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Offline Moby Dick

I’ve noticed that when I use the word prossie or Pro$$ies it is auto corrected to Sex Worker.
Is this a censor function of UKP?
When did this happen, have I missed a memo?

Thought I’d check if Other combinations are acceptable:
Pros$ie
prosssie
Pro$$$ie
Pro55ie
 :D

Any one else being auto censored?
Any other words that will be auto corrected?


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Rock on.

This has been discussed umpteen times since the Admin hand over.  :cool:

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I’ve noticed that when I use the word Sex Worker or Sex Workers it is auto corrected to Sex Worker.
Is this a censor function of UKP?
When did this happen, have I missed a memo?

Thought I’d check if Other combinations are acceptable:


Any one else being auto censored?
Any other words that will be auto corrected?

Why do you feel the need to find ways round any auto-sensor that might have been put in place on the site by the new Admin.   :unknown:

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Offline Moby Dick

Rock on.

This has been discussed umpteen times since the Admin hand over.  :cool:
Must have missed this, was away for over a month.
Got the links?

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Must have missed this, was away for over a month.
Got the links?

Nope. There wasn’t a discussion as such. He just said he didn’t like the word. Some people thought he was joking or that it was simply a bug. A few protested. Nik was outraged. Most fell in line.

It’s a mystery.  :unknown:

Offline Moby Dick

Why do you feel the need to find ways round any auto-sensor that might have been put in place on the site by the new Admin.   :unknown:
Curiosity since I am really surprised that there is a need to autosensor. :unknown:
I don’t think I have ever been censored before.
At first I thought it was predictive text on my phone.
I then wondered if it was just me since I saw someone else using this word yesterday so I thought it may just be me, or new, hence my question to understand why.
Anyhow if this topic/other autocensor words has been covered on other threads then please delete this one.

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Here’s the story in brief from my correspondence:

In June I wrote to Head1 (“moderator/site owner”):
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Dear Head1,

Nice to see someone has taken a load off A—— even if we are all respectfully sorry to see him go. I hope your teething problems are getting sorted.

Sorry to bother you, but could you enlighten us as to the reason for autocorrect on the shortened form of the word ‘prostitute’? The discussion is dragging on a bit (in the ‘New Feature’ thread).

I think it might be better to clear it up than have people imagining all sorts of things...

Kind regards

Marmalade

Head1 (“moderator/site owner”) PM’d me:
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“There's nothing sinister with the auto correct I will make a statement when sorted.”

As far as I know Head1 has never made a statement on it.

A couple of days later I was corresponding with Up The Manor (“Admin”) with some unrelated heads up UKP background material I hoped would be helpful. Not distinguishing between Admin and Owner, I rounded off a longish message with:
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Hope all that maybe helps.

Now I'll go back and wind you up over the auto-censored word a wee bit if that's ok (it'll have more of an impact that way when you fix it and it might even smoke out those that are allergic to your authority!)

Regards

M

Much as I quite like the word p******, I don’t find the term sex worker objectionable. What worries me a bit is the apparent censorship, but if it was just a bug in the works rather than an attempt at censorship, fine. I thought it might even be useful in separating arse-lickers from free-thinkers.

Nik, our Founder, was similarly outraged (especially when he couldn’t even describe the problem because of autocensor). As Nik said, it’s the sort of thing this site was created to avoid.

Personally I felt it would maybe be better just to say for instance that ‘sex worker’ will be a preferred term ‘in line with international usage’ (or whatever) rather than autocensor. Mods would tick people off if they used it but people’s posts wouldn’t be redacted.

Meanwhile it was a very simple matter to have my keyboard to autocorrect p****** to the same word with a Greek letter o.

(One way to guess if the term is the result of autocensor is to see if it is capitalised — people rarely capitalise it of their own accord but autocensor does.)

All this was done in a friendly manner with the knowledge of Head1/UpTheManor (unless they don’t speak to each other.) if it were a bug in the system then no harm was done.

Yesterday, Up The Manor (“Admin”) PM’d me:
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“Say Sex Worker one more time. See where it gets you.”

I’ve never been censored before. What is even stranger is not that the word is blanked out but that it is replaced with words that I didn’t write. It seems the same thing happens to Admin, and I have to work out what I think he meant rather than what he wrote. (I am still assuming it is ‘he’ unless corrected.)

