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Author Topic: Is there such a thing as 'Too cheap'?  (Read 5918 times)

Tripsee

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Hey ladies/fellas..

A friend recently asked me if I would punt with a girl that was 'too cheap'... He didn't specify what 'too cheap was' and I don't really know where the line is drawn between 'too cheap' and average so I don't really know where to stand with this topic.

I know a lot of you on here have a maximum budget for a punt, but, do any of you feel that there is such a thing as 'too cheap'?

HarryRoss

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Too cheap can be either about price, e.x. lower than 60 p/h (just in my opinion), or service provides (too much or very limit may also indicate cheap).
Just like a wg will do anything for very small amount of money, which makes you feel she is comparably cheap(price)
or
Only few services provide(poor services)

From my experiences, the average price should be between 80-130 p/h, or you can say 80/100/130(the three most common prices from my observation)

Hope this can help you more or less.


Alde

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Too cheap can be either about price, e.x. lower than 60 p/h (just in my opinion), or service provides (too much or very limit may also indicate cheap).
Just like a wg will do anything for very small amount of money, which makes you feel she is comparably cheap(price)
or
Only few services provide(poor services)

From my experiences, the average price should be between 80-130 p/h, or you can say 80/100/130(the three most common prices from my observation)

Hope this can help you more or less.

Realistically anything less than £80 per hour is "too cheap" in my opinion.

Aspen

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Realistically anything less than £80 per hour is "too cheap" in my opinion.

How can it be too cheap?

Provided the girl is okay, I can't see how it could be too cheap. I only go for half hour at a time, but I've had several at 30 and they have been good.
 

Offline blackburnian

It depends, if you simply want to empty your balls then there is no such thing as too cheap, if you want a proper punt with a good range of services then with the odd exception anything below £80 or even £100 per hour tends to be crap.

You can still have a crap punt at any price , but the really cheap punts are almost without exception girls who want to see as many punters as possible per day, not ones I'd like to punt with.

Bb

Offline smiths

Hey ladies/fellas..

A friend recently asked me if I would punt with a girl that was 'too cheap'... He didn't specify what 'too cheap was' and I don't really know where the line is drawn between 'too cheap' and average so I don't really know where to stand with this topic.

I know a lot of you on here have a maximum budget for a punt, but, do any of you feel that there is such a thing as 'too cheap'?

No as it depends on the WG what she decides to charge and there is no correlation in my over 30 years punting between what a WG charges and how good a WG she might be. Example of this is i have paid £300 and £350 an hour some years ago now and those WGs were no better in anyway than those i paid £100 an hour to or even less. Knowing this i now have an absolute cap of £200 an hour which i wouldnt go over, although i the last 6 years the most i have paid 121 is £180 an hour and those WGs were good and VFM to me.

A Soho Walk-Up quicky is around £30-35 and designed for punters who only want a pump, dump and leave type service. Some Soho Walk-Up WGs have had great reputations over the years, Paris being one who then went on to become an Indie and Parlour WG. Also some WGs who advertise on A/W offer quickies from between £30-40, most i have seen nearer £40 than £30.

Then some WGs mainly EE WGs offer half hours from £40-50 upwards and hours from £60 upwards, in London anyway.

Like with any WG you havent punted with its always best to be suspicious in my view but that applies to any WG at any rate and what this site can help punters with of course. There are some reviews on these ultra cheap WGs on here, Steve2 to name but one punter often finds gems at these rates and has had good punts as i know seeing as he is a mate. Most reviews though are on WGs who charge over £80 an hour, i punted with one myself not that long ago as have a number of other punters who reviewed her, most posted the same as me, she is a good WG who offers a good service, proof positive that cheaper WGs can be good.

Least i have paid apart from at Soho Walk-Ups many years ago is £70 an hour and the WG was good, but i have paid £80-90 an hour many times over the years and had many good punts as well as some bad ones.

Some on here will warn of avoiding sub £100 an hour WGs, i see it that they are all separate individuals so it will be the WGs individual attitude that determines how good she is, not what her or her pimp if she has one decide to charge. I view it that its a WGs business what she charges, if too much for me i look elsewhere. There is always a lot of speculation on here about WGs especially foreign ones being forced to be WGs. Sadly there have been cases of this but its never yet been proven by convictions that its a widespread problem despite the police actually looking for evidence during Operations Pentameter 1 and 2. I go on this, not hearsay and unproven speculation. I use my best judgement and wouldnt knowingly punt with a forced woman, literally ANY WG could be being coerced/forced though for all most punters would know, i am not privvy to a WGs life.

