Ex-barebacker - advice please

[LM19]

Bit facetious that maybe, but I think it's all about risk/reward and what you feel comfortable with. I grew up when AIDS was starting so many of my generation spent our formative years being petrified. The reality really isn't nearly as bad as it manifested in our heads.

Oh just to add I used to avoid OWO (and many do) and there's probably more risk catching something through OWO than covered penetration.

No probably about it - Chlamydia and Gonorrhoea are infinitely more common these days and readily passed on through oral sex. It is a certainty that if you practice OWO either within the prostitution industry or in the LGBT community regularly, you will get an STD. 100%. You may not even be symptomatic, but it's a question of 'when' and not 'if'.

In this day and age it's far more worrying to get gonorrhoea than HIV, and I mean that in every way possible. HIV is so easily treated now and if you take the meds, you actually have a *longer* lifespan than those without HIV. Honestly - there's good research backing it up - mostly because you get more regular health checks. Gonorrheoa on the other hand is becoming rapidly resistant to the antibiotics we have available, and one poor fucker brought back a completely resistant strain. He's stuck with years of gonorrhoea until his body can fight it off.

TL;DR Don't fucking bareback, just wear a condom and your worst case scenario is lack of enjoyment.

[Plan R]

if you look at most girls feedback even the ones that give bareback a big no no have seen guys that have bareback girls on there feedback trouble is were all swimming in the same sewer 

Now that would be a good AW feature, an ability to exclude from search results SPs who had seen punters that have feedback to or from barebackers.
Never happen of course.

[Kev40ish]

Now that would be a good AW feature, an ability to exclude from search results SPs who had seen punters that have feedback to or from barebackers.
Never happen of course.

There honestly would be so few SPs left to be honest.
Most well reviewed  girls are only one degree of separation from a Barebacker unfortunately and most would probably only book on their phones so no real record

[threechilliman]

There honestly would be so few SPs left to be honest.
Most well reviewed  girls are only one degree of separation from a Barebacker unfortunately and most would probably only book on their phones so no real record

Agreed.

[marcello]

and most would probably only book on their phones so no real record

Exactly, every info you'd get would be hardly representative

[wristjob]

No probably about it - Chlamydia and Gonorrhoea are infinitely more common these days and readily passed on through oral sex. It is a certainty that if you practice OWO either within the prostitution industry or in the LGBT community regularly, you will get an STD. 100%. You may not even be symptomatic, but it's a question of 'when' and not 'if'.

In this day and age it's far more worrying to get gonorrhoea than HIV, and I mean that in every way possible. HIV is so easily treated now and if you take the meds, you actually have a *longer* lifespan than those without HIV. Honestly - there's good research backing it up - mostly because you get more regular health checks. Gonorrheoa on the other hand is becoming rapidly resistant to the antibiotics we have available, and one poor fucker brought back a completely resistant strain. He's stuck with years of gonorrhoea until his body can fight it off.

TL;DR Don't fucking bareback, just wear a condom and your worst case scenario is lack of enjoyment.

Gonorrhoea is largely curable so that depends on your personal situation. I remember posting about 4 years ago how it was going to be worse than HIV one day - hasn't happened yet but I still think it will.

The way HIV is now I would say after 60 why would you really care that much about it. I wouldn't want to be 20 with it but in old age, when you've had your kids and it probably won't actively reduce your life expectancy it's almost not a biggy anymore.
I remember posting on here 3-4 years ago that gonorrhoea will be worse than AIDS, Easier to catch, becoming impossible to treat.

[vw]

No probably about it - Chlamydia and Gonorrhoea are infinitely more common these days and readily passed on through oral sex. It is a certainty that if you practice OWO either within the prostitution industry or in the LGBT community regularly, you will get an STD. 100%. You may not even be symptomatic, but it's a question of 'when' and not 'if'.

In this day and age it's far more worrying to get gonorrhoea than HIV, and I mean that in every way possible. HIV is so easily treated now and if you take the meds, you actually have a *longer* lifespan than those without HIV. Honestly - there's good research backing it up - mostly because you get more regular health checks. Gonorrheoa on the other hand is becoming rapidly resistant to the antibiotics we have available, and one poor fucker brought back a completely resistant strain. He's stuck with years of gonorrhoea until his body can fight it off.

TL;DR Don't fucking bareback, just wear a condom and your worst case scenario is lack of enjoyment.

Cured quite quickly actually , not 4 years.   

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[Bangers and Gash]

In this day and age it's far more worrying to get gonorrhoea than HIV.....

