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I had missed this bit  - the condom I mean  :P . I never realised this was a BB scene  :dash:

It has definitely made up my mind regarding the producers.

Next question I guess is the mentality of the punter ie who was filming that scene? Did the punter get laid...paid I mean? :P :dash:
People will do anything for fame. Did you see Embarrassing Bodies? People on there with dick cheese and all sorts.

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Why is whenever these kind of documentaries are produced, they always feature mingers?!?  :vomit:

I don’t know, last weeks featured Ella Hughes and Carly Rae, neither of which I would kick out of bed for farting

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People will do anything for fame. Did you see Embarrassing Bodies? People on there with dick cheese and all sorts.

Thankfully, no I didn't.  :P

However, you make a good point?

I was thinking was the film crew there at that point also??  :P :dash:
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I don’t know, last weeks featured Ella Hughes and Carly Rae, neither of which I would kick out of bed for farting
Carly Rae was on another doc which I saw. She looked like an awful shag, love the faux rock chick look, but there wouldn't be any space in her bed with that massive ego of hers occupying it. Ugly for a Pisces in my opinion.
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Thankfully, no I didn't.  :P

However, you make a good point?

I was thinking was the film crew there at that point also??  :P :dash:
Yep usually there will be sound, camera, director and producer\assistant as a minimum.

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I think the agenda is to portray prostitution in a bad light - 'Live Fast Die Young'


I don't know really. I've seen 3 or 4 episodes now, about various parts of the business. It's quite a broad church. Sex shop, sex dolls, old escorts, young escorts etc. I think to a great extent it's a certain type of girl who'll come forward to appear on a programme about being a 'teen escort'...girls such as this one with the enormous arse who just wants to fill her body full of chemical crap and bleat on to everyone about how she's just doing a normal job.

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Yep usually there will be sound, camera, director and producer\assistant as a minimum.


These days for this type of 'fly-on-the-wall' thing it would often be just the director with a DV cam. Handheld, broadcast quality, no extra lighting required (maybe a camera mounted light) and there wouldn't be a sound guy either. Partly because that's the way docu telly has gone, and partly because it would ruin the 'intimacy' of the scene  :D

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I don't know really. I've seen 3 or 4 episodes now, about various parts of the business. It's quite a broad church. Sex shop, sex dolls, old escorts, young escorts etc. I think to a great extent it's a certain type of girl who'll come forward to appear on a programme about being a 'teen escort'...girls such as this one with the enormous arse who just wants to fill her body full of chemical crap and bleat on to everyone about how she's just doing a normal job.
I don't know the older I get ... To me it's just tacky shit, when I was younger we had the same things who remembers Hookers, Hustlers, Pimps and their Johns? Different is that was actually an insightful doc.

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These days for this type of 'fly-on-the-wall' thing it would often be just the director with a DV cam. Handheld, broadcast quality, no extra lighting required (maybe a camera mounted light) and there wouldn't be a sound guy either. Partly because that's the way docu telly has gone, and partly because it would ruin the 'intimacy' of the scene  :D
It does depend usually there is a sound recordist. The onboard HD cam mics are shit and the handheld ones are fucking massive. It's far more difficult to record sound than video, you could well be right though. Most docs don't have lighting unless it is studio scenes like say a reconstruction.

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People will do anything for fame. Did you see Embarrassing Bodies? People on there with dick cheese and all sorts.


Yes, I never cease to be amazed about people who will do absolutely anything to get on telly. I guess this young bird is just another one, although she does seem to have enough business nous to realise that her bookings will go through the roof, even with her talking about doing BB for 50 extra notes...infact that may even INCREASE her bookings yet more because of that. The average viewer watching that programme wouldn't be enlightened enough to visit UKP.

Getting back to Embarrassing Bodies (before they brought out the version purely for STIs) quite often there were people who'd had little luck with their GPs and managed to get really specialist help, almost being fast-tracked, jumping the NHS queue. Also, people who had appallingly bad teeth, would get £30K's-worth of dental treatment for free and and up with Hollywood Teeth.