In addition there are sex parties that i go to on ocassion that charge £60 for 3 hours so £20 an hour, although you have to pay the £60 in all. This is ultra budget partying with a maximum ratio of 5.1 so far too much, however i have yet to see it more than 3.1 myself, the reason its so cheap as it COULD be up to 5.1 though.

If you read reviews and ask for recommendations hopefully you will locate WGs at a price your prepared to pay.

Never believe a Parlour, Agency or Party are automatically more respectable than an Indie, some of these places are run by low life scum, punting isnt regulated and the police allow brothels to operate depending on the top cops attitude in any given area, doesnt mean they definitely offer a good service. I personally have no problems with Parlours or Parties that offer a good service, they offer the WG the premises to work out of which is of course a WGs biggest expense. In London at least that isnt necessarily the case with Agencies yet they take by agreement the same kind of cut of the WGs fees, and as most Agencies in London start at £150 an hour they dont offer me VFM which i require so i nowadays dont and wont be punting through them again.

Offline smiths

Realistically anything less than £80 per hour is "too cheap" in my opinion.

I am very glad i didnt listen to you or i would of missed out on a WG who charged me £70 an hour a couple of years ago who was good, now gone afaik.

Offline Jimmyredcab

Yes, there is such a thing as "too cheap", the more you go below £100 an hour the greater the risk of a bad punt, if they charge £60 an hour you could get stung for extras or have your time cut short.
Quality girls have no need to drop below £100 an hour.

Offline smiths

Yes, there is such a thing as "too cheap", the more you go below £100 an hour the greater the risk of a bad punt, if they charge £60 an hour you could get stung for extras or have your time cut short.
Quality girls have no need to drop below £100 an hour.

Absolute rubbish again about quality WGs not needing to go under £100 an hour, Hot Katalina punted with by me and some others on here at £80 an hour proves it. Up to her what she charges, as i know you view ALL WGs who charge under £100 an hour as skanks, totally and completely wrong in reality.

Online akauya

Smiths my man! :thumbsup:

You said everything I wanted to say (did you noticed I sent my ideas to you telepathically?) :D


Joking aside, the problem with some stupid punters banging on about sub £100 prossies being too cheap and skanks (and we know who the leader on that camp is don't we?) is that as UKP is becoming more and more popular a lot of newbie prossies will see all that bullshit and will think that we value a prossie by the amount she charges rather than the actual service she provides regardless of the price.

So thanks to those morons who bang on about "cheap skanks" we are shooting ourselves in the foot. What we should be encouraging is the fact that SERVICE is paramount and that an expensive prossie does not necessarily give a great service.


Offline smiths

Smiths my man! :thumbsup:

You said everything I wanted to say (did you noticed I sent my ideas to you telepathically?) :D


Joking aside, the problem with some stupid punters banging on about sub £100 prossies being too cheap and skanks (and we know who the leader on that camp is don't we?) is that as UKP is becoming more and more popular a lot of newbie prossies will see all that bullshit and will think that we value a prossie by the amount she charges rather than the actual service she provides regardless of the price.

So thanks to those morons who bang on about "cheap skanks" we are shooting ourselves in the foot. What we should be encouraging is the fact that SERVICE is paramount and that an expensive prossie does not necessarily give a great service.

Very well said, i couldnt agree with you more. :thumbsup: The point is its PROVEN by a number of us that there are good WGs who charge under £100 a hour as well. Its not as though no one has ever reported a good punt with a sub £100 an hour WG on here. ;)

vorian

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Smiths my man! :thumbsup:

You said everything I wanted to say (did you noticed I sent my ideas to you telepathically?) :D


Joking aside, the problem with some stupid punters banging on about sub £100 prossies being too cheap and skanks (and we know who the leader on that camp is don't we?) is that as UKP is becoming more and more popular a lot of newbie prossies will see all that bullshit and will think that we value a prossie by the amount she charges rather than the actual service she provides regardless of the price.