I've read some bollocks on the net before, but this takes the fucking biscuit. Maybe Admin might think about introducing a short IQ test for certain members?

[TailSeeker]

No probably about it - Chlamydia and Gonorrhoea are infinitely more common these days and readily passed on through oral sex. It is a certainty that if you practice OWO either within the prostitution industry or in the LGBT community regularly, you will get an STD. 100%. You may not even be symptomatic, but it's a question of 'when' and not 'if'.

In this day and age it's far more worrying to get gonorrhoea than HIV, and I mean that in every way possible. HIV is so easily treated now and if you take the meds, you actually have a *longer* lifespan than those without HIV. Honestly - there's good research backing it up - mostly because you get more regular health checks. Gonorrheoa on the other hand is becoming rapidly resistant to the antibiotics we have available, and one poor fucker brought back a completely resistant strain. He's stuck with years of gonorrhoea until his body can fight it off.

TL;DR Don't fucking bareback, just wear a condom and your worst case scenario is lack of enjoyment.

Christ that is a load of bollocks. I'll just hit one point, there is no research showing you live longer with HIV, especially when you take away the meds. Even with treatment you tend to have a shortened life span. Just the medical, scientific reality of the condition.

[unus669]

Even with treatment you tend to have a shortened life span. Just the medical, scientific reality of the condition.

I have no link at the moment however, whenever I’ve heard medical experts discuss HIV, read literature on HIV, received  advice from GUM, the common narrative is. If you are HIV, take your meds, you’ll have a normal life expectancy. In fact, I’ve watched a documentary, where HIV affected patients, are not even contagious after a couple of months on meds

[Punterperson1971]

I’m sure I’ve read somewhere it’s not hiv you die from it’s other related diseases,as hiv lowers your immune system.

[shagmore]

I have no link at the moment however, whenever I’ve heard medical experts discuss HIV, read literature on HIV, received  advice from GUM, the common narrative is. If you are HIV, take your meds, you’ll have a normal life expectancy. In fact, I’ve watched a documentary, where HIV affected patients, are not even contagious after a couple of months on meds

And there in lies the problem, you all believe what you read in the papers or on the internet. This is why this country and society is so fucked up.
Unless you have 100% proof and facts, then don't try and make your self out to be some clever cunt, because at the endow the day you make yourself sound like just a cunt

[MilleMiglia]

I'm going to run some of the garbage being talked here past friends in the medical profession - I expect much hilarity to ensue, and much coffee to be spat on keyboards. Mind you, given that I recently saw a thread elsewhere, in which someone said, in all seriousness, that HIV only affected gay men, I guess it's to be expected.

[unus669]

And there in lies the problem, you all believe what you read in the papers or on the internet. This is why this country and society is so fucked up.
Unless you have 100% proof and facts, then don't try and make your self out to be some clever cunt, because at the endow the day you make yourself sound like just a cunt

You need to read what I said again. In there you will see medical experts and GUM. Don’t you believe your GP, when he/she diagnoses you

[TailSeeker]

I have no link at the moment however, whenever I’ve heard medical experts discuss HIV, read literature on HIV, received  advice from GUM, the common narrative is. If you are HIV, take your meds, you’ll have a normal life expectancy. In fact, I’ve watched a documentary, where HIV affected patients, are not even contagious after a couple of months on meds

There are a variety of factors around HIV that cause a wide range of complications. Outcome is linked to the strain you have, the group, and subtype (and this can be broken down further), because the treatments available are not universally effective.

Research has almost universally been done on HIV-1 subtype B, which only accounts for 12% of infections. Whilst you have HIV-1 subtype C which accounts for about half of global HIV infections. Which is why research like this from Sweden is quite concerning.

External Link/Members Only (Virological failure in patients with HIV-1 subtype C receiving antiretroviral therapy: an analysis of a prospective national cohort in Sweden, 2016).

There are also about 90 known distinct mixed viruses, it is very much possible to contract more than one subtype of HIV, and these recombine to create a unique virus.

Now, yes HIV-1 B is the believed to be the predominant subtype in Western Europe and Nothern America, travel and migration is changing that. Also, it's becoming more seen as a result of intravenous drug usage than sexual transmission, which brings in a secondary complicating factor.

So while it is certainly true that it is possible, if you stick to the medication regime, you could have a fairly close to normal lifespan. This is the minority of positive individuals.

