AUSTRALIAN ABBIE (LEICESTER SQUARE) | WALKED | Prostitution Blacklist Material

[ramkazoo]

CURRENT SP NAME
Australian Abbie

CURRENT "REBORN" PROFILE
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DELETED PROFILE
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I'm leaving this review on here because she has a habit of deleting AW profiles.  To hide bad feedback.  She created the Australian Brooklyn profile because of the netural she got on here and then deleted it because I left her bad feedback on that profile.  I won't be commenting about the contents of this review.  You can draw your own conclusions about it.  I updated this review to reflect the false allegations she made against me on AW.


THE_DON'S ADAGE

I now believe in the The_Don's adage that attitude trumps everything.  This SP had excellent comms and was my type in terms of looks though not as curvy (as in big ass and tits) as I was expecting.  I would describe her as a skinny girl with a bit of shape.  However, her attitude in the meet was VERY POOR.


PRIOR TO MEET

I'm sure another girl answered her phone for her when I called her an hour before the meet.  It was definitely an EE girl that picked up the phone with no hint of an Australian accent which I commented on and she told me she had done some travelling in America.  I was wondering to myself whether she was a Romanian lying about her nationality (yep that was predjudiced).  Yet, when I saw her in person she clearly had an Australian accent.


MEET

I'm not the type that wants some "affection" on entry.  My routine is to hand over the cash; freshed up (using wipes and mouthwash etc.) then get down to business.  However, she immediately, hit me with excuses that I needed to give her notice when I make requests.  She doesn't put her working dates up in advance anyway so this didn't make any sense.  The requests I wanted were about as simple as you could get anyway.  Just for her to wear a bra and panties (which I gave her my favourite colour options for) and to do a pigtail hairstyle like she had in one of her pics.  She told me she had no problem doing the hairstyle.  I would have been okay if she couldn't do either request but just let me know before the meet.  It was such a turn off hearing that in person and particularly when I had made no mention of it.  Literally, the first thing she told me.  I observed her laptop on the bed which I thought was odd.  Then she tried to "upsell" me by asking me if I wanted to stay for an hour.  I had specifically told her I wanted 45 minutes and had asked her the rate for it.  Then she told me to go and have a shower.  So, I mentioned to her why she didn't make a note of shower requirements on her profile and she retorted that she will add it.  There's still no mention of this on her profile anywhere.  I had showered just prior to going to her incall.  So, I told her, "I'm clean" and she told me, "I don't know that".  She further stated, "Go and have shower and I'll get ready".  I was thinking to myself you should have been ready before I came to your place.  Sensing and befuddled by the ensuing stalemate my instinct urged me to leave.  And, I told her, I was going to leave and made my way out.  I couldn't have been in there for no longer than 3 minutes.  It just didn't feel right and her tone of voice wasn't friendly (i.e. like a naggy girlfriend not an escort who is ready to entertain you).  I left but I had to immediately knock her door again because I had left my jacket behind.  She then, txted me some bs that I looked cute and I should come back and shower.  Then a second txt with a simley face.  Maybe she should get a job at a SPA or something where she can "clean" people because it's very tacky to keep on insisting someone do something they clearly don't want to do.

Her apartment block didn't feel that discreet when I was buzzing in.  Luckily someone came out of the building because she didn't answer the buzzer.  The building inside is similar to a large hotel chain with several doors; it has several exits too; it was like a maze it took me a while to find an exit.


SUM UP

My FIRST EVER WALK; it kind of put me off the game a bit.  I even postponded another meet I had scheduled for this weekend.  It was a very awkward experience.

YMMV as ALWAYS.  She maybe good for 30mins but not worth her £100 rate imo.


MESSSAGE TO SP

1) If you're such a GERMAPHOBE and require every punter to have a shower then put it clearly on your profile and in your FAQs that you require punters to have showers.  I may do showers in meets but I like to bring my own toiletries and use my own towel etc.

2) Improve your professionalism; don't try to FOOL punters by dodging feedback and by playing naive (Your why do you guys hate me question made me laugh).  Gain a good reputation by providing a quality service not by lame attempts of damage control.