So thanks to those morons who bang on about "cheap skanks" we are shooting ourselves in the foot. What we should be encouraging is the fact that SERVICE is paramount and that an expensive prossie does not necessarily give a great service.

Very well said, i couldnt agree with you more. :thumbsup: The point is its PROVEN by a number of us that there are good WGs who charge under £100 a hour as well. Its not as though no one has ever reported a good punt with a sub £100 an hour WG on here. ;)

I could'nt agree with you both more. You can without doubt get good punts under £100. However price is just one indicator anyway, reviews and research are far more important to reduce the risk of a bad punt.

cornbeefinspector

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I find little or no diffference betweed punts at £80 and punts at £100 , even had good punts at £60

but I would agree that if you pay more then you have a better chance of a decent punt.

it's horses for courses, if you kust want your balls emptied, and don't want to go diy, then a £60 punt can be fine and do the trick

all prices quoted are for the hour

Offline latecomer

I've always found that paying more doesn't guarantee a better experience so no, there is no such thing as too cheap for me.

Offline CBPaul

Price is no indicator of quality, £200 doesn't guarantee a great punt and £60 doesn't guarantee a crap punt. Not that I have seen anything below £70 in this area.

I can only comment on the area I punt - East Anglia. Average prices are £100 - £120 per hour for an EE girl, £130 - £140 for a Brit. Profiles for £80 an hour generally have something wrong with them, B&S, PG scams, shite service from a choice of 5 Romanians sharing a room in certain hotels.

So for me, £80 is not too cheap in relation not punting but rather it serves as a warning to be extra vigilant and do a little more research before booking and ending up with a bad experience.

Offline bestbefore

Absolute rubbish again about quality WGs not needing to go under £100 an hour, Hot Katalina punted with by me and some others on here at £80 an hour proves it. Up to her what she charges, as i know you view ALL WGs who charge under £100 an hour as skanks, totally and completely wrong in reality.

Completely agree. There is no correlation at all between quality and price. Fantastic punts out there at £80 or less. Liliana, Danna, Mariann, katalina, Xena and many more etc etc
And no, I am not giving links- just use the search facility!
These girls are all attractive, friendly, great comms, give great service, no extras. Decent flats.
Not a skank among them.

Offline Madone1

I've had some crap punts that were 200 plus an hour with some stunning looking girls and the problem was always the same the attitude that there doing you a favour and you should be thankful that your getting a service at all. Price don't mean shit the girl makes the punt good not what she charges.

Offline smiths

I've had some crap punts that were 200 plus an hour with some stunning looking girls and the problem was always the same the attitude that there doing you a favour and you should be thankful that your getting a service at all. Price don't mean shit the girl makes the punt good not what she charges.

Spot on. ;)

Offline smiths

Completely agree. There is no correlation at all between quality and price. Fantastic punts out there at £80 or less. Liliana, Danna, Mariann, katalina, Xena and many more etc etc
And no, I am not giving links- just use the search facility!
These girls are all attractive, friendly, great comms, give great service, no extras. Decent flats.
Not a skank among them.

Yep, i just hope punters reading this take note, and dont get sucked into the pay more, it must be better mindset. ;)

Hellraiser

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This may be a misguided way to look at it but I feel that if a prostitute is only charging £60 an hour, then she is seeing dozens of clients a week, hundreds of punters a month and that puts me off.

vorian

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This may be a misguided way to look at it but I feel that if a prostitute is only charging £60 an hour, then she is seeing dozens of clients a week, hundreds of punters a month and that puts me off.

To be fair HR if they were charging £200ph they could be still be seeing dozens of clients per week, hundreds per month, if they say they aren't, well prossies lie we all know that. Of course a punter might have a perception of price linking to quality. That goes on everyday in supermarkets but thats about marketing. What about the prossies that charge £10,000 a night are they worth that much more than an AW escort, imho not but they have excellent contacts and marketing thats all which some people will perceive as quality.

Gordo987

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Price is no indicator of quality, £200 doesn't guarantee a great punt and £60 doesn't guarantee a crap punt. Not that I have seen anything below £70 in this area.