And as another poster pointed out, it's not HIV that will kill you, it's the complications from it, which increase in likelihood with age. There the cancers, potential liver and kidney damage from the medication, increased susceptibility to other infections, and others.

One of the common medications for HIV infections is truveda, which is also the PrEP med. It's well known to cause kidney and liver issues. As well as lactic acid build up in the blood. And lessen bone density. All of which will shorten your lifespan or kill you. Not everyone gets them, it's not common, but it's not that uncommon either.

For that minority, if they achieve an undetectable viral load, it is still not recommended by specialists to be regularly engaging in unprotected sex. (It's why sperm washing is offered to sero disparate couples - positive male, negative female - when trying to get pregnant, and even that doesn't completely remove the risk). Whilst it is a negligible risk, it is still there.

TL;DR: there's more than one type of HIV, they behave differently. Literature is actually not that good, and acknowledged as such in the community. Even the meds can kill you. Always wear a condom.

[unus669]

There are a variety of factors around HIV that cause a wide range of complications. Outcome is linked to the strain you have, the group, and subtype (and this can be broken down further), because the treatments available are not universally effective.

Research has almost universally been done on HIV-1 subtype B, which only accounts for 12% of infections. Whilst you have HIV-1 subtype C which accounts for about half of global HIV infections. Which is why research like this from Sweden is quite concerning.

External Link/Members Only (Virological failure in patients with HIV-1 subtype C receiving antiretroviral therapy: an analysis of a prospective national cohort in Sweden, 2016).

There are also about 90 known distinct mixed viruses, it is very much possible to contract more than one subtype of HIV, and these recombine to create a unique virus.

Now, yes HIV-1 B is the believed to be the predominant subtype in Western Europe and Nothern America, travel and migration is changing that. Also, it's becoming more seen as a result of intravenous drug usage than sexual transmission, which brings in a secondary complicating factor.

So while it is certainly true that it is possible, if you stick to the medication regime, you could have a fairly close to normal lifespan. This is the minority of positive individuals.

And as another poster pointed out, it's not HIV that will kill you, it's the complications from it, which increase in likelihood with age. There the cancers, potential liver and kidney damage from the medication, increased susceptibility to other infections, and others.

One of the common medications for HIV infections is truveda, which is also the PrEP med. It's well known to cause kidney and liver issues. As well as lactic acid build up in the blood. And lessen bone density. All of which will shorten your lifespan or kill you. Not everyone gets them, it's not common, but it's not that uncommon either.

For that minority, if they achieve an undetectable viral load, it is still not recommended by specialists to be regularly engaging in unprotected sex. (It's why sperm washing is offered to sero disparate couples - positive male, negative female - when trying to get pregnant, and even that doesn't completely remove the risk). Whilst it is a negligible risk, it is still there.

TL;DR: there's more than one type of HIV, they behave differently. Literature is actually not that good, and acknowledged as such in the community. Even the meds can kill you. Always wear a condom.

Interesting knowledge you have of this ailment. I’m thinking, is the moral of the story, don’t believe Doctors and scientists 

[TailSeeker]

Interesting knowledge you have of this ailment. I’m thinking, is the moral of the story, don’t believe Doctors and scientists 

Not sure I can say that as my background is as a scientist working in the broader field. What I will say is that the papers are poorly conveyed to the general public (even by journals summarising them), scientists can be stubborn fuckers (cats show promise as a better HIV model than monkeys, but few want to use them) and are not above misrepresenting their own research, and doctors/nurses vary wildly in knowledge level.

It's not that you shouldn't trust, but you should verify and actively try to see out counter information. Look for the anomalies and check the methodology.

[fallentrees1321]

I personally go with the view that the majority of WG's will at some point of BB with a punter, some will be doing it all the time with "regulars" etc  . I will actively avoid those that list it on their AW and say dumb stuff like "BB £30 extra if you look clean" because that personally rings alarm bells about their judgement . But I am under no illusion that the WG's I punt with will or do engage in BB with somebody .

All you can really do is reduce the risk to yourself by putting a raincoat on . But all instances of having sex both punting and civvie street carry a level of risk , the alarming number of women I have had one night stands with on civvie st who have had no aversion to bareback is as scary as BB'ing prossies , i went to a fairly decent uni and it was prevalent with girls you met in the student union bar or on other student nights .One of the times I got caught up in the moment and BB'd a one night stand in UNI was a med student .

The only way to effectively never catch anything is to practice abstinence , but this is the wrong forum for that :p   

I cannot really advise OP in this situation because the profile he linked to does nothing for me . But If I found a profile that really did it for me and only discovered what he had done during my research I would probably be inclined to still punt  .