I replied:
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“just tried it using Preview and overriding my autocorrect. Nothing’s changed. Sex Worker stays as Sex Worker, p***** with an omicron stays as p***** and when spelt with an English o changes to Sex Worker.

So if you’ve tried to iron out the bug it hasn’t taken effect yet.”

Up The Manor (“Admin”) replied:
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“Thanks for the info. But what I meant was, try it again I’m the forum and you’re banned. Clear?”

There has still been no rational explanation given of which I’m aware. Maybe it is even a bug but Admin/Owner wants to make a display of authority. Maybe I was inadvertently saying something so fundamentally awful that it has to be redacted to stop the site being closed down. Who knows.

I do think a clear statement from Head1 would be a great benefit. Or even putting it in the rules. But it’s not my site. Maybe it is the only censorship we’ll see. Maybe as Nik has suggested, it will be a sign of things to come until we’re more like the old P-Net. But now it’s clear that, in the first time in UKP’s history, there is censorship. As far as I know it only relates to one word. But all previous and future posts are affected.

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Seems a tad extreme threatening to ban someone over one word.

I can understand that they want to draw a line under the censorship and stop people challenging it.

It’s their train set, they make the rules and obviously we have to abide by them, however petty they may seem to us...

Imagine if someone started a thread saying they wanted to ban the term whore, as like me they didn’t like it. They would be torn to shreds, called a troll and many other things.

The line has been drawn and we just need to accept it  :unknown:
« Last Edit: August 10, 2019, 03:13:15 pm by Kev40ish »

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Here’s the story in brief from my correspondence:
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There has still been no rational explanation given of which I’m aware. Maybe it is even a bug but Admin/Owner wants to make a display of authority. Maybe I was inadvertently saying something so fundamentally awful that it has to be redacted to stop the site being closed down. Who knows.

I do think a clear statement from Head1 would be a great benefit. Or even putting it in the rules. But it’s not my site. Maybe it is the only censorship we’ll see. Maybe as Nik has suggested, it will be a sign of things to come until we’re more like the old P-Net. But now it’s clear that, in the first time in UKP’s history, there is censorship. As far as I know it only relates to one word. But all previous and future posts are affected.
Excuse me Marm but Up The Manor (admin) did say that he simply didnt like the word in the "New Forum Feature" topic
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=251791.msg2578846#msg2578846
Personally id be more worried if they banned the word whore , banning the P word dosnt seem like an indicator of political correctness imho.

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Excuse me Marm but Up The Manor (admin) did say that he simply didnt like the word in the "New Forum Feature" topic
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=251791.msg2578846#msg2578846
Personally id be more worried if they banned the word whore , banning the P word dosnt seem like an indicator of political correctness imho.

The problem is everyone has some words they don’t like. Like you I’m not one for banning anything. The word whore was chosen at random to illustrate what people would say if they asked on a post for a particular word to be banned..

I would be first in line telling them to grow up and live in the real world, obviously using much stronger language and reporting them for being a troll..

Obviously Admin has a problem with the word, so I just won’t use it. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t highlight what I thought of the censorship.
« Last Edit: August 10, 2019, 03:46:57 pm by Kev40ish »

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Here’s the story in brief from my correspondence:

I always thought of the shortened form of the word prostitute was akin to mates talk. Alas, along with life in the real world, things change and as inappropriate as the abbreviation may be to some, sex worker is to me. I'm here because I pay prostitutes to fuck me, when the time and inclination takes me. I can describe in frank detail her tongue licking my arsehole, sucking my balls, deep throating my cock and swallowing my spunk. It's perfectly acceptable to describe fucking a woman in a variety of places, positions and holes. Married men indulging in every sexual fantasy with every type of female imaginable, the young the old, the fat the thin, those with cocks...

It seems a small price to pay to indulge in such freedom of expression, where the only restriction is a prostitute is a prostitute, a word which must not be abbreviated.

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Excuse me Marm but Up The Manor (admin) did say that he simply didnt like the word in the "New Forum Feature" topic
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=251791.msg2578846#msg2578846
Personally id be more worried if they banned the word whore , banning the P word dosnt seem like an indicator of political correctness imho.

Read my post carefully and you’ll see that’s not a problem. He could have, or could now, ask people not to use it or, especially for newcomers so they know where they stand, include some reference to it in the Rules. UKP has always prided itself on no censorship: any problems with language have been outlined in the Rules. Racist language is not allowed and everyone knows why. The cutoff levels of abusive language, such as calling someone a cunt, are clearly outlined. But even then, nobody’s posts are re-written by the autodictat. People break the rules, they get a ban, but what they wrote is never altered.

