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[andrew.michael]

I’ve been reading your posts and I am in the same boat! AW isn’t really doing it anymore and the SA seems the way to go. Set up a profile a few weeks back and getting messages but debated on subscription as in lockdown so was thinking end of Feb or Mar.

But maybe the approach you have is good, start getting the numbers and then have things ready for then.

Other than the one who wanted money transfer did you get loads of others selling pics? Or many who are just SP but on the site?

yeah i’ve had a few online only but i think you can weed those out better by checking their description and seeing what they’re looking for. go for girls that have their social media connected to their account also. if she has 1 photo then i don’t contact them because the way i see it there’s not enough effort there (probably just window shopping)

the legit girls i’m talking to who haven’t done this before it’s a graft. i’m hoping they sober down by the next 2-3 weeks and are then open to meeting up (they haven’t asked for money or anything online).

plenty of flaky girls though. i was suppose to meet one today (locally) and she’s blocked my number after sending me loads of videos of herself.

next time i renew membership is when we go out of lockdown again but this is a good learning experience with a discount membership.

just a tip, never mention money / sex in the SA chat. i like to take things to whatsapp/telegram.

[Danj89]

A normal looking guy in his 30s offering 150 overnight would probably get left waiting at the bar if a 50 year old overweight guy offered the girl 400 for the same gig. IMO.

I have to agree and disagree on this one tp. I think it all depends on where the sb is on the sb to escort spectrum and how long they have been around. The newer sbs who are more curious and shy and been put off by people sending rude messages off the bat, they are more likely to go with a 30 something who has a bit more game and can make them feel more comfortable.

I think after a girl has 2/3 meets and been on the site for a few weeks and used to it then i agree she would be more likely to go for the 50 year old overweight guy once she knows what the site has been about, had a few offers and meets under her belt she will slowly side to being more pro sb than new sb.

[datwabbit]

I have to agree and disagree on this one tp. I think it all depends on where the sb is on the sb to escort spectrum and how long they have been around. The newer sbs who are more curious and shy and been put off by people sending rude messages off the bat, they are more likely to go with a 30 something who has a bit more game and can make them feel more comfortable.

I think after a girl has 2/3 meets and been on the site for a few weeks and used to it then i agree she would be more likely to go for the 50 year old overweight guy once she knows what the site has been about, had a few offers and meets under her belt she will slowly side to being more pro sb than new sb.

The maximum age criteria is interesting.

There must be a default 60+ and a few select this. But others select 45,55 as maximum. I've seen a few who are 18-21 ask for a maximum of 30. They're the ones who see SA as a pure dating site.

[Danj89]

Just realised I quoted a post from 2019, lol thought I was reading the latest page on the thread.

[Cunning Punt]

I've seen a few who are 18-21 ask for a maximum of 30. They're the ones who see SA as a pure dating site.

...and don't get anywhere.

They're clearly looking for a good looking, younger guy - and many are also expecting him to be rich as well. But if you're a good looking guy in your 20s then you don't want or need to use SA - and certainly don't want to pay £95 a month for it.

[datwabbit]

There can't be many guys willing to pay a sub at the new price right now surely. Quite a few profiles mention online so unless you're hoping to get numbers to meet up later, it'll be better vfm to wait.

[Jpmcgee]

...and don't get anywhere.

They're clearly looking for a good looking, younger guy - and many are also expecting him to be rich as well. But if you're a good looking guy in your 20s then you don't want or need to use SA - and certainly don't want to pay £95 a month for it.

Respectfully I disagree. I’m in my early 30s and have done Ok historically meeting attractive women in bars, through friends, dating apps, the gym etc.

The reason I use the platform is because the sex with them is a country mile better than women elsewhere. I’m not comparing sex vs a working girl, I’m comparing vs ‘civvies’

The genuine filthy, submissive and wanting to please you nature of them makes for the best sex you’ll ever have

(I don’t do paid/allowance meets or arrangements with women from SA)

[dmitrybulgakov]

(I don’t do paid/allowance meets or arrangements with women from SA)

Then what is your modus operandi?

[Cunning Punt]

Respectfully I disagree. I’m in my early 30s

Er, then you're not in your 20s then. 

[dmitrybulgakov]

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Just block her on your social media proactively.

This is Tiffany Anderson for sure.
Beware
Name and shame this known low-life.

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[wirehair]

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This is Tiffany Anderson for sure.
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Thought the face looked familiar!

