What Constitutes an accepted booking?

[daviemac]

yes mate, iv read it, that's why I asked the question about wondering how a sp would react if they had an appointment cancelled on them that was booked but not booked, hence why I finished by offering my answer to when a booking is a booking, not just an empty promise, iv read the thread, the op asked a question

In this case she wouldn't react at all she didn't make a booking with him. The OP wanted to know if her pissing him about constituted a booking so he could leave a review and it doesn't.

What is classed as a booking has been clearly explained in answer to his question. How an escort would feel if a punter cancelled on her is a different topic all together.

[Moby Dick]

yes mate, iv read it, that's why I asked the question about wondering how a sp would react if they had an appointment cancelled on them that was booked but not booked hence why I finished by offering my answer to when a booking is a booking, not just an empty promise, iv read the thread, the op asked a question

WTF

[O30303]

WTF

well it's clear that my response hasn't been read the way it was ment by me, no probs guys, sont let it spoil yr Sunday eve, thanks for your reply to my reply, next time il make sure my answer is the same as yours eh, we dont want to have to think about other stuff on the internet now do we

[Clattypats]

yes mate, iv read it, that's why I asked the question about wondering how a sp would react if they had an appointment cancelled on them that was booked but not booked, hence why I finished by offering my answer to when a booking is a booking, not just an empty promise, iv read the thread, the op asked a question

You're talking in riddles now, and have basically just contradicted your initial post

There was no confirmed booking

[MissWolf]

I think personally the answer is in these words....and you said......I will confirm it the day before on the Sunday

If it was me I would have asked for a confirmation there and then as that's only a maybe in my eyes

However should I get an enquiry in the meantime I would have messaged to see if you wanted to confirm before taking that booking

[AnthG]

I think personally the answer is in these words....and you said......I will confirm it the day before on the Sunday

If it was me I would have asked for a confirmation there and then as that's only a maybe in my eyes

The way the northeast works you have to double confirm you still want the advanced booking on the day, or the night before or you lose it.

There have been a few topics where someone made an advanced booking, but did not double confirm it on the day, or the night before and then the girl just assumed you no longer want it and just gave it to someone else. The punter then showed up at the agreed time and started being upset as the booking was givne to someone else.

And thus the girl asked on the forum, was I in the wrong here, and the consensus was unanimous, you double confirm you still want the booking or lose it.

[MissWolf]

The way the northeast works you have to double confirm you still want the advanced booking on the day, or the night before or you lose it.

There have been a few topics where someone made an advanced booking, but did not double confirm it on the day, or the night before and then the girl just assumed you no longer want it and just gave it to someone else. The punter then showed up at the agreed time and started being upset as the booking was givne to someone else.

And thus the girl asked on the forum, was I in the wrong here, and the consensus was unanimous, you double confirm you still want the booking or lose it.

WOW us welshies are clearly more flexible lol 

[daviemac]

I think personally the answer is in these words....and you said......I will confirm it the day before on the Sunday

If it was me I would have asked for a confirmation there and then as that's only a maybe in my eyes

However should I get an enquiry in the meantime I would have messaged to see if you wanted to confirm before taking that booking

She knows him and didn't want his booking. She gave her availability as Monday, he said great I'll have Monday and confirm on the Sunday, she didn't reply for 5 days and when she did she said she wasn't available. There was no booking made for anybody to confirm.

Would you ask for confirmation for a booking you did not want and had no intention of making. 

[MissWolf]

She knows him and didn't want his booking. She gave her availability as Monday, he said great I'll have Monday and confirm on the Sunday, she didn't reply for 5 days and when she did she said she wasn't available. There was no booking made for anybody to confirm.

Would you ask for confirmation for a booking you did not want and had no intention of making. 

No but then I wouldn't have given him availability

If there is a client I don't want to see again I will tell them I'm not accepting bookings from them or block them, I like my communication clear 

[daviemac]

No but then I wouldn't have given him availability

If there is a client I don't want to see again I will tell them I'm not accepting bookings from them or block them, I like my communication clear 

There's quite a backstory to this from another site, though this isn't the place to go into it. I will say, in my opinion, she may have preferred avoid a booking than outright refusing one. She's stopped doing incalls now anyway.

