for the loss of the WSWS thrill that avoiding parlours will bring.

[Rochelle]

That rings true, but then the other thing to consider is that a WG sees perhaps 50 guys a month, whereas a punter might see one WG a month.

I don't see anywhere near that number. I wouldn't even want to.

[Introvert]

What do you think is going to happen?

I’m personally thinking that the UKs WGs will bump prices up to get back the lost revenue.

EU and non EU will stay away until it’s calmed down

[lewisjones23]

I don't see anywhere near that number. I wouldn't even want to.

are you one of these that lies about only seeing one punter a day? 

[Drayki]

are you one of these that lies about only seeing one punter a day? 

  

[Rochelle]

are you one of these that lies about only seeing one punter a day? 

Are you one of these that believes WGs always lie about everything, just because we're WGs?

[Payyourwaymate]

So, looking forward as ever the optimist -

What’s going to happen when the lock down is removed?

Prices are lower to tempt the punters?

Or

Prices rocket due to the demand?

Hhmmmmm

Prices will not rocket. Everyone is on survival mode. I went on a site and they were complaining there was a flood a girls trying to join out of desperation. There's most likely going to be an increase of chicks turning to camming. I have already seen a couple dismal amateur videos popping up on (site name removed)  .  Due to the age demographic of most punters I would expect more caution on their part so they may punt less for sometime after this event is over. This is not including the effect on disposable income available due to jobs lost or additional debt incurred due to panic buying on the credit card or using credit to get by. This will not just blow over. Punting will be the least of mens worries, those with responsibilities anyway. 

If by some chance prices do rocket, then....good Luck to those WGs, they will get a first hand lesson on basic economics.

[daviemac]

Prices will not rocket. Everyone is on survival mode. I went on a site and they were complaining there was a flood a girls trying to join out of desperation. There's most likely going to be an increase of chicks turning to camming. I have already seen a couple dismal amateur videos popping up on (site name removed)  .  Due to the age demographic of most punters I would expect more caution on their part so they may punt less for sometime after this event is over. This is not including the effect on disposable income available due to jobs lost or additional debt incurred due to panic buying on the credit card or using credit to get by. This will not just blow over. Punting will be the least of mens worries, those with responsibilities anyway. 

If by some chance prices do rocket, then....good Luck to those WGs, they will get a first hand lesson on basic economics.

I've removed what I think caused pre-mod.

[winkywanky]

I don't see anywhere near that number. I wouldn't even want to.

I could also say I didn't want to see you even once a month, but I won't    .

[Rochelle]

I could also say I didn't want to see you even once a month, but I won't    .

Ha!

My ideal numbers would be 3 to 4 per week, depending on booking length. (Of course, I must be chatting bollocks )

[winkywanky]

You should be sucking them! (Gently of course  )

[LLPunting]

Ha!

My ideal numbers would be 3 to 4 per week, depending on booking length. (Of course, I must be chatting bollocks )

"booking" length eh?  How discrete of you 

[Home Alone]

Are you one of these that believes WGs always lie about everything, just because we're WGs?

No; of course not. Nobody lies about everything, do they?

[Payyourwaymate]

I've removed what I think caused pre-mod.

My bad, did not know there were trigger words other than the alternative word for WG that cause alerts or modifications. No problem  .... although now my original post doesn't make sense  . 

[daviemac]

My bad, did not know there were trigger words other than the alternative word for WG that cause alerts or modifications. No problem  .... although now my original post doesn't make sense  .

Yeah, there's quite a few, it's due to people trying to bypass the auto sensor and get the names of other sites in. I've added "site name" to the 'removed' so it makes a bit more sense.

If your post doesn't come up straight away you know you've hit one.   

[ulstersubbie]

Ha!

My ideal numbers would be 3 to 4 per week, depending on booking length. (Of course, I must be chatting bollocks )

I'm 11.5", is that long enough?   

[Rochelle]

Alright, alright, I ran into that.

[winkywanky]

Were you running backwards? 

[finn5555]

Were you running backwards? 

Don't give up your day job, assuming you still have one 

[winkywanky]

My day job continues until I die, I'm retired   

So keep on expecting a relentless assault of shit jokes .

[finn5555]

So keep on expecting a relentless assault of shit jokes .

 

[winkywanky]

  

[casio]

More like 5 or 6 months if you listen to many of the the "experts"

Now looking at 6+ months:
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[GingerNuts]

Now looking at 6+ months:
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6 months give or take with a gradual easing back to normality during that period.

It may be quicker than that - it may take longer.

She [England's deputy chief medical officer] is not saying the current - rather drastic - adjustments we've all had to make to our lives will stay in place until then…but that all of these measures - staying at home, lots of shops being shut, etc - will have to be eased very, very gradually - to ensure there isn't a sudden spike of new cases shortly afterwards.

[usroads]

Bumping up an old thread - SP prices shouldn't be rising - May 2020 inflation rate now at 0.5%      

[hermanmunster]

Bumping up an old thread - SP prices shouldn't be rising - May 2020 inflation rate now at 0.5%      

I would happily pay a WG (who was charging £150ph last year) £150.75!