[lusine99]

My experiences haven't been too great. Ive been scammed for money for "travel expenses" 3 times. It's my own fault. I've been catfishes twice. Had only two great experiences with two hot girls that lasted two weeks each however. It's a chore though. Especially, covid times, dinner is out and the amount of girls taking advantage of online is obscene. And ppm rates can be very high.
  I suggest asking for verification pics before. Like a pic of them doing a thumbs up or something stupid like that. And obviously if they ask for gas money via cashapp. Dont.
  Maybe it's the covid times. Maybe it's a good place to prey on lonely older men. Had better experiences with nicer more honest girls just punting.

[Wowgeek]

I don’t usually post unless I have something specific to say, but thought I’d stick my two penn’orth in as I find myself with a little spare time.

I have toyed with Tinder, What’s Your Price, Sugar Daddy Meets and Seeking Arrangement to varying degrees over the past 18 months or so and used Tinder when abroad. I will dismiss WYP as they require a picture to be able to post and I am never going to pay someone just to have lunch with me. I have met women on the other three sites, some I haven’t seen again after the initial, free, M&G for a variety of reasons. One decided, after meeting me, that sugar dating wasn’t for her, but we still stay in touch   

The most I’ve been asked for is £5,000 per month 😱 but, mostly, the ppm women are happy with £200 - £300 and, I agree with what others have said, the time is much more relaxed, no clock watching, and the sex, especially with those that are looking to learn from an older man, is great. My favourite response is ‘well I haven’t tried that before, but ok, let’s do it’.

I have seen some semi-professionals, by that I mean those that have profiles on more than one platform, and, of course, several who straight up identify as escorts. But, I would say that the majority have been young women looking to broaden their experiences and wouldn’t, in any circumstances, identify as, or recognise that they may be ‘escorting’. For me, the main difference is that they get much greater say over who they see and what happens. Of course, you can argue the semantics of it, but I don’t see them, generally, in the same pot and, as a consequence, wouldn’t consider any sort of review but would quite happily provide info on scammers etc. I did review Britishamericanmix recently, but that was because they had escorting profiles on two sites so were fair game in my view.

I have not, and will never, send pictures or any sort of deposit before meeting. This does, of course, curtail several promising leads in the early stages, but I make that part of my introduction so I don’t waste any time in weeding them out. My experience is that genuine women will meet, without any preconditions, if the chat and charm works. Sometimes it takes a week or two of chat, sometimes a day or so.

I sent five HNY messages to women I have seen this year and all responded saying we will meet again this year. I hope some of this adds to the conversation.

[HeavyRepeater25]

Open question to the forum but is this site a scam? I signed up out of curiousity and not long before I started getting favourited/messages I have to pay £95! to subscribe/read. Was on it last night and my little brain was getting the better of me, attempted to pay and got an instant decline from the bank and a fraud alert text message. Semi-anticipated this, so I tried with my other card and got exactly the same. Did a quick Google search review of the site and found a (banned site removed) page littered with reasons why NOT to sign up to the site. Primarily saying most profiles are fake, when you sign up all the women who messaged previously suddenly ghost, accounts close without reason. I mean it's a shame as there are seemingly some hot women on there, but I do find it odd that I post the exact same profile pic on there (I'm probably a fair 7/10 looks wise) and get a ton of interest, yet exactly the same profile pic on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge/Pof/Fabswingers etc. gets absolutely zero traction so I am hesitant/skeptical.

[Cunning Punt]

I have not, and will never, send pictures or any sort of deposit before meeting. This does, of course, curtail several promising leads in the early stages, but I make that part of my introduction so I don’t waste any time in weeding them out. My experience is that genuine women will meet, without any preconditions, if the chat and charm works.

If one has no photos at all on SA or WA then that will make things more difficult - girls smell a rat if there are no photos just as guys do. Even if you have photos on SA, many girls ask for a photo on WA just to check you are the same person etc - again just as guys do. So asking for this does not necessarily mean they're not genuine.

But yes, I do get a bit suspicious if a girl is particularly insistent on me sending photos via WA when there are a couple of clear photos on SA and a pic on my WA profile. Often I just suggest a video call, which also means you can see if she is genuine and you are going to get on with her.

[ik8133]

My favourite response is ‘well I haven’t tried that before, but ok, let’s do it’.

Out of interest, what do you introduce that's new to the girls?  Are some fairly inexperienced?

