Exceptional Emily

[vorian]

Interesting case this, she is an extremely articulate lady, her written word is exceptional, her feed back on Adultwork is also good, some of her clients have a good track record so are not made up and tend to be very honest, we have met similar ladies over the years. Why would she go to so much trouble explaining herself if it were all a lie?

I'm sorry Vorian, on this one I think she may be totally genuine. I would like to hear his side of the story.............but as it stands, from the evidence as I see it, I believe Emily, I also hasten to add I have never met or spoken to either party.

May I ask apart from her word, what evidence is there that is anything more than superficial, I have already disproven one of her claims about Lulu25, please read all of Tim's posts and threads it is not that many and ask yourself does he seem like a pimp who has created a persona on this site to purely attack (Rather weakly) Emily or is he more likely to be a genuine punter who reported an honest negative.

How many prossies come on this site and ask for a bad review to be removed quoting all sorts of lies. It happens time and time and time again. I for one would rather give the benefit of the doubt to a punter before a prossie but maybe thats just me. No one is saying that Emily does not have some good "AW" feedback but I'm am talking about her UKP review by Tim. If he wanted to attack her for some sort of revenge surely he would have attacked with more vigor.

There is no evidence apart from her word that he has anything to do with this agency, everything else she accused him of could have easily been picked up off UKP without a lot of effort. Why does the word of a prossie with a bad review suddenly carry more weight than a punter.   

[timmyshorny]

To be honest I've read this thread and as I have told vorian my wife is in hospital so don't see why I should take the time to defend myself when I've done nothing but ask for advice and submit a review. Right now I'd rather be looking after my wife. I'll worry about punting once she is well.  As for Emily I know what happened and simply wanted to share my frustration at being let down.

[vorian]

To be honest I've read this thread and as I have told vorian my wife is in hospital so don't see why I should take the time to defend myself when I've done nothing but ask for advice and submit a review. Right now I'd rather be looking after my wife. I'll worry about punting once she is well.  As for Emily I know what happened and simply wanted to share my frustration at being let down.

I can confirm Tim told me that by PM last week, I did not want to raise it as it was a confidential PM. That might help explain part of my frustration with the word of a prossie been taken over that of a punter.

[mattylondon]

I can confirm Tim told me that by PM last week, I did not want to raise it as it was a confidential PM. That might help explain part of my frustration with the word of a prossie been taken over that of a punter.

I do find it strange for this particular prossie to be so upset by what I thought was a pretty lame negative review. No disrespect to Tim but he didn't really say anything that bad!

It did make me wonder if there's some kind of 'history' going on here and that she used this as an attempt to settle scores. This is what I refer to as a 'ring of truth'. That is, they know each other in some way? Who knows.

If I was her, I wouldn't have bothered and let the good feedback on Adultwork speak for itself. Even if we know that in reality, Adultwork feedback never tells the full story about any prossie because the odds are so ridiculously stacked in their favour.

[timmyshorny]

Well I find it strange tbh as I've never met her face to face but I have now only seen 2 girls I don't know why she has taken offence but my experience and frustration still stand and I wish her all the best but right now I have greater concerns and guilt with my wife being Ill.

[vorian]

I do find it strange for this particular prossie to be so upset by what I thought was a pretty lame negative review. No disrespect to Tim but he didn't really say anything that bad!

It did make me wonder if there's some kind of 'history' going on here and that she used this as an attempt to settle scores. This is what I refer to as a 'ring of truth'. That is, they know each other in some way? Who knows.

If I was her, I wouldn't have bothered and let the good feedback on Adultwork speak for itself. Even if we know that in reality, Adultwork feedback never tells the full story about any prossie because the odds are in their favour.

To be honest Matty and imho I think it was less the review that upset her but the follow up posts on the thread from a number of people me included,  which were far harsher in reality than the review. I have spent a lot of time on PM with Tim since he joined and I have no doubt that he was a virgin punter when he joined with no experience.  I do not believe he is a pimp with an agenda and as I have said if you look at his posts I think that shows.

[mattylondon]

Well I find it strange tbh as I've never met her face to face but I have now only seen 2 girls I don't know why she has taken offence but my experience and frustration still stand and I wish her all the best but right now I have greater concerns and guilt with my wife being Ill.

Fair play mate but I wasn't aware of your personal circumstances.

[mattylondon]

I do not believe he is a pimp with an agenda and as I have said if you look at his posts I think that shows.