UPDATED SECTION (AFTER READING FALSE ALLEGATIONS THAT WERE MADE AGAINST ME ON AW)

PROSTITUTION BLACKLIST MATERIAL

She claimed I wanted to date her, that I harassed her and threatened to KILL HER.  There's nothing to misconstrue here because I had ZERO contact and I MEAN ZERO contact with her after I walked.  I in fact deleted all the emails she sent me from her Australian Brooklyn (External Link/Members Only) profile without reading the unread ones.  She sent me only one email after I had walked which was after I had posted my AW feedback on her profile.  She's of silmilar ilk to Nancy, imo, that was convicted for fake rape charges or something like that.  I showed zero signs of aggression towards her even when I decided to walk.  I simply left my piece on AW about my bad experience and in revenge she tried to depict me as Jack The Ripper.  Had to delete my AW account as AW were not going to resolve the issue.  You should have to provide evidence before leaving such things on AW.  Proof of her AW feedback is attached to this review.


UPDATED SUM UP

I believe in YMMV but I would AVOID an SP like this on principle.  You expect the odd lie from them to cover their tracks but not to make up FAKE criminal allegations against someone; that's an extremely low thing to do.


UPDATED MESSSAGE TO SP

1) Don't ever tell lies on someone like that.  I know SPs will cover their tracks but have SOME LIMITS.  Getting a negative review doesn't mean you need to go "nuclear" and falsely accuse someone of criminal acts.  You KNOW you can't provide any evidence of harassment by me (or even ONE instance of contact by me after I walked) and can't provide any evidence that you reported me to the police for anything.  I wouldn't even have written a UKP review had you not been trying to dodge my feedback on AW.  You have no justification at all to make up lies like that on me.  You didn't even give me a boner but somehow I'm obsessed with you lmao?  Get real!  FYI, if I was really into someone I would hop into a shower even if I was reluctant.  I just thought you were a lazy SP but you clearly have anger issues.  I'm glad I walked.

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[Link7]

This was slightly confusing to read (though think I got there in the end).

You're clearly experienced in punting, enough to know when to walk. Plus you make reference to TheDon and Nancy so you have some familiarity with UKP. Why do you say you'll make no further comment? Hard to know what to make of you when this is your first post 

However, from reading FuzzyDuck's review under the girl's old profile, it's 100% obvious the she's unstable and spiteful. On this basis, I've no doubt that the allegations she made against you on AW are false (they don't really ring true anyway).

The AW system is fatally flawed. If you had left a UKP review in the first instance, you would've been much better protected against a backlash. She's already been banned on here for being abusive. An obvious wrong'un!

[Demuncher]

Not going to comment on the SP as clearly there are plenty of red flags but don't quite get why you walked.  Being asked to have a shower is hardly an unreasonable request, whether it's on her profile or not. 

[Kev40ish]

Not going to comment on the SP as clearly there are plenty of red flags but don't quite get why you walked.  Being asked to have a shower is hardly an unreasonable request, whether it's on her profile or not.

Yes seems very strange first review!!! It certainly doesn’t bother me having a shower, it shows an SP in concerned about hygiene.

[Sinz]

Oh boy, struggling to work out who is more deranged than the other.

[last_days_of_logan]

How did she manage to give you 3 negatives? Dont you have to accept the booking before that can happen? or put the booking in yourself?

thanks for the headsup either way

right and you quote "The_Don"....okay so you frequent here but your first post / review was to out the WG.

Again thanks for the review, it does however come across like for whatever reason she REALLY pissed you off which is why you want to warn us. i feel like if it was a run of the mill or slightly more than run of the mill negative then you wouldnt have warned us?

[OutForJustice80]

Oh boy, struggling to work out who is more deranged than the other.

Yep. This is madness trying to pay madness for a fuck

[YoungBrom]

Wait a sec 

In a forum of this kind shouldn't we be more sympathetic towards punters' views as opposed to WGs?