[Bobbins1973]

Open question to the forum but is this site a scam? I signed up out of curiousity and not long before I started getting favourited/messages I have to pay £95! to subscribe/read. Was on it last night and my little brain was getting the better of me, attempted to pay and got an instant decline from the bank and a fraud alert text message. Semi-anticipated this, so I tried with my other card and got exactly the same. Did a quick Google search review of the site and found a Trust Pilot page littered with reasons why NOT to sign up to the site. Primarily saying most profiles are fake, when you sign up all the women who messaged previously suddenly ghost, accounts close without reason. I mean it's a shame as there are seemingly some hot women on there, but I do find it odd that I post the exact same profile pic on there (I'm probably a fair 7/10 looks wise) and get a ton of interest, yet exactly the same profile pic on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge/Pof/Fabswingers etc. gets absolutely zero traction so I am hesitant/skeptical.

The site is great if sensible and know how to play it. Does take a lot of time but just finding 1 or 2 regulars for the price is a no brainier compared to AW
Sure the addition of VAT and recent price increase of a pain, so is not being able to sub by PayPal/Apple Pay but if you have a budget, a type and free time then the possibilities are endless
Bit daft to sub now whilst in lockdown as it’s unrealistic to meet as most conversations fizzle out of dong strike whilst the irons hot but when you break it down the entertainment you get from a months sub which is the equivalent to price of a coffee or pint then nothing much to lose
Be realistic and if they look like super models then they expect to be treated likewise but most are either down on their luck, wanting a little attention or young and looking for a little guidance/mentorship

[Wowgeek]

Out of interest, what do you introduce that's new to the girls?  Are some fairly inexperienced?

Not so much inexperienced as vanilla. Although I have had three different girls on Tinder who claimed they were virgins and were looking to lose it with an experienced man 😂😂😂

Certainly quite a few have never had a finger up their arse, or fingers in arse and pussy with clit stimulation at the same time. Spanking, DT, watersports etc. The list is yours to add to.

[Wowgeek]

If one has no photos at all on SA or WA then that will make things more difficult - girls smell a rat if there are no photos just as guys do. Even if you have photos on SA, many girls ask for a photo on WA just to check you are the same person etc - again just as guys do. So asking for this does not necessarily mean they're not genuine.

But yes, I do get a bit suspicious if a girl is particularly insistent on me sending photos via WA when there are a couple of clear photos on SA and a pic on my WA profile. Often I just suggest a video call, which also means you can see if she is genuine and you are going to get on with her.

I agree that it reduces the field and I certainly understand why they would want one, but I have a well rehearsed script that explains my reasoning including, but not limited to, the fact that I could nick some from a random Instagram feed and they wouldn’t know if it was me, or not, until we met in any event.

I did actually do one video call with a very insistent woman who I’d spent a couple of weeks talking to and, the moment we connected, it was quite clear that she was just trying to find out if I was her friend’s cheating husband as she was sat next to her and when she showed her the phone she said no and ended the call!

[HeavyRepeater25]

The site is great if sensible and know how to play it. Does take a lot of time but just finding 1 or 2 regulars for the price is a no brainier compared to AW
Sure the addition of VAT and recent price increase of a pain, so is not being able to sub by PayPal/Apple Pay but if you have a budget, a type and free time then the possibilities are endless
Bit daft to sub now whilst in lockdown as it’s unrealistic to meet as most conversations fizzle out of dong strike whilst the irons hot but when you break it down the entertainment you get from a months sub which is the equivalent to price of a coffee or pint then nothing much to lose
Be realistic and if they look like super models then they expect to be treated likewise but most are either down on their luck, wanting a little attention or young and looking for a little guidance/mentorship

There is one local(ish) to me that perked my interest. Says 'no comment's under the kids part (although her photos look to be taken in a playroom). Also says married but no mention in description. I was able to click request to see private photos and they get a bit raunchier. I dunno, the sceptic in me thinks it's a fake profile to appeal to the "White Knight/Captain Save-a-Hoe" in some men. I also messaged saying it wouldn't let me go premium (before she allowed photo access), and even spelt out my WhatsApp no. Owe Seven Seven etc... but no message. So it's all a bit dodgy

[ik8133]

Certainly quite a few have never had a finger up their arse, or fingers in arse and pussy with clit stimulation at the same time. Spanking, DT, watersports etc. The list is yours to add to.