That takes a very active imagination to come up with such a story, don't you think? Then what's her agenda? To coin a phrase, she's exceptionally stupid if she made all of that up?! Perhaps she should concentrate on getting better pictures and putting up a realistic age, than worry about one person saying she's a time waster.

I do think that sometimes, these snitch punters who inform them about this forum do them no favours at all.

[vorian]

That takes a very active imagination to come up with such a story, don't you think? Then what's her agenda? To coin a phrase, she's exceptionally stupid if she made all of that up?! Perhaps she should concentrate on getting better pictures and putting up a realistic age, than worry about one person saying she's a time waster.

I do think that sometimes, these snitch punters who inform them about this forum do them no favours at all.

Well on her profile she is directing people to see this thread and she has managed to put enough doubt in people's minds so the original review, follow up comments and the honesty of the reviewer is now a matter of debate. So from that point of view her agenda has succeeded. I note she has logged on since her last post but decided not to comment further, a prossie is silent whilst a punter is expected to defend and explain himself again quite a successful way to negate the original review.

[timmyshorny]

If she's having these problems I feel sorry for her I really do. But they have nothing to do with me I wrote an honest review about my frustrations. I will pick up this thread as soon as my wife has her results and I am home it's difficult to do on mobile.

[mattylondon]

Well on her profile she is directing people to see this thread and she has managed to put enough doubt in people's minds so the original review, follow up comments and the honesty of the reviewer is now a matter of debate. So from that point of view her agenda has succeeded. I note she has logged on since her last post but decided not to comment further, a prossie is silent whilst a punter is expected to defend and explain himself again quite a successful way to negate the original review.

Yes Vorian, but only until it's proved otherwise and then a whole load of shit is going to be tipped on her, if untrue. And then we'd see that convenient link removed sharpish, wouldn't we?

[James999]

I am home it's difficult to do on mobile.

Only one question really and it's either a YES / NO

Do you run / organise / anything to do with that other escorting site / AW group she used to belong to ?


YES
NO

[Mr Kent (Not AW)]

What I cannot understand is why "Tim" gave such a glowing review on AW on the 24th January for Lulu but she gave him no feedback whatsoever, I would have thought a newbie would have wanted feedback.

If I was in hospital waiting for test results for a loved one the last thing I would be doing was commenting on this thread.

[vorian]

What I cannot understand is why "Tim" gave such a glowing review on AW on the 24th January for Lulu but she gave him no feedback whatsoever, I would have thought a newbie would have wanted feedback.

If I was in hospital waiting for test results for a loved one the last thing I would be doing was commenting on this thread.

I note from her profile Lulu25 does not seem bothered by AW bookings as prior to Tim's one her last AW FB was from 23.07.13 and she also did not give that punter any FB. I also told Tim by PM at the time that she had not logged on for a couple of weeks prior to him booking and to text. She seems to prefer text with follow up phone calls. Last time she logged on was 19.03.14. Again she is not a heavy AW user apart from the advertising profile. Again have a look at her profile and you will see that. She was also the first prossy he had seen so of course as a newbie he would be a bit fluffed up with his review.

I do not know for sure as to Tim's state of mind regarding why he wants to comment on this thread, maybe because people were asking why he had not replied in an accusing manner.

[mattylondon]

Only one question really and it's either a YES / NO

Do you run / organise / anything to do with that other escorting site / AW group she used to belong to ?


YES
NO

That is the main question for Tim, in my mind. And he has chosen not to address it. And it is this which makes me wonder?

If the answer is no, then she is lying but if the answer is yes, then what she's saying has credibility. It just doesn't make any sense to me, for her to concoct that whole story about him being a pimp? It isn't anything I can recall a prossie coming on here and posting. 

[vorian]

That is the main question for Tim, in my mind. 

Totally agree and a fair question to ask for clarity. I just hope when he answers, a punters word will be believe over a prossie's again. I would not expect a quick answer though. Just as well the entertainment on the PN channel is so good tonight 

If anyone would know if it has happened before, James will. Saying that if it has not happened before it is a good defense that will no doubt be used again. I can't help thinking if Tim had responded straight away telling her to fuck off, a vacuum would not have been created which has been filled with doubt. 

[mattylondon]

Totally agree and a fair question to ask for clarity. I just hope when he answers, a punters word will be believe over a prossie's again. I would not expect a quick answer though. Just as well the entertainment on the PN channel is so good tonight 

If anyone would know if it has happened before, James will.