This reminds me of the time when andyxo got banned for suggesting to be careful with a well known SP as he suspected having caught some sort of std. instead of punters sayaing thanks for sharing - like I said - he got banned lol crazy shit

[last_days_of_logan]

Wait a sec 

In a forum of this kind shouldn't we be more sympathetic towards punters' views as opposed to WGs?

This reminds me of the time when andyxo got banned for suggesting to be careful with a well known SP as he suspected having caught some sort of std. instead of punters sayaing thanks for sharing - like I said - he got banned lol crazy shit

You are right, you are very right.

But do you think we should "blanket accept" every single thing every punter says on face value even if we think "there is something off about this one"?

wouldnt that open the door for touts looking to promote theirs and WG competitors who want to ruin business for other girls/women?

i agree that banning might be much (not my decision..i trust the admin here) but are adults we can speak our minds surely

i for one am happy about the review....anything remotely bad i dont want to go near.....plus i do feel that the OPs personality comes through in the post and that he was Genuinely hurt by the whole thing...

[OutForJustice80]

As Logan has said the benefit of the doubt is given to the punter, yes, but not to the point where you ignore anything odd or suspicious. To me this review feels like it’s probably accurate but just written in a bit of an unhinged way. Also anyone whose first post is a review in this level of detail with all the different text colours and styles... it’s just unusual and it’s healthy to be cautious when trusting new people.

[Sinz]

Being a punter on this forum does not automatically give users the trust and freedom to say anything. Subsequently not necessary that everything they say is to be believed by everyone. If it smells fishy, it will get questioned - that is why UKP is the best Punting forum out there.

[OutForJustice80]

Being a punter on this forum does not automatically give users the trust and freedom to say anything. Subsequently not necessary that everything they say is to be believed by everyone. If it smells fishy, it will get questioned - that is why UKP is the best Punting forum out there.

If it smells fishy it’ll probably get a negative!

[holland]

If it smells fishy it’ll probably get a negative!

Well being asked by a prossie to have a shower is fair but being ordered to do it using rude tone and manners is not acceptable.
I reckon this review is real and this australian prossie is just very unstable. One to avoid.

[Sinz]

Well being asked by a prossie to have a shower is fair but being ordered to do it using rude tone and manners is not acceptable.
I reckon this review is real and this australian prossie is just very unstable. One to avoid.

I agree, she is unstable and one to be avoided.

Why risk ending up in all the drama and BS

[advent2016]

Call me an old cynic. Overlong first time review / posts that go into lots of detail looks fake to me. tl;dr

I like posters who introduce themselves first.

[Apu]

Very odd first post and review.

[OutForJustice80]

Personally I think being asked to have a shower is not unreasonable. If it’s made clear it’s not part of the booking time I think it removes any chance (or should do) of hygiene issues occurring during the punt. To be fair though it’s my standard MO so it doesn’t feel like an imposition to me. Opinions to the contrary equally valid.

[YoungBrom]

Hasn't this girl been outed as being a crazy hoe in a different review (also negative) if it were me and I knew of UK punting but didn't have an account I prob wouldve done the same, signed up and posted a review to warn others.   

[Liverpool]

Hmmm, the OP says he won't comment further on this. Does smell of some personal issue that we're not party to. Getting all wigged out over a shower sounds odd.

[James999]

Hmmm, the OP says he won't comment further on this. Does smell of some personal issue that we're not party to. Getting all wigged out over a shower sounds odd.

Perhaps he's fallen for her and she's rejected him 

[nalin]

Hmmm, the OP says he won't comment further on this. Does smell of some personal issue that we're not party to. Getting all wigged out over a shower sounds odd.

...and the laptop on her bed! How could she?

[finn5555]

Maybe they have shared a couple of lines together and are now asleep 

[OutForJustice80]

Interesting as well. The review reads like he is trying to say he posted it then edited it after the aw feedback but there’s no modify time stamp so this was all written in one go.

Whether or not she is a fruit loop or not is almost irrelevant now as this just looks like someone piling on to a recent negative to come across as credible.

It’s annoying though as I like her pics and the price is ok. Might book her myself just to find out once and for all.