[Moby Dick]

well it's clear that my response hasn't been read the way it was ment by me, no probs guys, sont let it spoil yr Sunday eve, thanks for your reply to my reply, next time il make sure my answer is the same as yours eh, we dont want to have to think about other stuff on the internet now do we

WTF

[AnthG]

There's quite a backstory to this from another site, though this isn't the place to go into it. I will say, in my opinion, she may have preferred avoid a booking than outright refusing one. She's stopped doing incalls now anyway.

Well, there is actually a really-really long backstory given the girl in question has been in more dramas in the northeast than even I have. And I was the only one who stuck up for her every single time during those dramas. To the extent that oldadmin nearly banned me for doing it, as the whole northeast was unanimous on condemning her in those dramas, except for me who was the only one who seen her side of it each time and supporting her side of it. On three separate dramas.

And now, because of some drama on another forum with some idiots twisting things that get said just to make some fun happen in their sad lives, its, immediately no won't accept a booking from you. But done in a way to waste my time.

So not a single ounce of similar consideration given to me that I gave to her.

[scutty brown]

Well, there is actually a really-really long backstory given the girl in question has been in more dramas in the northeast than even I have. And I was the only one who stuck up for her every single time during those dramas. To the extent that oldadmin nearly banned me for doing it, as the whole northeast was unanimous on condemning her in those dramas, except for me who was the only one who seen her side of it each time and supporting her side of it. On three separate dramas.

And now, because of some drama on another forum with some idiots twisting things that get said just to make some fun happen in their sad lives, its, immediately no won't accept a booking from you. But done in a way to waste my time.

So not a single ounce of similar consideration given to me that I gave to her.

So because you backed her during those "dramas" where everyone else condemned her, you now think she owes you something? Could it be they were right and you were wrong and you are now discovering the reality? Of course she owes you nothing anyway and clearly doesn't want to see you. You need to look reality in the face and stop bleating like a sad sheep.
You also need to ask yourself why it is that she doesn't want to see you. Following the bollox with the "unhappy" agency girl a few days ago is there a trend developing?

[AnthG]

So because you backed her during those "dramas" where everyone else condemned her, you now think she owes you something?

The dramas she got herself involved in were pretty bad, and as I said, similar consideration I gave her back would have been nice.

You also need to ask yourself why it is that she doesn't want to see you. Following the bollox with the "unhappy" agency girl a few days ago is there a trend developing?

Well I have been punting for almost 10 years now. I was the very first NE punter on UKP. And by a considerable mile on it too as it took a year and a half later for the second NE'er to join here and for the next couple of years after that the northeast section consisted of 5 people. It wasn't until 2014 when it exploded in popularity.

And in all that time, I have never had a single issue with bookings like this until now. And I know myself its due to that other place, and thus thankfully I am away from the place that caused it as I am now banned from it.

But to say again, it would have been nice to get some similar considerations back from people that I have over the years given to them.

[daviemac]

But to say again, it would have been nice to get some similar considerations back from people that I have over the years given to them.

A sentiment you would do well to remember when those who have stuck up for you in the past try to do so again.

FWIW no matter how long you've been a member of a forum, you don't own it and you can't complain if others choose to post in 'your' area.

[scutty brown]

The dramas she got herself involved in were pretty bad, and as I said, similar consideration I gave her back would have been nice.

Well I have been punting for almost 10 years now. I was the very first NE punter on UKP. And by a considerable mile on it too as it took a year and a half later for the second NE'er to join here and for the next couple of years after that the northeast section consisted of 5 people. It wasn't until 2014 when it exploded in popularity.

And in all that time, I have never had a single issue with bookings like this until now. And I know myself its due to that other place, and thus thankfully I am away from the place that caused it as I am now banned from it.

But to say again, it would have been nice to get some similar considerations back from people that I have over the years given to them.

You're living in cloud cuckoo land. There's no reciprocity of goodwill in punting. Best to just pay, fuck, fuck off and keep yer gob shut and not get involved in any behind-the-scenes hooker meltdowns, tantrums or other bollocks. That way you can enjoy the sex and not get bogged down with the wet-blanket dramas that seem to follow you every time you post.
You say you spend a lot of time talking to girls during punts........FFS  get out of that habit, just fuck'em and leave'em, that way your head won't get filled with all this philosophical balderdash you recite.

[AnthG]

FWIW no matter how long you've been a member of a forum, you don't own it and you can't complain if others choose to post in 'your' area.

