Many escorts not seeing black men

[Razmataz]

When I first started punting in 2010, there were a few escorts that wouldn't make appointments with black men but now it's extremely common. Did something happen to put all these escorts off black men?

[Jason1212]

Usually they complained about their size but I'm guessing it's either personal preference or due to sterotype. I've vaguely remember two different SP mentioned they had bad experience. One was robbed and the other nearly got setted up. All races tbh is capable of doing what I've mentioned so really it's down to preferences I guess 

[DrIvan]

Not entirely sure, I believe it is mostly racism especially from some of the EE SPs. Last one I saw (Romanian) I asked why as she had asked me in advance, (I'm white BTW). She just said I choose not to, so it could be stereotyping too, but it certainly is racist in my view.

Actually did put me off going back, I mean I love pussy, but hate racists. 

[Fuzzyduck]

Quite a few threads on this, e.g.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=235262

I suspect much of it can be attributed to racism, particularly from EEs.

[kowalski]

Was once told it's the percieved risk of ibola virus!!

[Jamie76]

seen this happen twice in Soho London at 2 different walkups   back in 2009 -  2010 .
 
whilst i was sitting down with the maid then the girl came out and was talking to me , the tv camera screen showed a black man knocking at the door and the girl said to the maid no blacks ,  maid shouts  ( Sorry she's busy right now ) 
 
the 2nd different girl a few months later said the exact same thing to the maid , no blacks when another black guy knocked
 

[Stav096]

Because there have been a lot of attacks on the girls, and as usual the warnings are spread around.

[James999]

When I first started punting in 2010, there were a few escorts that wouldn't make appointments with black men but now it's extremely common. Did something happen to put all these escorts off black men?

Attacks, muggings, robberies 

[Hobbit]

It’s a very sad world we live in where people are judged based on their colour rather than their individual behaviours. It’s extremely sad. 

[Mothball15]

There is a member called 'yardie' check out his reviews he is a blackman so you can xreference with what you are looking for.

[romano77]

Not entirely sure, I believe it is mostly racism especially from some of the EE SPs. Last one I saw (Romanian) I asked why as she had asked me in advance, (I'm white BTW). She just said I choose not to, so it could be stereotyping too, but it certainly is racist in my view.

Actually did put me off going back, I mean I love pussy, but hate racists. 

+1...I agree ...before I joined the site I used to have EE regulars about 5-7 years ago...most had no blacks policy from what I can remember... 

[Fuzzyduck]

+1...I agree ...before I joined the site I used to have EE regulars about 5-7 years ago...most had no blacks policy from what I can remember... 

EEs used to be much more openly racist IMO - I recollect this exchange with a (Hungarian IIRC) SP around that time ago:

Me: :What do you think of London?"
Her: "Too many black people"
Me: "You don't like black people?"
Her: "Not in my country"
Me: "Oh"

It put me right off her, but luckily I'd already fucked her

[king tarzan]

It’s a very sad world we live in where people are judged based on their colour rather than their individual behaviours. It’s extremely sad. 

Spot on eye of the 🐅

[VladtheImpaleHer]

I know EE civvies who like black men because a lot of these countries aren't as multi cultural as countries in Western Europe. So it is kind of a novelty to see a black guy or a black woman for an EE guy also. Let's not forget there are plenty of black SPs who won't see black guys either!

I saw a Polish WG and a black WG last year and asked them why they wouldn't see black guys. And they both said the same thing, 'attitude'.

[Californian]

The size thing is mostly b.s. I booked an appointment with an SP who had that as her excuse and I asked if my girth was a problem and she said, “No why would you think that?”

[Mr Sinister]

Attacks, muggings, robberies 

I think this is the case with the amount of crime it only take a very small % for girls to start declining certain people, like when I first started punting it was normal to see every other profile to have "no blacks" rule. It quietened down for a period of time now I see it a lot more again.

I've seen girls who used to see black men put the sign up now although still see past regulars. At the end of the day it's not worth stressing over plenty of wgs out there.