I’ve been continuously very supportive of the site, in my posts and privately or elsewhere, it’s an amazing site, unique and ethical; but this is the first time we have had idiosyncratic decisions placed on the foundations of UKP. I would never have had any difficulty explaining the sense behind Old Admin’s rules and decisions, whereas all any of us can say here is that “the boss doesn’t like it”. It’s a strange way to make a name for yourself, but if that’s the case then not only we have to live with enforced editing but also the boss has to live with his/her decision to run things that way. 

ISG censors some words. They end up with asterisks. P-Net would just delete the whole post as far as I recall.

But if you go back to the UKP discussions now you can’t even see what people wrote because their words have been changed. The most common, if inappropriate, reason attributed to the ban on the word is that it is out of respect to prostitutes. That’s the conclusion several members came to.

We can accept that Up The Manor has a quirky dislike for it and it rattles his or her cage. It was polite of him/her to warn me by PM (even if he/she had to use the phrase Sex Worker to warn me) but journalistically the autocensor is on a level with China, not the BBC. I don’t know of any Western country that re-writes a written contribution of someone else. But that is how it is. Perhaps one day every entry in UKP that has the phrase Sex Worker will be replaced by something else like ‘lady’. We’ll all become fluffier, whether we are or not, simply as the factual record of what you wrote will have been lost forever.

If new U.S.A. laws came into effect here, the site owners would become legally responsible for everything we said. But that would probably mean a lot more than a word that nobody else dislikes or finds offensive. Let’s hope the servers are still based in Europe.  :thumbsup:

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I don’t know of any Western country that re-writes a written contribution of someone else. But that is how it is.

That is how it is. This is a private forum so what can be written here (not just a particular word) is governed by what the site owner/admins allow.

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That is how it is. This is a private forum so what can be written here (not just a particular word) is governed by what the site owner/admins allow.

Totally agree, but everyone has a right to say if they think it’s a strange decision..

I think I’ll set up a thread saying I think we should ban the word whore because I don’t like it..

I wonder what people would be calling me!!!

Offline HumphryB

I said before in a previous thread on the same subject, but I'm just so not into censorship in any form. It breeds discontent at best and fear of "thought crime" at worst.Or worse. There is no need for it. Knowing a person's true feelings/thoughts/writing is invaluable and we are being denied that. Just to assuage someone's fee fees

Offline freeze44

So I get that some find it difficult that a certain word is no longer allowed but hey ho...suck it up or ship out.

Some of the rose tinted glasses stuff is silly. Old admin did a good job from what I saw but to say every decision was right is rubbish. To say there has never been any censorship before is also rubbish as it comes in all shapes and forms and in different ways. For example, banning someone is a form of it.

So I would say to those who feel so strongly about this one word issue...time to take it on the chin or move on. Since the new team have taken over I have noticed little has changed but sure things will and time will tell if that suites me or others.

It might be time for some to move on as things change...you will live and life will carry on! Really is time now to get over this point and lighten up!

Offline HumphryB

So I get that some find it difficult that a certain word is no longer allowed but hey ho...suck it up or ship out.

Some of the rose tinted glasses stuff is silly. Old admin did a good job from what I saw but to say every decision was right is rubbish. To say there has never been any censorship before is also rubbish as it comes in all shapes and forms and in different ways. For example, banning someone is a form of it.

So I would say to those who feel so strongly about this one word issue...time to take it on the chin or move on. Since the new team have taken over I have noticed little has changed but sure things will and time will tell if that suites me or others.

It might be time for some to move on as things change...you will live and life will carry on! Really is time now to get over this point and lighten up!

Am suckin it up man. This place has way more positives than negatives.  Also it's the manner in which the censorship is administered. Still like a grumble though and it's an issue I feel strongly about out with the punting universe too.  :hi:
« Last Edit: August 10, 2019, 07:20:01 pm by HumphryB »

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So I get that some find it difficult that a certain word is no longer allowed but hey ho...suck it up or ship out.

Some of the rose tinted glasses stuff is silly. Old admin did a good job from what I saw but to say every decision was right is rubbish. To say there has never been any censorship before is also rubbish as it comes in all shapes and forms and in different ways. For example, banning someone is a form of it.