I never complained about people posting in my area. This is what things got twisted onto by the trolls

I complained about specific trolls, trolling in my area and that is what I was taking issue with. Many people seen what was going on and that they were doing it as I have been told by PM a lot of people seen what was going on also.

I never tried to fall out with anyone. I just got so flustered as this is affecting my bookings this trolling I was receiving.

Ask anyone, they will say what was going on. And whats even more obvious, now I am banned, these posters suddenly vanish from the NE section. That proves their real motives and agenda there.

Anyway, I can build bridges back up with anyone I upset on this forum. Just not this WG of course. As this was always the best forum by far. As people act differently here than they do on those other places.

[AnthG]

You're living in cloud cuckoo land. There's no reciprocity of goodwill in punting. Best to just pay, fuck, fuck off and keep yer gob shut and not get involved in any behind-the-scenes hooker meltdowns, tantrums or other bollocks. That way you can enjoy the sex and not get bogged down with the wet-blanket dramas that seem to follow you every time you post.
You say you spend a lot of time talking to girls during punts........FFS  get out of that habit, just fuck'em and leave'em, that way your head won't get filled with all this philosophical balderdash you recite.

You are 100% right.

It would be good for anyone inclined bookmarking this thread to highlight the uselessness of ever sicking up for / white knighting WGs. As they don't show it back.

[tynetunnel]

A: She is not a regular, I have seen her multiple times before, but its a case of one booking per year for the last three years. That in my eyes is not a regular. Its just someone you've seen before multiple times.

B: It would not be a "revenge neg" if it is for someone who messed you around for two weeks. If she said, nope sorry, don't want to accept a booking from you. That would be one thing.

But not going about that by implying bookings are setup when thet are not. As in how about next Monday, or the following. Yeah great I will do the following. And then 5 days later, nope booked out now, sorry. How about the week after I can to that.....Yep great book you now for that......5 days later again, no sorry booked out again, now.

So then I say, ok anytime you are free I will set it up....nope sorry, retiring now.

Over two weeks. I think, maybe not you, but I think is worthy of a negative.  It was deliberately messing someone about. Hence why I asked and started the topic to get an official answer on it one way or the other. But I cannot give it as the messing about wasn't a booking so cannot give it. End of story.

The people in the north east all know who she is.

We do! 

[daviemac]

It would be good for anyone inclined bookmarking this thread to highlight the uselessness of ever sicking up for / white knighting WGs. As they don't show it back.

The time you got banned from here then allowed back was due to you trying to score 'brownie points' with an escort with regard to a review. Don't even think about saying it wasn't, it was.

[AnthG]

The time you got banned from here then allowed back was due to you trying to score 'brownie points' with an escort with regard to a review. Don't even think about saying it wasn't, it was.

Actually, coincidentally. The reason why I was banned was because, another girl came with a sob story about the said girl in this topic, (this was major Drama number 1) and she was coming out with outlandish claims about her that was too out of touch with reality for anyone to even believe.

And she wanted me to help her fix it. I tried to help her in giving her a story about another girl and some drunk guy assaulting her saying effectively don't worry about things as they will turn out ok in the end. Said just to calm her down and show her everything is going to be alright in the longrun.

And then at being asked to by the first girl, went and spoke via PM to the girl in this topic and she gave me her side of it. And I believed the girl in this topics side, as her story made sense. The first girls didn't.

The first girl's story then came out publicly onto the forums and everyone in the northeast believed it 100% and thought this girl in this topic was literally the devil incarnate and wanted her blacklisted for it. And I stuck up for her saying what really happened on the forum arguing with everyone over and over again saying what the first girl claims does not make sense. Everyone thought I was a bastard for sticking up for this girl, given the evilness of what she "did".

The first girl waited three months and then to get revenge clicked report on my PM to her saying everything will be ok and taking what I said out about the drink guy of context. Admin seen only the one PM out of context and banned me.

Thus proving all along, the first girl who came with the sob story was actually the sinister one all along in all of this.

[datwabbit]

You are 100% right.

It would be good for anyone inclined bookmarking this thread to highlight the uselessness of ever sicking up for / white knighting WGs. As they don't show it back.

Weren't you told this during the last drama? I might be wrong but I'm sure that you were and you chose to ignore it then write up a review which seemed to be the best punt of your life.

If it was the best punt, log it in the wank bank and find another student escort.

