Which party to attend

[wilfh]

Hi Chaps
I am working in London next week and I am thinking of attending my first party. I have been looking on here to see if I should go to London sex parties or the Phoenix club. Think the ratio seems a bit high for the  LSP but a lot of the reviews seem old.
Any advice would be much appreciated
Thanks
Wilf

[Fredbone]

My recommendation- Phoenix club.

[BigBoi1955]

100% agree with the choice of Phoenix but there are personal preferences that may make you pick a different option.

One is price. At £160 there are cheaper options to Phoenix. The other is voyeurism. If you like watching other men do the fucking as you wait your turn then the cheaper parties are best.

I'm a recent convert to Phoenix and previously I went for the more crowded cheaper options but not I appreciate you have to pay a premium for the service and quality of girls at Phoenix.

[wilfh]

Thanks for taking the time to
Reply

[magnetico]

I went for the more crowded cheaper options

Which party was it ? I'm just being curious.

[notcalledchris]

Pheonix are good, usually, imho as a sex party.  They are not a gangbang. They are about taking turns on the whores whereas to my mind a gangbang is about all piling in together and destroying the girl - in the nicest possible way of course.      Horse s for courses.   It is difficult to compare providers because they all offer something  different with different punter to whore ratios at different prices. Read some reviews and decide what you fancy and go for it.

[BigBoi1955]

Which party was it ? I'm just being curious.

Here are a few of the multi girl parties who use venues other than hotel rooms in Central and South London, the areas I travel to -
LAPC, Bellas Belles, Lifestyle Parties, Guilt Free Girls Club, Rebecca  Ryder and if you  don’t mind bi play there is the Bi Fun Club. they all have higher male to female ratios than Phoenix

If you want a gangbang with say only 1 or 2 girls and anywhere from 5 to 10 men you should use the search facility on Adultwork and have parties as a keyword. On Adultwork you’ll find quite a few girls and couples who organise events  at various hotels but don’t do it as regularly as the main party organisers.

[JamesKW]

Depends what you want if you want a full on porn experience with young girls then Phoenix is probably the best from the reviews I read.If you want more one to one but to experience different girls then you may prefur to start with LAPC and move up to Phoenix.The LAPC girls are generally older,come in all shapes and are largely Latino (which I like because they always seem to enjoy it) or African (you get few EE or UK girls).At the moment LAPC is much quieter than when it was at Dagenham although this does encourage men to hog girls more.

[JamesKW]

if you  don’t mind bi play there is the Bi Fun Club. they all have higher male to female ratios than Phoenix

Bi Fun was a complete waste of money,see one of my reviews,it is a very high male ratio,it is only beneficial if you can go regularly and build up a rapport with the ugly swingers.Bellas at the same venue and same organiser is dearer but better value for money (a bit like LAPC (also same venue)) but with slightly younger girls.

[BigBoi1955]

Bi Fun was a complete waste of money,see one of my reviews,it is a very high male ratio,it is only beneficial if you can go regularly and build up a rapport with the ugly swingers.Bellas at the same venue and same organiser is dearer but better value for money (a bit like LAPC (also same venue)) but with slightly younger girls.

I was trying to give the range of choices available to the OP and what is on offer particularly as he asked about the cheaper more crowded options. If you are bi and like parties where you get touched by everyone then Bi Fun Club at £55 is great value but if you are straight then it shouldn’t even be a consideration. I saw your review of Bi Fun and in my experience the ratio at the parties has improved considerably since the summer but the ratio is still 3:1 or more. 

As I said in my earlier post my current preference is Phoenix parties but at £160 it’s more expensive than the others and does not have that much group activity. All the parties are different and each has their merits. My one big tip to anyone who is going to Phoenix is stay until the end. Unlike some of the other parties the girls will play right up to the final minute but as a lot of guys leave early there are often more girls than men for the last 20 or 25 minutes. You just have to pace yourself .

If there are any entrepreneurs out there I think there is a gap in the market for a budget party operation. What is needed is a cheap flat to operate out of. IMHO Rebecca Ryder had a great set up when she worked out of the basement flat in Victoria. The place was a tip but that just added to the seediness of the atmosphere and she kept the prices low.   

[JamesKW]

As I said in my earlier post my current preference is Phoenix parties but at £160 it’s more expensive than the others and does not have that much group activity. All the parties are different and each has their merits. My one big tip to anyone who is going to Phoenix is stay until the end. Unlike some of the other parties the girls will play right up to the final minute but as a lot of guys leave early there are often more girls than men for the last 20 or 25 minutes. You just have to pace yourself .

If there are any entrepreneurs out there I think there is a gap in the market for a budget party operation. What is needed is a cheap flat to operate out of. IMHO Rebecca Ryder had a great set up when she worked out of the basement flat in Victoria. The place was a tip but that just added to the seediness of the atmosphere and she kept the prices low.

When I went to Bi Fun most of the punters were straight I saw very little Bi action (despite the name)

I was tempted by Rebecca Ryder (who also now operates from same location as Bi Fun) but at £120 she is getting close to Phoenix,so I guess it is better to pay a little extra.