So I would say to those who feel so strongly about this one word issue...time to take it on the chin or move on. Since the new team have taken over I have noticed little has changed but sure things will and time will tell if that suites me or others.

It might be time for some to move on as things change...you will live and life will carry on! Really is time now to get over this point and lighten up!

Just seems a bit strange the only person objecting to it is Up the Manor (Admin) maybe he is speaking for Head1 (Site Owner) or could be Head1s Admin name..

Who knows what the owner of the site thinks, but I’m sure he must have agreed it, whether he dislikes it we don’t really know.

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So I get that some find it difficult that a certain word is no longer allowed but hey ho...suck it up or ship out....

There are far more important things to think about in my life than whether an abbreviation is acceptable. My only niggle is the choice of replacement with the auto-censor "Sex Worker."

What is a sex worker? The nurse down the gum clinic? A social worker who fucks? Someone who works within the sex industry? A topless barmaid, the cameraman on a porn set, a Burlesque dancer?

Wherever I'm a guest I obey the house rules and use the appropriate language, depending on the company. Personally, I would have preferred the naughty word to have been corrected to prostitute.  :unknown:

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There are far more important things to think about in my life than whether an abbreviation is acceptable. My only niggle is the choice of replacement with the auto-censor "Sex Worker."

What is a sex worker? The nurse down the gum clinic? A social worker who fucks? Someone who works within the sex industry? A topless barmaid, the cameraman on a porn set, a Burlesque dancer?

Wherever I'm a guest I obey the house rules and use the appropriate language, depending on the company. Personally, I would have preferred the naughty word to have been corrected to prostitute.  :unknown:

fair enough and get where you and others coming from. As you say much more important things to get hung up on,

Offline HumphryB

To clarify. I in no way think we should be referring to working girls as "pro5$ies" nor tramps , tarts, sluts, ho's or any other derogatory name. However if someone  wishes to do so then they should be allowed.  And in doing so we know where they stand. And can make informed decisions using that info. But with censorship that luxury is removed. Theres loads of other reasons for no censorship but I'll leave it at that

Offline The Outsider

To clarify. I in no way think we should be referring to working girls as "pro5$ies" nor tramps , tarts, sluts, ho's or any other derogatory name. However if someone  wishes to do so then they should be allowed.  And in doing so we know where they stand. And can make informed decisions using that info. But with censorship that luxury is removed. Theres loads of other reasons for no censorship but I'll leave it at that

That mirrors my thoughts on the subject.  I don't think censorship is a great move on here, but it's not a democracy and our only choice as posters is to participate or not. 

However, where there is censorship, I think it should at least be made clear so that we can understand the original context and judge the post/poster accordingly.  I'd imagine that whatever software makes the "correction" could also apply a style, colour or font to make the editorial intervention transparent.   :hi:

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However, where there is censorship, I think it should at least be made clear so that we can understand the original context and judge the post/poster accordingly.  I'd imagine that whatever software makes the "correction" could also apply a style, colour or font to make the editorial intervention transparent

Like your thinking. I'm all moaning and your coming up with solutions  :thumbsup:

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However, where there is censorship, I think it should at least be made clear so that we can understand the original context and judge the post/poster accordingly.  I'd imagine that whatever software makes the "correction" could also apply a style, colour or font to make the editorial intervention transparent

Like your thinking. I'm all moaning and your coming up with solutions  :thumbsup:

It's a sign of the times. Progressive liberals promote freedom and individuality so long as you follow their rules. There are a great many thoughts and words I wish were free to be expressed in the real world but someone deems them to be hate speech, some ist or ism or throw their own racist insults like snowflake and gammon but that's going too far into the realms of "off topic."

In the real world we are not free to express our own particular penchant, perversion or pleasure. For that we should be grateful to the providers of this forum and respect their boundaries. Censorship is a dangerous and slippery slope, a deprivation of liberty but out of politeness we accept it in everyday life. So long as we are free to discuss pro$titution then I won't use the naught word and my posts won't be censored.

Offline Xtro

I'm British.

When I'm in Spain, you can call me a Brit, but don't ever call me a lager lout!   :drinks:

No? Me neither.   :sarcastic:

I honestly don't know what else to contribute on this thread.   :hi:

Offline HumphryB

I'm British.