[Rochelle]

That's not a booking.
Whenever someone says to me that they'll confirm it on such and such day, I take that as a maybe, and they'll know for sure on the day they say they'll confirm. If I get a booking in the meantime, I'll take it.

[daviemac]

Actually, coincidentally. The reason why I was banned was because, another girl came with a sob story about the said girl in this topic, (this was major Drama number 1) and she was coming out with outlandish claims about her that was too out of touch with reality for anyone to even believe.

Anth, you're trying to convince the wrong one. I looked very carefully at what happened and read all the posts regarding what you had said, where and to whom. I gave the info to OldAdmin, he subsequently posted and didn't ban you. You could well be talking about a different drama.   

 https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=122896.msg1398480#msg1398480 

[AnthG]

Anth, you're trying to convince the wrong one. I looked very carefully at what happened and read all the posts regarding what you had said, where and to whom. I gave the info to OldAdmin, he subsequently posted and didn't ban you. You could well be talking about a different drama.   

 https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=122896.msg1398480#msg1398480

No. You have the right drama. What happened was, and I even posted up the PMs as proof.

A guy at literally random PMed me saying that girl you rave about Vicky on the forums, she is an ugly bitch and she is a total minger.

And I repleid back saying, sorry you feel that way as I think she is fit as hell. And he then started with a tirade of abuse by PM towards me.

Here is the PM exchange here.

https://www.ukpunting.com/uploaded/ad9a04d3af1f007e313c0d28a01043978ca8462f.png

I clicked report on it, and Admin banned him for giving me abuse.

Later on that night I received a whatsapp from Vicky saying this guy she seen was drunk and he headbutted her and was saying he is a member of the forums and all sorts. I told her, the guy was messaging me earlier that day and got banned.

In the drama with Mia I said about the issue with *girl X of this topic* things will turn out ok in the longrun and I told her about Vicky seeing the drunk guy who headbutted her and she was terrified he will give her a negative review and lie about her. And I told her he got banned for being abusive to me so couldn't do it.

Mia twisted that story out of context to imply I got the guy banned to protect Vicky from getting a negative review. But the guy was already banned before I even spoke to her for that PM tirade

That is hand on heart the truth on that. Look at the PM exchange between us as its still there. And the problem with Mia's story was, I even told the guy, post a negative review for Vicky then if it was so bad. That proves I was not doing what Mia tried to claim.

[scutty brown]

Actually, coincidentally. The reason why I was banned was because, another girl came with a sob story about the said girl in this topic, (this was major Drama number 1) and she was coming out with outlandish claims about her that was too out of touch with reality for anyone to even believe.

And she wanted me to help her fix it. I tried to help her in giving her a story about another girl and some drunk guy assaulting her saying effectively don't worry about things as they will turn out ok in the end. Said just to calm her down and show her everything is going to be alright in the longrun.

And then at being asked to by the first girl, went and spoke via PM to the girl in this topic and she gave me her side of it. And I believed the girl in this topics side, as her story made sense. The first girls didn't.

The first girl's story then came out publicly onto the forums and everyone in the northeast believed it 100% and thought this girl in this topic was literally the devil incarnate and wanted her blacklisted for it. And I stuck up for her saying what really happened on the forum arguing with everyone over and over again saying what the first girl claims does not make sense. Everyone thought I was a bastard for sticking up for this girl, given the evilness of what she "did".

The first girl waited three months and then to get revenge clicked report on my PM to her saying everything will be ok and taking what I said out about the drink guy of context. Admin seen only the one PM out of context and banned me.

Thus proving all along, the first girl who came with the sob story was actually the sinister one all along in all of this.

FFS, why on earth were you volunteering to put yourself in the middle of a catfight between two whores? WTF were you sending PMs to them? It was none of your business but you let yourself get dragged in and burned.
You need to stop getting involved in shit like that, and stop trying to justify it - either to yourself or others.

[tynetunnel]

Weren't you told this during the last drama? I might be wrong but I'm sure that you were and you chose to ignore it then write up a review which seemed to be the best punt of your life.

If it was the best punt, log it in the wank bank and find another student escort.

Good advice DW. I think some people literally thrive on drama, or that review surely would have never happened. Just like this thread shouldn’t have

[Belgarion]

This is probably one of those questions where people will think, is he having a laugh. Isn't it obvious what constitutes an accepted booking.