Now that would be a good AW feature, an ability to exclude from search results SPs who had seen punters that have feedback to or from barebackers.
Never happen of course.

To be fair I doubt you would get any results if you had that criteria .

[LM19]

Large, late reply as I don't login here too often. Clearly a lot of criticism to my post which I'm happy to address. I am a doctor who's worked in GUM, so I'm fairly confident in what I'm saying. I'll give it a bit more info however - and the disclaimer that my statement about living longer with HIV than without is based on local data rather than national at the moment.

Gonorrhoea is largely curable so that depends on your personal situation. I remember posting about 4 years ago how it was going to be worse than HIV one day - hasn't happened yet but I still think it will.

The way HIV is now I would say after 60 why would you really care that much about it. I wouldn't want to be 20 with it but in old age, when you've had your kids and it probably won't actively reduce your life expectancy it's almost not a biggy anymore.
I remember posting on here 3-4 years ago that gonorrhoea will be worse than AIDS, Easier to catch, becoming impossible to treat.

Gonorrhoea without a shadow of a doubt will become resistant to most of what we have to throw at it. It's a nasty bug. I do mostly agree that HIV is less of an issue once older - that said with medication, and there are *tonnes* available these days, you can safely have sex and have children if you have an undetectable viral load. The hard bit (as can be seen here in this thread alone) is convincing people that is true.

Cured quite quickly actually , not 4 years.   

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Not sure a few weeks of IV antibiotics is quickly or easily cured...

I've read some bollocks on the net before, but this takes the fucking biscuit. Maybe Admin might think about introducing a short IQ test for certain members?

As per the start of this post, that is based on local data, but it's absolutely true. More health screening, more follow up, more drugs available with less toxicity. Our data shows you are more likely to live longer. Internationally if you look at larger studies, it still lags behind UK life expectancy because it's confounded by lower income countries. You can say it's "bollocks" but I profoundly doubt you have any substance to back it up.

Christ that is a load of bollocks. I'll just hit one point, there is no research showing you live longer with HIV, especially when you take away the meds. Even with treatment you tend to have a shortened life span. Just the medical, scientific reality of the condition.

Silly me, guess you've worked in the same Trust and GUM clinic as me then. Care to share. As above, there's a lot of confounding data, but it is the case in the UK for the most part.

Research has almost universally been done on HIV-1 subtype B, which only accounts for 12% of infections. Whilst you have HIV-1 subtype C which accounts for about half of global HIV infections. Which is why research like this from Sweden is quite concerning.

Crock of shit. Plenty of research on HIV-2 and it's lifespan is very well established.

So while it is certainly true that it is possible, if you stick to the medication regime, you could have a fairly close to normal lifespan. This is the minority of positive individuals.

Cite your source.

And as another poster pointed out, it's not HIV that will kill you, it's the complications from it, which increase in likelihood with age. There the cancers, potential liver and kidney damage from the medication, increased susceptibility to other infections, and others.

Improving every year now, there are more and more medications with less toxicity. Case in point here: External Link/Members Only

One of the common medications for HIV infections is truveda, which is also the PrEP med. It's well known to cause kidney and liver issues. As well as lactic acid build up in the blood. And lessen bone density. All of which will shorten your lifespan or kill you. Not everyone gets them, it's not common, but it's not that uncommon either.

Crock of shit again. Lactic acidosis is not known to kill many people AT ALL. I have no idea where you've gotten this from. I can only deduce you're some laboratory researcher with no clinical experience whatsoever. Things like bone density are routinely screened for after years of ARV treatment and easily corrected. As above kidney/liver issues are becoming less and less of an issue - again routinely monitored with blood tests.

For that minority, if they achieve an undetectable viral load, it is still not recommended by specialists to be regularly engaging in unprotected sex. (It's why sperm washing is offered to sero disparate couples - positive male, negative female - when trying to get pregnant, and even that doesn't completely remove the risk). Whilst it is a negligible risk, it is still there.

More shite. PARTNER-1 study of 58,000 instances of sexual intercourse with zero transmission when undetectable. PARTNER-2 tested the hypothesis a bit more stringently and still found zero cases. External Link/Members Only

You have confirmed in a later post you're a scientist working in a wider field. Why bother pretending you have comprehensive knowledge of this issue when you clearly do not?

You are misleading people. It is safe to have sex if on effective HIV treatment.