When I'm in Spain, you can call me a Brit, but don't ever call me a lager lout!   :drinks:

No? Me neither.   :sarcastic:

I honestly don't know what else to contribute on this thread.   :hi:

I'm Scottish.  I'd rather you call me Humphry. Scot is fine . So is Jock, sweaty sock, and any other derogatory term. I'd like to know when I'm being slandered, much like a pro5$ie

Offline Horizontal pleasures

I'm Scottish.  I'd rather you call me Humphry. Scot is fine . So is Jock, sweaty sock, and any other derogatory term. I'd like to know when I'm being slandered, much like a pro5$ie

I do not get it. The last word in your post above was not changed to Sex Worker??? Did that cost you a fiver in bribes?

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had to use an $ and 5 to circumvent the autocorrect

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I don't get it. On most other things, guys here seem to say and have nearly always said, "its the owners' site, he can do what he wants - accept it or move on somewhere else"

So why doesn't that apply here? If our new owner/boss feels so strongly about the word and asks/tells us not to use it, shouldn't we just accept it and not try to find ways to circumvent the auto-correct.


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I don't get it. On most other things, guys here seem to say and have nearly always said, "its the owners' site, he can do what he wants - accept it or move on somewhere else"

So why doesn't that apply here? If our new owner/boss feels so strongly about the word and asks/tells us not to use it, shouldn't we just accept it and not try to find ways to circumvent the auto-correct.

I'd actually be happier if there was simply a rule that the shortened version of the word prostitute wasn't used and then posters could be sanctioned accordingly if they broke the rule.  The site owner can have whatever rule he so chooses.  I agree that it is foolish (although creative) to find ways around it. 

The changing of a word can change the tone and context of a post.  If that's visible, we can read around the edit and still evaluate the comments made.  I never use the word in question, but I don't like the concept that in future words I have carefully chosen could be changed arbitrarily.  For example, when I choose to write to "tits", "boobs" or "breasts" I've done that for a reason, and I'd be unhappy if it then read as "mammary glands". 

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had to use an $ and 5 to circumvent the autocorrect

In the interest of preserving your sanity and continued membership, maybe you should set up a Twitter account and type up all the different combinations that can defeat an auto-correct for an unacceptable abbreviation. You could use the letter z, 5, €, 0, try $$$ or £££, try y or i£ on the end. Maybe go in search of other foreign letters or characters. I would suggest your best option would be to use a Thesaurus and find a noun which suits your need to describe a woman you pay to fuck.  :unknown:

Offline winkywanky

I can't really see what the problem is, I don't particularly see it as censorship.

If a WG warrants criticism on here she can still receive it with pretty well as much strength/bile/derision as the author/reviewer decides is appropriate.

All that has happened is that certain potentially derogatory generic terms for prostitute have been disallowed.

I don't think it's particularly cramping anyone's style, and those that it really bothers have found a way around it anyway (at their own risk  :D).

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had to use an $ and 5 to circumvent the autocorrect

Why? trying to piss off Admin?

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I don't get it. On most other things, guys here seem to say and have nearly always said, "its the owners' site, he can do what he wants - accept it or move on somewhere else"

So why doesn't that apply here? If our new owner/boss feels so strongly about the word and asks/tells us not to use it, shouldn't we just accept it and not try to find ways to circumvent the auto-correct.

Exactly

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Why? trying to piss off Admin?

It easy to post the word if you really want to..
I am surprised that people on this thread are tbh, as Admin made it perfectly clear to Marmalade what the consequences could be.

But doesn’t stop us discussing our thoughts on the changes. Obviously in a measured tone, unlike if anyone else, in a thread suggested, censoring a word they didn’t like..

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However, where there is censorship, I think it should at least be made clear so that we can understand the original context and judge the post/poster accordingly.  I'd imagine that whatever software makes the "correction" could also apply a style, colour or font to make the editorial intervention transparent

Like your thinking. I'm all moaning and your coming up with solutions  :thumbsup:

That mirrors my thoughts on the subject.  I don't think censorship is a great move on here, but it's not a democracy and our only choice as posters is to participate or not. 

However, where there is censorship, I think it should at least be made clear so that we can understand the original context and judge the post/poster accordingly.  I'd imagine that whatever software makes the "correction" could also apply a style, colour or font to make the editorial intervention transparent.   :hi:
I'd actually be happier if there was simply a rule that the shortened version of the word prostitute wasn't used and then posters could be sanctioned accordingly if they broke the rule.  The site owner can have whatever rule he so chooses.  I agree that it is foolish (although creative) to find ways around it. 