[irwinuk]

Quite a few threads on this, e.g.
https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=235262

I suspect much of it can be attributed to racism, particularly from EEs.

so it's rasism for a girl not to see a black guy (bc she thinks his dick is huge)
BUT
its not rasism when 99% of the dudes here complain about romanian girls when they don;t even know that they are gipsy,not romanian. tottaly different things

[NeverMind07]

I’ve seen girls who said they wouldn’t see black men. Some odd experiences:
Booked a meet with an east European, arrived and she looked out her window then went away. I called some moments later and she said she doesn’t see black men. So I said what about just a handjob for the same price? She said no. Moments later she called me and said handjob only. She let me inside and I saw she was a student studying finance. I started talking to her about it and giving advice on jobs and she ended up fucking me and apologising. Still says she wouldn’t see blacks but each time I returned we had sex. Similar situation with a chinese girl. But in 99.9% of the time  if a girl says they won’t , they won’t. On another occasion these two Chinese students had a flat and the rule was not to see black men. When I called one of the girls said she would see me but she can’t because of her colleague. So I had to book a hotel in the end and it was an outcall.

[milf_lover]

It is not just due to racism. Most crime committed is by black people.

[Chocolateman1986]

It is not just due to racism. Most crime committed is by black people.

You're gonna need to clarify this statement very quickly.

[Ozy84]

I’ve seen girls who said they wouldn’t see black men. Some odd experiences:
Booked a meet with an east European, arrived and she looked out her window then went away. I called some moments later and she said she doesn’t see black men. So I said what about just a handjob for the same price? She said no. Moments later she called me and said handjob only. She let me inside and I saw she was a student studying finance. I started talking to her about it and giving advice on jobs and she ended up fucking me and apologising. Still says she wouldn’t see blacks but each time I returned we had sex. Similar situation with a chinese girl. But in 99.9% of the time  if a girl says they won’t , they won’t. On another occasion these two Chinese students had a flat and the rule was not to see black men. When I called one of the girls said she would see me but she can’t because of her colleague. So I had to book a hotel in the end and it was an outcall.

Thanks for the reviews

[Payyourwaymate]

It is not just due to racism. Most crime committed is by black people.

Where are your statistics to back this up? 

Don't make such silly statements without back up  . Now I see why the off topic section got deleted.

[elnukky]

I’ve seen girls who said they wouldn’t see black men. Some odd experiences:
Booked a meet with an east European, arrived and she looked out her window then went away. I called some moments later and she said she doesn’t see black men. So I said what about just a handjob for the same price? She said no. Moments later she called me and said handjob only. She let me inside and I saw she was a student studying finance. I started talking to her about it and giving advice on jobs and she ended up fucking me and apologising. Still says she wouldn’t see blacks but each time I returned we had sex. Similar situation with a chinese girl. But in 99.9% of the time  if a girl says they won’t , they won’t. On another occasion these two Chinese students had a flat and the rule was not to see black men. When I called one of the girls said she would see me but she can’t because of her colleague. So I had to book a hotel in the end and it was an outcall.

Did any of these girls give a reason for not seeing black guys?

[elnukky]

so it's rasism for a girl not to see a black guy (bc she thinks his dick is huge)
BUT
its not rasism when 99% of the dudes here complain about romanian girls when they don;t even know that they are gipsy,not romanian. tottaly different things

Yes, in both cases, judgments are being made based on race. The difference being that the dudes on here i.e. paying customers, are complaining about poor service. I assume that any of the black dudes on here would have no problem with a prostitute giving them service once the she confirms that she can handle the equipment. Instead, we see blanket refusal of service from some of these prostitutes. It almost reminds me of the stories I have heard of no blacks, no Irish, no blacks, no dogs.

[blackd2103]

As a black guy I try not to let it bother me. It is a shame we are judged as a whole over the actions of a few. However I would rather spend my time focusing on the women that will accept my custom instead of the ones not interested in seeing me, that's my take on it!!!

[DOUGLAS56]

As a black guy I try not to let it bother me. It is a shame we are judged as a whole over the actions of a few. However I would rather spend my time focusing on the women that will accept my custom instead of the ones not interested in seeing me, that's my take on it!!!

+1 same approach I have. I could care less if a WG does not want to see me because I am black. Just keep moving and find the ones interested. I much prefer the WGs that are straight up and say no blacks rather than the WGs that give an excuse blah blah on their profile as to why they dont see blacks.

[joe diddley]

I suspect that as far as punting goes, if a white man gives a girl a hard time that's because, for the SP, he is an arsehole and his behaviour is understood in individual terms; i.e. it's not a race issue. If it's a black guy, then it's perceived as being because he's black rather than anything to do with him as an individual. Racists curiously don't see 'whiteness' in the same racial terms as they see black people; nor do they see black people as they see whites, i.e. as distinct individuals rather than only as being representatives of their 'race'.