[Rose_128]

I've read some bollocks on the net before, but this takes the fucking biscuit. Maybe Admin might think about introducing a short IQ test for certain members?

Absolutely, I mean despite all the meds for HIV and living longer shite something else will kill you, things like cold or flu and that is because your immune system has collapsed. Plus the coctail of drugs you have to take every day, goodness me.

Having said that if you ever unlucky and have a condom breakage just go to clinic they will give you PrEP.

[Rose_128]

Gonorrhoea resistance over the decades

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[LM19]

Absolutely, I mean despite all the meds for HIV and living longer shite something else will kill you, things like cold or flu and that is because your immune system has collapsed. Plus the coctail of drugs you have to take every day, goodness me.

Having said that if you ever unlucky and have a condom breakage just go to clinic they will give you PrEP.

More misinformation. People with even quite low CD4+ cell counts can recover to have good immunity with proper treatment. The days are gone where a HIV diagnosis = premature death sentence. Unless you develop AIDS without a HIV+ diagnosis, you are likely to live a full lifespan (and as detailed above, often longer) with the right drug treatment.

P.S. the 'cocktail' of drugs can sometimes just be one per day now... same burden as the contraceptive pill.

[Rose_128]

More misinformation. People with even quite low CD4+ cell counts can recover to have good immunity with proper treatment. The days are gone where a HIV diagnosis = premature death sentence. Unless you develop AIDS without a HIV+ diagnosis, you are likely to live a full lifespan (and as detailed above, often longer) with the right drug treatment.

P.S. the 'cocktail' of drugs can sometimes just be one per day now... same burden as the contraceptive pill.

Okay so what if you are a young person and want to have children and are HIV positive? As a woman you might have a safe delivery but how about having unprotected sex in the first place? Maybe IVF? So complicated.
Still how long can you live with HIV as a young person and see your grandkids grow adult? Plus I have met many doctors who claimed they get their sexual testing done by having their blood screened regularly...not all doctors are that knowledgable about sexual health depending on what they do. At least you can stop taking the contraceptive anytime, try stopping the one tablet for HIV, it is more about choices. Gonorrhea is still treatable without long term consequences and therefore most would choose gonorrhea over HIV, am I wrong here?

[vw]

Okay so what if you are a young person and want to have children and are HIV positive? Still how long can you live with HIV as a young person and see your grandkids? Plus I have met many doctors who claimed they get their sexual testing done by having their blood screened regularly...not all doctors are that knowledgable about sexual health depending on what they do. At least you can stop taking the contraceptive anytime, try stopping the one tablet for HIV, it is more about choices. Gonorrhea is still treatable without long term consequences and therefore most would choose gonorrhea over HIV, am I wrong here?

Well only a idiot would choose HIV over gonorrhoea, sadly there are idiots.   

[LM19]

Okay so what if you are a young person and want to have children and are HIV positive? As a woman you might have a safe delivery but how about having unprotected sex in the first place? Maybe IVF? So complicated.
Still how long can you live with HIV as a young person and see your grandkids grow adult? Plus I have met many doctors who claimed they get their sexual testing done by having their blood screened regularly...not all doctors are that knowledgable about sexual health depending on what they do. At least you can stop taking the contraceptive anytime, try stopping the one tablet for HIV, it is more about choices. Gonorrhea is still treatable without long term consequences and therefore most would choose gonorrhea over HIV, am I wrong here?

1) I didn't say I would choose gonorrhoea over HIV; the point is that the *risk* is now higher.
2) If you take medications and have an undetectable viral load, you can safely have sex and have children. The difficulty is in changing opinions, such as yours.
3) You can live a full life on medications.
4) I worked in sexual health.
5) I agree, I wasn't actually comparing it like-for-like to the contraceptive pill. I was making the point is not as much of a burden as one thinks, and that it's not a "cocktail" of drugs for most any more.
6) Gonorrhoea has a high risk of pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), which can make you infertile. It can also cause arthritis or blood infection in some, men or women.

Well only a idiot would choose HIV over gonorrhoea, sadly there are idiots.   

Again, not saying I want either... but most people are horrendously misinformed. This thread proves it. Sadly there are 'idiots' who don't listen to expertise... Brexit Means Brexit (TM).

[vw]

Again, not saying I want either... but most people are horrendously misinformed. This thread proves it. Sadly there are 'idiots' who don't listen to expertise... Brexit Means Brexit (TM).

Well sadly he idiot would be the person that seems to be advocating HIV as a lifestyle, who would fuck that person? 