The changing of a word can change the tone and context of a post. If that's visible, we can read around the edit and still evaluate the comments made.  I never use the word in question, but I don't like the concept that in future words I have carefully chosen could be changed arbitrarily.  For example, when I choose to write to "tits", "boobs" or "breasts" I've done that for a reason, and I'd be unhappy if it then read as "mammary glands".

It would apppear that you are among the few that are getting the point. Some good suggestions but I doubt if they will be taken up. Probably changing things is too much work or not a priority. Actually putting in the Rules, as I’ve also suggested many times, would might look rather silly unless it was backed up with a rational reason or worded very carefully. Just imagine a formal statement saying “words like cunt whore hooker slag etc are ok but the use of the shortened form of the prostitute is unacceptable and will be automatically changed to ‘Sex Worker’ or result in a ban.” It would need something better than that.

Let’s be clear, It is difficult to define such wording as the word is not considered an offensive word (except apparently by one person). The best way out of it would be for Admin to hold up his hands and say he was having a laugh, that either it was now ok or else ask people not to use it until the software was sorted out. (Which previously I had genuinely thought was the case.)

The only other reason I can imagine is if running scared of some ill-conceived legislation that had a similarly idiosyncratic approach to the word. (Let’s not forget: prostitutes are not offended by the word, as anyone can see by browsing their website.)

Although it bears no direct relevance to the word in question I’d like to point out to those who don’t know me very well that ’rude’words like slag cunt etc are not words I’d use to a prostitute. But this is a men’s forum. Of course, not all of us use them in our daily language with male friends, and neither do I, but I made a decision early on with UKP to use them when I felt it was appropriate but most especially when fluffies were getting sucked in by the ‘ladylike’ prostitute marketing of the profession and describing them in the glowing terms reserved for reviews on AW and other prostitute-dominated sites. Fluffy language is inimical to UKP as it puts any criticism into rose-tinted words until it is virtually worthless. To discuss and review prostitutes with same factual bluntness as one would any other service (e.g. hairdressers, garbage collectors, personal trainers, postal service workers etc). The only other time I use it, other than to dissuade fluffies, is when prostitutes wander into UKP and get above themselves.

So no need for some folk to derail the point by talking about words which are indeed considered offensive in certain situations.

It’s not really about — or just about — prohibiting something either. It’s a bit like me saying that I don’t like cheddar cheese — no reason, I just don’t like it — and if you or anyone else comes into my house with cheddar in their bag then I will go into your bag and replace it with blue cheese. I don’t care if it was the best cheddar in the world and you had brought it for the other guests: it will be destroyed and your bag will then smell of blue cheese.

Anyone can have what most others would see as silly likes and dislikes: foisting them on someone else is kind of different. That’s the point. Meanwhile as prostitute is a rather long word to type and words like whore escort and so on have secondary connotations maybe I can suggest everyone uses ‘SP’ — the only reason being that it is the official designation of a prostitute registering as a guest-member of this forum, but at least it’s a reason. Eventually everyone will know what it means the same as when the short p word was used.

I have no reason to believe that other words will be automatically altered in the near future: but Nik’s concern was not unreasonable: the way these things work in politics is you wait until the furore has died down and a few people will suggest it must have been a good idea or they wouldn’t have done it. Then you have carte blanche to increase the policy. It will die down on here until someone unawares sees their post has been re-written. At which point a host of people will make reassuring noises.

Maybe if enough people, politely and respectfully, urge Admin perhaps to reconsider, maybe he/she might. But such discussions were a hallmark of old UKP. Admin even invited them. Be aware that that may not be the case any more.
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I tend to pick fights which are important, the censorship of an abbreviation is a minor annoyance as opposed to a major issue. I don't doubt you have a wide enough vocabulary to insult some uppity prostitute and suggest she puts her mouth and fingers to better use than insulting her customer base.

I imagine finding deep meaningful insults would be more enjoyable than in the long run which might make admin wish he hadn't banned such a trivial word.

As a final thought not all rules are written.

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Maybe if enough people, politely and respectfully, urge Admin perhaps to reconsider, maybe he/she might. But such discussions were a hallmark of old UKP. Admin even invited them. Be aware that that may not be the case any more.

Let it go, no one else seems that bothered about it.

From what I remember you were the main one who circumvented the alteration and it nearly got you banned. It's best not to try and get others involved in what seems like a personal crusade.