[BillGoldberg]

+1 same approach I have. I could care less if a WG does not want to see me because I am black. Just keep moving and find the ones interested. I much prefer the WGs that are straight up and say no blacks rather than the WGs that give an excuse blah blah on their profile as to why they dont see blacks.

+1

After reading that a lot of EEs are racist I'm a little surprised. I've never been refused by an EE girl due to my ethnicity, but then again I've only booked a few of them since I'm generally not that attracted to EE girls in general, and I find their service generally inferior to what I'm used to from Thai girls. Also in civvie life I've encountered quite a few EEs who were either openly attracted to me or are in relationships with and/or attracted to black guys.

Perhaps the EEs who get into the game in london tend to be less educated, more narrow minded, more sheltered and unexposed to none white culture in their homeland so are more prone to believing all the negative stereotyping than others who don't fit this mindset and life experience ?

Whatever the reason there will always be racists so I don't let it concern me, plenty of good escorts out there who happily see me, it isnt my problem as far as I'm concerned.

Actually this just reminded me of one of my favourite excuses I remember hearing a couple of times way back in my early punting days of booking phone box card girls, showing up only to be told by the maid, "sorry love she doesnt see black guys, her boyfriend is black so he doesnt want her seeing any others" 

[BillGoldberg]

I suspect that as far as punting goes, if a white man gives a girl a hard time that's because, for the SP, he is an arsehole and his behaviour is understood in individual terms; i.e. it's not a race issue. If it's a black guy, then it's perceived as being because he's black rather than anything to do with him as an individual. Racists curiously don't see 'whiteness' in the same racial terms as they see black people; nor do they see black people as they see whites, i.e. as distinct individuals rather than only as being representatives of their 'race'.

yeah very well said 
seems to indicate a real lack of intelligence and/or discernment

[milf_lover]

Where are your statistics to back this up? 

Don't make such silly statements without back up  . Now I see why the off topic section got deleted.

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[Colston36]

When I first started punting in 2010, there were a few escorts that wouldn't make appointments with black men but now it's extremely common. Did something happen to put all these escorts off black men?

I see 5 escorts regularly. Of those one lives with a black man and a second loves them. Three years  I ended up in bed with another lady and a black guy a couple of times in a threesome. Actually he and I remain in touch, though it's nothing to do with sex.

[MLawro93]

You guys happy?

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Anyone can cherry pick data to prove their argument. The source you provided doesn't even explain half the story. Stop using it to justify your blatant racism.

[unus669]

You guys happy?

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You may want to understand, the difference between arrests and convictions. Unless, I’ve missed something, your link breaks down arrests, not commission and convictions of crime.

It doesn’t surprise me, non-white people get arrested more. In London, it’s a well known fact, I think black people are 8 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people. Also, the conviction, rate due to stop and search, is not worth the paper it’s written on.

Anyone can be arrested on the flimsiest premise, that doesn’t mean, they committed or been convicted of a crime.

[unus669]

As a black guy I try not to let it bother me. It is a shame we are judged as a whole over the actions of a few. However I would rather spend my time focusing on the women that will accept my custom instead of the ones not interested in seeing me, that's my take on it!!!

Snap.

NBA is discrimination, proving racism, is a bit more difficult, even though it’s obvious to me, it’s probably more racism.

Strangely, in civvy world, the opposite seems to be, the case with EE women. My last girlfriend, is from EE, my FWB is EE and when I was busy, in the London clubbing scene, in the first 10 years of the 00s, I fucked quite a few of them. Before they joined the EU, I was screwing an au pair, from an EE country. So anecdotally, this NBA crap, may be unique to punting 

[milf_lover]

Anyone can cherry pick data to prove their argument. The source you provided doesn't even explain half the story. Stop using it to justify your blatant racism.

Where was I racist??

[milf_lover]

You may want to understand, the difference between arrests and convictions. Unless, I’ve missed something, your link breaks down arrests, not commission and convictions of crime.

It doesn’t surprise me, non-white people get arrested more. In London, it’s a well known fact, I think black people are 8 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people. Also, the conviction, rate due to stop and search, is not worth the paper it’s written on.

Anyone can be arrested on the flimsiest premise, that doesn’t mean, they committed or been convicted of a crime.

