Brothel arrests

[3imfred]

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[Greg05]

5 punters lifted by looks of it.

Investigation going back 8 months.

Wonder if it has anything to do with the announcement that the law has largely been pointless since implementation.

[3imfred]

Who knows
Nightmare getting scooped like that good luck explaining to partner

[bonerman1969]

Think there's more info in here. External Link/Members Only

[rodhardy]

If that doesn't make your tinker shrivel up I don't know what will.

Dire, A better outcome for all involved would be legalisation and regulation imo.

[maxQ]

38 punters caught in Dublin/Ireland too

Be careful out there lads

[JJ66]

I'm pretty conscious of risk avoidance, I avoid any girls under 30 and have a preference for native English speakers or those who have been around for a while and are well reviewed.  This latest bust has just clarified that the risk is not negligible.  I'll be interested to see where the punters were caught, how they were caught and the profiles of the girls involved.

[lunchbreakpunter]

I’m far from a regular punter, I’d say I scratch the itch maybe 4/5 times a year but that puts me out of the game completely right there. Potential to ruin way too many aspects of life for a ride.

[Greg05]

If they pulled hard enough at that string they’d get the whole lot of us

[Apeasant]

Wonder if there’ll actually be any successful charges against those arrested.

That’s put me off the punting for a while, only hotels or massages.

This place really is a backward shit hole

[scutty brown]

assuming all the arrests are linked, its worth pointing out that this looks like an antitrafficking operation, not a straight anti-prostitution strike. The timing is significant as well as it coincides with the latest phase of Operation Aidant (sometimes called Aident), which is an ongoing  pan-UK operation to disrupt sexual slavery

[Redpunter]

There was a Europe wide Anti Trafficking Operation in place last week according to the Dublin press.

[Smetner]

I'm pretty conscious of risk avoidance, I avoid any girls under 30 and have a preference for native English speakers or those who have been around for a while and are well reviewed.  This latest bust has just clarified that the risk is not negligible.  I'll be interested to see where the punters were caught, how they were caught and the profiles of the girls involved.

Agree with you. My last four punts have all been with either local girls and then only those who have been around for a few years.  My one execption was an English girl who basically was always here and in my opinion was sort of a local

I appreciate that sometimes local girls are not as execiting or as pretty as the stunners that tour but I feel safer with the locals and this thread has not changed my opinion.

Stay safe

Smetner

[SN5]

assuming all the arrests are linked, its worth pointing out that this looks like an antitrafficking operation, not a straight anti-prostitution strike. The timing is significant as well as it coincides with the latest phase of Operation Aidant (sometimes called Aident), which is an ongoing  pan-UK operation to disrupt sexual slavery

+1

The arrests were all made on Sunday morning, one was fairly close to where I live. So very likely to have been part of one operation. All done in timing with the negative publicity from the report, so they had to do something to show it's not just about catching men out paying for sex, but ending one particular sex slavery and people trafficking ring, which puts a far more positive spin on things.

Yes, if the powers that be worked hard enough at it, they could do pretty much all of us. But they simply don't have the resources to go after thousands of men.

[Z3r0Sama]

+1

The arrests were all made on Sunday morning, one was fairly close to where I live. So very likely to have been part of one operation. All done in timing with the negative publicity from the report, so they had to do something to show it's not just about catching men out paying for sex, but ending one particular sex slavery and people trafficking ring, which puts a far more positive spin on things.

Yes, if the powers that be worked hard enough at it, they could do pretty much all of us. But they simply don't have the resources to go after thousands of men.

Agree. This right here us why I use a burner phone, do the call in a different area from where I live so It can't be traced back to my hometown, stick too british girls and punt an hour away from where I live.

I have no police record and no online picture presence(facebook, insta, twitter) so unless I get lifted at the location I'd be hard too track.

Still scares the shit out of you when you here about it, but if you punt in known areas, brothels or with eastern europeans for the sake of saving £50 your playing Russian roulette.

[JJ66]

+1

The arrests were all made on Sunday morning, one was fairly close to where I live. So very likely to have been part of one operation. All done in timing with the negative publicity from the report, so they had to do something to show it's not just about catching men out paying for sex, but ending one particular sex slavery and people trafficking ring, which puts a far more positive spin on things.

Yes, if the powers that be worked hard enough at it, they could do pretty much all of us. But they simply don't have the resources to go after thousands of men.

Well, there is the big issue of the burden of proof, without a WG prepared to testify that there was a financial transaction there would be no case, albeit from a personal perspective there would be the huge issue of explaining why you were "helping the police with their enquiries".  I do recall having a chat with one of the local girls who stated that the police knew where she operated from but just weren't interested.

[Greg05]

Well, there is the big issue of the burden of proof, without a WG prepared to testify that there was a financial transaction there would be no case, albeit from a personal perspective there would be the huge issue of explaining why you were "helping the police with their enquiries".  I do recall having a chat with one of the local girls who stated that the police knew where she operated from but just weren't interested.