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I don’t give a fuck about the word

I do care about the site and it’s future direction

I haven’t seen anything of substance that would concern me since the new management took over. This is still the only place for punters as far as I’m concerned

And it would be a sad day if members that I respect and whose contributions I enjoy got themselves banned for what seems to be trivia and daft mischief

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I don’t give a fuck about the word

I do care about the site and it’s future direction

I haven’t seen anything of substance that would concern me since the new management took over. This is still the only place for punters as far as I’m concerned

And it would be a sad day if members that I respect and whose contributions I enjoy got themselves banned for what seems to be trivia and daft mischief

Same here, some on here are utterly obsessed by this, fucking weird but up to them. I will be concerned though wont be able to do anything about it if there are bigger changes that I dont agree with. But UKP isn't a democracy and I accept that.

So far I have been impressed by the new admin team and the 3 mods, no complaints from me. I fully expected a new owner to want to put their own mark on UKP which I see as natural.

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Same here, some on here are utterly obsessed by this, fucking weird but up to them. I will be concerned though wont be able to do anything about it if there are bigger changes that I dont agree with. But UKP isn't a democracy and I accept that.

So far I have been impressed by the new admin team and the 3 mods, no complaints from me. I fully expected a new owner to want to put their own mark on UKP which I see as natural.

Too be honest your totally correct, it’s not as if they have changed anything in the feel of the site.

At the end of the day that’s all that matters.

We can post reviews, argue with fluffy cunts, challenge trolls it’s not really any different. 
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Same here, some on here are utterly obsessed by this, fucking weird but up to them. I will be concerned though wont be able to do anything about it if there are bigger changes that I dont agree with. But UKP isn't a democracy and I accept that.

So far I have been impressed by the new admin team and the 3 mods, no complaints from me. I fully expected a new owner to want to put their own mark on UKP which I see as natural.

Agree and could be a symptom of something else...change seems to mess with some peoples minds  :wacko:

Life moves on and things change and if you don't like it then do something about it rather than go on and on ffs!

Offline PatMacGroin

When this auto-correct change was pointed out back in June I wasn't at all bothered about the loss of the word. It was very soon after the site changed hands and my concern was that it might be a sign the new owners were taking the site in much a more restrictive, WG friendly direction. Since then I haven't noticed anything else that strongly indicates that.

I don't see the need to press the point any further.

However, I do think it was right for Marmalade and others to challenge the decision looking for clarification. It did seem like a strange thing to prioritise so soon after the change over when there seemed to be so much else to deal with. For all they knew it could have been a test case used to judge our reaction to change. The new owners may well have plans for how they would like to develop this site in the future. And personally I think it makes sense that those changes should be discussed freely, this is a forum after all.

Ultimately the final decision will always belong to "Admin" (Old, New, Head, Next, Whatever). If we don't like his decisions we always have the choice to stop using the site. No doubt the strength of feeling about any changes will influence his decisions. Because if the changes had a strong enough impact to drive all the users away, then this would no longer be a operational forum, the site would effectively die like plenty of other forums have before now.

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I never used that term myself , however it was as smiths describes a minor annoyance. As  i dont like censorship.

But in the grand scheme of things you have to remember the new team saved the site and its core purpose albeit teething issues appears to be running smoothly.

I dont like certain things or the way cerian things are handled but bottom line the benefits far outweigh the negatives so willing to overlook.

Offline tantraman

This hasn't bothered me at all, as I seem to have fallen into to using Service Provider (SP) for FBSM girls, and Working Girl (WG) for anyone providing FS. I had never used either before my first post on UKP.

And I've never used Sex Worker (SW), but it seems this term is more media friendly. In reading that horrid story about that stabbing in Sydney in the Metro yesterday, I couldn't help but note the use of SW throughout the article ...

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I dont like certain things or the way cerian things are handled but bottom line the benefits far outweigh the negatives so willing to overlook.

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This thread is all a lot of fuss and hot air over a few words. Not worth the space it takes up.

Offline winkywanky

This hasn't bothered me at all, as I seem to have fallen into to using Service Provider (SP) for FBSM girls, and Working Girl (WG) for anyone providing FS. I had never used either before my first post on UKP.

And I've never used Sex Worker (SW), but it seems this term is more media friendly. In reading that horrid story about that stabbing in Sydney in the Metro yesterday, I couldn't help but note the use of SW throughout the article ...

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Saw this on the telly last couple of days, awful. Guy is seemingly a nutter.