For you to be “arrested”, you need to be charged with a crime. Usually police do that when there is plenty of evidence otherwise it’s a waste of time.

“Stop and searches” do not count as arrests.

[Fuzzyduck]

It is not just due to racism. Most crime committed is by black people.

Really? Most crime? The majority of crime? Let's look at your stats.

Total arrests 2017/18: 700k
- of whom are white: 500K
- of whom are black: 66k

Ergo: most crime is committed by white people. Hmmm...

The basis of your argument seems to relate to the arrest rate/1,000 people, i.e. that a black person is 3 times MORE likely to be arrested as a white person. There are just a lot more white people than black.

You are a fucking idiot.

[milf_lover]

Really? Most crime? The majority of crime? Let's look at your stats.

Total arrests 2017/18: 700k
- of whom are white: 500K
- of whom are black: 66k

Ergo: most crime is committed by white people. Hmmm...

The basis of your argument seems to relate to the arrest rate/1,000 people, i.e. that a black person is 3 times MORE likely to be arrested as a white person. There are just a lot more white people than black.

You are a fucking idiot.

Why would I compare total amounts? The idiot here is you for using totals instead of the normalised rate (per head).

[Fuzzyduck]

Why would I compare total amounts? The idiot here is you for using totals instead of the normalised rate (per head).

Please stop digging. You said "most crime" not me. Using your rationale, if there were only 1 black person in the UK and he/she committed a crime, then most crime would be committed by that person. I bet you wonder why people are accusing you of being a racist.

[Heph]

After reading that a lot of EEs are racist I'm a little surprised... in civvie life I've encountered quite a few EEs who were either openly attracted to me or are in relationships with and/or attracted to black guys.

Polish friends & acquaintances have openly related to me that they believe, as a national group, Poles are/were indeed generally far more likely than most other white Europeans, to hold and express racial prejudice, particularly in regards to black people. Certainly the ethnic make-up of their country is still highly homogenous, so it seems likely that unfamiliarity plays some role.

Actually this just reminded me of one of my favourite excuses I remember hearing a couple of times way back in my early punting days of booking phone box card girls, showing up only to be told by the maid, "sorry love she doesn't see black guys, her boyfriend is black so he doesnt want her seeing any others"

I missed that at my first reading, and was about to suggest something similar - but I now see that you appear doubtful. That said, we do see that it's a fairly common reason given by Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi WG's for not seeing men of South Asian ethnic origin... the pool of such punters, though large in London and other cities, is nevertheless a minority of the overall market - but probably represents 100% of that from which their family, friends & acquaintances are drawn. The chances of meeting uncle Sanjay, his friend you met at a wedding or a distant cousin, and all the awks that would follow, is greatly reduced by an outright racial bar. Surely it's not out of the question to suppose something similar for white EEs with black boyfriends or family, if, as you and other say, non-professionally, they seem to be slightly disproportionately more interested in colour-blind relationships.


All of which leads me to another observation: the number of UKP members who are black seems disproportionately far higher than I'd expect if it mirrored a representative sample of the UK population (which appears to be 3-5%). Thoughts - especially from, ahem, our black members ?

[unus669]

For you to be “arrested”, you need to be charged with a crime. Usually police do that when there is plenty of evidence otherwise it’s a waste of time.

“Stop and searches” do not count as arrests.

You obviously don’t understand the legal justice system 

[unus669]

Please stop digging. You said "most crime" not me. Using your rationale, if there were only 1 black person in the UK and he/she committed a crime, then most crime would be committed by that person. I bet you wonder why people are accusing you of being a racist.

I’ll give him  the benefit of doubt, at the moment. He maybe more ignorant than racist 

[Fuzzyduck]

Polish friends & acquaintances have openly related to me that they believe, as a national group, Poles are/were indeed generally far more likely than most other white Europeans, to hold and express racial prejudice, particularly in regards to black people. Certainly the ethnic make-up of their country is still highly homogenous, so it seems likely that unfamiliarity plays some role.

I missed that at my first reading, and was about to suggest something similar - but I now see that you appear doubtful. That said, we do see that it's a fairly common reason given by Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi WG's for not seeing men of South Asian ethnic origin... the pool of such punters, though large in London and other cities, is nevertheless a minority of the overall market - but probably represents 100% of that from which their family, friends & acquaintances are drawn. The chances of meeting uncle Sanjay, his friend you met at a wedding or a distant cousin, and all the awks that would follow, is greatly reduced by an outright racial bar. Surely it's not out of the question to suppose something similar for white EEs with black boyfriends or family?