And no subscription required.  Chloe Piss face in meltdown mode, with mouth frothing is a joy to behold! Such a wonderful cunt.   

But the OP really needs to answer what is a simple question. Let's clear it up. Is he a pimp? Yes or No?

[timmyshorny]

Right I am home from the hospital for a few hours. The simple answer is No. I have never been a pimp, or run any websites or any kind. I came on this site to find support on my first booking which happened to be with a girl which tbh I didn't know had any association with Emily, I didn't push lulu for feedback as tbh I knew if my missus had gained access to my account I had deleted all the emails so she would just see I had an account not that I had seen a escort and after reading a few threads on here. I thought it may be best not to get any feedback for that reason. I wanted sex and a fun time not a divorce and knew this way I would be in the dog house but not looking at loosing my business and home. I saw lulu under the advice of someone on here. I did not find her myself originally I wanted to see someone else and I had a good time hence the review, the second girl I saw I booked via their on profile phone number and she was just average so I didn't see a point in writing a review, then Emily did not show so was annoyed at the response I got from her not showing up so wrote a review. The problem is I have been unable to come on and reply straight away as the missus has had a few ops over the last few weeks and is due to have another one, so i have had to be there for her and she no matter what i do in my sex life will always be my priority.

[timmyshorny]

What I cannot understand is why "Tim" gave such a glowing review on AW on the 24th January for Lulu but she gave him no feedback whatsoever, I would have thought a newbie would have wanted feedback.

If I was in hospital waiting for test results for a loved one the last thing I would be doing was commenting on this thread.

To be honest ive waiting in the hospital all day for the last few days I came on here to give myself a mental break away, that is all really. I just needed something to take my mind away from what's happening there. It may seem strange to people that I answered from hospital but to be honest any break away at the moment is a break away. Just my phone is so slow with typing I couldn't really answer properly there.

[James999]

The simple answer is No.

That's all that's relevant, now just down to Emily to explain why she links you to that website / AW group 

[timmyshorny]

That's all that's relevant, now just down to Emily to explain why she links you to that website / AW group etc 

I have no idea how she's connected me but tbh i do feel sorry for her if she is having problems with an old agency, but for me i just came on here to firstly calm nerves about punting and get advice, and i stayed on here to actually have people i can talk to about punting who don't know me or my wife personally so i can safely talk without the risk of ruining my marriage.

[timmyshorny]

To be honest as I've said to Vorian over personal mail, I don't want any hassle from this girl so for the time being, I have deactivated my adultwork account. This whole issue has really put me off adultwork. I think in future I will just book via text from girls who display their numbers it seems easier and less for my wife to potentially find and i can talk to them straight away. I am still not sure what the best way to book a girl is but if i find this approach any more difficult i will go back to using an account.

[mattylondon]

To be honest as I've said to Vorian over personal mail, I don't want any hassle from this girl so for the time being, I have deactivated my adultwork account. This whole issue has really put me off adultwork. I think in future I will just book via text from girls who display their numbers it seems easier and less for my wife to potentially find and i can talk to them straight away. I am still not sure what the best way to book a girl is but if i find this approach any more difficult i will go back to using an account.

There are many ways to get around your problem with Adultwork and forums Tim.

[timmyshorny]

There are many ways to get around your problem with Adultwork and forums Tim.

Problem is i don't really understand the adultwork system and just log on to search mainly and get a number. I have dropped the odd message or two however its not really a used account and just don't want to be on the receiving end of abuse from this girl.

[mattylondon]

Problem is i don't really understand the adultwork system and just log on to search mainly and get a number. I have dropped the odd message or two however its not really a used account and just don't want to be on the receiving end of abuse from this girl.

The best thing is to start a clean slate and employ trusted methods so that nobody will ever link you to your forum name.

[James999]

I have no idea how she's connected me but tbh

Well hopefully she will explain, and if she's fucked up she will probably offer you a discount to make up for it 

[timmyshorny]

The best thing is to start a clean slate and employ trusted methods so that nobody will ever link you to your forum name.

Good plan.

[timmyshorny]

Well hopefully she will explain, and if she's fucked up she will probably offer you a discount to make up for it 

To be honest I'd be happy to meet her for a coffee so she can see I am not the person, however I wouldn't book her now even if it was a freebie.

[mattylondon]

To be honest I'd be happy to meet her for a coffee so she can see I am not the person, however I wouldn't book her now even if it was a freebie.

Better you don't reveal who you are in real life. They're a sneeky bunch, these prossies with secret little photo's and such like.