There seems to be a pattern with a lot of these programmes with members of the public in. Even Big Brother started out being a semi-serious 'social experiment' but after the 1st series young twats saw their chance at national notoriety and pretty soon it was dumbed down to the self-serving shite we see today, where housemates end up having some kind of perverse TV career off the back of it, when infact they're talentless pricks.

Same with Come Dine With Me, used to actually have people who could cook a bit, now they get imbeciles doing fish finger sandwiches and stuff out of a packet.

Doesn't take long for the idiots to see an opening, and perhaps equally, long for the producers to realise that idiots in front of the camera make 'better telly'.

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It does depend usually there is a sound recordist. The onboard HD cam mics are shit and the handheld ones are fucking massive. It's far more difficult to record sound than video, you could well be right though. Most docs don't have lighting unless it is studio scenes like say a reconstruction.

Without giving too much away about myself :cough: I do know a bit about this. In the case of the stuff we saw the other night, there would certainly be no personal mics because the main protagonists would be naked  :D. As for a boom mic, in a small room there wouldn't really be space enough for this, and also the small, closed acoustic would mean the mic on the camera would be good enough.

For stuff outside or for many participants, then a sound recordist would be more necessary.

In any case, standards have dropped, although digital quality is 'perfect', the sound pick-up is often shite because there is no sound recordist, and all the cameraman knows how to do is make sure the mic on the front of the camera is being recorded. In the case of an interview situation between 2 or 3 people, again there will often just be a cameraman: all will have personals on, being recorded separately without any tonal adjustment. And then when it gets to the 'dub', dubbing mixers these days are often effectively spotty teenagers doing it on a computer in their bedroom, with no proper knowledge of sound. The dialogue track frequently sounds shite because there has been no effort whatsoever to match different voices.

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Yes, I never cease to be amazed about people who will do absolutely anything to get on telly. I guess this young bird is just another one, although she does seem to have enough business nous to realise that her bookings will go through the roof, even with her talking about doing BB for 50 extra notes...infact that may even INCREASE her bookings yet more because of that. The average viewer watching that programme wouldn't be enlightened enough to visit UKP.

Getting back to Embarrassing Bodies (before they brought out the version purely for STIs) quite often there were people who'd had little luck with their GPs and managed to get really specialist help, almost being fast-tracked, jumping the NHS queue. Also, people who had appallingly bad teeth, would get £30K's-worth of dental treatment for free and and up with Hollywood Teeth.

There seems to be a pattern with a lot of these programmes with members of the public in. Even Big Brother started out being a semi-serious 'social experiment' but after the 1st series young twats saw their chance at national notoriety and pretty soon it was dumbed down to the self-serving shite we see today, where housemates end up having some kind of perverse TV career off the back of it, when infact they're talentless pricks.

Same with Come Dine With Me, used to actually have people who could cook a bit, now they get imbeciles doing fish finger sandwiches and stuff out of a packet.

Doesn't take long for the idiots to see an opening, and perhaps equally, long for the producers to realise that idiots in front of the camera make 'better telly'.
Did you see The Word back in the day, that had a segment where people literally did anything to be on TV bathe in a bath of cow manure, French kiss a pensioner and eating a sandwich of worms were the highlights. We laughed and thought what a bunch of idiots, now that is what TV is.

Come Dine With Me I do like. It is basically a sitcom though.

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Yes, with the very annoying Terry Christian, although not as annoying as that posh bint with big hair  :D

Yep, I remember the kissing a granny thing  :scare:

Yes, I still watch Come Dine With Me, and it is indeed a sitcom! 

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I don't know really. I've seen 3 or 4 episodes now, about various parts of the business. It's quite a broad church. Sex shop, sex dolls, old escorts, young escorts etc. I think to a great extent it's a certain type of girl who'll come forward to appear on a programme about being a 'teen escort'...girls such as this one with the enormous arse who just wants to fill her body full of chemical crap and bleat on to everyone about how she's just doing a normal job.