Totally agree. In the past I've been guilty of believing in the "too cheap" fallacy. There used to be a Polish girl in Bolton offering her services at £40 and hour. She didn't look bad, and I even talked to her at least once, but in the end I just couldn't accept the situation.  :unknown:

Offline smiths

This may be a misguided way to look at it but I feel that if a prostitute is only charging £60 an hour, then she is seeing dozens of clients a week, hundreds of punters a month and that puts me off.

Yes they could be, but so could a WG who charges a much higher rate for all i would know as fact. As i have no way of knowing i dont concern myself with it, plus i couldnt care less, if i did i wouldnt go to parties of course.

I also never just believe a WG who says she only punts with say 3 punters a week as some will know telling the truth might put some punters off so its in their financial interests to lie.

Punting isnt for the squeamish in my opinion, if a punter is really concerned about who and what WGs are up to with other punters to the degree that it spoils his punting then its not for him as i see it.

Hellraiser

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To be fair HR if they were charging £200ph they could be still be seeing dozens of clients per week, hundreds per month, if they say they aren't, well prossies lie we all know that. Of course a punter might have a perception of price linking to quality. That goes on everyday in supermarkets but thats about marketing. What about the prossies that charge £10,000 a night are they worth that much more than an AW escort, imho not but they have excellent contacts and marketing thats all which some people will perceive as quality.


Totally agree with you but I would argue, again misguidedly no doubt, that the number of punters willing to pay £200 an hour are few and far between and very much a minority, especially the further out you get from London. I am prepared to pay that much sometimes and, whenever I have tried to make a booking, I can always get a girl within a hour or two's notice. I would say their phones are exactly ringing off the hook.

Again, it's more about perception and in reality a £200 an hour girl is indeed just as likely to be skanky as a £60 an hour a prossie.

vorian

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Yes they could be, but so could a WG who charges a much higher rate for all i would know as fact. As i have no way of knowing i dont concern myself with it, plus i couldnt care less, if i did i wouldnt go to parties of course.

I also never just believe a WG who says she only punts with say 3 punters a week as some will know telling the truth might put some punters off so its in their financial interests to lie.

Punting isnt for the squeamish in my opinion, if a punter is really concerned about who and what WGs are up to with other punters to the degree that it spoils his punting then its not for him as i see it.

Agreed, not my business what a WG does outside of my paid time with her, don't care how many guys she has fucked as long as she is clean and giving me 100% effort and focus. As you said smiths punting is certainly not for the squeamish and party punting even more so.

Offline smiths


Totally agree with you but I would argue, again misguidedly no doubt, that the number of punters willing to pay £200 an hour are few and far between and very much a minority, especially the further out you get from London. I am prepared to pay that much sometimes and, whenever I have tried to make a booking, I can always get a girl within a hour or two's notice. I would say their phones are exactly ringing off the hook.

Again, it's more about perception and in reality a £200 an hour girl is indeed just as likely to be skanky as a £60 an hour a prossie.

IMO there are probably many punters punting who pay £200 an hour in London. This is why Agencies charge so much, and have done for many years. They simply must get enough punters at that rate or they wouldnt stick to it my logic tells me. Loads of punters arent aware of or interested in this site.

As i see it we on here arent necessarily representative of punters as a whole because i believe there are a hell of a lot of mug punters about.

Another reason some punters will pay high to me rates is because they think it will mean the WG would of punted with fewer punters that day and the dregs like me wouldnt of punted with them. At least some of these punters are the deluded and/or the uncaring rich. Some WGs, the High Class, Courtesan or Elite as they call themselves are aiming of course for these punters, doesnt in anyway mean the WG is a good WG though obviously. Just marketing.

Offline Steve2

Yes, there is such a thing as "too cheap", the more you go below £100 an hour the greater the risk of a bad punt, if they charge £60 an hour you could get stung for extras or have your time cut short.
Quality girls have no need to drop below £100 an hour.

And in reverse Jimbo. Girls charging £100/hr might charge you for extras and/or cut your time short

A classic example is /was the Bunny Lounge where everything seemed to be an extra

Relax and enjoy your holiday

 :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:


Gordo987

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This may be a misguided way to look at it but I feel that if a prostitute is only charging £60 an hour, then she is seeing dozens of clients a week, hundreds of punters a month and that puts me off.