Haha, I may have to gain some experience in some of things myself before I can offer them! 

[dmitrybulgakov]

Haha, I may have to gain some experience in some of things myself before I can offer them! 

Try a finger up your own arse? 
 Or try a bidet/shower stream

[ik8133]

Try a finger up your own arse? 
 Or try a bidet/shower stream
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Only finger that's been up my arse....was a doctor's! 

[dmitrybulgakov]

Try a finger up your own arse? 
 Or try a bidet/shower stream
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Only finger that's been up my arse....was a doctor's! 

Did you feel stimulated?

[ik8133]

Did you feel stimulated?

Not in the doctor's surgery as he was male, might have been different if it was a nice looking female! 

[martini2429]

Open question to the forum but is this site a scam? I signed up out of curiousity and not long before I started getting favourited/messages I have to pay £95! to subscribe/read. Was on it last night and my little brain was getting the better of me, attempted to pay and got an instant decline from the bank and a fraud alert text message. Semi-anticipated this, so I tried with my other card and got exactly the same. Did a quick Google search review of the site and found a (banned site removed) page littered with reasons why NOT to sign up to the site. Primarily saying most profiles are fake, when you sign up all the women who messaged previously suddenly ghost, accounts close without reason. I mean it's a shame as there are seemingly some hot women on there, but I do find it odd that I post the exact same profile pic on there (I'm probably a fair 7/10 looks wise) and get a ton of interest, yet exactly the same profile pic on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge/Pof/Fabswingers etc. gets absolutely zero traction so I am hesitant/skeptical.

In answer to your question, no Seeking is not a scam, I know and speak with lots of people who have had a lot of success on there, as have I, I would guess that the reason you are unable to pay up is something to do with your Bank and not Seeking, they may not allow you to sign up to sites like Seeking, check with them first, it may just be little thing or look for another way to pay, plenty of advise about that not just on this thread but other Regional threads as well

 

[dmitrybulgakov]

Thought the face looked familiar!

Find and block her, before she gets you!.

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[hungrypunt]

Out of interest, what do you introduce that's new to the girls?  Are some fairly inexperienced?

I find LOTS of them want to try anal with a guy they can trust (and who has cash)
then the toys that make noise are a plus, lots of them have never even held a toy or piece of kit and eyes/messsages light up when mentioning them

[ik8133]

Find and block her, before she gets you!.

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Think she'd give up by now!

[datwabbit]

If one has no photos at all on SA or WA then that will make things more difficult - girls smell a rat if there are no photos just as guys do. Even if you have photos on SA, many girls ask for a photo on WA just to check you are the same person etc - again just as guys do. So asking for this does not necessarily mean they're not genuine.

But yes, I do get a bit suspicious if a girl is particularly insistent on me sending photos via WA when there are a couple of clear photos on SA and a pic on my WA profile. Often I just suggest a video call, which also means you can see if she is genuine and you are going to get on with her.

I do wonder if the insistence of WA photos is to use your face on a scam. A fake dating profile not a bank fraud.

[Rockhead]

In answer to your question, no Seeking is not a scam, I know and speak with lots of people who have had a lot of success on there, as have I

Totally agree that Seeking isn’t a scam - never had problems signing up before (except for the pain of coughing up for ever escalating subscription fees of course!).

I’ve poked quite a few girls from there, though I haven’t had a membership in 2020. It’s great if you have the time, no restrictive ties, sufficient cash and - most importantly - you actually enjoy the chase process, bearing in mind that it often doesn’t result in bedroom action. As many have stated, one golden rule is not to pay for platonic or meet-and-greet style stuff - this weeds out some of the dreamers.

I’d love to get back into it, but surely there’s no point signing up right now is there? Anyone think it’s worth it just to get contacts / dialogue going in preparation for less locked down times? My instinct is ‘NOT’ but I am happy to be corrected...

[DeanoDeano]

Thanks to (in my view) all the bollocks posted on social media (Tiktok and YouTube in particular) there is a proliferation of platonic profiles on there that think they are going to get given an allowance for chatting on the phone and providing “emotional support” ranging from the simply naive to the out and out rinsers / scammers.

[HeavyRepeater25]

I'll probably wait. I'm in the process of a house move and there's nothing remotely bachelor pad about where I currently live. Plus Covid etc screwing up sale of current house.