At the low end I think it is mainly LAPC and LSAP (about £80),otherwise there are swinger/fetish parties (ranging £20 to £50) but it is very much luck on the day (I don't have much luck)

[BigBoi1955]

When I went to Bi Fun most of the punters were straight I saw very little Bi action

I agree that most of the action is hetro but that is probably more to to do with the scarcity of easy/cheap pussy in general so when a Bi curious man is faced with a choice they'll go with the pussy. I like the fact that there is so much sex in all the rooms so lots to look at as well as joining in. It certainly isn't for everyone.

 Maybe I just like extremes as Phoenix and Bi Fun couldn't be more different so I can't explain why I like both so much.

[wilfh]

wow cheers for the help fellas i will look at some more reviews but I find them a it contradictory.. Your help is much appreciated

[BigBoi1955]

wow cheers for the help fellas i will look at some more reviews but I find them a it contradictory.. Your help is much appreciated

Ignore opinions and study what's on offer. Some people like crowds others don't, some don't like paying over a certain amount of money others don't. All the party organisers mentioned have been operating for some time so have their supporters.
Best advice is go to a party and find out for yourself. Parties are fun and part of the excitement is you can't be sure how good or bad a particular day will be.

[magnetico]

Thanks for your thorough reply to my question, BigBoi1955

[Steely Dan]

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In case not seen, there is a full description of all sex parties here, with links to most reviews and comments.

[JamesKW]

wow cheers for the help fellas i will look at some more reviews but I find them a it contradictory.. Your help is much appreciated

In the case of parties reviews aren't always helpful as everyone has their own tastes the one I like is a bit of a marmite experience and I can appreciate that other punters don't particulary like it.Same with Bi Fun and Phoenix,some like it some don't.You have to be able to perform infront of an audience because there will be other punters watching whether they are queueing up or just wanking.Other punters will try and hurry you up because after all everyone has paid their money and want value for money,one of my own personal pet hates is hoggers.Also hygiene is not always at its best some girls will simply wet wipe themselves between punters as it can be a bit conveyor belt,some punters will try and pull a crafty bare back.The place where a lot seem to operate from doesn't have many washing facilities not like Dagenham (now closed)which was a spa with several showers and Jacuzzis.

[smiths]

Hi Chaps
I am working in London next week and I am thinking of attending my first party. I have been looking on here to see if I should go to London sex parties or the Phoenix club. Think the ratio seems a bit high for the  LSP but a lot of the reviews seem old.
Any advice would be much appreciated
Thanks
Wilf

What I did with parties in London was attend all those I could get to and found out which one I liked best which by far then was LMP, all well and good reading what other punters say but finding out for myself was best for me.

I don't recommend any party provider nowadays, the scene has gone downhill badly over the last few years sadly.

[BigBoi1955]

.......Also hygiene is not always at its best some girls will simply wet wipe themselves between punters as it can be a bit conveyor belt

You are 100% right about hygiene though the thing that I’ve found the worst is the smell from some of the punters. Stale tobacco smoke and bad body odour in a room without ventilation can be overpowering. One of the things I like about Phoenix is that they actually insist punters have a shower first and for the 15 minutes before the official start time they will have one of the girls on shower duty making sure the men wash. The girls at Phoenix also shower between encounters. At the budget parties the girls will always have showered beforehand but as James points out sometimes wet wipes are used.

Smiths is also right, for a city the size of London there should be better quality parties. In my opinion based on what I've seen most the operators are lazy and don’t look after the small details. Anyone who is a regular at Phoenix would have noticed an improvement of standards from around September when they made various changes in an attempt to improve their service. None of the changes cost any money but they all would have involved either Raj or Emma giving strict instructions to the girls about on what they should do. Maybe the other operators are scared of the girls or don’t want to upset them but like lots of staff in any regular job if one staff member is allowed to drop their standards the others will see this and likely follow.

[JamesKW]

I've seen most the operators are lazy and don’t look after the small details.

I think a lot of the operators especially the budget ones try and give the impression its a swingers party so they are more likely to blend in with the punters and not boss the girls around.(Sometimes it seems like the girls are the bosses).At Phoenix punters are paying a lot more so you can't get away with this, you have to keep standards higher.
LAPC has a lot of girls who have been there along time,often more than 5 years they seem to like working with the organizer.

[smiths]

You are 100% right about hygiene though the thing that I’ve found the worst is the smell from some of the punters. Stale tobacco smoke and bad body odour in a room without ventilation can be overpowering. One of the things I like about Phoenix is that they actually insist punters have a shower first and for the 15 minutes before the official start time they will have one of the girls on shower duty making sure the men wash. The girls at Phoenix also shower between encounters. At the budget parties the girls will always have showered beforehand but as James points out sometimes wet wipes are used.

Smiths is also right, for a city the size of London there should be better quality parties. In my opinion based on what I've seen most the operators are lazy and don’t look after the small details. Anyone who is a regular at Phoenix would have noticed an improvement of standards from around September when they made various changes in an attempt to improve their service. None of the changes cost any money but they all would have involved either Raj or Emma giving strict instructions to the girls about on what they should do. Maybe the other operators are scared of the girls or don’t want to upset them but like lots of staff in any regular job if one staff member is allowed to drop their standards the others will see this and likely follow.