It’s a difficult one... but if they got phone records they can show length of calls and to the same number who happens to be a working girl and maybe texts with addresses and suchlike... how do you explain that away? I can’t remember?

Circumstantial evidence maybe but the fact 5 or 6 punters in wildly varying locations were scooped.

Was the 27 year old woman a madam of sorts?

The ringleader due up again 25th October.

I’ve no doubt plod is here watching too. Our accounts here could be used against us too potentially if they grab all out electronic devices.

[Greg05]

It’s beating an old drum but I would say to avoid those ‘dodgy’ or well known areas.

Also avoid multiple girls in the one property. I think too even if sharing weeks about it still counts as multiple occupancy.

Also the guy arrested had amassed £150000

[Bryan11]

I wonder were the five punters that were arrested just in the wrong time at the wrong place. Just happened to be going for a punt when the police came knocking?


The burden of proof is beyond resonance doubt for a conviction!
However, if your dna was inside a condom, and a known escorts was on the outside of the condom, they can be sure you had sex
Then add the fact that you no longer have the £150 in your hand that was withdrawn from bank two hours ago.

I think the above is definitely more than enough to get you arrested and charged. But I dunno about convicted. Tho being charged would be as bad as being convicted(exceot) for the fine and jail time)

[scutty brown]

remember any and all money the girls / pimps have will be taken and may be fingerprinted for evidence
even punting phones can be tracked.........never use your punting phone at home, never have it on at the same time as another phone that can be traced to you, if your punting phone is on make sure your car can't be spotted by cameras

[Apeasant]

So were all the arrests related to brothels ?

[belfastpunter]

Hard to tell now if its a brohel. If used by more than one girl, then that is what police call it.

A few times in the past I have visited a house, not realising there are two girls there.
Even Delilah Haze who i often thought a safe bet is sharing and doing threesomes, therefore by definition running a brothel.

[ImDaveMate]

IMO Hotels are the only safe punt with Mature or confident escorts that no one would believe was trafficked.
Easy for a young girl to say she was forced or fooled into prostitution.
Easier for her family to hear that then the daughter saying she is  a prossie by choice.
Young pimped girls get sympathy and help young prossies doing it by choice get trouble and no help.
How are the police going to stake out a hotel room and why would they when there are so many overused brothels in every town.
Police want easy pickings not a fight with escorts who know their rights.

[scutty brown]

IMO Hotels are the only safe punt with Mature or confident escorts that no one would believe was trafficked.
Easy for a young girl to say she was forced or fooled into prostitution.
Easier for her family to hear that then the daughter saying she is  a Sex Worker by choice.
Young pimped girls get sympathy and help young Sex Workers doing it by choice get trouble and no help.
How are the police going to stake out a hotel room and why would they when there are so many overused brothels in every town.
Police want easy pickings not a fight with escorts who know their rights.

they don't need to stake out hotel rooms........they can just raid the room based on reports from reception
- and they will, and do, doit

[ImDaveMate]

I have heard of escorts being told to get out
I have never heard of clients arrested in a hotel.
It would be bad publicity for the hotel.

Do you know of arrests from hotels.

[Greg05]

IMO Hotels are the only safe punt with Mature or confident escorts that no one would believe was trafficked.
Easy for a young girl to say she was forced or fooled into prostitution.
Easier for her family to hear that then the daughter saying she is  a Sex Worker by choice.
Young pimped girls get sympathy and help young Sex Workers doing it by choice get trouble and no help.
How are the police going to stake out a hotel room and why would they when there are so many overused brothels in every town.
Police want easy pickings not a fight with escorts who know their rights.

Absolute nonsense

[scutty brown]

I have heard of escorts being told to get out
I have never heard of clients arrested in a hotel.
It would be bad publicity for the hotel.

Do you know of arrests from hotels.

I know of arrests of EE girls from hotels who were then handed over to Borderforce to be repatriated

[ImDaveMate]

I know of arrests of EE girls from hotels who were then handed over to Borderforce to be repatriated

Any men arrested.
Were there two girls working together  in the hotel they are supposed to be ok if working alone

[scutty brown]

Any men arrested.
Were there two girls working together  in the hotel they are supposed to be ok if working alone

More than one way of skinning a cat...........they were arrested for immigration offences and then kicked out. Pimps were kicked out each time as well. Easier than taking them to court - especially if the pimps are wanted for crimes in Romania, let them deal with their own.
This was in England not Ireland, but same principles apply: disrupting the business is easier than prosecution

[Apeasant]

Hard to charge you if you were in a hotel room with 1 girl

Hotels are much safer imo.You can just blend into the crowd and go to the room

[scutty brown]