[Brumish]

Open question to the forum but is this site a scam? I signed up out of curiousity and not long before I started getting favourited/messages I have to pay £95! to subscribe/read. Was on it last night and my little brain was getting the better of me, attempted to pay and got an instant decline from the bank and a fraud alert text message. Semi-anticipated this, so I tried with my other card and got exactly the same. Did a quick Google search review of the site and found a (banned site removed) page littered with reasons why NOT to sign up to the site. Primarily saying most profiles are fake, when you sign up all the women who messaged previously suddenly ghost, accounts close without reason. I mean it's a shame as there are seemingly some hot women on there, but I do find it odd that I post the exact same profile pic on there (I'm probably a fair 7/10 looks wise) and get a ton of interest, yet exactly the same profile pic on Tinder/Bumble/Hinge/Pof/Fabswingers etc. gets absolutely zero traction so I am hesitant/skeptical.

Good observation, and you have used a word that most would probably associate with an obvious illegal approach.
Judging by the way Brandon Wade has expressed himself into arriving at the concept and the lack of any modern day morality, he probably won't mind if some of his developers use underhand tactics. E.g encouraging a false pretence for female members. Using fake profiles from around the world (even from different parts of the country where there are other potential SDs but somehow my pic is such a magnet, perhaps employed bot operators),  the annoying pop ups that appear and also the time it takes to log out.
You can see most female profiles now mention a samaritan-esque private helpline for all of us depressed, wealthy but lonely wrinklefaces. If he wanted to, he could stop this.

[HeavyRepeater25]

I haven't read the entire 51 pages of this topic but you do wonder if some of the reviews are via Seeking Arrangements team.

[Sparta Prada]

I haven't read the entire 51 pages of this topic but you do wonder if some of the reviews are via Seeking Arrangements team.

Which reviews?

I’m aware of only one review on UKP for a girl from Seeking. There’s been lots of trumpet blowing of good/successful meets with girls from Seeking, but there’s significantly more write ups on this site of crap coffee meets/hotel meets/no-shows/scams in the open and closed threads.

[Rockhead]

I haven't read the entire 51 pages of this topic but you do wonder if some of the reviews are via Seeking Arrangements team.

I assume you mean the posts generally praising Seeking rather than reviews as such? I doubt it - on this thread we generally talk about sex and paying for sex, the precise things that might get you banned from Seeking.

More worrisome for me are the posts suggesting that Seeking has massively declined, even in the 18 months that I've been away from it. I'm still trying to get my head around how much of that is a 'natural' decline and how much is down to the pandemic.

[HeavyRepeater25]

I assume you mean the posts generally praising Seeking rather than reviews as such? I doubt it - on this thread we generally talk about sex and paying for sex, the precise things that might get you banned from Seeking.

More worrisome for me are the posts suggesting that Seeking has massively declined, even in the 18 months that I've been away from it. I'm still trying to get my head around how much of that is a 'natural' decline and how much is down to the pandemic.

Probably a combination of an influx from TikThot and people like myself who genuinely hadn't heard of it until a few months ago, primarily as I kept hearing it referenced on Red Pill YT channels. Sounds to me like it's just becoming saturated/oversubscribed.

[HeavyRepeater25]

Which reviews?

I’m aware of only one review on UKP for a girl from Seeking. There’s been lots of trumpet blowing of good/successful meets with girls from Seeking, but there’s significantly more write ups on this site of crap coffee meets/hotel meets/no-shows/scams in the open and closed threads.

I just meant the general commentary, not a review in particular. I live in the country so it's probably wasted on me anyway. There are a few hotties but it works out extra expensive if it's potentially only worth contacting a couple, and that's before they turn out to be fake 🙄

[Brumish]

I assume you mean the posts generally praising Seeking rather than reviews as such? I doubt it - on this thread we generally talk about sex and paying for sex, the precise things that might get you banned from Seeking.

More worrisome for me are the posts suggesting that Seeking has massively declined, even in the 18 months that I've been away from it. I'm still trying to get my head around how much of that is a 'natural' decline and how much is down to the pandemic.

Although it is going downhill, both in terms of quality and quantity, don't think you'll find a better alternative to have access to like minded fillies. Still good value for money imo.
I'd say the pandemic has exacerbated the situation but there was always an 'online only' option, which defines the objective of the 5 or so commandments that you're confronted with when joining.

[Carl Adams]

SA was good for me a couple of years ago but I have only paid up a couple of months since and there just seems to be wave after wave of girl who has had her head turned by "friends" who all make out they have done fantastically well.