[YoungBrom]

Interesting as well. The review reads like he is trying to say he posted it then edited it after the aw feedback but there’s no modify time stamp so this was all written in one go.

Whether or not she is a fruit loop or not is almost irrelevant now as this just looks like someone piling on to a recent negative to come across as credible.

It’s annoying though as I like her pics and the price is ok. Might book her myself just to find out once and for all.

Perfect example of one's dick making the decisions lol no offence

[jsparky]

The last review by 'Fuzzyduck' was much better in describing their meet and her 'personality' - (If you like quiet, demure, girl next door types, stay away from Abbie. She's a full on brash "I don't give a shit" Aussie). I am not surprise if she 'order' him to take a shower.   

Why did the op trying to meet her, when you know her personality?

[dami3n]

Call me an old cynic. Overlong first time review / posts that go into lots of detail looks fake to me. tl;dr

I like posters who introduce themselves first.

Very odd first post and review.

clearly not the OP's first UKP rodeo, this account was probably created to firewall his regular UKP account from the AW madness and possible forum fallout cos yep there's some weirdness from this review on the OP's side,

makes enough references to suggest he's been in the game and on the forums for a while so 1 day old account is not his main

'May' do shower but would need his own toiletries and towel, - hope I didn't forget anything? phone, keys, ...jacket ...oh yeh wet towel , most punters know SP's can often insist on freshening on arrival for their own sanity ...or just routine

so really even if he wanted to he couldn't have used her stuff? ...stalemate punt, nowhere else to go but out the door

[l4at]

I think both OP and SP have a screw loose. There’s no winners here

[Dopedj]

Too much drama over a bitch you’re paying to fuck
 

[Fuzzyduck]

Wow.
Maybe the OP made some reference to Aussie ball tampering that didn't go down well?

I agree with dami3n that the OP is likely already active on UKP and isn't going to follow up in case there are "afters". Her response to the feedback on AW uses a christian name (hopefully not OP's actual name) so I can understand wanting to protect himself particularly if the cops have been mentioned (btw I'd be surprised unless you really did harrass her).

I do believe much of the review, having met Abbie, and I'm a little surprised she's not already on here throwing some grenades back. However, it does sound like there's stuff we don't know about. Maybe the OP is a stalker? Who knows. People have remarkably selective memories sometimes.

The OP seems to have some control issues so I can see how this might've gone tits up. I think Abbie could be a great fuck if you're on the same page but these two weren't even reading the same book.

OP - well done for walking, but if you'd checked her out on UKP beforehand (which it looks like you had) then you should take some responsibility for going there in the first place.

[Belgarion]

This be some weird shit

[dwightschrute]

I believe OP, she seems to be clearly unhinged and he has made his points eloquently

Its clear that this girl should not be visited, the risk is far too great when dealing with someone like that

[finn5555]

She is a druggie so bound to be unhinged 

[Phaedrus]

I strongly believe that how I start a meet is the most important part in how good a punt I will get from any SP. I want to bring out the best in her. Some SP’s have abrasive personalities, some can be extremely defensive and cautious and yet if they can be set at ease then a great punt is possible.

I often remind myself that from the SP’s perspective, she is meeting with a strange man. From her perspective, they quickly label us punters as “safe” or “dangerous”, “Nice/gentleman” or “weird/rude/demanding”, “clean” or “dirty”, to extract the maximum pleasure, I seek to enter the best category within their labelling. I do this by building rapport and getting the SP to “like me”. If they like us Punters then they will give us a better service. It is important that we Punters have our own method of screening and rapport building. Experience punters like Mr Happy pants are masters of this and know how to research effectively, assess a situation, quickly and clearly and know when to abort a punt. King Tarzan, whilst controversial, is another example, he does excellent research, knows exactly what physical stats, he wants, prescreens by making clear beforehand that he loves OWO and extensive Mango licking, he then does a £20 kiss test (I think this move since early on, will select for the best actresses, screen out the tight lipped cold “lying bitches” but risks not building good early rapport with what would otherwise be a good punt and upset some SP’s who would otherwise be a good punt, however it’s all in the approach, so if done correctly and politely, could be pulled off]. Anyway, I have digressed from the main point...