That dog Chloe is just the sort they end up with on this shit docs. no sensible person would go near it and the exposure they will get, most of it won,t be good for business.
Amazes me That Chloe has positive reviews on here, i no punting in London is dire and each to their own but there is nothing sexy about that tramp stamped silicon filled fat bird and it cannot be the great conversation between rounds that attracts.

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Yes, with the very annoying Terry Christian, although not as annoying as that posh bint with big hair  :D

Yep, I remember the kissing a granny thing  :scare:

Yes, I still watch Come Dine With Me, and it is indeed a sitcom!
Three in a bed is better though.  ;)

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Yes, with the very annoying Terry Christian, although not as annoying as that posh bint with big hair  :D

Yep, I remember the kissing a granny thing  :scare:

Yes, I still watch Come Dine With Me, and it is indeed a sitcom!

Some things never change...Terry Christian is still a twat  :D

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That dog Chloe is just the sort they end up with on this shit docs. no sensible person would go near it and the exposure they will get, most of it won,t be good for business.
Amazes me That Chloe has positive reviews on here, i no punting in London is dire and each to their own but there is nothing sexy about that tramp stamped silicon filled fat bird and it cannot be the great conversation between rounds that attracts.

I guess girls like her fulfil a fantasy niche. Not your cup of tea, not my cup of tea. But plenty of guys' cup of tea to be honest.

But I just see girls like her damaging themselves physically as well as mentally. I find it sad.

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Some things never change...Terry Christian is still a twat  :D

Yep!  :lol:

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Actually, I'll qualify that. I can't remember where it was now, perhaps one of those retrospective nostalgia shows? They interviewed him - this was a couple of years ago - and I remember thinking he'd actually grown up quite a bit and slid right down to the bottom of the annoying scale.

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Actually, I'll qualify that. I can't remember where it was now, perhaps one of those retrospective nostalgia shows? They interviewed him - this was a couple of years ago - and I remember thinking he'd actually grown up quite a bit and slid right down to the bottom of the annoying scale.
Did you see him on Good Morning Britain or whatever it was? Nope still a twat.

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I guess girls like her fulfil a fantasy niche. Not your cup of tea, not my cup of tea. But plenty of guys' cup of tea to be honest.

But I just see girls like her damaging themselves physically as well as mentally. I find it sad.

You mean has already Damaged herself physically and mentally surely, if that was not damaged goods what is?

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Did you see him on Good Morning Britain or whatever it was? Nope still a twat.

Ah OK, fair do's...perhaps he reverted to type on there  :D

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You mean has already Damaged herself physically and mentally surely, if that was not damaged goods what is?


Feeling that she has to do that extreme shit, is what I meant. Implanting enormous knockers, arse cheek implants, weekly lip-fillers. The girl is 19. It's appalling. Shit will either go wrong when she's having it all done, or later on when it all starts moving around.

And her mindset which makes her want to do that, is in my view, very unhealthy.

And getting loads of bookings because she's a fantasy freakshow will reinforce those feelings, too.

The wheels will fall off at some point.

But she's doing it all of her own free will, so it is what it is  :hi:.

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Feeling that she has to do that extreme shit, is what I meant. Implanting enormous knockers, arse cheek implants, weekly lip-fillers. The girl is 19. It's appalling. Shit will either go wrong when she's having it all done, or later on when it all starts moving around.

And her mindset which makes her want to do that, is in my view, very unhealthy.

And getting loads of bookings because she's a fantasy freakshow will reinforce those feelings, too.

The wheels will fall off at some point.

But she's doing it all of her own free will, so it is what it is  :hi:.
Like I say trying to look black. There was a woman ages who looked really pretty blonde and she had loads of surgery and ended up looking like Louis Armstrong with bolt-ons. It was sad to see.

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Louis Armstrong  :lol:

I guess that sounds like the reverse of what Michael Jackson did. He was effectively trying to be white. And as we know, even within the Black community it's a hot debate to some as to how 'dark' or 'light' you are.