As for expertise lots of faux-experts on forums, for example I was discussing squirt the other week and the punter suddenly become a phd chemist.   

So many "experts"   

[Rose_128]

1) I didn't say I would choose gonorrhoea over HIV; the point is that the *risk* is now higher.
2) If you take medications and have an undetectable viral load, you can safely have sex and have children. The difficulty is in changing opinions, such as yours.
3) You can live a full life on medications.
4) I worked in sexual health.
5) I agree, I wasn't actually comparing it like-for-like to the contraceptive pill. I was making the point is not as much of a burden as one thinks, and that it's not a "cocktail" of drugs for most any more.
6) Gonorrhoea has a high risk of pelvic inflammatory disease (PID), which can make you infertile. It can also cause arthritis or blood infection in some, men or women.

Again, not saying I want either... but most people are horrendously misinformed. This thread proves it. Sadly there are 'idiots' who don't listen to expertise... Brexit Means Brexit (TM).

Point 6 disagree in the sense that if gonorrhea treated earlier on it will have no long term consequences. You would have to have it for a long time for it to spread around and get into your blood stream.. you don’t get the same  “luxury” with HIV..That is why regular screening is a must but again, I don’t believe living with HIV is such a bed of roses. And everyone is different and responds to drugs differently. You might have a pre existing condition which makes it very hard to live with it. We might all be stuck in Freddie Gutter press times but I would rather avoid  HIV...hence why barebackers not be taken lightly. Plus if they are so reckless about their health they will hardly go to clinic anyway. I don’t believe they get tested all the time. No.

[LM19]

Well sadly he idiot would be the person that seems to be advocating HIV as a lifestyle, who would fuck that person? [/qupte]

No one has advocated that, at all.

Point 6 disagree in the sense that if gonorrhea treated earlier on it will have no long term consequences.

PID can occur within 2-3 weeks of infection. Most people aren't even symptomatic until 2 weeks, so you're simply incorrect.

I'll leave the thread here as I've said what I have to say.

I'm not advocating a HIV lifestyle ffs, it's not a bed of roses, but gonorrhoea is a ticking time bomb and you're simply wrong to dismiss it as a simple infection.

But, hey, what does an infectious disease doctor know about it eh? Let's trust the BB punters instead.

[vw]

But, hey, what does an infectious disease doctor know about it eh? Let's trust the BB punters instead.

 

Oh dear, thanks for confirming, sounds a made up job title to me. 

[Rose_128]

PID can occur within 2-3 weeks of infection. Most people aren't even symptomatic until 2 weeks, so you're simply incorrect.

I'll leave the thread here as I've said what I have to say.

I'm not advocating a HIV lifestyle ffs, it's not a bed of roses, but gonorrhoea is a ticking time bomb and you're simply wrong to dismiss it as a simple infection.

But, hey, what does an infectious disease doctor know about it eh? Let's trust the BB punters instead.

Again all gonorrhea complications can be treated if caught early on. Even PID. Not everyone will develop PID. Most women who had an std treated early on will be able to conceive. But HIV you can’t do anything about at all. That is with you for life. Yes one day gonorrhea will officially become a problem and treating it a lot harder and people may need to modify their sexual behaviour accordingly, but right now it is ‘nothing’ compared woth HIV.

[Rose_128]

Again all gonorrhea complications can be treated if caught early on. Even PID. Not everyone will develop PID. Most women who had an std treated early on ( like within months ) will be able to conceive. But HIV you can’t do anything about at all. That is with you for life. Yes one day gonorrhea will officially become a problem and treating it a lot harder and people may need to modify their sexual behaviour accordingly, but right now it is ‘nothing’ compared with HIV.

[Rose_128]

I will carry on being stuck in times.

[vw]

I will carry on being stuck in times.

some dark age costs from 3 years ago

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[SlamBoy]

FACTCHECK:

No probably about it - Chlamydia and Gonorrhoea are infinitely more common these days and readily passed on through oral sex.

SOMEWHAT TRUE: NOT 'INFINITELY MORE COMMON' AS THAT WOULD MEAN EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WOULD HAVE THEM. BUT THEY ARE MUCH MORE COMMON

It is a certainty that if you practice OWO either within the prostitution industry or in the LGBT community regularly, you will get an STD. 100%.

UTTER BOLLOCKS

In this day and age it's far more worrying to get gonorrhoea than HIV, and I mean that in every way possible. HIV is so easily treated now and if you take the meds, you actually have a *longer* lifespan than those without HIV.