It sounds to be that this Punter got off to bad start by commenting early on in the on how she had failed to wear her hair in pigtails and wearing a particular colour lingerie. Sounds like she had a brash personality anyway and this made her defensive. Coupled with the fact that on the whole SP’s generally but not exclusively have low self esteem anyway. This is already a pre condition for a bad punt. If I were in the same situation, I would not have commented on this at the early stage, perhaps later once I’d set her at ease, since it’s not a deal breaker for me.

The main point I am making is that this SP may not be all bad, and that good entry and clear pre-contracting may have brought out a very different sort of punt, on balance I would still exercise caution with this SP and would take particular care to set her at ease.

[bhudda]

I strongly believe that how I start a meet is the most important part in how good a punt I will get from any SP. I want to bring out the best in her. Some SP’s have abrasive personalities, some can be extremely defensive and cautious and yet if they can be set at ease then a great punt is possible.

I often remind myself that from the SP’s perspective, she is meeting with a strange man. From her perspective, they quickly label us punters as “safe” or “dangerous”, “Nice/gentleman” or “weird/rude/demanding”, “clean” or “dirty”, to extract the maximum pleasure, I seek to enter the best category within their labelling. I do this by building rapport and getting the SP to “like me”. If they like us Punters then they will give us a better service. It is important that we Punters have our own method of screening and rapport building. Experience punters like Mr Happy pants are masters of this and know how to research effectively, assess a situation, quickly and clearly and know when to abort a punt. King Tarzan, whilst controversial, is another example, he does excellent research, knows exactly what physical stats, he wants, prescreens by making clear beforehand that he loves OWO and extensive Mango licking, he then does a £20 kiss test (I think this move since early on, will select for the best actresses, screen out the tight lipped cold “lying bitches” but risks not building good early rapport with what would otherwise be a good punt and upset some SP’s who would otherwise be a good punt, however it’s all in the approach, so if done correctly and politely, could be pulled off]. Anyway, I have digressed from the main point...

It sounds to be that this Punter got off to bad start by commenting early on in the on how she had failed to wear her hair in pigtails and wearing a particular colour lingerie. Sounds like she had a brash personality anyway and this made her defensive. Coupled with the fact that on the whole SP’s generally but not exclusively have low self esteem anyway. This is already a pre condition for a bad punt. If I were in the same situation, I would not have commented on this at the early stage, perhaps later once I’d set her at ease, since it’s not a deal breaker for me.

The main point I am making is that this SP may not be all bad, and that good entry and clear pre-contracting may have brought out a very different sort of punt, on balance I would still exercise caution with this SP and would take particular care to set her at ease.

What you appear to be saying is you have to bend over backwards to get a good punt from some lassies. A better alternative is to avoid such lassies i reckon.

Besides, from personal experience, there are some who will give you a shit experience no matter how nice,  gentlemanly and spotlessly clean you are.

[Bjm1982]

What you appear to be saying is you have to bend over backwards to get a good punt from some lassies. A better alternative is to avoid such lassies i reckon.

Besides, from personal experience, there are some who will give you a shit experience no matter how nice,  gentlemanly and spotlessly clean you are.

I read it as treat others as you want to be treated... OP comes across a bit creepy in my opinion.

[Phaedrus]

What you appear to be saying is you have to bend over backwards to get a good punt from some lassies. A better alternative is to avoid such lassies i reckon.

Besides, from personal experience, there are some who will give you a shit experience no matter how nice,  gentlemanly and spotlessly clean you are.

What I am saying is that from my experience, I think that the start of Punts are very important and set ther tone and it’s important not to ruin a punt by having a difficult start. I do this to maximise the pleasure that I get from a punt. Likewise I have also found that 2nd and 3rd Punts tend to be much better than first punts, as the SP grows to feel more comfortable. There are diminishing returns after that and I do enjoy the illusion of change.