Doesn't matter what 'side' of the racial fence you're on, if you're that unhappy in your own skin, it's just plain sad.

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Louis Armstrong  :lol:

I guess that sounds like the reverse of what Michael Jackson did. He was effectively trying to be white. And as we know, even within the Black community it's a hot debate to some as to how 'dark' or 'light' you are.

Doesn't matter what 'side' of the racial fence you're on, if you're that unhappy in your own skin, it's just plain sad.
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Ouch!

Was this infact due to frequent black cock injections?  :lol:

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I thought the sex dolls ep. was interesting. Not the first "documentary" I have seen about them. I was thinking there can be no substitute for the real thing - until the end, when a doll began talking and responding. Surely, they will evolve further to become more human, like in Channel 4's 'Humans'. Or, even become indistinguishable from humans, such as the replicants in 'Bladerunner'.

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I thought the sex dolls ep. was interesting. Not the first "documentary" I have seen about them. I was thinking there can be no substitute for the real thing - until the end, when a doll began talking and responding. Surely, they will evolve further to become more human, like in Channel 4's 'Humans'. Or, even become indistinguishable from humans, such as the replicants in 'Bladerunner'.
The Channel 4 doc was hilarious from years ago. Had an old bloke boasting how he like to fuck this doll, didn't he say the doll looked like his grandaughter or did I imagine that?

Me and my Slaves was funny. A gay master has a dungeon but became a born again Christian and he said the St Andrew's Cross was blasphemous.

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More nonsense. The majority of people are middle class and I'm sure you and your parents are richer than your grand parents. If by inequality you mean some doss cunt can't afford an iPhone X then maybe. Wanters not needers.

And of course some jobs can never be automated, social care work being one due to variables. Another is the arts, computers can replicate sound, but they can't compose music with the same feeling as a human.

More to the point we get these sob stories every fucking time on every programme. Ever had the misfortune of seeing Britain's (allegedly) Got Talent is there anybody who goes on there that doesn't at least have a dead dog?

When I talk about inequality I don't mean those that cannot afford an iphone X. I mean on broader terms, but I don't want to write an essay, wish I could find stats for this but I can't, but please find the picture attached that illustrates how large the population cannot afford unexpected expenditures. Of course there are jobs that can't be automated but the jobs you mentioned are specialist jobs to an extent. The majority of jobs people do are in service roles which are in the process of being automated (See self service machines, bank branches being closed, restaurants having a tough time) or are in office roles which a well designed algorithm can reduce the number of work colleagues required if the cost benefit plan really starts to make sense in the future.

You are right about the sob stories though, this program certainly had an agenda to present WGs in a certain light. From the barebacking fat chick to the college girl that was groomed from the age of 12  :scare:.

All the women in the program seemed so infatuated with money as well, are they not aware of what they are sacrificing for it?  :dash:

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I thought the sex dolls ep. was interesting. Not the first "documentary" I have seen about them. I was thinking there can be no substitute for the real thing - until the end, when a doll began talking and responding. Surely, they will evolve further to become more human, like in Channel 4's 'Humans'. Or, even become indistinguishable from humans, such as the replicants in 'Bladerunner'.

That's all well and good but can they do the ironing?

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When I talk about inequality I don't mean those that cannot afford an iphone X. I mean on broader terms, but I don't want to write an essay, wish I could find stats for this but I can't, but please find the picture attached that illustrates how large the population cannot afford unexpected expenditures.
I said this to a female friend of mine that she needs a float of about 1000 at least for shit like that. She says she can't save up as she has bills coming out, I told her to stop drinking for a month. There's no reasoning with stupid.

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Care to link to some of those, whenever I've seen posts about barebackers they've been condemned.