But in my eyes, it's not 100% clearcut and straight forward in every instance hence why I am asking now to confirm 100% (I suspect other punters may have these thoughts too maybe).

But anyway, if you send a booking request, saying, can I book you for an outcall for 2pm someday this week when you are available.

And the girl comes back and says, I am unavailable this week, but I can either see you on 2pm next Monday for an outcall, or I am offering incalls on the Monday after that. Does either one of them sound ok to you. And you reply back saying, great, I will take the Monday after that incall please for that time. I will confirm it the day before on the Sunday.

Tumbleweeds roll for 5 days. Totally ignored after sending that message.

Girl gets back after 5 full days and says, sorry for the late reply, but someone else has booked me now for that time. Girl therefore says, I am seeing about setting up another incall day for the following Monday after that, how about that. So you say, great will book you for that then same time.

Tumbleweeds roll again for 5 days. Girl comes back and says, sorry, someone has now booked me for an outcall so I am not doing the incall day no more.

You say ok, can I book you for any day that you are next able, you tell me a day will be available and I will setup an outcall at a hotel for it. Girl says, sorry I am now retiring after that outcall.

Does any of that constitute a booking? As it is totally messing someone about. Or does a booking need the girl to come back after you say, great I will see you for the 2pm for the offered incall, with a response of, great, confirmed, I've put it in my diary to see you then, before it becomes a booking?

There are 2 ways to look at it;

1. Your email may have not clearly stated you wanted the booking for the date so she took another one that was a bit more direct.

2. She's messing you about and I personally would not have contacted her again after the first incident.

An SP from the NE that came to London did soemthing similar. Said she was going  back home and then accepted a booking on the day.

She subsequently contacted me about availability for future tours but that experience put me off.

The best way to deal with stuff by email is to limit the options. So offer 2 dates/times if she cannot make them, find someone who can. Leaving things open ended never works in the land of punt or at work

[AnthG]

Good advice DW. I think some people literally thrive on drama, or that review surely would have never happened. Just like this thread shouldn’t have

You are right, the thread should be considered done and dusted now. I am not getting into a drama, what I said about 10 posts ago. I am going to make sure I follow it.

[smiths]

I honestly assumed it was all setup and done and dusted.

The girl knows I am not a timewaster as I have booked her multiple times before. And gave glowing positives each time (to the extent people probably needed vomit bags afterwards on reading them they were so saddo mushy fluffy) And also she knows who I am from the forums and I sent the booking request via the forums.

Timewaster is not the reason. She just did not want to accept the booking and thus mess me around hoping I would give up trying.

Never assume anything with WGs, check and confirm the exact time and date carefully with them, and never put the onus on them to let you know, contact them and confirm the punt is still on. I usually punt same day but even with regulars I still ring them to confirm I am on my way despite the fact I may of only booked them a couple of hours or less before.

[mrfishyfoo]

FFS I just wasted 15 minutes of my life reading this shite. 

For those that don't know the 3Ps of punting, and to remind those that have forgot them, here you are.

Pay
Podge
Piss off

END OF !!!

....and FWIW that weren't no confirmed booking. 

[Beamer]

This thread and its verbage is a good example of a complete waste of space. 

[smiths]

You are 100% right.

It would be good for anyone inclined bookmarking this thread to highlight the uselessness of ever sicking up for / white knighting WGs. As they don't show it back.

Why would a WG show it back, you and me are just business to them and quite right to. I don't expect any WG to give a flying fuck about me in anyway, just as I don't expect my Builder or Plumber to do so. Enquire, book, confirm, turn up as agreed, pay, punt and fuck off, it really can be this easy if the WG is a good WG.

[LLPunting]

So who is the SP that everyone should be avoiding?  Getting back to the point of this site and what not.   
I don't care about OP replying, anyone else who isn't a fluffy, EAS addled punter who had the misfortune to have witnessed the original "drama" or couldn't help but nosey out the crucial detail?

[AnthG]

I don't care about OP replying, anyone else who isn't a fluffy, EAS addled punter who had the misfortune to have witnessed the original "drama" or couldn't help but nosey out the crucial detail?

No EAS whatsoever thank you.

This topic was born out of me being pissed off for being messed around and wanting to post a review on it but cannot.

[LLPunting]

No EAS whatsoever thank you.