IMHO, this is just as much of a fallacy as the "too cheap" idea. In any case, punters can never know how many customers a girl is seeing. Some parlour girls work under different names on different shifts in more than one parlour, so the rotors can't be a reliable indication of how often girls work. Anyway, she's yours for however long you are paying her. If you want em fresh, try identifying the amateurs and part timers. :unknown:

cornbeefinspector

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And in reverse Jimbo. Girls charging £100/hr might charge you for extras and/or cut your time short

A classic example is /was the Bunny Lounge where everything seemed to be an extra

Relax and enjoy your holiday

 :hi: :hi: :hi: :hi:

Jim where as I do agree with you that with a cheaper  girl there might be extras, these things can be checked before parting with any cash, also it's not unheard of of more expensive girls charging for extras !!

a10

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It's subjective. I do, however, use the "less than £100 ph" line as a marker for skepticism when viewing a profile. A positive review on UKP will allay any fears I have though.

In my punting area the 120/150 an hour seems to be average with WGs charging above that needing to justify it through service and/or looks.

Essentially it boils down to whether you feel the service was worth the rate you paid. Which in turn influences whether you will return to said WG.

Offline sumertime

Probably because of my peripatetic work life, I like the security and cleanliness of Hotels. Thinking back, most of the disasters I have had have been at private dwellings.  So what am I getting at!!  If a WG needs to fork out £100 for a room she has to recover that from the punters not necessarily so with an apartment - I feel a little happier to pay more in a hotel than some place I don't know.... £80/hr in a hotel sounds cheap & £150 in a private (not known) sounds a bit top side.

But then saying all this.. one of my best ever punts was in a small, shared apartment at £80 and one of my worst was a plush hotel at £250/hr...

Would I go for a £60/hr in a terraced house in seedy part of town!? Probably not...

Oh well  :(

vorian

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Probably because of my peripatetic work life, I like the security and cleanliness of Hotels. Thinking back, most of the disasters I have had have been at private dwellings.  So what am I getting at!!  If a WG needs to fork out £100 for a room she has to recover that from the punters not necessarily so with an apartment - I feel a little happier to pay more in a hotel than some place I don't know.... £80/hr in a hotel sounds cheap & £150 in a private (not known) sounds a bit top side.

But then saying all this.. one of my best ever punts was in a small, shared apartment at £80 and one of my worst was a plush hotel at £250/hr...

Would I go for a £60/hr in a terraced house in seedy part of town!? Probably not...

Oh well  :(

I must admit when discussing prices I assume that people are talking about a 1 hour Incall price as a baseline standard. I accept that an outcall will have a reasonable additional cost say £20 to cover travel expenses.

Offline smiths

Probably because of my peripatetic work life, I like the security and cleanliness of Hotels. Thinking back, most of the disasters I have had have been at private dwellings.  So what am I getting at!!  If a WG needs to fork out £100 for a room she has to recover that from the punters not necessarily so with an apartment - I feel a little happier to pay more in a hotel than some place I don't know.... £80/hr in a hotel sounds cheap & £150 in a private (not known) sounds a bit top side.

But then saying all this.. one of my best ever punts was in a small, shared apartment at £80 and one of my worst was a plush hotel at £250/hr...

Would I go for a £60/hr in a terraced house in seedy part of town!? Probably not...

Oh well  :(

I sometimes punt with WGs who are working from Hotels which they are paying for, they dont charge me anymore often than WGs who work from their own premises. Some are on tour down her from oop north. Obviously that WG is hoping to be busy enough to make a good profit and will punt with a number of punters from that room per day, so its not just you that needs to cover her room costs of course.

I dont agree £80 per day is cheap for a hotel room outside Central London but i am a tightwad who uses Trivago, Laterooms and Olotels among others to look for cheap deals which i have often found. I dont know though punt in hotel rooms i book, thats for romantic meetings only. I can sometimes get a 4 star hotel for less than £80 a night, in fact i stayed at West Lodge Park, a 4 star hotel in Hadley Wood a year or so back for £45 a night and very nice it was to. Always worth shopping around for deals but its hard to beat booking a Travelodge well in advance, and get a room for £12 a night with a Toby Carvery, Bar and free car park.