Interesting last paragraph, I hope the improvement at TPC continues, they were getting stick on here off a number of punters including me, now their resident blatant tout VT has been banned I look forward to honest reviews on them as well as other parties on here.

Its been rare I have seen a party pimp who isn't a lazy cunt, Em was always on top of things at LMP which greatly helped it be as good as it was in my experiences, John at LAPC for example in contrast has always been shit at supervising and used to let the WGs take their long breaks at the same time. He would also punt himself in a locked room at the Spa in Dagenham on occasion.

I imagine a problem with parties in London now is the risk of getting nicked after GP got done and Sacred Rose got grassed up and closed, they show a party could get busted at any time.

[davidgood]

I think a lot of the operators especially the budget ones try and give the impression its a swingers party so they are more likely to blend in with the punters and not boss the girls around.(Sometimes it seems like the girls are the bosses).At Phoenix punters are paying a lot more so you can't get away with this, you have to keep standards higher.
LAPC has a lot of girls who have been there along time,often more than 5 years they seem to like working with the organizer.

The Phoenix club purports to be a swingers club but no UKP members have ever reported seeing swingers there. On the other some of the budget parties such as LSAP, LAPC and RR's LSPs sometimes do get genuine swinging couples turning up.

I agree with you James, the LAPC girls like working with John as he is laid back and  the private parties are usually attended by reasonable, polite guys who they enjoy playing with. I find it sweet that a number of the Brazilians will actually thank you after you have fucked them.

Regards,

davidgood

[wilfh]

If I can get there I will try the Phoenix club and let you know how it goes

[BigBoi1955]

The Phoenix club purports to be a swingers club but no UKP members have ever reported seeing swingers there. On the other some of the budget parties such as LSAP, LAPC and RR's LSPs sometimes do get genuine swinging couples turning up.

David I am amazed that someone with your experience and knowledge of the sex party scene would ever make a statement such as that. Phoenix are only claiming to be a swingers party for legal reasons. 

Even if you are not an expert I’m sure you are familiar with the UK prostitution laws which state that if two or more girls offer sexual services from the same premises then that establishment is deemed to be a brothel and can be prosecuted as such. Phoenix have to claim/pretend that they are a swingers party because lifestyle parties are legal. All the parties mentioned on this thread employ working girls and per the letter of the law they are brothels. The trick for an operator is to “muddy the waters” so that there is a defence strategy they can employ which would put off the CPS bringing a case against them. IMHO Phoenix would have the weakest defence of any of the parties mentioned but because it is a defence the CPS may decide that the cost of bringing it to court would not be worthwhile.

Phoenix charge a premium price and offer a premium product.  My experience of going to parties and seeing swinging couples is that in the majority of cases the female half of the couple is in her 40’s or 50’s and at least 20lbs overweight, not the type of lady Phoenix would want at their parties.  Although Phoenix pretend to be a Swingers party on their website if you look for it you’ll not find any price quoted for a couple to attend, that’s because they don’t want to encourage couples. In the case of the budget parties the philosophy is the more pussy the better as that will help improve the male to female ratios. There are exceptions of course and (very) occasionally I've seen a good looking female at a budget party.   

In case it’s not clear I should state I’ve no connection with Phoenix parties and the above thoughts are just my personal opinions. 

[wilfh]

Thanks for all your help guys one last question. The Phoenix runs 3 parties a day. Are the girls still as enthusiastic at the end of the last one as they are earlier on? Anyone have experience of the different times of the parties cheers.

[Steely Dan]

The first is the best.  Because they are fresh and energetic.  But not warmed up and saving it.
The second are the best.  They are warmed up, but not too tired. Very horny.  But sometimes a bit tired and might be saving a bit.
The third is the best.  They are warmed up, but so horny they want more.  And just go for it.  But sometimes perhaps they are tired and going through the motions.

I really have done all 3.  Sometimes more than 1 on a day.  All the above is true. So the answer is punt when it suits you.

[wilfh]

Cheers mate that’s great to know will do!

[Fredbone]

Not an issue, go to the event that suits you.

[pepsicolaboy]

Hi Gents

While your on the subject of London Parties, if anyone has any intel about these lot and if they will return, Id be appreciative

https://www.ukpunting.com/index.php?topic=185594

 

[wilfh]

Well guys I am trying to do my bit for the community here and so as I couldn't decide what to do last week I went to both the parties. I will review them in the next few days. Both fun but very different experiences as you all said in your comments

[BigBoi1955]

Thanks for all your help guys one last question. The Phoenix runs 3 parties a day. Are the girls still as enthusiastic at the end of the last one as they are earlier on? Anyone have experience of the different times of the parties cheers.

This has been asked and answered many times.
The answer is there is no overall difference. The girls are professionals and pace themselves based on the knowledge they will be working three parties. For any exception where the perception that first is better there will be ones who say last is better. You should choose what is best for you

[wilfh]

I went to the last will
Review later in the week and will review The London sex party too
Cheers