[timmyshorny]

Better you don't reveal who you are in real life. They're a sneeky bunch, these prossies with secret little photo's and such like.

Oh good point tbh didn't think of that was just thinking very linear of showing her i'm not the same man.

[OldAdmin]

I only know of one instance when a negative review turned out to be posted by a bitter pimp against a girl that had left him.
In that case the evidence was compelling, but even before he posted his revenge review James999 had sensed that he was not a genuine punter.

But here it's a case of the prossie either making a cockup in accusing timmyshorny or she is posting lies to discredit his review.

[timmyshorny]

I only know of one instance when a negative review turned out to be posted by a bitter pimp.
In that case the evidence was compelling, but even before he posted his revenge review James999 had sensed that he was not a genuine punter.

But here it's a case of the prossie either making a cockup in accusing timmyshorny or she is posting lies to discredit his review.

To be honest as i've said if she is having issues I feel sorry for the girl, but she's made a major cockup. Tbh I didn't see what was too wrong with the review I found her approach rude in cancelling/not showing, it was as simple as that for me.

[Tjkooker]

Well Timmy. Looks like the dog you booked tried to bite the hand that feeds. Lesson should be don't book a dog.

[timmyshorny]

Well Timmy. Looks like the dog you booked tried to bite the hand that feeds. Lesson should be don't book a dog.

Well I learnt a lesson about adultwork through this so guess that's a positive.

[Berks Bloke 32]

Absolute bollocks Emily, you just have to read back through Tim's posts on here

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=22686.msg335278#msg335278

For example you say that one of Tim's girls Lulu25 was given a good review on here by him, Berks Bloke was the one to suggest Lulu25 before that Tim never mentioned her. SO Berks Bloke must be in on it as well.

If he was going to slander you why not go the full hog and say in his review that you gave a bad service, it merely said you were a TW in fact his review was quite tame.

I admit you are a clever one to come up with such a story or perhaps someone else did it for you. You fucked a punter around with a booking, you got caught out and found yourself on UKP, that you did not like as you know it will affect your business.

Sorry, I have been away a lot on business recently and came across this when I was catching up on what's been going on. Thanks Vorian for defending the innocent parties involved here. I just don't understand this girl's problems, surely if you have someone taking money from your account your first port of call is to contact your bank and the police to raise a fraud case.

The only reason not to do this is if you are engaged in an illegal activity which if she is keeping her escorting above board it's not going to be a problem for her, working for an agency (pimp) is not illegal it is being the pimp that is illegal. The only worry she will have is if she is evading tax payments which HMRC take VERY seriously. (know your law when it comes to dealing with escorts!!!)

Also as far as I recall, slander is spoken libel is in written or print form (sorry my OCD kicking in there)

As is said by Vorian, Timmy was looking for recommendations and actually was looking at another girl before I floated the idea of Lori/Lulu if I remember rightly the only reason that recommendation was taken was because another member on here seconded the suggestion. Now unless there is a mass conspiracy on here then the story just does not ring true.

How many times have we seen disgruntled ladies coming on here to vent, but last I recall this is a punters site for punters not for the working girls, the working girls who are on here are here because they add value to discussions but the bottom line is the punter.

One thing I would like to say though guys is I have seen quite a few venomous comments about this girl coming up in the discussion, don't lower yourself to that level, try to remain the bigger people, she has aired her view and I am sure the admins have seen her complaint yet it is still here so it looks like they don't find in favour of her case.

ok getting off of soapbox now, play nice everyone!!

[timmyshorny]

You would call the police or contact the bank for fraud you wouldn't put up with money going from an account, sounds odd to me either she's a bit stupid which I doubt from her letter on here or she is trying to gain sympathy. Maybe escorts should hold there hands up and say you know what that scenario was my fault what can I do to better the way I work. I'm glad I went on your advice for my first time Berksbloke lulu/Lori was lovely. But in regards to Emily how the hell are you meant to know when girls know each other especially when here profile is not a old one it's fairly new and I had never seen her on here or aw before.?? But tbh re reading her posts I don't know what to make of it she says her ex pimp wasn't nasty but takes money from her account could understand her being too frightened to do anything if he beat her etc but makes me believe the money part is at least untrue

[James999]

she's a bit stupid

She clearly is stupid as otherwise she would have stopped the Direct debit / standing order, and if she has linked you incorrectly to a website / AW group then further proof of her stupidity 

[timmyshorny]

She clearly is stupid as otherwise she would have stopped the Direct debit / standing order, and if she has linked you incorrectly to a website / AW group then further proof of her stupidity 

Who knows, but tell you what if she has made up this story maybe she should go into writing instead of escorting.