This topic was born out of me being pissed off for being messed around and wanting to post a review on it but cannot.

The fact you started a moaney thread about a rejection means you are very much in EAS land, as does denial.   

[AnthG]

The fact you started a moaney thread about a rejection means you are very much in EAS land, as does denial.   

That is your interpretation of it, but the thread was a moany thread that I cannot post a review on it.

[Daffodil]

Oh, so close to a booking Anth but no cigar  so no review as dems the rules 

But very frustrating and just post as a discussion/rant/ / /whinge in whichever is the regional thread. Clearly messed about. Will make you feel better and the rest of us something to read when it kicks off.

[waynekerr600]

No EAS whatsoever thank you.

This topic was born out of me being pissed off for being messed around and wanting to post a review on it but cannot.

Hasn't it been suggested you add a note to the end of your previous review to warn others she's a time waster?

You won't even reveal her name in this thread which seems very odd when you seem to imply you were prepared to do a negative review if rules allowed.

[jesse4585]

So who is the SP that everyone should be avoiding?  Getting back to the point of this site and what not.   
I don't care about OP replying, anyone else who isn't a fluffy, EAS addled punter who had the misfortune to have witnessed the original "drama" or couldn't help but nosey out the crucial detail?

99% sure he means Scarlet, here's his positive, https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=223127.0

AnthG,
sorry you were messed about buddy.  You're obviously honest & want the best for people.  I see Smiths didnt ask for you to be banned or even attack you after you openly admired to white knighting.  Normally if there's one thing Smiths can't abide it's a white knight, so this goes to show you're well liked here.  But yeah, don't let your caring side go too far. A few of the best WG's might care back @ you a little,  but generally like Marmalde says, it's punters here who are you mates, and generally it's best to think WG's just see punters as £cash machines. Better luck next time. 

[OakTree]

I rarely get the ambiguity about a booking some obviously get. I never go down the email route and book on the day. I’ll either text or ring and request if they are available today at X o’clock for Y long. It’s either yes or no. They might come back saying they can do an hour before or after and then it’s yes or no from me.

[daviemac]

99% sure he means Scarlet, here's his positive, https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=223127.0

Have you ever though about what if it just so happens not to be her?? Did you not notice even those who were fairly certain who it was didn't name her because they couldn't be absolutely sure. Only the OP really knows who he's referring to. In my opinion it pays not to speculate.

On your other points, I don't know why you are bringing Smiths into it, posting an opinion on his behalf and suggesting he would ask for someone to be banned. As a mod on here I take a very dim view of members asking for others to be banned. The way it works is if someone is suspected of being a white knight then it gets reported as such and mods / admin either collectively or, in extreme cases, individually decide on the appropriate action. As is the case with any post report.

On the white knight issue be careful because thing have been brought up about Anth on this thread that happened way before you even joined.

Just curious, do you actually have any opinions of your own.   

[Clattypats]

I rarely get the ambiguity about a booking some obviously get. I never go down the email route and book on the day. I’ll either text or ring and request if they are available today at X o’clock for Y long. It’s either yes or no. They might come back saying they can do an hour before or after and then it’s yes or no from me.

Everyone has a different means to how they book... Sometimes I'll book on the day, sometimes I'll book in advance, by email... Pretty much 'horses for courses'...

[jesse4585]

Have you ever though about what if it just so happens not to be her?? Did you not notice even those who were fairly certain who it was didn't name her because they couldn't be absolutely sure. Only the OP really knows who he's referring to.

I did notice that & normally I'd not speculate on that sort of this, but leave it to the OP to answer if at all.  But LLP specifically said he wanted others to answer, not the OP,  so I thought it would be ok. I thought the chances of a wrong guess causing any harm to punters or the WG were very low.  If Im not banned for my recklessness I'll try to be more careful with my speculation.

Just curious, do you actually have any opinions of your own.   

Loads, & I used to be very self confident about them, thinking my guesses & speculation are better than other peoples facts.  With age I've came to see I'm no where near as smart as it superficially appeared,  so with some exceptions, I tend to place a lot of weight on the opinions of folk more experienced than me. If you think its bad form for me to repeat things veteran members have said, then I'll try not to in future. It might mean I have less to say,  but I guess that's no great loss.