All of which leads me to another observation: the number of UKP members who are black seems disproportionately far higher than I'd expect if it mirrored a representative sample of the UK population (which appears to be 3-5%). Thoughts - especially from, ahem, our black members ?

Ironically, you occasionally see on Polish SP profiles that they don't see Polish guys. I assumed this was due to potentially being outed in the Polish community here (this was some years ago when London was flooded with Polish workers) but a number I talked to about it were very clear it was due to their low opinion of the Polish men that used to come to see them.

[Fuzzyduck]

I’ll give him  the benefit of doubt, at the moment. He maybe more ignorant than racist 

You're very kind, particularly since Admin has made it clear that racist comments would lead to a banning.
Shame he doesn't put his energy into more constructive contributions like reviews.

[peter purves]

Polish friends & acquaintances have openly related to me that they believe, as a national group, Poles are/were indeed generally far more likely than most other white Europeans, to hold and express racial prejudice, particularly in regards to black people. Certainly the ethnic make-up of their country is still highly homogenous, so it seems likely that unfamiliarity plays some role.

I missed that at my first reading, and was about to suggest something similar - but I now see that you appear doubtful. That said, we do see that it's a fairly common reason given by Indian, Pakistani and Bangladeshi WG's for not seeing men of South Asian ethnic origin... the pool of such punters, though large in London and other cities, is nevertheless a minority of the overall market - but probably represents 100% of that from which their family, friends & acquaintances are drawn. The chances of meeting uncle Sanjay, his friend you met at a wedding or a distant cousin, and all the awks that would follow, is greatly reduced by an outright racial bar. Surely it's not out of the question to suppose something similar for white EEs with black boyfriends or family, if, as you and other say, non-professionally, they seem to be slightly disproportionately more interested in colour-blind relationships.


All of which leads me to another observation: the number of UKP members who are black seems disproportionately far higher than I'd expect if it mirrored a representative sample of the UK population (which appears to be 3-5%). Thoughts - especially from, ahem, our black members ?

I think you are right there is a high percentage whether it was always this way when UKP was created after those left PN I doubt it.

Then again it is hard to ascertain who is whom in the world of virtual reality.

[Heph]

I think you are right there is a high percentage whether it was always this way when UKP was created after those left PN I doubt it.

Then again it is hard to ascertain who is whom in the world of virtual reality.

I've previously just noticed it when members have been discussing issues not unlike this one, and have volunteered the information themselves. Prior to which, I'd have guessed a representative 1:20 ratio on a general UK board, perhaps 1:15 on a London thread. The very casual sense that I got was that it might be more like 1:7 on UKP

So I'd begun to get curious, and wonder if punting is a more common pastime for black men, or are they simply more likely to want to contribute to a board like this and write about it.

[peter purves]

I've previously just noticed it when members have been discussing issues not unlike this one, and have volunteered the information themselves. Prior to which, I'd have guessed a representative 1:20 ratio on a general UK board, perhaps 1:15 on a London thread. The very casual sense that I got was that it might be more like 1:7 on UKP

So I'd begun to get curious, and wonder if punting is a more common pastime for black men, or are they simply more likely to want to contribute to a board like this and write about it.

I suspect the latter.

Though I have no analysis to discuss the cause though.

What I find interesting is the transition from PN to UKP membership.

[Heph]

What I find interesting is the transition from PN to UKP membership.

Elaborate...

[unus669]

I've previously just noticed it when members have been discussing issues not unlike this one, and have volunteered the information themselves. Prior to which, I'd have guessed a representative 1:20 ratio on a general UK board, perhaps 1:15 on a London thread. The very casual sense that I got was that it might be more like 1:7 on UKP

So I'd begun to get curious, and wonder if punting is a more common pastime for black men, or are they simply more likely to want to contribute to a board like this and write about it.

I guess, there is no way of verifying the ratio of black men on here. However, I don’t get the impression it’s 1:7, it may feel like that, depending on the thread conversation, like this one on discrimination via race. 

[Fuzzyduck]

I guess, there is no way of verifying the ratio of black men on here. However, I don’t get the impression it’s 1:7, it may feel like that, depending on the thread conversation, like this one on discrimination via race. 

Perhaps milf_lover could whip up some stats for us?