Hard to charge you if you were in a hotel room with 1 girl

Hotels are much safer imo.You can just blend into the crowd and go to the room

don't be daft
If a room is raided police are going to find:
a stash of condoms
wet wipes / tissues
lube
baby oil
multiple used condoms with DNA in the bin
multiple phones belonging to the girl with incriminating texts  and numbers matching online profiles
punter's phone with booking texts

enough there to make a case

[scutty brown]

don't be daft
If a room is raided police are going to find:
a stash of condoms
wet wipes / tissues
lube
baby oil
multiple used condoms with DNA in the bin
multiple phones belonging to the girl with incriminating texts  and numbers matching online profiles
punter's phone with booking texts

enough there to make a case

and I forgot:
piles of cash with punters fingerprints

[ImDaveMate]

More than one way of skinning a cat...........they were arrested for immigration offences and then kicked out. Pimps were kicked out each time as well. Easier than taking them to court - especially if the pimps are wanted for crimes in Romania, let them deal with their own.
This was in England not Ireland, but same principles apply: disrupting the business is easier than prosecution

In Ireland I know for sure of garda telling a hotel manager to stop wasting their time when he reported a WG in his hotel.
Girl was independent low key and knew her rights.
Garda PSNI police want easy pickings not hard work.
Independent escorts working alone have nothing to fear from PSNI
An independent is not going to shop her clients the only outcome for her if she does is a court time and loss of business.

Apartments used by one girl this week another next week is a brothel they do not have to be there at the same time.

[Apeasant]

and I forgot:
piles of cash with punters fingerprints

That’s an awful lot of work for the cops just to give you a few hundred pound fine or
a caution or whatever it is you get

[MartyW]

Not that much work and they'd do it anyway. It's all about figures, crimes detected versus successful prosecution ratio. Same logic that puts resources into easy ratio gain traffic policing and leaves alone tricky burglary investigations.

[Greg05]

That’s an awful lot of work for the cops just to give you a few hundred pound fine or
a caution or whatever it is you get

Closer to 6 months prison and sex offenders register

[Greg05]

In Ireland I know for sure of garda telling a hotel manager to stop wasting their time when he reported a WG in his hotel.
Girl was independent low key and knew her rights.
Garda PSNI police want easy pickings not hard work.
Independent escorts working alone have nothing to fear from PSNI
An independent is not going to shop her clients the only outcome for her if she does is a court time and loss of business.

Apartments used by one girl this week another next week is a brothel they do not have to be there at the same time.

Given that the new law here is under review the PSNI will be under pressure to show it is working...

[ImDaveMate]

Given that the new law here is under review the PSNI will be under pressure to show it is working...

Which is why they will go for easy pickings not tricky cases they may lose.

[Greg05]

Which is why they will go for easy pickings not tricky cases they may lose.

Dave, you aren’t exactly Quincey.

“Officer there has been sex noises coming from that room all day and a series of men have been seen coming and going from it.”

 Female occupant has thousands of £s in cash with fingerprints from a number of people including herself. Security camera footage of men entering the hotel, not necessarily showing them entering her room. Phone records of numerous calls made to her phone or phones. When she realises she isn’t on the hook for a criminal offence and only stands to lose a days takings she will sing. It is naive to thing otherwise.

The only hotel contact I would consider again would be an outcall prove if you ask me but possibly easier to track real names etc.

[Greg05]

Which is why they will go for easy pickings not tricky cases they may lose.

100 odd adverts on AW... half that maybe on EI and same again on VS.

If I were plod looking to boost numbers I’d ring them up, confirm booking and then no show once the property is known. Wait for the next poor sucker and raid it 15 mins later.

[poacher no2]

Or not give reviews on here ??????

[ImDaveMate]

Or not give reviews on here ??????

Never log in from home

[Apeasant]

Closer to 6 months prison and sex offenders register

Sex offenders register for a “ first time punting offence”

Are you sure ?

[Greg05]

It’s a sex crime at the end of the day just like taking a piss on the street is apparently a sex crime too.

The first guy to get done over here had a clean record I think and as far as I remember got 6 months.

Although to be fair he didn’t sound like a proper punter.

[Randall_graves]

It’s a sex crime at the end of the day just like taking a piss on the street is apparently a sex crime too.

The first guy to get done over here had a clean record I think and as far as I remember got 6 months.

Although to be fair he didn’t sound like a proper punter.

If I remember correctly that guy was done for soliciting - he was basically approaching random women in the street and offering them money for sex.

[Greg05]

He drove up to a petrol station cleaner two or three times asking for sex and offering money...

Were these arrests not due up in court soon?

[Greg05]

I doubt these arrests have us utterly spooked. Post count way down it seems here

[HoraceWimp$9]

Yes - but more adverts on EI.

Looks like people are being more guarded about what the post/say (naturally)

[Redpunter]

Have also noticed posts are down and a lot of WGs are now advertising Massage Services on VS, LoXXXto,GT and also EI, maybe they also are thinking its safer than advertising Escort services. 

[Greg05]

Massage with HE just as illegal