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https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=231600.msg2362636#msg2362636

Not one condemnation about barebacking her. There are other posters who openly bareback without  comment

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Try this

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=231600.msg2362636#msg2362636

Not one condemnation about barebacking her. There are other posters who openly bareback without  comment

If he is the only one you can find it kind of proves my point. HP is very well known for being a barebacker and I think it's safe to say there's very few on here would go anywhere near any of the ones he punts. I doubt you've been a member long enough to know anything about him, most of us know what he's like and allow for his age.

So where are these other ones who don't get condemned for barebacking.    :unknown:

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Not one condemnation about barebacking her. There are other posters who openly bareback without  comment

How long were you searching for that ? lol.  If you read it no one mentioned bareback and every post is about the old boy and a youngster, no one actually praised him for barebacking her, no one condemned it either because the subject got taken over by the age thing, Read plenty where he has been condemned in no uncertain terms and he takes it on the chin. Don,t suppose being still able to fuck at 77 he is too worried.

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If he is the only one you can find it kind of proves my point. HP is very well known for being a barebacker and I think it's safe to say there's very few on here would go anywhere near any of the ones he punts. I doubt you've been a member long enough to know anything about him, most of us know what he's like and allow for his age.

So where are these other ones who don't get condemned for barebacking.    :unknown:

I cant be bothered to search for them to prove my point to be honest, i do know when one guy challenged a barebacker, he was banned rather than encouraged.

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I cant be bothered to search for them to prove my point to be honest, i do know when one guy challenged a barebacker, he was banned rather than encouraged.

Search all you like I doubt you'll find many examples.
As far as banning is concerned you have no idea why anyone is banned, you don't see what goes on behind the scenes or what gets deleted before a member is banned.  Challenging / condemning a barebacker is not a reason to be banned, there must've been something else in that case.   

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I just watched it - personally i thought chloe was vacuous but not ill intentioned , im not into her type and woudnt pay her but id shag her for free. Ashleigh was quite intriguing and seemed well motivated and physically attractive , loved how she saved the worm off the pavement, hopefully she succeeds in becoming a vet.
The worst and most unsympathetic one was the ex-webcam model with all the businesses who proudly boasted about manipulating guys on webcam who she clearly despises and regards as sad losers , she seemed a real nasty cunt.

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I just watched it - personally i thought chloe was vacuous but not ill intentioned , im not into her type and woudnt pay her but id shag her for free. Ashleigh was quite intriguing and seemed well motivated and physically attractive , loved how she saved the worm off the pavement, hopefully she succeeds in becoming a vet.
The worst and most unsympathetic one was the ex-webcam model with all the businesses who proudly boasted about manipulating guys on webcam who she clearly despises and regards as sad losers , she seemed a real nasty cunt.

The above in bold caught my eye when watching the show. Now that you mention it here I am beginning to think the producers carefully tried to create an impression and image. I am not totally sure of what that direction is though  :dash:

The above you cite would be correlated to her care and welfare of all living life as sentient beings and her proposed career  :unknown:
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Someone posted in the East Mids section that when Chloe went for her lip hjob, she was treated by Caprice Jane, the Porn Star based in the East Mids who appears to have started this side business as well as Escorting.

Can anyone confirm thsi.

Will post the link from the East Mids section and Caprice's AW Profile when I get a chance.

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Someone posted in the East Mids section that when Chloe went for her lip hjob, she was treated by Caprice Jane, the Porn Star based in the East Mids who appears to have started this side business as well as Escorting.

Can anyone confirm thsi.

Will post the link from the East Mids section and Caprice's AW Profile when I get a chance.

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I thought Ashleigh was dead sexy!  :hi:

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I thought Ashleigh was dead sexy!  :hi:

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'The Sex Business on Channel 5 broke TV rules with images of 'extreme sexual activity'

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I remember thinking that as I was watching. It doesn't bother me personally, but they showed for example, erect penises (a complete no-no, those things can kill you!) and also a close-up of a post-op tranny's fanny (which although not for me, was beautifully executed by whoever was the surgeon).

They clearly violated Ofcom's regs. I wonder if they were trying to make a political point/bring it up for debate?

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A blowjob from her is liable to wreak bloody carnage on your nob!