[Phaedrus]

I read it as treat others as you want to be treated... OP comes across a bit creepy in my opinion.

OP comes across as an established reviewer who has set up “dummy profile” in order to do this review. Reads true and to help other punters but also is tinged with hints of a revenge review. Perhaps to protect his AW identity and reputation on here. He also comes across as a bit of a difficult character.

Conversely this Aussie SP looks like a difficult character too. I wouldn’t risk my $$$ trying to build any rapport with her.

It’s a cost-benefit analysis.

For example this SP that I reviewed below recently is very good looking, great English and intelligent. If she could relax she would be an five star punt, and represent excellent VFM and  I feel that there is a chance that the next punt she would, however I made the choice not to risk another £100 on finding out.

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=187533.0

What I want is an SP with an attitude like this, combine that with doing the work to set the SP at ease and the result is a punt that leaves you smiling from head to toe:

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=181759.msg1913128#msg1913128

[dami3n]

It sounds to be that this Punter got off to bad start by commenting early on in the on how she had failed to wear her hair in pigtails and wearing a particular colour lingerie. Sounds like she had a brash personality anyway and this made her defensive. Coupled with the fact that on the whole SP’s generally but not exclusively have low self esteem anyway. This is already a pre condition for a bad punt. If I were in the same situation, I would not have commented on this at the early stage, perhaps later once I’d set her at ease, since it’s not a deal breaker for me.

I believe he did not comment on her failure to wear either the hair or the outfit, she told him off for it ASAP

I'm not the type that wants some "affection" on entry.  My routine is to hand over the cash; freshed up (using wipes and mouthwash etc.) then get down to business.  However, she immediately, hit me with excuses that I needed to give her notice when I make requests.  She doesn't put her working dates up in advance anyway so this didn't make any sense.  The requests I wanted were about as simple as you could get anyway.  Just for her to wear a bra and panties (which I gave her my favourite colour options for) and to do a pigtail hairstyle like she had in one of her pics.  She told me she had no problem doing the hairstyle.  I would have been okay if she couldn't do either request but just let me know before the meet.  It was such a turn off hearing that in person and particularly when I had made no mention of it.  Literally, the first thing she told me. ...

[Australian Abbie]

I’m just signing in to say that the OP is Matt (same guy who tried to ruin my aw profile in revenge).
He asked me out outside of work many times, I refused (probably in not a very delicate way, if I knew he has mental issues I would have been nicer about it).

I hope I never meet creeps like him again.
 
Shower excuse is best Matt - you could have come up with something better than that.

Have a good evening.

[finn5555]

I’m just signing in to say that the OP is Matt (same guy who tried to ruin my aw profile in revenge).
He asked me out outside of work many times, I refused (probably in not a very delicate way, if I knew he has mental issues I would have been nicer about it).

I hope I never meet creeps like him again.
 
Shower excuse is best Matt - you could have come up with something better than that.

Have a good evening.

You say you reported him to the police so i am sure he is in Belmarsh as we speak 

[pepsicolaboy]

You say you reported him to the police so i am sure he is in Belmarsh as we speak 

They forcing him to have a shower 

[Dopedj]

I’m just signing in to say that the OP is Matt (same guy who tried to ruin my aw profile in revenge).
He asked me out outside of work many times, I refused (probably in not a very delicate way, if I knew he has mental issues I would have been nicer about it).

I hope I never meet creeps like him again.
 
Shower excuse is best Matt - you could have come up with something better than that.

Have a good evening.

Hmmm
Interesting so you decided to meet a guy according to you has being stalking you/profiles  for years now
But yet you opened your door to see him.

WHO IS THE MENTAL CASE HERE??!!

[Liverpool]

Hmmm
Interesting so you decided to meet a guy according to you has being stalking you/profiles  for years now
But yet you opened your door to see him.

WHO IS THE MENTAL CASE HERE??!!

I may have misread somewhere but she never intimated stalking "for years". The way it reads is 'recently' and we don't know how many times they saw each other before this "review". I appreciate there are always two sides to story but the OPs version of events sounds odd to say the very least.