UTTER BOLLOCKS

Honestly - there's good research backing it up - mostly because you get more regular health checks.

TRUE - SO NOT A LONGER LIFESPAN BECAUSE 'you take the meds' BUT BECAUSE YOU HAVE REGULAR HEALTH CHECKS. THAT'S WHY YOUR PREVIOUS STATEMENT WAS UTTER BOLLOCKS.

Gonorrheoa on the other hand is becoming rapidly resistant to the antibiotics we have available, and one poor fucker brought back a completely resistant strain.

TRUE

TL;DR Don't fucking bareback, just wear a condom and your worst case scenario is lack of enjoyment.

FAIR COMMENT

If you are a contagious diseases doctor, you are remarkably cavalier with your use of statistics and language.

'C' for effort. ''C-' for attainment.

[LM19]

You're a bunch of fucking morons. Don't know why I bothered. 😂

Sure thing folks, enjoy your harmless gonorrhoea. More of it the better, actually. Who needs facts — HIV makes you Hitler.

[vw]

You're a bunch of fucking morons. Don't know why I bothered. 😂

Sure thing folks, enjoy your harmless gonorrhoea. More of it the better, actually. Who needs facts — HIV makes you Hitler.

Another fragile pretend doctor exposed .   

[SlamBoy]

You're a bunch of fucking morons. Don't know why I bothered. 😂

Sure thing folks, enjoy your harmless gonorrhoea. More of it the better, actually. Who needs facts — HIV makes you Hitler.

Hey doctor!! As you're so concerned with getting gonorrhoea from OWO . . . I'll just remind you of your review of this girl:

The OWO is fantastic - normally I like to enjoy this for a good 10 mins or so but she would have had me pop by then . . .

Numpty 

[SlamBoy]

You're a bunch of fucking morons. Don't know why I bothered. 😂

Sure thing folks, enjoy your harmless gonorrhoea. More of it the better, actually. Who needs facts — HIV makes you Hitler.

In fact, check out "Dr. No OWO cos of STDs" reviews, he always does OWO

 

[LM19]

Hey doctor!! As you're so concerned with getting gonorrhoea from OWO . . . I'll just remind you of your review of this girl:

Numpty 

😂😂😂 Not even going to try and address hope you stupid you are. I'll let you figure it out. Hahaha

[django0700]

Practice safe sex and hope for the best.
If one wants 100% guarantees then suggest one should only Masturbate.

[dumbo25]

Practice safe sex and hope for the best.
If one wants 100% guarantees then suggest one should only Masturbate.

Masturbation not 100% neither...I was taught too much will make you go blind! 

[vw]

Hey doctor!! As you're so concerned with getting gonorrhoea from OWO . . . I'll just remind you of your review of this girl:

Numpty 

Indeed, certainly made a fool of himself.   

[smiths]

Practice safe sex and hope for the best.
If one wants 100% guarantees then suggest one should only Masturbate.

No such thing as safe sex with a WG as you don't know what she has been doing and with whom, that's punting, the best you can do is hope to reduce your risk by only doing covered services. All comes down to the risk you are prepared to take for the reward on offer as you see it, so for me OWO is essential as OW does nothing for me but I fully realise I could get infected at any time.

Quite right to say stick to wanking if you want a 100% guarantee. My advice to punters is NEVER trust a word a WG says about this subject or indeed any other, book those you fancy and let them prove to you they offer a good service. You will NEVER know if a forum WG is posting the truth, its in their business interests to say they get tested on a regular basis but that doesn't make it true obviously. My own unprovable view is most adults including WGs and punters do not get tested on a regular basis, it also cant be disproved.

[LM19]

Indeed, certainly made a fool of himself.   

Another moron who doesn't understand anything. As above, I'll let you figure out the idiotic mistake 😂😂

[vw]

Another moron who doesn't understand anything. As above, I'll let you figure out the idiotic mistake 😂😂

Says the fragile one with made up jobs.   

[Moresomes]

But, hey, what does an infectious disease doctor know about it eh?

Well, I for one am delighted that you have honoured the forum with your presence Doc. 
While you're here, I've had this verruca under my big toe for months, and it's a bastard to shift.
Can you prescribe anything that might get rid of it? (Not the burying of a piece of potato at full moon. I've tried that)

[Kev40ish]

Well, I for one am delighted that you have honoured the forum with your presence Doc. 
While you're here, I've had this verruca under my big toe for months, and it's a bastard to shift.
Can you prescribe anything that might get rid of it? (Not the burying of a piece of potato at full moon. I've tried that)

That is far more dangerous than HIV, it’s sure to reduce your life expectancy much more. I think the doc recommendation is if you have HIV your more likely get your verruca seen to.