The bottom was reached for me when dropping off a lass from a M&G (she felt we got on well & she could trust me) saying how well she was doing off SA and so did not want to see me unless I gave her an allowance like her previous experience of £1,000 per month.  Well I am not knocking Halton Moor (a rougher part of Leeds), but if that is where her earning capacity on SA has got her then something did not tally.  I left it and have been contacted every few weeks by her asking if I have changed my mind and what fantastic sex I was missing out on. Oh well.   

[dunbusy]

I’ve been a regular on SA for a few years now, I prefer it to AW, but I will confirm what everyone else is saying. It’s become extremely hard work now, less and less girls want to meet now, the figures I’ve been given are off putting to say the least-one £5k another £10k a month believe it or not! I’m late 40’s and up together, but I can’t believe that anyone would pay that amount. One unleashed a tornado of abuse on WA to myself for the suggestion that I would want physical relations with her, and the £300 she wanted was just to have a meal with her. With the lockdown in place, I’d be reluctant to join again because I wouldn’t think any of them would meet. There are an awful lot of platonic/picture sellers now, it just seems to difficult to make progress, but maybe it’s just I’m not that good looking.

[Cunning Punt]

SA was good for me a couple of years ago but I have only paid up a couple of months since and there just seems to be wave after wave of girl who has had her head turned by "friends" who all make out they have done fantastically well.

The bottom was reached for me when dropping off a lass from a M&G (she felt we got on well & she could trust me) saying how well she was doing off SA and so did not want to see me unless I gave her an allowance like her previous experience of £1,000 per month.  Well I am not knocking Halton Moor (a rougher part of Leeds), but if that is where her earning capacity on SA has got her then something did not tally.  I left it and have been contacted every few weeks by her asking if I have changed my mind and what fantastic sex I was missing out on. Oh well.

Seems a load of bollocks to me  If she was doing that well then she wouldn't be in a crap neighbourhood, as you say, or pestering you every few weeks for an arrangement. Either give her a counter offer, based on reasonable ppm, or block her because repeated hassling is just irritating.

However, deluded, arrogant and selfish girls are rarely any good in the sack so you almost certainly aren't missing out on "fantastic sex".

 

[Cunning Punt]

I’ve been a regular on SA for a few years now, I prefer it to AW, but I will confirm what everyone else is saying. It’s become extremely hard work now, less and less girls want to meet now, the figures I’ve been given are off putting to say the least-one £5k another £10k a month believe it or not! I’m late 40’s and up together, but I can’t believe that anyone would pay that amount. One unleashed a tornado of abuse on WA to myself for the suggestion that I would want physical relations with her, and the £300 she wanted was just to have a meal with her. With the lockdown in place, I’d be reluctant to join again because I wouldn’t think any of them would meet. There are an awful lot of platonic/picture sellers now, it just seems to difficult to make progress, but maybe it’s just I’m not that good looking.

Don't worry, it's not you or just you so don't fret about it. It is very hard to make progress at the moment and it seems like it's getting you down, which could put you off Seeking long-term. Therefore, I suggest you take a break and come back when the national situation is better, hopefully in a couple of months.

[cambsguy]

Anyone used Gleeden or Victoria Milan - am thinking the answer is not to bother and Seeking is the only option and have had some success there in the last few years but seeing if there are alternatives?

[Carl Adams]

Seems a load of bollocks to me  If she was doing that well then she wouldn't be in a crap neighbourhood, as you say, or pestering you every few weeks for an arrangement. Either give her a counter offer, based on reasonable ppm, or block her because repeated hassling is just irritating.

However, deluded, arrogant and selfish girls are rarely any good in the sack so you almost certainly aren't missing out on "fantastic sex".

Sorry mate - I was being very ironic.  You are totally correct and I only keep her on the phone out of amusement to see what happens next!

[JJwyatts]

Think she'd give up by now!

genuine question, what has she done, im new, she actually sent a message to me the other day, but never responded

[Steve2]

Anyone used Gleeden or Victoria Milan - am thinking the answer is not to bother and Seeking is the only option and have had some success there in the last few years but seeing if there are alternatives?

Not looking good

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[cambsguy]

No, and even plenty more fish naughty pond doesnt look great so I guess it’s seeking or nothing!

[bazza]

im sure this has been posted a few times but 50 odd pages to go through! how is best way to pay for an upgrade?