[daviemac]

Loads, & I used to be very self confident about them, thinking my guesses & speculation are better than other peoples facts.  With age I've came to see I'm no where near as smart as it superficially appeared,  so with some exceptions, I tend to place a lot of weight on the opinions of folk more experienced than me. If you think its bad form for me to repeat things veteran members have said, then I'll try not to in future. It might mean I have less to say,  but I guess that's no great loss.

I could be very wrong but I don't recall Smiths ever asking for someone to be banned?

Perhaps you should look at how you word things, "there's one thing Smiths can't abide" is stating his opinion as fact on his behalf, whereas "Smiths has posted in the past he can't abide" is repeating something he has said. It might just be that his opinion of white knights is not relevant to this situation and that is why he didn't mention it.

Pedantic maybe, but the two are vastly different.

LLP asked for those who had witnessed the drama, that happened in 2016, or those who managed to get the info, to pass on who it refereed to, I didn't see any request for speculation.

[jesse4585]

I could be very wrong but I don't recall Smiths ever asking for someone to be banned?

Perhaps you should look at how you word things, "there's one thing Smiths can't abide" is stating his opinion as fact on his behalf, whereas "Smiths has posted in the past he can't abide" is repeating something he has said. It might just be that his opinion of white knights is not relevant to this situation and that is why he didn't mention it.

Pedantic maybe, but the two are vastly different.

LLP asked for those who had witnessed the drama, that happened in 2016, or those who managed to get the info, to pass on who it refereed to, I didn't see any request for speculation.

LLP said  " witnessed the original "drama" or couldn't help but nosey out the crucial detail?"   
I took ''nosey out' to mean guess, so I thought my sort of input was invited.

I've searched a few times for the phrase "white knight" as I wanted to be sure what it means round here.  My Mum taught me to chivalrous so I wanted to know where the line is drawn, don't want to be banned as one myself!  From the searches there seemed no doubt Smiths doesn't like white knights, and that generally he very much welcomes them being banned.

But yes,  I didn't see any cases of him openly asking for one to be banned, so as you say I guess I was a little careless in my wording there.  I brought Smiths into it as it looked like AnthG might be feeling a little bad, & also had one or two attacking him.  I thought if I said he looked like a good bloke it would be near meaningless as I'm little more than a newbie.  I though it would mean more if I suggested even Smiths seemed to be giving him special consideration.

That said, I hear what you're saying,  and will try hard in future not to put words into other posters mouths, or to make unwise speculation, especially when it concerns past events before my time.

[Moby Dick]

Have you ever though about what if it just so happens not to be her?? Did you not notice even those who were fairly certain who it was didn't name her because they couldn't be absolutely sure. Only the OP really knows who he's referring to. In my opinion it pays not to speculate.

To avoid misunderstandings it’s always best to get confirmation rather than to speculate.
Wonder if OP will respond in the next 5 days 

[scutty brown]

jesse4585
You're getting boring.
If you want to know what a white knight is, read PuntingWiki
External Link/Members Only

White Knight: Popular internet slang for a forum member that rushes to a defend a prostitute after she has been poorly reviewed. He might not have seen her or could be a pimp.

[Al R]

I rarely get the ambiguity about a booking some obviously get. I never go down the email route and book on the day. I’ll either text or ring and request if they are available today at X o’clock for Y long. It’s either yes or no. They might come back saying they can do an hour before or after and then it’s yes or no from me.

I occasionally punt on the day but more often than not I want to see a specific wg, not whoever is available on the day - which, if she’s popular same day can prove difficult.

I will use email if no number is available but if the wg is on the ball it’s two emails, three at most to set up and agree a booking, then a confirmation on the day.

Even booking in advance or by email needn’t be difficult or time consuming.

[AnthG]

I see Smiths didn't ask for you to be banned or even attack you after you openly admired to white knighting.

I actually carefully chose my words when I said that. I said if anyone else ever does it.

It would be good for anyone inclined bookmarking this thread to highlight the uselessness of ever sicking up for / white knighting WGs. As they don't show it back.

I admitted in the other post to sticking up for WGs because I believed their argument over crazy Mia's (notice the crazy part of her name she is batshit-crazy, which it later come out, Mia is a delusional nutcase). You could argue sticking up for someone is white knighting. But I think White Knighting is different from sticking up from someone, male or female.

Anyway, I have said two times, I am done with the topic and don't need to post anymore in it. But just like Al Pacino in the Godfather, just when I think I am out, it pulls me back in.