 

[SlamBoy]

Hey Doctor . . . I'm really worried that if I continue punting I might get an ingrowing toenail.

What do you think the chances are? Could I be cured? How would I hide it from the Misses? Please doctor . . . help me!!

[TaraLondon]

I run an agency and I have noticed lately a lot of guys in London have been asking for BB. The girls would never admit to me I’d they do and I do not want to get involved at all. I would say for peace of mind use something or give it a miss.

[TailSeeker]

Large, late reply as I don't login here too often. Clearly a lot of criticism to my post which I'm happy to address. I am a doctor who's worked in GUM, so I'm fairly confident in what I'm saying. I'll give it a bit more info however - and the disclaimer that my statement about living longer with HIV than without is based on local data rather than national at the moment.

Gonorrhoea without a shadow of a doubt will become resistant to most of what we have to throw at it. It's a nasty bug. I do mostly agree that HIV is less of an issue once older - that said with medication, and there are *tonnes* available these days, you can safely have sex and have children if you have an undetectable viral load. The hard bit (as can be seen here in this thread alone) is convincing people that is true.

Not sure a few weeks of IV antibiotics is quickly or easily cured...

As per the start of this post, that is based on local data, but it's absolutely true. More health screening, more follow up, more drugs available with less toxicity. Our data shows you are more likely to live longer. Internationally if you look at larger studies, it still lags behind UK life expectancy because it's confounded by lower income countries. You can say it's "bollocks" but I profoundly doubt you have any substance to back it up.

Silly me, guess you've worked in the same Trust and GUM clinic as me then. Care to share. As above, there's a lot of confounding data, but it is the case in the UK for the most part.

Crock of shit. Plenty of research on HIV-2 and it's lifespan is very well established.

Cite your source.

Improving every year now, there are more and more medications with less toxicity. Case in point here: External Link/Members Only

Crock of shit again. Lactic acidosis is not known to kill many people AT ALL. I have no idea where you've gotten this from. I can only deduce you're some laboratory researcher with no clinical experience whatsoever. Things like bone density are routinely screened for after years of ARV treatment and easily corrected. As above kidney/liver issues are becoming less and less of an issue - again routinely monitored with blood tests.

More shite. PARTNER-1 study of 58,000 instances of sexual intercourse with zero transmission when undetectable. PARTNER-2 tested the hypothesis a bit more stringently and still found zero cases. External Link/Members Only

You have confirmed in a later post you're a scientist working in a wider field. Why bother pretending you have comprehensive knowledge of this issue when you clearly do not?

You are misleading people. It is safe to have sex if on effective HIV treatment.

I'm going to say this. Bitch fucking please. I'm going to guess you have no background in science and are just a doctor/nurse, and considering you guys think you can squeeze 3 years of my first degree into 1 term, more bullshit.

Just a skim of the data on the meds would prove you wrong. That people are suffering less from kidney and liver problems are because they're being put on different meds. As per guidelines, the fact that they want to hand out PrEP like candy at GUM clinics, including to someone like myself already on meds that can cause kidney and liver damage, speaks to lack of knowledge on the medical community (and yes it's in my file).

Also, I never said Acidosis kills many people, I said it can kill, check your reading comprehension.

Whilst yes, it viewed as being pretty much the same as without HIV, it is not the same. Hence why the NHS still has guidelines on getting pregnant from someone who has HIV that is undetectable. Also the acknowledgement on there that there are multiple forms of HIV (over 100) which all respond differently.

Also as to the HIV strains, I didn't just say HIV2, which also isn't that well studied, but that HIV1 substrains that account for 95% aren't that well studied outside of the 12% caused by B. External Link/Members Only here's a basic primer for you. Feel free to hunt down pubmed to disprove, I'll happily fire back with several others that shout down your argument. HIV1B is the best studied, even fucking studies into it recognise it, despite the fact that it is only about 12% of the incidence. I in fact pointined out HIV1C about 50% as being very understudied, which those same studies point out. Or do you only think there are two types of HIV?

Edit: just read more replies, they're a motherfucking idiot. I highly doubt they're a gum doctor or nurse, but if they are, I pity anyone who meets them. Nothing they have said is accurate without a lot of qualifications, most are just flat out untrue and no good medical practitioner or scientific researcher would dare utter such shite.