[vorian]

Who knows, but tell you what if she has made up this story maybe she should go into writing instead of escorting.

She's not stupid,  what's the one thing a lot of UKP members dislike more than a unreliable prossie. A pimp particularly once who threatens and harrases prossies. No one has or will have a clue about who set up that agency thus can't prove anything. Easy for her to accuse anyone of that, everything else she said means nothing as it cannot be proven or disproven and she knows that.

Important to remember imho that not all prossies are thick, not all just come on here and rant/rave about a bad review some are more intelligent and conniving.

[timmyshorny]

As I've said before if she is going through theses problems I feel sorry for her but surely money can only come out of your bank if you let it. So surely if it's not authorised she should goto the police or her bank and sort it as Berksbloke said that's fraud. But reading over it that's the part I doubt tbh you wouldn't let money go from your bank without doing something about it but then only she knows the truth

[Mr Kent (Not AW)]

Well I find it strange tbh as I've never met her face to face but I have now only seen 2 girls I don't know why she has taken offence but my experience and frustration still stand and I wish her all the best but right now I have greater concerns and guilt with my wife being Ill.

I understand your point "Tim", but why when you are so concerned with grief about your wife being ill yesterday you were trying to contact Dee Light for a meet yesterday morning as per another post put on the forum?

[vorian]

I understand your point "Tim", but why when you are so concerned with grief about your wife being ill yesterday you were trying to contact Dee Light for a meet yesterday morning as per another post put on the forum?

What business is it of anyones how someone punts or conducts their personal life, you don't know Tim anymore than anyone does on here. How someone deals with their punting is up to them. Hardly the place to deal with the morality of punting and those who do it whilst in relationships.

I can only assume that your question is a veiled attempt to suggest that Tim is lying about this and hence also lying about Emily, your choice of course what you say, but I find it a bit sad that you would rather take the word of a prossie over that of a punter and ultimately without any real evidence that's what it comes down to.

[lovelybum]

I'm having trouble inserting my screenshot into this, if someone could kindly tell me how I will.

I hope it will then at least dispute that 'Tim' text me on the second occasion and therefore discredit his word and the original review.

As for the money, in December 'Tim' or Mark I will call him because yes I cannot prove they are the same person, said he had no bank card, to pay the subscription and the website would be taken down. Being the kind person I am I said he could use mine. Please do not comment how stupid this was, I know this.

It was not a direct debit or standing order, it was a card payment. He never said anything about it coming out monthly after I let him use it for that first payment.

As I said I noticed the monthly subscription going out and told him, he gave me the money that had been taken out, apologised to me and said he had taken my card details off the billing information.

When I noticed yet another payment had gone out, I got angry and told him stop it. This was when I received the second booking request from 'Tim'.

Again if someone can tell me how to put my screenshot up I will.

Emily x

[OldAdmin]

Piss of you lying bitch.

[vorian]

Piss of you lying bitch.

Well said 

Of course I'm sure people just hand out credit card details to near strangers on a regular basis. I can also make up texts as well to prove anything I want and as Emily said she cannot prove they are the same person anyway.

[timmyshorny]

I understand your point "Tim", but why when you are so concerned with grief about your wife being ill yesterday you were trying to contact Dee Light for a meet yesterday morning as per another post put on the forum?

No I simply told another member to try calling  as he said he couldn't get through by text he pm me after to say discuss whether it was right to call I didn't not attempt to book anyone simple as that .

[vorian]

I understand your point "Tim", but why when you are so concerned with grief about your wife being ill yesterday you were trying to contact Dee Light for a meet yesterday morning as per another post put on the forum?

I have just read Tim's post from yesterday, I suggest you read it again yourself and then make your comment about it on here. 

[timmyshorny]

I am totally confused by everything now. Time for a coffee.

[a10]

tried calling her? maybe she will pick up?

That's it. That's all Timmy wrote on the Dee thread.

Hardly evil or conspicuous is it? There's a few other posts (that I'm too lazy to copy) on another thread but they seem like passing the time on UKP. Which we've all done I'm sure. Talking about maybe booking a WG. Nothing confirmed or discretising to Timmy.

Another skank caught out. What about the fluffies and the white knights though?

[timmyshorny]

my fault for not writing full sentences I guess.