I have punted with WGs in a number of very expensive Central London hotels as well but again their rates werent more than £150 an hour, the room was £250 a night or more on ocassion though. Sure a £60-100 an hour WG is more likely to work out of a Travelodge or Ibis than pay £250 a night or anywhere near. I have punted with WGs in both the above and especially Ibis which cost about £55-60 a night.

Offline smiths

I must admit when discussing prices I assume that people are talking about a 1 hour Incall price as a baseline standard. I accept that an outcall will have a reasonable additional cost say £20 to cover travel expenses.

Its certainly Incalls only i am posting about as i dont do Outcalls. I read Summertimes post as him saying he visits WGs in their hotel rooms so if correct thats still an Incall of course. ;)

vorian

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Its certainly Incalls only i am posting about as i dont do Outcalls. I read Summertimes post as him saying he visits WGs in their hotel rooms so if correct thats still an Incall of course. ;)

Sorry of course, I to don't do outcalls either and sometimes mix up the terminology, my apologies.

Offline smiths

Sorry of course, I to don't do outcalls either and sometimes mix up the terminology, my apologies.

No worries. ;)

password02

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+1 with Mr Smiths - totally agree'' that the more you pay the better the WG'' is a crap line does not exist IMO - Yes there are times when it may be unlikely that a 200 WG may be crap but again it does happen - i have had a crap British girl for 160 ph which was a complete waste of time  whereas HOT Katalina at 80 in North London is pure quality VFM - seeing her again next

As said many time before price is no correlation to quality - 'Too Cheap'' will mean lots of different price ranges to different people - I usually set my starting limit per houris  at 60 and go up to as much as 180 ph depending on the girl - I have had many 2 and 3 hour sessions paying anything from 200 -300 pounds and to me all good VFM - Top girls that I have had for +2 hours include Platinum Cindy, Sexy Dee, Michelle Indi, Ms Madlin Moon. Jessy189 - all these girls to me are pure sex on legs and in my case top girls

potato

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This subject comes up time and time again and I think the majority agree that what a girl charges does not necessarily relate to the service given. Girls seem to pick prices out of mid air - or usually by copying what others display. The prices they charge bear no relation to their real overheads or the service they provide. I am a staunch advocator of ensuring that we don't talk up prices on here by intimating that higher rates leads to a better service - that's just bollocks in my view.  Its a strange market where we have Trained Fire-fighters risking their lives each day for less than £20 an hour.... Maybe things need to be put back into perspective?

Alde

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How can it be too cheap?

Provided the girl is okay, I can't see how it could be too cheap. I only go for half hour at a time, but I've had several at 30 and they have been good.

Links please.

GeeWiz

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Worth bearing in mind that on the UK average salary of £26,500 you 'd bring home £80.58 a day.  I've had regulars at £40 incall and £50 outcall, both smart twenty-somethings.  There is no such thing as cheap, it's just market forces.

SirFrank

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I have a saying in life - pay cheap pay twice

Offline berksboy

"Worth bearing in mind that on the UK average salary of £26,500 " 

Maybe the ave but most  are on a lot less , so say £80hr to open your legs is very good pay ( and how long does she fuck for in a hr punt ?)  i know all you guys can bang away for 50min !  me i an done in 48min .

DaveMugabe

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some of my best fucks have been free.  Cheap doesnt mean low quality

Gordo987

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some of my best fucks have been free.  Cheap doesnt mean low quality

Hah - ALL of my best fucks have been free - with women I've been in a relationship with.  :thumbsup:

Gordo987

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I have a saying in life - pay cheap pay twice

A also have a saying - a fuck is a fuck.  :wacko:

Offline Steve2

If we are going all philosophical


There is no such thing as a FREE fuck

Gordo987

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If we are going all philosophical


There is no such thing as a FREE fuck

For you, maybe  :cool:

Offline Steve2

For you, maybe  :cool:

Not just me. For all of us

"free fucks", then add the cost of drinks, dinner, cinema/theatre . all with NO guarantees

But maybe where you are...1/2 of lager and a bag of crisps

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« Last Edit: February 27, 2014, 11:17:09 am by Steve2 »

Online mightymunce

This isna question of price versus value methinks.
If price equates to value, low price is poor value!
Not always convinced myself

Aspen

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Links please.

If you look on AW there are selection boxes you can use to filter prices and all sorts of body features etc.